• Product name, generic or trade name

    From N_Cook@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 30 13:36:09 2024
    Hessian sackcloth material impregnated with perhaps clay and something goey/sticky and never setting.
    Decades ago I remember as it being green, wrapped around the likes of
    broken guttering downpipes etc , sealing from leaks.
    Last week it was used by Southern Water contractors doing a temporary
    bodge "sticking plaster" repair of a 5 inch cast iron mains water supply
    pipe, brown in colour for theirs (pipe 3.5 inches internal diameter, surprisingly to me, 3/4 inch wall thickness).
    Then an axially split cylinder clamped over the pipe and cloth wrapping.
    Oddly the later crew with pipe saw cutting kit and butt jointing in with plastic pipe , lamely wrapped the same cloth material around the clamps
    on the outside (perhaps to stop prying eyes seeing what the
    clamps/joints were like).
    Present use is for houses locally in flood prone area, often with known
    failed property flood protection measure failures, on likes of flood barriers,gates, self-closing airbricks etc, before proper remedial
    measures get done.
    Also for future unknown problems only emerging in a flood , but will
    stick to grubby and wet external surfaces when already under water
    perhaps, even if bags of garden soil or a sandbag is needed to press and
    keep in place this sticky cloth tape to brick or wood surfaces, as not
    wrapping around pipes in this case.
    I'm assuming there is no modern wonder material can do this or the water company bods would be using it.
    --
    Global sea level rise to 2100 from curve-fitted existing altimetry data <http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to vif4bn$1ojjr$1@dont-email.me on Sat Nov 30 13:45:22 2024
    On 30/11/2024 in message <vif4bn$1ojjr$1@dont-email.me> N_Cook wrote:

    Hessian sackcloth material impregnated with perhaps clay and something >goey/sticky and never setting.
    Decades ago I remember as it being green, wrapped around the likes of
    broken guttering downpipes etc , sealing from leaks.
    Last week it was used by Southern Water contractors doing a temporary
    bodge "sticking plaster" repair of a 5 inch cast iron mains water supply >pipe, brown in colour for theirs (pipe 3.5 inches internal diameter, >surprisingly to me, 3/4 inch wall thickness).
    Then an axially split cylinder clamped over the pipe and cloth wrapping. >Oddly the later crew with pipe saw cutting kit and butt jointing in with >plastic pipe , lamely wrapped the same cloth material around the clamps on >the outside (perhaps to stop prying eyes seeing what the clamps/joints
    were like).
    Present use is for houses locally in flood prone area, often with known >failed property flood protection measure failures, on likes of flood >barriers,gates, self-closing airbricks etc, before proper remedial
    measures get done.
    Also for future unknown problems only emerging in a flood , but will stick
    to grubby and wet external surfaces when already under water perhaps, even
    if bags of garden soil or a sandbag is needed to press and keep in place
    this sticky cloth tape to brick or wood surfaces, as not wrapping around >pipes in this case.
    I'm assuming there is no modern wonder material can do this or the water >company bods would be using it.

    I can't remember the name but I can smell it from your description! I
    remember it being more yellow in colour but it would be 60 years ago.

    Please somebody come up with a name so I can sleep tonight!

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his friends for his
    life.
    (Jeremy Thorpe, 1962)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From fred@21:1/5 to diverse@tcp.co.uk on Sat Nov 30 14:08:29 2024
    N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in news:vif4bn$1ojjr$1@dont-email.me:

    Hessian sackcloth material impregnated with perhaps clay and something goey/sticky and never setting.
    Decades ago I remember as it being green, wrapped around the likes of
    broken guttering downpipes etc , sealing from leaks.
    Last week it was used by Southern Water contractors doing a temporary
    bodge "sticking plaster" repair of a 5 inch cast iron mains water
    supply
    pipe, brown in colour for theirs (pipe 3.5 inches internal diameter, surprisingly to me, 3/4 inch wall thickness).
    Then an axially split cylinder clamped over the pipe and cloth
    wrapping.
    Oddly the later crew with pipe saw cutting kit and butt jointing in
    with
    plastic pipe , lamely wrapped the same cloth material around the clamps
    on the outside (perhaps to stop prying eyes seeing what the
    clamps/joints were like).
    Present use is for houses locally in flood prone area, often with known failed property flood protection measure failures, on likes of flood barriers,gates, self-closing airbricks etc, before proper remedial
    measures get done.
    Also for future unknown problems only emerging in a flood , but will
    stick to grubby and wet external surfaces when already under water
    perhaps, even if bags of garden soil or a sandbag is needed to press
    and
    keep in place this sticky cloth tape to brick or wood surfaces, as not wrapping around pipes in this case.
    I'm assuming there is no modern wonder material can do this or the
    water
    company bods would be using it.

    Denso or Sylglas by brand name, searches for mastic, repair or
    waterproofing tape may find a generic. Generics used to be available at
    Toolst or Sfx but can't see any there just now.

    Evil stuff though, be sure to wear a pair of expendable gloves when
    using. Don't expect it to come off cleanly from any surface applied to.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 30 14:23:30 2024
    N_Cook wrote:

    Hessian sackcloth material impregnated with perhaps clay and something goey/sticky and never setting.
    Denso wrap?

    I presume they made/make several variations?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From N_Cook@21:1/5 to fred on Sat Nov 30 15:20:55 2024
    On 30/11/2024 14:08, fred wrote:
    Denso or Sylglas by brand name

    Yes that looks like the stuff.
    Smell and touch would be the real test, as the www product details don't
    go into detail of its constituents

    --
    Global sea level rise to 2100 from curve-fitted existing altimetry data <http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 30 16:37:22 2024
    On 30/11/2024 13:36, N_Cook wrote:
    Hessian sackcloth material impregnated with perhaps clay and something goey/sticky and never setting.
    Decades ago I remember as it being green, wrapped around the likes of
    broken guttering downpipes etc , sealing from leaks.
    Last week it was used by Southern Water contractors doing a temporary
    bodge "sticking plaster" repair of a 5 inch cast iron mains water supply pipe, brown in colour for theirs (pipe 3.5 inches internal diameter, surprisingly to me, 3/4 inch wall thickness).
    Then an axially split cylinder clamped over the pipe and cloth wrapping. Oddly the later crew with pipe saw cutting kit and butt jointing in with plastic pipe , lamely wrapped the same cloth material around the clamps
    on the outside (perhaps to stop prying eyes seeing what the clamps/
    joints were like).
    Present use is for houses locally in flood prone area, often with known failed property flood protection measure failures, on likes of flood barriers,gates, self-closing airbricks etc, before proper remedial
    measures get done.
    Also for future unknown problems only emerging in a flood , but will
    stick to grubby and wet external surfaces when already under water
    perhaps, even if bags of garden soil or a sandbag is needed to press and
    keep in place this sticky cloth tape to brick or wood surfaces, as not wrapping around pipes in this case.
    I'm assuming there is no modern wonder material can do this or the water company bods would be using it.


    Denso tape??

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 30 18:36:22 2024
    On 30/11/2024 13:36, N_Cook wrote:
    Hessian sackcloth material impregnated with perhaps clay and something goey/sticky and never setting.
    Decades ago I remember as it being green, wrapped around the likes of
    broken guttering downpipes etc , sealing from leaks.

    Sylglas?


    company bods would be using it.

    --
    For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
    wrong.

    H.L.Mencken

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From N_Cook@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 30 21:11:08 2024
    On 30/11/2024 15:20, N_Cook wrote:
    On 30/11/2024 14:08, fred wrote:
    Denso or Sylglas by brand name

    Yes that looks like the stuff.
    Smell and touch would be the real test, as the www product details don't
    go into detail of its constituents

    So a generic name might be petrolatum tape.
    As an experiment tomorrow, as I have sackcloth, clay and petroleum jelly
    laying around , I'll try mixing together but I suspect the real stuff
    has something more sticky in there,ignoring any anti-corossion stuff
    that must also be in there.


