Having finally(!!) nearly finished work on the sitting room I want to
avoid having cables from the AV amp to the rear speakers. I'd appreciate >comments (good/bad) about any of the wireless adapters that seem to be >available.
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr368pF6e8sU1@mid.individual.net> No mail wrote:
Having finally(!!) nearly finished work on the sitting room I want to
avoid having cables from the AV amp to the rear speakers. I'd
appreciate comments (good/bad) about any of the wireless adapters that
seem to be available.
Not Bluetooth, its latency is a disaster. My Jelly Comb headphones are
good and seem to use the 2.4 GHz band (unregulated I guess, used for
WiFi) so something that works in a similar way.
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr368pF6e8sU1@mid.individual.net> No mail wrote:
Having finally(!!) nearly finished work on the sitting room I want to
avoid having cables from the AV amp to the rear speakers. I'd
appreciate comments (good/bad) about any of the wireless adapters that
seem to be available.
Not Bluetooth, its latency is a disaster. My Jelly Comb headphones are
good and seem to use the 2.4 GHz band (unregulated I guess, used for
WiFi) so something that works in a similar way.
On 01/12/2024 13:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr368pF6e8sU1@mid.individual.net> No mail
wrote:
Having finally(!!) nearly finished work on the sitting room I want to
avoid having cables from the AV amp to the rear speakers. I'd
appreciate comments (good/bad) about any of the wireless adapters
that seem to be available.
Not Bluetooth, its latency is a disaster. My Jelly Comb headphones are
good and seem to use the 2.4 GHz band (unregulated I guess, used for
WiFi) so something that works in a similar way.
Most AV amps allow you you to adjust the delays to each channel to help
tune out variations in room size and seating position. So they can also
help compensate for other delays.
(not that I would use BT either for that application - I put my rear
speaker cables under the floor)
On 01/12/2024 13:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr368pF6e8sU1@mid.individual.net> No mail wrote:
Having finally(!!) nearly finished work on the sitting room I want to >>>avoid having cables from the AV amp to the rear speakers. I'd appreciate >>>comments (good/bad) about any of the wireless adapters that seem to be >>>available.
Not Bluetooth, its latency is a disaster. My Jelly Comb headphones are
good and seem to use the 2.4 GHz band (unregulated I guess, used for
WiFi) so something that works in a similar way.
Does the latency matter that much for rear speakers? You most notice
latency when watching someone speaking (lip sync) and on a surround system >speech should be coming from the front direction. The back speakers are
more for atmosphere audio.
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr37suF6k84U1@mid.individual.net> alan_m wrote:
On 01/12/2024 13:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr368pF6e8sU1@mid.individual.net> No mail
wrote:
Having finally(!!) nearly finished work on the sitting room I want
to avoid having cables from the AV amp to the rear speakers. I'd
appreciate comments (good/bad) about any of the wireless adapters
that seem to be available.
Not Bluetooth, its latency is a disaster. My Jelly Comb headphones
are good and seem to use the 2.4 GHz band (unregulated I guess, used
for WiFi) so something that works in a similar way.
Does the latency matter that much for rear speakers? You most notice
latency when watching someone speaking (lip sync) and on a surround
system speech should be coming from the front direction. The back
speakers are more for atmosphere audio.
I suppose it depends on what the sound is, bit disconcerting if somebody drops something behind you and the thump is heard a while after it is dropped!
I put my rear speaker cables under the floor)Putting cables under the floor isn't an option for this room, and I
wouldn't be allowed to run trunking.
In message <lr3ij1F8b6hU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:52:49 on Sun, 1 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:It has a large Persian(?) carpet, but the floor is rather elegant 30s "parquetry" so I'm going to restore it to its former glory and replace
I put my rear speaker cables under the floor)Putting cables under the floor isn't an option for this room, and I
wouldn't be allowed to run trunking.
Does it have carpet, in which case flat cables are available.
