I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could get
one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section)
and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points
(and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably).
Suggestions?

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I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over �30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could get
one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section)
and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points
(and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably). Suggestions?

Is this actually a vee-belt?

The dimensions make it look like a flat timing belt.

Here is a similar product sold by RS Components ( only used because I
am familiar with their search optons). Does your belt look like this?

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/timing-belts/0176252

This particular belt is out of stock until next March from RS.

A width of 6.7mm strikes me as odd because it is not a round metric
number or the equivalent of a round imperial unit. Allow for the
possibility of stretch in the length, and wear on the width.

John
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John wrote:

On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 21:34:47 +0000, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could get
one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section)
and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points
(and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably).
Suggestions?

Is this actually a vee-belt?

The dimensions make it look like a flat timing belt.

Here is a similar product sold by RS Components ( only used because I
am familiar with their search optons). Does your belt look like this?

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/timing-belts/0176252

This particular belt is out of stock until next March from RS.

A width of 6.7mm strikes me as odd because it is not a round metric
number or the equivalent of a round imperial unit. Allow for the
possibility of stretch in the length, and wear on the width.

John

Thanks for trying, but it's a poly-v belt. This shows the type of belt: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41+4u8HbDAL._AC_SL1000_.jpg

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No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could get
one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section)
and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points
(and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably). Suggestions?

Would an O ring do the job?

Years ago, a drive belt failed on our first uWave.

I replaced it with a O ring from the local plumbers merchant, all of 35p.
It lasted 5 years. I’d bought 2 so had a spare. The uWave went to the tip - still working - a few years later- as Senior Management wanted a new one
after I’d fitted a new kitchen. The old uWave had lasted 17 or so years.
The new one lasted 2 years.

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On 24/11/2024 11:33, No mail wrote:

John wrote:

On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 21:34:47 +0000, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could get
one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section)
and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points
(and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably).
Suggestions?

Is this actually a vee-belt?

The dimensions make it look like a flat timing belt.

Here is a similar product sold by RS Components ( only used because I
am familiar with their search optons). Does your belt look like this?

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/timing-belts/0176252

This particular belt is out of stock until next March from RS.

A width of 6.7mm strikes me as odd because it is not a round metric
number or the equivalent of a round imperial unit. Allow for the
possibility of stretch in the length, and wear on the width.

John

Thanks for trying, but it's a poly-v belt. This shows the type of belt: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41+4u8HbDAL._AC_SL1000_.jpg

Ah. These boys are big belters so to speak...

https://www.bearingshopuk.co.uk/belts?cat=121

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On 23/11/2024 21:34, No mail wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could get
one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section)
and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points
(and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably). Suggestions?

You have my sympathy. I know that parts are normally expensive compared
to the cost of the whole machine, but with Panasonic bread machines the differential seems to be completely absurd.

As an example, a new bread pan costs £107 plus postage, and I can buy a
new machine for £110.

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On 24/11/2024 14:25, GB wrote:

On 23/11/2024 21:34, No mail wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could
get one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section)
and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points
(and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably).
Suggestions?

You have my sympathy. I know that parts are normally expensive compared
to the cost of the whole machine, but with Panasonic bread machines the differential seems to be completely absurd.

As an example, a new bread pan costs £107 plus postage, and I can buy a
new machine for £110.

I've been using an idle half hour to research this. Is this a ribbed
belt or a multi-V belt? I mean are the pulleys toothed, or grooved?
Many grooved (serpentine?) belts can be sliced to width for example


--
The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about.

Anon.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 24/11/2024 14:25, GB wrote:

On 23/11/2024 21:34, No mail wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could
get one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section)
and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points
(and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably).
Suggestions?

You have my sympathy. I know that parts are normally expensive
compared to the cost of the whole machine, but with Panasonic bread
machines the differential seems to be completely absurd.

As an example, a new bread pan costs £107 plus postage, and I can buy
a new machine for £110.

I've been using an idle half hour to research this. Is this a ribbed
belt or a multi-V belt? I mean are the pulleys toothed, or grooved?
Many grooved (serpentine?) belts can be sliced to width for example

It's a poly-V belt, see earlier post for a link. Yes, they can be
reduced in width if the pitch is correct (H-section) but (obvs.) the
length has to be right. Thanks for looking. I'm still failing to find
anything suitable.

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On 24/11/2024 20:00, No mail wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 24/11/2024 14:25, GB wrote:

On 23/11/2024 21:34, No mail wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could
get one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H
section) and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4
high points (and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility,
presumably).
Suggestions?

You have my sympathy. I know that parts are normally expensive
compared to the cost of the whole machine, but with Panasonic bread
machines the differential seems to be completely absurd.

As an example, a new bread pan costs £107 plus postage, and I can buy
a new machine for £110.

I've been using an idle half hour to research this. Is this a ribbed
belt or a multi-V belt? I mean are the pulleys toothed, or grooved?
Many grooved (serpentine?) belts can be sliced to width for example

It's a poly-V belt, see earlier post for a link. Yes, they can be
reduced in width if the pitch is correct (H-section) but (obvs.) the
length has to be right. Thanks for looking. I'm still failing to find anything suitable.

Well all the search results for that belt seem to suggest that the belt
is actually a timing chain belt and the circumferential ribs are on the outside...I wouldn't use a V belt for a kneader myself. But I would use
a timing belt style one.

