• Ping ARW Re Linteq-50 led bars

    From Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 20 19:59:13 2024
    Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
    sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.

    I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
    fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
    a bit 'office'.

    I emailed Waitrose and they sent me these details -

    <snip> Edge Lighting and are from their Linteq range. Specifically the
    Linteq 50. The specification and their website contact details are below.

    https://edgelighting.co.uk/product/linteq-50/

    I haven't been able to find a price and they seem to have a lot
    more functionality than just normal lighting.

    Have you even fitted these, and what sort of price are they ?

    Regards

    Andrew

    PS I have a photo of the isle in question but my phone decided that
    there was too much light so it doesn't do justice to the effect.

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed Nov 20 21:26:41 2024
    On 20 Nov 2024 at 19:59:13 GMT, "Andrew" <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

    Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
    sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.

    I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
    fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
    a bit 'office'.

    I emailed Waitrose and they sent me these details -

    <snip> Edge Lighting and are from their Linteq range. Specifically the
    Linteq 50. The specification and their website contact details are below.

    https://edgelighting.co.uk/product/linteq-50/

    I haven't been able to find a price and they seem to have a lot
    more functionality than just normal lighting.

    Have you even fitted these, and what sort of price are they ?

    Regards

    Andrew

    PS I have a photo of the isle in question but my phone decided that
    there was too much light so it doesn't do justice to the effect.

    Last time I looked, Horsham is not an island. So I assume you meant aisle.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Thu Nov 21 12:51:37 2024
    On 20/11/2024 21:26, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 20 Nov 2024 at 19:59:13 GMT, "Andrew" <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

    Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
    sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.

    I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
    fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
    a bit 'office'.

    I emailed Waitrose and they sent me these details -

    <snip> Edge Lighting and are from their Linteq range. Specifically the
    Linteq 50. The specification and their website contact details are below.

    https://edgelighting.co.uk/product/linteq-50/

    I haven't been able to find a price and they seem to have a lot
    more functionality than just normal lighting.

    Have you even fitted these, and what sort of price are they ?

    Regards

    Andrew

    PS I have a photo of the isle in question but my phone decided that
    there was too much light so it doesn't do justice to the effect.

    Last time I looked, Horsham is not an island. So I assume you meant aisle.

    Yebbut 'everybody' knows that giant mutant sea dragons will encircle it
    and it will become one post Brexit and or climate change...


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  • From ARW@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu Nov 21 19:33:09 2024
    On 20/11/2024 19:59, Andrew wrote:
    Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
    sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.

    I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
    fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
    a bit 'office'.

    I emailed Waitrose and they sent me these details -

    <snip> Edge Lighting and are from their Linteq range. Specifically the
    Linteq 50. The specification and their website contact details are below.

    https://edgelighting.co.uk/product/linteq-50/

    I haven't been able to find a price and they seem to have a lot
    more functionality than just normal lighting.

    Have you even fitted these, and what sort of price are they ?

    Regards

    Andrew

    PS I have a photo of the isle in question but my phone decided that
    there was too much light so it doesn't do justice to the effect.

    Never fitted them. But they will cost a lot due to good CRI and dali dimming

    Try similar

    https://theledstore.co/index.php?_route_=commercial-office-lighting/suspended-linear-led-direct-indirect-black-40w&

    Putting Linteq-50 into Google and then click shopping brings up lots of
    similar things.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu Nov 21 19:57:28 2024
    On 20/11/2024 19:59, Andrew wrote:
    Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
    sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.

    I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
    fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
    a bit 'office'.


    If you prefer fluorescent tube type fittings consider batten lights.
    There are now some very slim and very bright varieties our there.


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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 22 14:16:21 2024
    On 21/11/2024 19:57, alan_m wrote:
    On 20/11/2024 19:59, Andrew wrote:
    Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
    sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.

    I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
    fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
    a bit 'office'.


    If you prefer fluorescent tube type fittings consider batten lights.
    There are now some very slim and very bright varieties our there.



    I like the ones in Horsham Waitrose because of their 'boxy'
    angular shape. The light is really fantastic.

    I'll probably end up with LED panels for cost reasons.
    For me, inset downlighters are just awful.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri Nov 22 16:08:35 2024
    Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On 21/11/2024 19:57, alan_m wrote:
    On 20/11/2024 19:59, Andrew wrote:
    Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
    sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.

    I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
    fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
    a bit 'office'.


    If you prefer fluorescent tube type fittings consider batten lights.
    There are now some very slim and very bright varieties our there.



    I like the ones in Horsham Waitrose because of their 'boxy'
    angular shape. The light is really fantastic.

    I'm quite impressed that Waitrose answered your question with useful information :)

    You could send Edge Lighting an email and ask how much for one? They don't appear to have distributors so it looks like you have to buy from them.

