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    From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 10 09:37:26 2022
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    How the USB socket should have been designed - plug in either way up! This is obvious and I suggested it a decade ago.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232760099368

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Dec 10 13:09:41 2022
    XPost: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt, alt.comp.os-windows-11, alt.comp.os-windows-10
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 10/12/2022 09:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How the USB socket should have been designed - plug in either way up!
    This is obvious and I suggested it a decade ago.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232760099368

    Thanks.

    I've managed, so far, without one!

    --
    Kind regards,
    David

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Sat Dec 10 13:25:49 2022
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    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 13:09:41 -0000, David Brooks <David.is@home.now> wrote:

    On 10/12/2022 09:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How the USB socket should have been designed - plug in either way up!
    This is obvious and I suggested it a decade ago.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232760099368

    Thanks.

    I've managed, so far, without one!

    Do you seriously look inside the socket and plug every time you're about to plug something in to get it the right way round?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Sat Dec 10 14:52:08 2022
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    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 14:46:20 -0000, David Brooks <David.is@home.now> wrote:

    On 10/12/2022 13:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 13:09:41 -0000, David Brooks <David.is@home.now> wrote: >>
    On 10/12/2022 09:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How the USB socket should have been designed - plug in either way up!
    This is obvious and I suggested it a decade ago.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232760099368

    Thanks.

    I've managed, so far, without one!

    Do you seriously look inside the socket and plug every time you're about
    to plug something in to get it the right way round?

    Nooooo! I have a 50% chance of it being correct the first try. :-D

    If it doesn't fit, I reverse it and know with 100% certainty that it
    WILL work at that second attempt.

    Actually that's completely untrue. Firstly, Murphy's law shows it will be wrong 99% of the time the first time. Secondly, even if it was right, you'll be slightly off line, think it was wrong, rotate it, then still be wrong. It often takes me three
    goes to get it in. Ahem! Because it's so large.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Dec 10 14:46:20 2022
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    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 10/12/2022 13:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 13:09:41 -0000, David Brooks <David.is@home.now> wrote:

    On 10/12/2022 09:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How the USB socket should have been designed - plug in either way up!
    This is obvious and I suggested it a decade ago.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232760099368

    Thanks.

    I've managed, so far, without one!

    Do you seriously look inside the socket and plug every time you're about
    to plug something in to get it the right way round?

    Nooooo! I have a 50% chance of it being correct the first try. :-D

    If it doesn't fit, I reverse it and know with 100% certainty that it
    WILL work at that second attempt.

    --
    Kind regards,
    David

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  • From T i m@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Sat Dec 10 15:45:54 2022
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    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 10/12/2022 14:46, David Brooks wrote:

    <snip>

    Nooooo! I have a 50% chance of it being correct the first try. :-D

    If it doesn't fit, I reverse it and know with 100% certainty that it
    WILL work at that second attempt.

    Except when it turns out it's not actually a USB port but HDMI,
    DisplayPort, Ethernet, eSATA ... ;-)

    Cheers, T i m

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to T i m on Sat Dec 10 16:04:44 2022
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    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 15:45:54 -0000, T i m <individual@spaced.me.uk> wrote:

    On 10/12/2022 14:46, David Brooks wrote:

    <snip>

    Nooooo! I have a 50% chance of it being correct the first try. :-D

    If it doesn't fit, I reverse it and know with 100% certainty that it
    WILL work at that second attempt.

    Except when it turns out it's not actually a USB port but HDMI,
    DisplayPort, Ethernet, eSATA ... ;-)

    The worst is a USB plug into an ethernet socket. It fits easily, the sockets are often together, at the back of the machine where you can't see them, and the ethernet pins get snapped off. I've had to replace an ethernet socket for a neighbour who did
    so. Mind you, I've also had to replace the screen of her laptop when she stood on it. And explain to her why receiving £30 from her ISP the month before being charged £60 was still a 50% discount in the installation fee.