--
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and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them.
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of
one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 24/11/2024 20:00, No mail wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 24/11/2024 14:25, GB wrote:

On 23/11/2024 21:34, No mail wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could
get one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H
section) and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4
high points (and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility,
presumably).
Suggestions?

You have my sympathy. I know that parts are normally expensive
compared to the cost of the whole machine, but with Panasonic bread
machines the differential seems to be completely absurd.

As an example, a new bread pan costs £107 plus postage, and I can
buy a new machine for £110.

I've been using an idle half hour to research this. Is this a ribbed
belt or a multi-V belt? I mean are the pulleys toothed, or grooved?
Many grooved (serpentine?) belts can be sliced to width for example

It's a poly-V belt, see earlier post for a link. Yes, they can be
reduced in width if the pitch is correct (H-section) but (obvs.) the
length has to be right. Thanks for looking. I'm still failing to find
anything suitable.

Well all the search results for that belt seem to suggest that the belt
is actually a timing chain belt and the circumferential ribs are on the outside...I wouldn't use a V belt for a kneader myself. But I would use
a timing belt style one.

No, definitely a poly-V. The drive pulley has circumferential grooves to
match the belt and the slave pulley is plain (it's plastic, so 20 years
ago it may have had circumferential grooves too). There is no reason to synchronise the drive and slave shafts. The drive pulley is fairly small
so I suspect the belt's ribbed back is simply to improve life.
Given the condition of the pan and the age of the machine I think, with
regret, that it might be time to put it out to pasture.

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No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

No, definitely a poly-V. The drive pulley has circumferential grooves to match the belt and the slave pulley is plain (it's plastic, so 20 years
ago it may have had circumferential grooves too). There is no reason to synchronise the drive and slave shafts. The drive pulley is fairly small
so I suspect the belt's ribbed back is simply to improve life.

I suppose best you can do is find the traditional kind of motor factors that keeps parts on the shelf and ask if they have anything to match it. Maybe there's a water pump belt or something that matches.

(or ask at your local old-school garage, they maybe have a drawer of
spares for long-gone cars and can maybe have a rummage)

Given the condition of the pan and the age of the machine I think, with regret, that it might be time to put it out to pasture.

If the machine isn't particularly special, you can probably pick up a used machine for the price of a new belt, possibly in a better condition that the current one.

Don't throw good money after bad, in other words.

Theo

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No mail wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could get
one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section)
and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points
(and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably). Suggestions?

I suspect this was a "special" as belt suppliers don't have anything :-(

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On 27/11/2024 23:05, No mail wrote:

No mail wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could
get one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section)
and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points
(and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably).
Suggestions?

I suspect this was a "special" as belt suppliers don't have anything :-(

There's no way to take up a little slack in the belt?

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On Wed, 11/27/2024 6:05 PM, No mail wrote:

No mail wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a "genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could get one from a belts'n'bearings place for much

less.

It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section) and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points (and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably).
Suggestions?

I suspect this was a "special" as belt suppliers don't have anything :-(

Yes.

http://diy.torrens.org/HowTo/Panasonic.html

Paul

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GB wrote:

On 27/11/2024 23:05, No mail wrote:

No mail wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could
get one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section)
and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points
(and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably).
Suggestions?

I suspect this was a "special" as belt suppliers don't have anything :-(

There's no way to take up a little slack in the belt?

The problem is that the belt is damaged because the paddle became jammed
so the motor pulley spun against the belt for some time. It hasn't
broken, but it's very thin for a short distance. I've made it work by
adding several bands to the wheel, but it isn't going to last long. A
new machine is in the post.

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Paul wrote:

On Wed, 11/27/2024 6:05 PM, No mail wrote:

No mail wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a "genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could get one from a belts'n'bearings place for much

less.

It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H section) and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4 high points (and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility, presumably).
Suggestions?

I suspect this was a "special" as belt suppliers don't have anything :-(

Yes.

http://diy.torrens.org/HowTo/Panasonic.html

Paul

Aha! "Great minds think alike", as they say. I added several rubber
bands to the wheel to get the thing going, but the belt is badly damaged
and won't last long. A new machine is in the post.

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On 28/11/2024 09:49, No mail wrote:

GB wrote:

On 27/11/2024 23:05, No mail wrote:

No mail wrote:

I need to find a new drive belt for my ancient and trusty Panasonic
SD-206 bread maker. The usual places are charging over £30 for a
"genuine" part, but if I knew how they were spec'd I'm sure I could
get one from a belts'n'bearings place for much less.
It has a v pitch of 1.6mm (which I think means it's called H
section) and is 440mm long. It's 2.5mm thick, 6.7mm wide and has 4
high points (and 3 valleys). The back is ribbed (for flexibility,
presumably).
Suggestions?

I suspect this was a "special" as belt suppliers don't have anything :-(

There's no way to take up a little slack in the belt?

The problem is that the belt is damaged because the paddle became jammed
so the motor pulley spun against the belt for some time. It hasn't
broken, but it's very thin for a short distance. I've made it work by
adding several bands to the wheel, but it isn't going to last long. A
new machine is in the post.

I was thinking you might get a belt a few mm longer, but these machines
do an excellent job, and I'm sure you'll be happy with your new one.

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