    I'll probably end up with LED panels for cost reasons.
    For me, inset downlighters are just awful.

    A lot of lights are based on LED tape these days. If you can find a
    suitable enclosure then you could just run some tape inside, and then a separate 12V/24V/etc driver (+/- dimmer).

    Theo

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri Nov 22 17:14:38 2024
    On 22/11/2024 14:16, Andrew wrote:
    On 21/11/2024 19:57, alan_m wrote:
    On 20/11/2024 19:59, Andrew wrote:
    Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
    sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.

    I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
    fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
    a bit 'office'.


    If you prefer fluorescent tube type fittings consider batten lights.
    There are now some very slim and very bright varieties our there.



    I like the ones in Horsham Waitrose because of their 'boxy'
    angular shape. The light is really fantastic.

    What about the spread of light if you are hanging them in a kitchen
    rather than from a warehouse where the height of the fittings may be 4+
    metres ?

    I'll probably end up with LED panels for cost reasons.
    For me, inset downlighters are just awful.

    Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid
    of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all. Watch some
    Youtube video and in house re-wires or renovations they are fitting
    dozens of them to provide little shanfts of light :)

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Theo on Fri Nov 22 17:24:16 2024
    On 22/11/2024 16:08, Theo wrote:

    A lot of lights are based on LED tape these days.

    A lot are also on some sort of flat panel metal substrate which acts as
    a heatsink and probably improves reliability.

    My experience with LED strip that uses double sided sticky tape for
    attachment is the that the sticky tape gives up after a while,
    especially for the higher power LED strips. If considering DIY also
    consider the aluminium channel with the tight fitting diffuser type lens
    cover to give both heat-sinking and some physical constraint when the
    glue starts failing.



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  • From fred@21:1/5 to Theo on Fri Nov 22 18:32:10 2024
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in news:pco*GSc0z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk:

    Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

    I like the ones in Horsham Waitrose because of their 'boxy'
    angular shape. The light is really fantastic.

    I'm quite impressed that Waitrose answered your question with useful information :)


    Yes, v impressive. Sometimes almost too helpful on the phone though.

    You could send Edge Lighting an email and ask how much for one? They
    don't appear to have distributors so it looks like you have to buy
    from them.

    I'll probably end up with LED panels for cost reasons.
    For me, inset downlighters are just awful.

    A lot of lights are based on LED tape these days. If you can find a
    suitable enclosure then you could just run some tape inside, and then
    a separate 12V/24V/etc driver (+/- dimmer).


    Yep, 10W/m with diffuse output is pretty common these days. I've just put
    some up in diffuse covered aluminium extrusion and it's very effective.
    Ideal for DIY enclosure construction. VTAC extrusions are very flimsy
    however and easily distort.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Theo on Fri Nov 22 19:04:17 2024
    Theo wrote:

    You could send Edge Lighting an email and ask how much for one? They don't appear to have distributors so it looks like you have to buy from them.

    Looking at the data sheet, and the number of options, it wouldn't
    surprise me if they're made-to-order ... £££

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Fri Nov 22 20:53:35 2024
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid
    of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all. Watch some
    Youtube video and in house re-wires or renovations they are fitting
    dozens of them to provide little shanfts of light :)

    I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen ceiling. Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops,
    which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were casting
    a deep shadow on what you were doing. Just resorted to using the strip
    lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch next to
    the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.

    Also, I hate that you have to cut holes in the ceiling which bust your insulation and fire protection.

    Theo

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Theo on Sat Nov 23 08:52:44 2024
    On 22/11/2024 20:53, Theo wrote:
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid
    of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all.

    I hate the things - and the damn holes they leave in ceilings when you
    want to replace them.

    I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen ceiling. Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops,
    which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were casting
    a deep shadow on what you were doing. Just resorted to using the strip lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch next to the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.

    Also, I hate that you have to cut holes in the ceiling which bust your insulation and fire protection.

    Does anyone like them? Were they just another thing dreamed up by
    designers without a thought given to their practicality?

    --
    Jeff

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Nov 23 11:44:40 2024
    On 23/11/2024 08:52, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 22/11/2024 20:53, Theo wrote:
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid
    of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all.

    I hate the things - and the damn holes they leave in ceilings when you
    want to replace them.

    I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen
    ceiling.  Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops,
    which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were
    casting
    a deep shadow on what you were doing.  Just resorted to using the strip
    lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch
    next to
    the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.

    Also, I hate that you have to cut holes in the ceiling which bust your
    insulation and fire protection.

    Does anyone like them? Were they just another thing dreamed up by
    designers without a thought given to their practicality?

    Well they were a fashionable look back in the noughties. I have loads.

    Kitchens and corridors and bathrooms only though.
    I dislike them in rest areas.