On 01/12/2024 17:54, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr37suF6k84U1@mid.individual.net> alan_m wrote:
On 01/12/2024 13:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr368pF6e8sU1@mid.individual.net> No mail >>>>wrote:
Having finally(!!) nearly finished work on the sitting room I want to >>>>>avoid having cables from the AV amp to the rear speakers. I'd appreciate >>>>>comments (good/bad) about any of the wireless adapters that seem to be >>>>>available.
Not Bluetooth, its latency is a disaster. My Jelly Comb headphones are >>>>good and seem to use the 2.4 GHz band (unregulated I guess, used for >>>>WiFi) so something that works in a similar way.
Does the latency matter that much for rear speakers? You most notice >>>latency when watching someone speaking (lip sync) and on a surround >>>system speech should be coming from the front direction. The back >>>speakers are more for atmosphere audio.
I suppose it depends on what the sound is, bit disconcerting if somebody >>drops something behind you and the thump is heard a while after it is >>dropped!
If you get a sound effect like that it's off camera. You don't see
something dropped behind you.
On 01/12/2024 20:38, No mail wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr3ij1F8b6hU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:52:49 on Sun, 1It has a large Persian(?) carpet, but the floor is rather elegant 30s
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
I put my rear speaker cables under the floor)Putting cables under the floor isn't an option for this room, and I
wouldn't be allowed to run trunking.
Does it have carpet, in which case flat cables are available.
"parquetry"Â so I'm going to restore it to its former glory and
replace the carpet with something much smaller.
If there is a skirting board you could rout a channel in the wood and
embed the cables in that.
John
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr3ij1F8b6hU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:52:49 on Sun, 1
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
I put my rear speaker cables under the floor)Putting cables under the floor isn't an option for this room, and I >>>wouldn't be allowed to run trunking.
Does it have carpet, in which case flat cables are available.
It has a large Persian(?) carpet, but the floor is rather elegant 30s >"parquetry" so I'm going to restore it to its former glory and replace
the carpet with something much smaller.
John R Walliker wrote:
On 01/12/2024 20:38, No mail wrote:We've just finished decorating so I don't think that would go down too well ;-) - and there's a doorway en-route.
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr3ij1F8b6hU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:52:49 on Sun, 1 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:It has a large Persian(?) carpet, but the floor is rather elegant 30s "parquetry"Â so I'm going to restore it to its former glory and replace the carpet with something much smaller.
I put my rear speaker cables under the floor)Putting cables under the floor isn't an option for this room, and I wouldn't be allowed to run trunking.
Does it have carpet, in which case flat cables are available.
If there is a skirting board you could rout a channel in the wood and
embed the cables in that.
John
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr3ij1F8b6hU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:52:49 on Sun, 1It has a large Persian(?) carpet, but the floor is rather elegant 30s "parquetry"Â so I'm going to restore it to its former glory and replace
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
I put my rear speaker cables under the floor)Putting cables under the floor isn't an option for this room, and I
wouldn't be allowed to run trunking.
Does it have carpet, in which case flat cables are available.
the carpet with something much smaller.
On 01/12/2024 20:38, No mail wrote:We've just finished decorating the room - SWMBA would not be impressed
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr3ij1F8b6hU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:52:49 on Sun, 1It has a large Persian(?) carpet, but the floor is rather elegant 30s
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
I put my rear speaker cables under the floor)Putting cables under the floor isn't an option for this room, and I
wouldn't be allowed to run trunking.
Does it have carpet, in which case flat cables are available.
"parquetry"Â so I'm going to restore it to its former glory and
replace the carpet with something much smaller.
I managed to run some cables around the ege of my floor and through the
walls a bit.
It is work, but you can hide cables.
Is there any skirting you can remove, back groove and replace?
For doors remove the framing and do similar
Or go up the walls and run above ceiling?
Or spend 50 quid..
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Transmitter-Receiver-distance-transmission/dp/B0CHFH73R2
In message <lr3vpbFadebU1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:38:03 on Sun, 1 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr3ij1F8b6hU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:52:49 on Sun, 1
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
I put my rear speaker cables under the floor)Putting cables under the floor isn't an option for this room, and I
wouldn't be allowed to run trunking.
