• Re: My wireless mouse has a diesel engine...

    From Joe@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Wed Dec 4 11:49:17 2024
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:28:44 +0000
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Should I bin it?

    It takes a good 10 minutes for my mouse (Logitech M180) to come to
    life, I mean, the left click doesn't seem to work for the first 10
    minutes after I haven't used it for some time. Battery is ok, right
    click is ok.

    I blow some air into it... nothing. Then I leave it there for 10
    minutes and the left click comes back to life.


    Replace the left button. They don't last forever.

    --
    Joe

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Wed Dec 4 12:03:47 2024
    On 04/12/2024 in message <vipedc$r912$1@dont-email.me> Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    Should I bin it?

    It takes a good 10 minutes for my mouse (Logitech M180) to come to life, I >mean, the left click doesn't seem to work for the first 10 minutes after I >haven't used it for some time. Battery is ok, right click is ok.

    I blow some air into it... nothing. Then I leave it there for 10 minutes
    and the left click comes back to life.

    Left button is a frequent point of failure on my Microsoft Bluetooth
    mouse, it gets used a lot!

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Indecision is the key to flexibility

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 4 11:28:44 2024
    Should I bin it?

    It takes a good 10 minutes for my mouse (Logitech M180) to come to life,
    I mean, the left click doesn't seem to work for the first 10 minutes
    after I haven't used it for some time. Battery is ok, right click is ok.

    I blow some air into it... nothing. Then I leave it there for 10 minutes
    and the left click comes back to life.

    --
    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Wed Dec 4 07:40:04 2024
    On Wed, 12/4/2024 6:28 AM, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    Should I bin it?

    It takes a good 10 minutes for my mouse (Logitech M180) to come to life, I mean, the left click doesn't seem to work for the first 10 minutes after I haven't used it for some time. Battery is ok, right click is ok.

    I blow some air into it... nothing. Then I leave it there for 10 minutes and the left click comes back to life.


    You're in a DIY group, and you haven't taken it apart for a look ???

    With the old rubber ball mice, they needed constant cleaning of the
    rubber ball. Like, daily even.

    The optical mice, are pretty well impervious to fuzz over the
    bottom optics. However, the scroll wheel, the microswitches
    for the buttons, those collect fuzz (or sugar from coffee spills
    or Coke) and that can clog up the works.

    One failure mode I had, is enough fuzz collected under the plastic
    "panel" that is the button, to prevent the plunger on the microswitch
    from completely depressing into the switch casing. Simply cleaning
    out the fuzz, was sufficient to restore operation.

    The metal bits on a microswitch, the plastic "nub" on the panel,
    some of these things wear or lose their spring constant, and
    the switch failure is related to that. You cannot easily
    build up the nub on the button of the panel to make it work again.
    If you used epoxy (to make a nub), it would wear down in no time.
    And 3D printing... it's going to depend on whether you can get
    the right material for the job.

    And just for the record, they don't really have to design mice this
    way. The fuckers are just lazy. Some mouse designers are pretty good
    at their job. The mouse wheel can be removed for cleaning, the slots
    (optical interrupter) can easily be cleaned and so on. Then there
    are the other idiots, who have never taken apart the industry-leader
    mouse for a look, they put heavy metal plates on the side of the
    mouse wheel and they don't allow cleaning of the wheel.
    I could smack somebody...

    When disassembling a mouse, beware. As some mice have an excess of
    really really small parts. If this is your first time -

    1) Work on a light coloured table top, with a surface that's not too hard.
    The tiny shit that falls out, can go quite a distance.
    2) Important - move your belly right up to the table. Tuck in.
    This prevents the bloody tiny ibeam spring from disappearing into the carpet!
    If you step on the point of that in bare feet, you're gonna scream!
    3) Mice usually have a hinge on one end, screws hidden under something.
    The good mice, have an "X" cut in the sticker, to show you where the
    Philips head screwdriver goes.
    4) Disassembly the mouse, in the same orientation as you use it.
    Like, after the screws are removed (upside down), turn it rightside up again.
    Do not turn it turtle and disassembly and attempt to lift the bottom off.
    In the "normal" orientation, with some care, you might not even
    disturb the scroll wheel, and all those tiny parts that can fall out.