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  • From DK@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Dec 11 03:12:23 2022
    XPost: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt, alt.computer.workshop

    In article <op.1wyfood1mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    How the USB socket should have been designed - plug in either way up! This is
    obvious and I suggested it a decade ago.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232760099368

    The original USB port design has got to go in history as one
    of the most retarded designs ever. The person chiefly responsible
    for it is also responsible for the endless frustration of billions of
    human beings.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Dec 11 02:45:14 2022
    XPost: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt, alt.computer.workshop

    On 12/11/2022 2:23 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 03:12:23 -0000, DK <dk@no.email.thankstospam.net> wrote:

    In article <op.1wyfood1mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    How the USB socket should have been designed - plug in either way up!  This is
    obvious and I suggested it a decade ago.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232760099368

    The original USB port design has got to go in history as one
    of the most retarded designs ever. The person chiefly responsible
    for it is also responsible for the endless frustration of billions of
    human beings.

    Not only that, they don't last long.  I keep having to replace the sockets on my computer, as I plug quite a lot of devices in and out regularly.  I'd say if I plug something into a socket three times a day for three months, it's busted it.  Not very
    good really.  Kinda the same shit quality as USA power outlets.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware

    Standard USB has a minimum rated lifetime of 1,500 cycles
    mini-USB receptacle increases this to 5,000 cycles
    the newer Micro-USB[4] and USB-C receptacles are both designed for... 10,000 cycles

    Paul

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to dk@no.email.thankstospam.net on Sun Dec 11 07:23:14 2022
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    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 03:12:23 -0000, DK <dk@no.email.thankstospam.net> wrote:

    In article <op.1wyfood1mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    How the USB socket should have been designed - plug in either way up! This is
    obvious and I suggested it a decade ago.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232760099368

    The original USB port design has got to go in history as one
    of the most retarded designs ever. The person chiefly responsible
    for it is also responsible for the endless frustration of billions of
    human beings.

    Not only that, they don't last long. I keep having to replace the sockets on my computer, as I plug quite a lot of devices in and out regularly. I'd say if I plug something into a socket three times a day for three months, it's busted it. Not very
    good really. Kinda the same shit quality as USA power outlets.

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  • From marty@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Dec 11 19:46:39 2022
    XPost: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt, alt.computer.workshop

    On 11/12/22 18:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 03:12:23 -0000, DK <dk@no.email.thankstospam.net>
    wrote:

    In article <op.1wyfood1mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, "Commander Kinsey"
    <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    How the USB socket should have been designed - plug in either way
    up!  This is
    obvious and I suggested it a decade ago.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232760099368

    The original USB port design has got to go in history as one
    of the most retarded designs ever. The person chiefly responsible
    for it is also responsible for the endless frustration of billions of
    human beings.

    Not only that, they don't last long.  I keep having to replace the
    sockets on my computer, as I plug quite a lot of devices in and out regularly.  I'd say if I plug something into a socket three times a day
    for three months, it's busted it.  Not very good really.  Kinda the same shit quality as USA power outlets.
    Get a usb hub, much easier to replace.
    --
    Marty

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  • From Graham J@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Dec 11 08:44:19 2022
    XPost: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt, alt.computer.workshop

    Paul wrote:

    [snip]
    Not only that, they don't last long.  I keep having to replace the
    sockets on my computer, as I plug quite a lot of devices in and out
    regularly.  I'd say if I plug something into a socket three times a
    day for three months, it's busted it.  Not very good really.  Kinda
    the same shit quality as USA power outlets.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware

    Standard USB has a minimum rated lifetime of 1,500 cycles
    mini-USB receptacle increases this to 5,000 cycles
    the newer Micro-USB[4] and USB-C receptacles are both designed for...
    10,000 cycles

    That's got nothing to do with the real-life experience of actual users.

    The micro-receptacles on portable disks fail very quicklly. Typically
    such disks are used for daily backups so are connected and disconnected
    at least daily - sometimes more frequently. I've known several such
    disks fail within a year, and it is the connector that is the failure.