 Does it have carpet, in which case flat cables are available.
It has a large Persian(?) carpet, but the floor is rather elegant 30s
"parquetry"Â so I'm going to restore it to its former glory and
replace the carpet with something much smaller.
Another option is to run the flat cable along the wall above the
skirting board, and then re-paint or re-wallpaper.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/12/2024 20:38, No mail wrote:We've just finished decorating the room - SWMBA would not be impressed
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr3ij1F8b6hU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:52:49 on Sun, 1It has a large Persian(?) carpet, but the floor is rather elegant 30s
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
I put my rear speaker cables under the floor)Putting cables under the floor isn't an option for this room, and I
wouldn't be allowed to run trunking.
Does it have carpet, in which case flat cables are available.
"parquetry"Â so I'm going to restore it to its former glory and
replace the carpet with something much smaller.
I managed to run some cables around the ege of my floor and through
the walls a bit.
It is work, but you can hide cables.
Is there any skirting you can remove, back groove and replace?
For doors remove the framing and do similar
Or go up the walls and run above ceiling?
with holes in the wall.
Yes, there are several similar systems (that one is for active speakers)
Or spend 50 quid..
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Transmitter-Receiver-distance-transmission/dp/B0CHFH73R2
and I was hoping for some comments from people who'd tried them
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr3vpbFadebU1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:38:03 on Sun, 1
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:Another option is to run the flat cable along the wall above the
In message <lr3ij1F8b6hU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:52:49 on Sun,
1 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
I put my rear speaker cables under the floor)Putting cables under the floor isn't an option for this room, and
I wouldn't be allowed to run trunking.
Does it have carpet, in which case flat cables are available.
It has a large Persian(?) carpet, but the floor is rather elegant
30s "parquetry" so I'm going to restore it to its former glory and >>>replace the carpet with something much smaller.
skirting board, and then re-paint or re-wallpaper.
True, but I doubt that would look good or that it would stay stuck to
the wall.
Going round a doorway involves a bend in the "awkward" plane of the
cable.
Is there any skirting you can remove, back groove and replace?
For doors remove the framing and do similar
Or go up the walls and run above ceiling?
We've just finished decorating the room - SWMBA would not be impressed
with holes in the wall.
In message <lr5olrFj1k1U1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:48:59 on Mon, 2 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:The "thinking ahead" was a plan to use wireless (that's why I started
Is there any skirting you can remove, back groove and replace?
For doors remove the framing and do similar
 Or go up the walls and run above ceiling?
We've just finished decorating the room - SWMBA would not be impressed
with holes in the wall.
Sounds like a situation where a little "thinking ahead" would have
avoided the conundrum you are in.
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr5olrFj1k1U1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:48:59 on Mon, 2
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Is there any skirting you can remove, back groove and replace?
For doors remove the framing and do similar
Or go up the walls and run above ceiling?
We've just finished decorating the room - SWMBA would not be
impressed with holes in the wall.
Sounds like a situation where a little "thinking ahead" would have >>avoided the conundrum you are in.
The "thinking ahead" was a plan to use wireless (that's why I started
this topic) because hiding cables is problematic in a large room with a
floor and architrave that can't be disturbed. I *could* have cut chases
to the ceiling but there are two bedrooms above so that would have
involved emptying both bedrooms to lift the carpets and enough boards
to get the cables from source to destination. Removing the skirting
might have been an option but the door and damage to the (lime) plaster
put me off that. I could go on.
Reviews of wireless audio systems are mixed, hence my question asking
for reports from practical experience of them.
In message <lr64j8Fkt8sU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:12:24 on Mon, 2 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:It wouldn't pass SWMBAs aesthetic review, and a tech review might think
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr5olrFj1k1U1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:48:59 on Mon, 2
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Is there any skirting you can remove, back groove and replace?
For doors remove the framing and do similar
 Or go up the walls and run above ceiling?
We've just finished decorating the room - SWMBA would not be
impressed with holes in the wall.
 Sounds like a situation where a little "thinking ahead" would have
avoided the conundrum you are in.