    --
    Global sea level rise to 2100 from curve-fitted existing altimetry data <http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 1 11:33:49 2024
    On 30/11/2024 21:11, N_Cook wrote:
    On 30/11/2024 15:20, N_Cook wrote:
    On 30/11/2024 14:08, fred wrote:
    Denso or Sylglas by brand name

    Yes that looks like the stuff.
    Smell and touch would be the real test, as the www product details don't
    go into detail of its constituents

    So a generic name might be petrolatum tape.
    As an experiment tomorrow, as I have sackcloth, clay and petroleum jelly laying around , I'll try mixing together but I suspect the real stuff
    has something more sticky in there,ignoring any anti-corossion stuff
    that must also be in there.

    From memory petroleum jelly wont cut the mustard. It is sort of a cold poultice. More like putty or plumbers mait, perhaps



    --
    “Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,”

    – Ludwig von Mises

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From N_Cook@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 1 12:52:21 2024
    On 30/11/2024 21:11, N_Cook wrote:
    On 30/11/2024 15:20, N_Cook wrote:
    On 30/11/2024 14:08, fred wrote:
    Denso or Sylglas by brand name

    Yes that looks like the stuff.
    Smell and touch would be the real test, as the www product details don't
    go into detail of its constituents

    So a generic name might be petrolatum tape.
    As an experiment tomorrow, as I have sackcloth, clay and petroleum jelly laying around , I'll try mixing together but I suspect the real stuff
    has something more sticky in there,ignoring any anti-corossion stuff
    that must also be in there.



    Experiment completed.
    4 level teaspoons of dry powdered clay and 4 level teaspoons of
    petroleum jelly. Mixed with a handhelld food mixer. Strip of hessian
    laid on plastic sheet. Wearing nitrile gloves spread the mix onto the
    hessian, turned over and repeated on the other side. Enough mix for 50 x
    5cm easily.
    I found in the shed what I knew as flashing tape but the box said
    sylglas waterproofing tape, aluminium on one side , plastic removable
    film on the other and treacley looking stuff in between, no hessian.
    Decimal price of 1.46 GBP and Transatlantic Plastics on the shop label
    dates it probably back 40 years.
    With a bit of wet flat pine wood, both samples stuck well enough to the
    wood, dunking in water, both remained sticking, short term anyway.
    For a wet brick neither stuck particularly well, and dunking in water
    the sylglas stayed and mine floated off. So a sandbag or something
    pressed against would be required. I assume , if no great pressure of
    water my petrolatum tape would not pass water through.


    --
    Global sea level rise to 2100 from curve-fitted existing altimetry data <http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From N_Cook@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Dec 3 10:27:10 2024
    On 01/12/2024 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 30/11/2024 21:11, N_Cook wrote:
    On 30/11/2024 15:20, N_Cook wrote:
    On 30/11/2024 14:08, fred wrote:
    Denso or Sylglas by brand name

    Yes that looks like the stuff.
    Smell and touch would be the real test, as the www product details don't >>> go into detail of its constituents

    So a generic name might be petrolatum tape.
    As an experiment tomorrow, as I have sackcloth, clay and petroleum
    jelly laying around , I'll try mixing together but I suspect the real
    stuff has something more sticky in there,ignoring any anti-corossion
    stuff that must also be in there.

    From memory petroleum jelly wont cut the mustard. It is sort of a cold poultice. More like putty or plumbers mait, perhaps

    Both local to me suppliers Toolstation and City Plumbing called it petro
    tape.
    I tried another DIY version, equal parts, powdered clay, petroleum
    jelly, plumber's mait, linseed oil onto hessian.
    Wet wood, both stuck to it and then mounted vertical under water both
    stuck but DIY not so firmly.
    With brick fresh from a bucket of water, neither stuck too well.
    Letting brick dry back to damp overnight, both stuck to it.
    Vertical in water, DIY floated off in 10 mins and commercial was still
    just about clinging on an hour later, ie would not survive the swash
    from that green tractor recently in Pontypridd.

    --
    Global sea level rise to 2100 from curve-fitted existing altimetry data <http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)