    Have fun,

    Paul

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 4 14:05:32 2024
    On 04/12/2024 13:37, GB wrote:
    I haven't taken my Logitech MX518 mouse apart since I bought it in 2011.
    It's in daily use. I suppose that saying that will now put the kibosh on
    it.

    So, I guess you must be right that some manufacturers can design the
    things so they don't clog up and just keep working.


    I have a logi wireless mouse, used daily for about 3 years no issues

    --
    "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

    Josef Stalin

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 4 13:37:51 2024
    I haven't taken my Logitech MX518 mouse apart since I bought it in 2011.
    It's in daily use. I suppose that saying that will now put the kibosh on
    it.

    So, I guess you must be right that some manufacturers can design the
    things so they don't clog up and just keep working.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid on Wed Dec 4 14:30:03 2024
    In article <viplvf$t6d4$1@dont-email.me>,
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    I haven't taken my Logitech MX518 mouse apart since I bought it in 2011.
    It's in daily use. I suppose that saying that will now put the kibosh on
    it.

    So, I guess you must be right that some manufacturers can design the
    things so they don't clog up and just keep working.


    but, as the rep of one company said when we commented on the longevity of
    an item "we must be making them too well. If we reduced the quality, we
    could sell you more."

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té˛
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 4 15:55:55 2024
    Le 04/12/2024 à 11:49, Joe a écrit :
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:28:44 +0000
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Should I bin it?

    It takes a good 10 minutes for my mouse (Logitech M180) to come to
    life, I mean, the left click doesn't seem to work for the first 10
    minutes after I haven't used it for some time. Battery is ok, right
    click is ok.

    I blow some air into it... nothing. Then I leave it there for 10
    minutes and the left click comes back to life.


    Replace the left button. They don't last forever.


    Correction. It's a M185, not M180.

    The left button is not detachable. It's literally built on the shell of
    the mouse: https://resource.logitech.com/w_1600,c_limit,q_auto,f_auto,dpr_1.0/d_transparent.gif/content/dam/logitech/en/products/mice/m185/gallery/m185-gallery-1-grey-emea.png?v=1

    --
    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 4 15:58:36 2024
    Le 04/12/2024 à 13:50, Pamela a écrit :
    On 11:28 4 Dec 2024, Ottavio Caruso said:

    Should I bin it?

    It takes a good 10 minutes for my mouse (Logitech M180) to come to life,
    I mean, the left click doesn't seem to work for the first 10 minutes
    after I haven't used it for some time. Battery is ok, right click is ok.

    I blow some air into it... nothing. Then I leave it there for 10 minutes
    and the left click comes back to life.


    It may be accumulated dust or crud preventing the left button's stud
    pressing firmly on the microswitch. It's easy enough to clean if you
    open it up.

    This is the layout of the similar Logitech M185:

    <https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Logitech+M185 +Wireless+Mouse+Disassembly/120635>

    I'll try that. Thanks.

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    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Wed Dec 4 16:21:44 2024
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Le 04/12/2024 à 11:49, Joe a écrit :
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:28:44 +0000
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Should I bin it?

    It takes a good 10 minutes for my mouse (Logitech M180) to come to
    life, I mean, the left click doesn't seem to work for the first 10
    minutes after I haven't used it for some time. Battery is ok, right
    click is ok.

    I blow some air into it... nothing. Then I leave it there for 10
    minutes and the left click comes back to life.


    Replace the left button. They don't last forever.


    Correction. It's a M185, not M180.

    The left button is not detachable. It's literally built on the shell of
    the mouse: https://resource.logitech.com/w_1600,c_limit,q_auto,f_auto,dpr_1.0/d_transparent.gif/content/dam/logitech/en/products/mice/m185/gallery/m185-gallery-1-grey-emea.png?v=1

    The microswitch or tactile switch inside the mouse will likely be
    replaceable - they wear out through use.