The "thinking ahead" was a plan to use wireless (that's why I started
this topic) because hiding cables is problematic in a large room with
a floor and architrave that can't be disturbed. I *could* have cut
chases to the ceiling but there are two bedrooms above so that would
have involved emptying both bedrooms to lift the carpets and enough
boards to get the cables from source to destination. Removing the
skirting might have been an option but the door and damage to the
(lime) plaster put me off that. I could go on.
So use the thin wiring on the walls (it's about as bulky as masking
tape) then paper/decorate over it.
Reviews of wireless audio systems are mixed, hence my question asking
for reports from practical experience of them.
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr64j8Fkt8sU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:12:24 on Mon, 2
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr5olrFj1k1U1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:48:59 on Mon,
2 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Is there any skirting you can remove, back groove and replace?
For doors remove the framing and do similar
Or go up the walls and run above ceiling?
We've just finished decorating the room - SWMBA would not be >>>>>impressed with holes in the wall.
Sounds like a situation where a little "thinking ahead" would have >>>>avoided the conundrum you are in.
The "thinking ahead" was a plan to use wireless (that's why I
started this topic) because hiding cables is problematic in a large
room with a floor and architrave that can't be disturbed. I *could*
have cut chases to the ceiling but there are two bedrooms above so
that would have involved emptying both bedrooms to lift the carpets
and enough boards to get the cables from source to destination.
Removing the skirting might have been an option but the door and
damage to the (lime) plaster put me off that. I could go on.
So use the thin wiring on the walls (it's about as bulky as masking
tape) then paper/decorate over it.
It wouldn't pass SWMBAs aesthetic review, and a tech review might think
it a bit dodgy too: 16 gauge, 17m (length of room + width of room +
up/down round a doorway) so 34m round trip ... about half an ohm. The
cost is non-trivial for that sort of length. Thanks, but no thanks.
Reviews of wireless audio systems are mixed, hence my question
asking for reports from practical experience of them.
In message <lr6isfFn5o6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:16:15 on Mon, 2 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:OK, a link would be useful
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr64j8Fkt8sU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:12:24 on Mon, 2
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr5olrFj1k1U1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:48:59 on Mon,
2 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Is there any skirting you can remove, back groove and replace?
For doors remove the framing and do similar
 Or go up the walls and run above ceiling?
We've just finished decorating the room - SWMBA would not be
impressed with holes in the wall.
 Sounds like a situation where a little "thinking ahead" would have >>>>> avoided the conundrum you are in.
The "thinking ahead" was a plan to use wireless (that's why I
started this topic) because hiding cables is problematic in a large
room with a floor and architrave that can't be disturbed. I *could*
have cut chases to the ceiling but there are two bedrooms above so
that would have involved emptying both bedrooms to lift the carpets
and enough boards to get the cables from source to destination.
Removing the skirting might have been an option but the door and
damage to the (lime) plaster put me off that. I could go on.
 So use the thin wiring on the walls (it's about as bulky as masking
tape) then paper/decorate over it.
It wouldn't pass SWMBAs aesthetic review, and a tech review might
think it a bit dodgy too: 16 gauge, 17m (length of room + width of
room + up/down round a doorway) so 34m round trip ... about half an
ohm. The cost is non-trivial for that sort of length. Thanks, but no
thanks.
I've suspected you don't understand the product I'm talking about. It's
a laminate and intended for mains wiring, but could also do speakers.
Should be invisible even if 'only' painted over.
Reviews of wireless audio systems are mixed, hence my question
asking for reports from practical experience of them.
In message <lr6isfFn5o6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:16:15 on Mon, 2 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
It wouldn't pass SWMBAs aesthetic review, and a tech review might
think it a bit dodgy too: 16 gauge, 17m (length of room + width of
room + up/down round a doorway) so 34m round trip ... about half an
ohm. The cost is non-trivial for that sort of length. Thanks, but no
thanks.
I've suspected you don't understand the product I'm talking about. It's
a laminate and intended for mains wiring, but could also do speakers.