    --
    Graham J

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to marty on Sun Dec 11 10:26:26 2022
    XPost: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt, alt.computer.workshop

    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 08:46:39 -0000, marty <marty@invalid.net> wrote:

    On 11/12/22 18:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 03:12:23 -0000, DK <dk@no.email.thankstospam.net>
    wrote:

    In article <op.1wyfood1mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, "Commander Kinsey"
    <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    How the USB socket should have been designed - plug in either way
    up! This is
    obvious and I suggested it a decade ago.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232760099368

    The original USB port design has got to go in history as one
    of the most retarded designs ever. The person chiefly responsible
    for it is also responsible for the endless frustration of billions of
    human beings.

    Not only that, they don't last long. I keep having to replace the
    sockets on my computer, as I plug quite a lot of devices in and out
    regularly. I'd say if I plug something into a socket three times a day
    for three months, it's busted it. Not very good really. Kinda the same
    shit quality as USA power outlets.
    Get a usb hub, much easier to replace.

    Exactly what I did, as I started running short of working motherboard ones, I fitted an 8 way hub into a 5.25" drive bay on the front. Now that's wearing out.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Dec 11 10:25:38 2022
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    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 07:45:14 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 12/11/2022 2:23 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 03:12:23 -0000, DK <dk@no.email.thankstospam.net> wrote: >>
    In article <op.1wyfood1mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    How the USB socket should have been designed - plug in either way up! This is
    obvious and I suggested it a decade ago.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232760099368

    The original USB port design has got to go in history as one
    of the most retarded designs ever. The person chiefly responsible
    for it is also responsible for the endless frustration of billions of
    human beings.

    Not only that, they don't last long. I keep having to replace the sockets on my computer, as I plug quite a lot of devices in and out regularly. I'd say if I plug something into a socket three times a day for three months, it's busted it. Not very
    good really. Kinda the same shit quality as USA power outlets.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware

    Standard USB has a minimum rated lifetime of 1,500 cycles
    mini-USB receptacle increases this to 5,000 cycles
    the newer Micro-USB[4] and USB-C receptacles are both designed for... 10,000 cycles

    So I was getting 270 out of the 1500 expected. Anyway shouldn't plugs and sockets take about a million uses?

    And er, no way the little ones last longer. Phone ones wear out very quickly indeed.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Dec 11 12:55:03 2022
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    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 07:45:14 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 12/11/2022 2:23 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 03:12:23 -0000, DK <dk@no.email.thankstospam.net> wrote: >>
    In article <op.1wyfood1mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    How the USB socket should have been designed - plug in either way up! This is
    obvious and I suggested it a decade ago.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232760099368

    The original USB port design has got to go in history as one
    of the most retarded designs ever. The person chiefly responsible
    for it is also responsible for the endless frustration of billions of
    human beings.

    Not only that, they don't last long. I keep having to replace the sockets on my computer, as I plug quite a lot of devices in and out regularly. I'd say if I plug something into a socket three times a day for three months, it's busted it. Not very
    good really. Kinda the same shit quality as USA power outlets.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware

    Standard USB has a minimum rated lifetime of 1,500 cycles
    mini-USB receptacle increases this to 5,000 cycles
    the newer Micro-USB[4] and USB-C receptacles are both designed for... 10,000 cycles

    At least with Android phones, the weak part which wears out (the springy connections) is in the plug, so you just replace the charger lead. On Iphones, the bit that wears out is in the phone! Deliberate? I say yes.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to CK1@nospam.com on Sun Dec 11 08:00:27 2022
    XPost: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt, alt.computer.workshop

    In article <op.1w0jh11amvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
    <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    At least with Android phones, the weak part which wears out (the springy connections) is in the plug, so you just replace the charger lead. On Iphones, the bit that wears out is in the phone! Deliberate? I say yes.

    that is false.

    apple's lightning connectors are designed so that the the cable snaps,
    leaving the port intact. usb-c connectors will torque and likely damage
    the port, which usually will require a new phone.

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