    Theo

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Dec 4 16:48:11 2024
    On 04/12/2024 16:21, Theo wrote:
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Le 04/12/2024 à 11:49, Joe a écrit :
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:28:44 +0000
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Should I bin it?

    It takes a good 10 minutes for my mouse (Logitech M180) to come to
    life, I mean, the left click doesn't seem to work for the first 10
    minutes after I haven't used it for some time. Battery is ok, right
    click is ok.

    I blow some air into it... nothing. Then I leave it there for 10
    minutes and the left click comes back to life.


    Replace the left button. They don't last forever.


    Correction. It's a M185, not M180.

    The left button is not detachable. It's literally built on the shell of
    the mouse:
    https://resource.logitech.com/w_1600,c_limit,q_auto,f_auto,dpr_1.0/d_transparent.gif/content/dam/logitech/en/products/mice/m185/gallery/m185-gallery-1-grey-emea.png?v=1

    The microswitch or tactile switch inside the mouse will likely be
    replaceable - they wear out through use.

    I have a 180 as well.
    It simply works.

    They are less than a tenner - is it worth wasting time fixing it?

    Theo

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com on Wed Dec 4 18:02:39 2024
    On 4 Dec 2024 at 15:55:55 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso" <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    The left button is not detachable. It's literally built on the shell of
    the mouse:

    What needs fixing is what is *under* the button.

    I can recommend the AmazonBasics mouse. Cheap and gives no trouble.

    --
    What power have you got?
    Where did you get it from?
    In whose interests do you use it?
    To whom are you accountable?
    How do we get rid of you?

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Thu Dec 5 08:29:27 2024
    On 4 Dec 2024 at 11:28:44 GMT, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    Should I bin it?

    It takes a good 10 minutes for my mouse (Logitech M180) to come to life,
    I mean, the left click doesn't seem to work for the first 10 minutes
    after I haven't used it for some time. Battery is ok, right click is ok.

    I blow some air into it... nothing. Then I leave it there for 10 minutes
    and the left click comes back to life.

    Check the USB receiver. Mine's (a Logitech) fussy about where it's placed, USB socket, and proximity to other devices.
    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to RJH on Thu Dec 5 04:04:16 2024
    On Thu, 12/5/2024 3:29 AM, RJH wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2024 at 11:28:44 GMT, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    Should I bin it?

    It takes a good 10 minutes for my mouse (Logitech M180) to come to life,
    I mean, the left click doesn't seem to work for the first 10 minutes
    after I haven't used it for some time. Battery is ok, right click is ok.

    I blow some air into it... nothing. Then I leave it there for 10 minutes
    and the left click comes back to life.

    Check the USB receiver. Mine's (a Logitech) fussy about where it's placed, USB
    socket, and proximity to other devices.


    You should be aware that the USB3 cables radiate. If you have an external
    hard drive for backups, and you are having wireless mouse problems, route
    the USB3 cable and drive to one side of the machine, place the nano receiver and the wireless mouse on the other side of the machine, and a little extra separation may fix it.

    Intel wrote a white paper about this. In the note, they explain to external hard drive manufacturers, that they have a radiation problem with their
    USB3 signal, and they need to construct the packaging correctly, to
    reduce or eliminate the level of radiation.

    USB3 creates a broadband noise, centered on 2.5GHz and having a null at
    5GHz. This lines up pretty well with 2.4GHz radios on the computer
    (Wifi 2.4 and Bluetooth 2.4), and for a weaker radio source (your mouse)
    a USB3 cable could be a problem. By separating the devices, you might get enough improvement to live with it. A USB extender cable, which is open
    on the end, is unlikely to radiate, as the wire first starts up by using
    USB2 protocol, and only turns on the USB3 wires if the device claims
    to be USB3-ready. But once a working item is on the end of the USB3 cable, there is a remote chance of a surprise.

    Paul

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