Should be invisible even if 'only' painted over.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Amazon is reliable, If it does not work send it back
It's not sold by Amazon, it's on Marketplace, yes OK you can return
stuff, a quarter of reviews give it 3 stars or fewer.
Amazon is reliable, If it does not work send it back
I've suspected you don't understand the product I'm talking about. It's
a laminate and intended for mains wiring
On 03/12/2024 08:12, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr6isfFn5o6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:16:15 on Mon, 2
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
It wouldn't pass SWMBAs aesthetic review, and a tech review might
think it a bit dodgy too: 16 gauge, 17m (length of room + width of
room + up/down round a doorway) so 34m round trip ... about half an
ohm. The cost is non-trivial for that sort of length. Thanks, but no thanks.
I've suspected you don't understand the product I'm talking about.Mains can have quite a bit of resistance before its an issue, Speakers
It's a laminate and intended for mains wiring, but could also do
speakers. Should be invisible even if 'only' painted over.
should not have very much at all.
Roland Perry wrote:
I've suspected you don't understand the product I'm talking about.
It's a laminate and intended for mains wiring
Linky?
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr368pF6e8sU1@mid.individual.net> No mail wrote:
Having finally(!!) nearly finished work on the sitting room I want to
avoid having cables from the AV amp to the rear speakers. I'd
appreciate comments (good/bad) about any of the wireless adapters that
seem to be available.
Not Bluetooth, its latency is a disaster. My Jelly Comb headphones are
good and seem to use the 2.4 GHz band (unregulated I guess, used for
WiFi) so something that works in a similar way.
On 01/12/2024 17:54, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr37suF6k84U1@mid.individual.net> alan_m wrote:
On 01/12/2024 13:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr368pF6e8sU1@mid.individual.net> No mail
wrote:
Having finally(!!) nearly finished work on the sitting room I want
to avoid having cables from the AV amp to the rear speakers. I'd
appreciate comments (good/bad) about any of the wireless adapters
that seem to be available.
Not Bluetooth, its latency is a disaster. My Jelly Comb headphones
are good and seem to use the 2.4 GHz band (unregulated I guess, used
for WiFi) so something that works in a similar way.
Does the latency matter that much for rear speakers? You most notice
latency when watching someone speaking (lip sync) and on a surround
system speech should be coming from the front direction. The back
speakers are more for atmosphere audio.
I suppose it depends on what the sound is, bit disconcerting if
somebody drops something behind you and the thump is heard a while
after it is dropped!
If you get a sound effect like that it's off camera. You don't see
something dropped behind you.
A few years ago the BBC got something very wrong on one of their live
outside broadcasts, they swapped front L and R with back L and R
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr3o8gF96s0U1@mid.individual.net> alan_m wrote:
On 01/12/2024 17:54, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr37suF6k84U1@mid.individual.net> alan_m
wrote:
On 01/12/2024 13:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr368pF6e8sU1@mid.individual.net> No mail
wrote:
Having finally(!!) nearly finished work on the sitting room I
want to avoid having cables from the AV amp to the rear speakers. >>>>>> I'd  appreciate comments (good/bad) about any of the wireless
adapters that seem to be available.
Not Bluetooth, its latency is a disaster. My Jelly Comb headphones
are good and seem to use the 2.4 GHz band (unregulated I guess,
used for WiFi) so something that works in a similar way.
Does the latency matter that much for rear speakers? You most
notice latency when watching someone speaking (lip sync) and on a
surround system speech should be coming from the front direction.
The back speakers are more for atmosphere audio.
I suppose it depends on what the sound is, bit disconcerting if
somebody drops something behind you and the thump is heard a while
after it is dropped!
If you get a sound effect like that it's off camera. You don't see
something dropped behind you.
It doesn't really work like that, you're immersed in the centre of a
sound stage and aware of what is happening all round.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/12/2024 20:38, No mail wrote:We've just finished decorating the room - SWMBA would not be impressed
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr3ij1F8b6hU1@mid.individual.net>, at 16:52:49 on Sun, 1It has a large Persian(?) carpet, but the floor is rather elegant 30s
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
I put my rear speaker cables under the floor)Putting cables under the floor isn't an option for this room, and I
wouldn't be allowed to run trunking.