    After 20 years I haven't any strong feelings one way or another. They
    allow focussed pools of brightness in work areas. But the one bathroom
    that I fitted with a luminaire thing is just as well lit as the one
    with three spotlight downlighters

    In the end its all personal choice.

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sat Nov 23 13:22:54 2024
    On 23/11/2024 11:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 23/11/2024 08:52, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 22/11/2024 20:53, Theo wrote:
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid >>>> of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all.

    I hate the things - and the damn holes they leave in ceilings when you
    want to replace them.

    I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen
    ceiling.  Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops, >>> which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were
    casting
    a deep shadow on what you were doing.  Just resorted to using the strip >>> lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch
    next to
    the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.

    Also, I hate that you have to cut holes in the ceiling which bust your
    insulation and fire protection.

    Does anyone like them? Were they just another thing dreamed up by
    designers without a thought given to their practicality?

    Well they were a fashionable look back in the noughties. I have loads.

    Kitchens and corridors and bathrooms only though.
    I dislike them in rest areas.

    After 20 years I haven't any strong feelings one way or another. They
    allow focussed pools of brightness in work areas. But the one bathroom
    that I fitted with a luminaire thing is just as well lit as the one
    with three spotlight downlighters

    In the end its all personal choice.

    I think that the key word in your reply is "fashionable"... ;-)

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Nov 23 13:32:46 2024
    On 23/11/2024 13:22, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 23/11/2024 11:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 23/11/2024 08:52, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 22/11/2024 20:53, Theo wrote:
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid >>>>> of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all.

    I hate the things - and the damn holes they leave in ceilings when you
    want to replace them.

    I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen >>>> ceiling.  Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops, >>>> which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were
    casting
    a deep shadow on what you were doing.  Just resorted to using the strip >>>> lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch
    next to
    the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.

    Also, I hate that you have to cut holes in the ceiling which bust your >>>> insulation and fire protection.

    Does anyone like them? Were they just another thing dreamed up by
    designers without a thought given to their practicality?

    Well they were a fashionable look back in the noughties. I have loads.

    Kitchens and corridors and bathrooms only though.
    I dislike them in rest areas.

    After 20 years I haven't any strong feelings one way or another. They
    allow focussed pools of brightness in work areas. But the one bathroom
    that I fitted with  a luminaire thing is just as well lit as the one
    with three spotlight downlighters

    In the end its all personal choice.

    I think that the key word in your reply is "fashionable"...  ;-)


    Well yes, but just because something is fashionable doesn't *guarantee*
    it's utter crap.
    Just makes it fairly likely.

    A lot of spotlights evenly spread cam make a very even illumination.

    If that is what you want.

    A few well positioned can create useful pools of light in work areas.
    But it does lend a slightly 'industrial' air to the rooms.



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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Nov 23 13:56:36 2024
    On 23/11/2024 08:52, Jeff Layman wrote:

    I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen
    ceiling.  Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops,
    which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were
    casting
    a deep shadow on what you were doing.  Just resorted to using the strip
    lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch
    next to
    the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.
    Friends were renting a property where the kitchen had a beamed ceiling.
    What the owners had done for low voltage lighting was to use halogen
    bulbs that clipped onto two bare wires and where multiple lengths of
    wire had been installed close to the ceiling between the beams. The
    light output was s**te but to make matters worse the total rating of the
    bulbs was around 350W for a relatively small area.

    This was a house where fashion trumped reliability or common sense in
    other areas.



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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sat Nov 23 14:00:39 2024
    On 23/11/2024 13:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Well yes, but just because something is fashionable doesn't  *guarantee* it's utter crap.
    Just makes it fairly likely.


    What it does guarantee is that it will cost 4x more.


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 23 23:03:01 2024
    On 23/11/2024 14:00, alan_m wrote:
    On 23/11/2024 13:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Well yes, but just because something is fashionable doesn't
    *guarantee* it's utter crap.
    Just makes it fairly likely.


    What it does guarantee is that it will cost 4x more.


    I didn't find it that expensive. Certainly compared to 'artistic' uplighters

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  • From ARW@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Tue Nov 26 19:40:15 2024
    On 23/11/2024 08:52, Jeff Layman wrote:

    Does anyone like them? Were they just another thing dreamed up by
    designers without a thought given to their practicality?

    I dread to think how many of the fucking things I have fitted and so
    many in inappropriate locations because the customer wanted them.

    It has to be in the 10's of thousands I have fitted - maybe approaching
    100,000 or more.

    Christ it's only Tuesday night and I have first fixed for 22 downlights
    in two different properties already this week.

    One in on a vaulted ceiling and their soffits - they will look a right
    cunt and could have been done so much better with hidden LED strips.

    Still it pays for my bills so I'll keep fitting them.

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