Does it have carpet, in which case flat cables are available.
"parquetry"Â so I'm going to restore it to its former glory and
replace the carpet with something much smaller.
I managed to run some cables around the ege of my floor and through
the walls a bit.
It is work, but you can hide cables.
Is there any skirting you can remove, back groove and replace?
For doors remove the framing and do similar
Or go up the walls and run above ceiling?
with holes in the wall.
Yes, there are several similar systems (that one is for active speakers)
Or spend 50 quid..
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Transmitter-Receiver-distance-
transmission/dp/B0CHFH73R2
In message <vimmg7$gck$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:28:23 on Tue, 3 Dec 2024,Please can you post a LINK to whatever you're discussing.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> remarked:
On 03/12/2024 08:12, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr6isfFn5o6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:16:15 on Mon, 2
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
It wouldn't pass SWMBAs aesthetic review, and a tech review might
think it a bit dodgy too: 16 gauge, 17m (length of room + width of
room + up/down round a doorway) so 34m round trip ... about half an
ohm. The cost is non-trivial for that sort of length. Thanks, but no
thanks.
 I've suspected you don't understand the product I'm talking about.Mains can have quite a bit of resistance before its an issue, Speakers
It's a laminate and intended for mains wiring, but could also do
speakers. Should be invisible even if 'only' painted over.
should not have very much at all.
Read the spec of the product in question, then come back.
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vimmg7$gck$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:28:23 on Tue, 3 DecPlease can you post a LINK to whatever you're discussing.
2024, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> remarked:
On 03/12/2024 08:12, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr6isfFn5o6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:16:15 on Mon, 2
Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
It wouldn't pass SWMBAs aesthetic review, and a tech review might
think it a bit dodgy too: 16 gauge, 17m (length of room + width of
room + up/down round a doorway) so 34m round trip ... about half an
ohm. The cost is non-trivial for that sort of length. Thanks, but
no thanks.
 I've suspected you don't understand the product I'm talking about.Mains can have quite a bit of resistance before its an issue,
It's a laminate and intended for mains wiring, but could also do
speakers. Should be invisible even if 'only' painted over.
Speakers should not have very much at all.
Read the spec of the product in question, then come back.
The concept of thin laminate, stuck to the wall and (apparently)
intended to carry mains, is surprising - the required insulation would
stop it from being described as "thin".
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vimmg7$gck$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:28:23 on Tue, 3 Dec
2024, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> remarked:
On 03/12/2024 08:12, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr6isfFn5o6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:16:15 on Mon,
2 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
It wouldn't pass SWMBAs aesthetic review, and a tech review might >>>>>think it a bit dodgy too: 16 gauge, 17m (length of room + width of >>>>>room + up/down round a doorway) so 34m round trip ... about half an >>>>>ohm. The cost is non-trivial for that sort of length. Thanks, but no thanks.
I've suspected you don't understand the product I'm talking about. >>>>It's a laminate and intended for mains wiring, but could also do >>>>speakers. Should be invisible even if 'only' painted over.Mains can have quite a bit of resistance before its an issue,
Speakers should not have very much at all.
Read the spec of the product in question, then come back.
Please can you post a LINK to whatever you're discussing.
The concept of thin laminate, stuck to the wall and (apparently)
intended to carry mains, is surprising - the required insulation would
stop it from being described as "thin".
On 04/12/2024 12:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/12/2024 10:07, No mail wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vimmg7$gck$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:28:23 on Tue, 3 DecPlease can you post a LINK to whatever you're discussing.
2024, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> remarked:
On 03/12/2024 08:12, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr6isfFn5o6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:16:15 on Mon, >>>>>> 2 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
It wouldn't pass SWMBAs aesthetic review, and a tech review might >>>>>>> think it a bit dodgy too: 16 gauge, 17m (length of room + width
of room + up/down round a doorway) so 34m round trip ... about
half an ohm. The cost is non-trivial for that sort of length.
Thanks, but no thanks.
 I've suspected you don't understand the product I'm talkingMains can have quite a bit of resistance before its an issue,
about. It's a laminate and intended for mains wiring, but could
also do speakers. Should be invisible even if 'only' painted over. >>>>>>
Speakers should not have very much at all.
Read the spec of the product in question, then come back.
The concept of thin laminate, stuck to the wall and (apparently)
intended to carry mains, is surprising - the required insulation
would stop it from being described as "thin".
And it would not meet specs for mains wiring to be double insulated if
it were thin
Here are two examples of very thin flat loudspeaker cable. They are only 0.05mm thick.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/FROGBRO-Insulated-Wall-Use-Conductors-Connectors-16-Gauge-25ft-2/dp/B08FQPVC35
https://www.amazon.co.uk/FROGBRO-Insulated-Wall-Use-Conductors-Connectors-23-Gauge-50ft-2/dp/B08FR2HT18
John
On 04/12/2024 12:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/12/2024 10:07, No mail wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vimmg7$gck$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:28:23 on Tue, 3 Dec >>>>2024, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> remarked:Please can you post a LINK to whatever you're discussing.
On 03/12/2024 08:12, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr6isfFn5o6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:16:15 on
Mon, 2 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
It wouldn't pass SWMBAs aesthetic review, and a tech review >>>>>>>might think it a bit dodgy too: 16 gauge, 17m (length of room + >>>>>>>width of room + up/down round a doorway) so 34m round trip ... >>>>>>>about half an ohm. The cost is non-trivial for that sort of >>>>>>>length. Thanks, but no thanks.
I've suspected you don't understand the product I'm talking >>>>>>about. It's a laminate and intended for mains wiring, but could >>>>>>also do speakers. Should be invisible even if 'only' painted over. >>>>>>Mains can have quite a bit of resistance before its an issue, >>>>>Speakers should not have very much at all.
Read the spec of the product in question, then come back.
The concept of thin laminate, stuck to the wall and (apparently) >>>intended to carry mains, is surprising - the required insulation
would stop it from being described as "thin".
And it would not meet specs for mains wiring to be double insulated
if it were thin
Here are two examples of very thin flat loudspeaker cable. They are only >0.05mm thick.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/FROGBRO-Insulated-Wall-Use-Conductors-Connector >s-16-Gauge-25ft-2/dp/B08FQPVC35
https://www.amazon.co.uk/FROGBRO-Insulated-Wall-Use-Conductors-Connector >s-23-Gauge-50ft-2/dp/B08FR2HT18
On 01/12/2024 in message <lr368pF6e8sU1@mid.individual.net> No mail wrote:
Having finally(!!) nearly finished work on the sitting room I want to
avoid having cables from the AV amp to the rear speakers. I'd appreciate
comments (good/bad) about any of the wireless adapters that seem to be
available.
Not Bluetooth, its latency is a disaster. My Jelly Comb headphones are
good and seem to use the 2.4 GHz band (unregulated I guess, used for WiFi)
so something that works in a similar way.
On 04/12/2024 13:34, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vipk2v$p503$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:05:35 on Wed, 4 Dec
2024, John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> remarked:
On 04/12/2024 12:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/12/2024 10:07, No mail wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vimmg7$gck$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:28:23 on Tue, 3 Dec >>>>>> 2024, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> remarked:Please can you post a LINK to whatever you're discussing.
On 03/12/2024 08:12, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr6isfFn5o6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:16:15 on
Mon, 2 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
It wouldn't pass SWMBAs aesthetic review, and a tech review
might think it a bit dodgy too: 16 gauge, 17m (length of room >>>>>>>>> + width of room + up/down round a doorway) so 34m round
trip ... about half an ohm. The cost is non-trivial for that >>>>>>>>> sort of length. Thanks, but no thanks.
 I've suspected you don't understand the product I'm talkingMains can have quite a bit of resistance before its an issue,
about. It's a laminate and intended for mains wiring, but
could also do speakers. Should be invisible even if 'only' >>>>>>>> painted over.
Speakers should not have very much at all.
Read the spec of the product in question, then come back.
The concept of thin laminate, stuck to the wall and (apparently)
intended to carry mains, is surprising - the required insulation
would stop it from being described as "thin".
 And it would not meet specs for mains wiring to be double insulated
if it were thin
Here are two examples of very thin flat loudspeaker cable. They are only >>> 0.05mm thick.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/FROGBRO-Insulated-Wall-Use-Conductors-Connector >>> s-16-Gauge-25ft-2/dp/B08FQPVC35
https://www.amazon.co.uk/FROGBRO-Insulated-Wall-Use-Conductors-Connector >>> s-23-Gauge-50ft-2/dp/B08FR2HT18
That's very similar, and even better (for the OP).
Yes, the OP has already calculated that the resistance of
16-guage (1mm^2 conductors will be around 0.5 ohm round-trip.
This is not going to have a significant effect on the sound
quality. If the speakers are 8 ohm then the sound level
will be reduced by about 0.5dB. If the impedance vs frequency
curve of the speakers is very lumpy there might be a fraction
of a dB change in the frequency response.
There will be no extra latency.
In other words, this product is perfect for the application
and will not have any material effect on the sound. It will
also be less obtrusive than any alternative solution that
requires extra boxes and power sources.
On 04/12/2024 14:26, John R Walliker wrote:
On 04/12/2024 13:34, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vipk2v$p503$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:05:35 on Wed, 4
Dec 2024, John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> remarked:
On 04/12/2024 12:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/12/2024 10:07, No mail wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vimmg7$gck$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:28:23 on Tue, 3Please can you post a LINK to whatever you're discussing.
Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
remarked:
On 03/12/2024 08:12, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <lr6isfFn5o6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:16:15
on Mon, 2 Dec 2024, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>> Roland Perry wrote:
It wouldn't pass SWMBAs aesthetic review, and a tech review >>>>>>>>> might think it a bit dodgy too: 16 gauge, 17m (length of >>>>>>>>> room
+ width of room + up/down round a doorway) so 34m round >>>>>>>>> trip ... about half an ohm. The cost is non-trivial for
that sort of length. Thanks, but no thanks.
 I've suspected you don't understand the product I'm talking >>>>>>>> about. It's a laminate and intended for mains wiring, but >>>>>>>> could also do speakers. Should be invisible even if 'only' >>>>>>>> painted over.Mains can have quite a bit of resistance before its an issue, >>>>>>> Speakers should not have very much at all.
Read the spec of the product in question, then come back.
The concept of thin laminate, stuck to the wall and
(apparently) intended to carry mains, is surprising - the
required insulation would stop it from being described as
"thin".
 And it would not meet specs for mains wiring to be double
insulated if it were thin
Here are two examples of very thin flat loudspeaker cable. They
are only 0.05mm thick.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/FROGBRO-Insulated-Wall-Use-Conductors-Connector >>> s-16-Gauge-25ft-2/dp/B08FQPVC35
https://www.amazon.co.uk/FROGBRO-Insulated-Wall-Use-Conductors-Connector >>> s-23-Gauge-50ft-2/dp/B08FR2HT18
That's very similar, and even better (for the OP).
Yes, the OP has already calculated that the resistance of
16-guage (1mm^2 conductors will be around 0.5 ohm round-trip.
This is not going to have a significant effect on the sound
quality. If the speakers are 8 ohm then the sound level
will be reduced by about 0.5dB. If the impedance vs frequency
curve of the speakers is very lumpy there might be a fraction
of a dB change in the frequency response.
There will be no extra latency.
In other words, this product is perfect for the application
and will not have any material effect on the sound. It will
also be less obtrusive than any alternative solution that
requires extra boxes and power sources.
Most decent AV amp have a calibration sequence mode using a
microphone to adjust volume levels after the speakers have been
installed. In my experience they also offer a manual adjustment for
each speaker.
I'm assuming that we are not in the territory of the £70 13A fuse
coated with snake oil fitted to a mains plug enhances the performance. https://www.russandrews.com/ultrafuse-13a-single/
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