• OT: Ocada fail

    From Davey@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 5 11:50:02 2024
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an order
    with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the time. I
    ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the order, I was
    told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I live in the area
    bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and Norwich, so not out in the
    unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible time in
    the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service?
    What's that?

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Davey on Thu Dec 5 12:14:26 2024
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an order
    with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the time. I
    ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the order, I was
    told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I live in the area
    bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and Norwich, so not out in the unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible time in
    the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service?
    What's that?

    Unlike most supermarket deliveries which operate out of stores, Ocado
    operates from a small number of automated centralised warehouses. See 'customer fulfillment centres':

    https://www.ocadogroup.com/our-business/our-locations

    Looks like Purfleet or Luton are your nearest. Presumably you're too far
    away in terms of travel time for a delivery route?

    Theo

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Davey on Thu Dec 5 12:27:33 2024
    On 05/12/2024 11:50, Davey wrote:
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an order
    with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the time. I
    ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the order, I was
    told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I live in the area
    bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and Norwich, so not out in the unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible time in
    the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service?
    What's that?

    I contacted Shell, and asked them to deliver 5 litres of unleaded. I'm
    not even living in the back of beyond, like you are, and they still
    refused.







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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Davey on Thu Dec 5 12:56:14 2024
    On 05/12/2024 11:50, Davey wrote:
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an order
    with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the time. I
    ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the order, I was
    told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I live in the area
    bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and Norwich, so not out in the unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible time in
    the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve operation.

    My sympathies on that. Hope it fixes the issue


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service?
    What's that?

    Why not order from your local Waitrose in Newmarket, Cambridge , Norwich
    or Bury?


    --
    Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle
    more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump
    their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the
    battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
    that they are dead.
    Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Thu Dec 5 13:07:23 2024
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Davey wrote:
    I tried to place an order with Ocada.

    Why not order from your local Waitrose in Newmarket, Cambridge , Norwich
    or Bury?
    Ocado no longer deliver Waitrose food, they deliver M&S food (others too?)

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  • From nib@21:1/5 to Davey on Thu Dec 5 13:48:46 2024
    On 2024-12-05 11:50, Davey wrote:
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an order
    with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the time. I
    ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the order, I was
    told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I live in the area
    bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and Norwich, so not out in the unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible time in
    the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service?
    What's that?


    What about the others that deliver? Sainsbury's, Tesco, Morrisons,
    Waitrose, Asda, I'm sure there are others I've seen too!

    nib

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to nib on Thu Dec 5 13:53:42 2024
    On 05/12/2024 13:48, nib wrote:
    On 2024-12-05 11:50, Davey wrote:
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an order
    with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the time. I
    ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the order, I was
    told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I live in the area
    bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and Norwich, so not out in the
    unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible time in
    the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service?
    What's that?


    What about the others that deliver? Sainsbury's, Tesco, Morrisons,
    Waitrose, Asda, I'm sure there are others I've seen too!

    +1001

    All the above deliver here except Morrisons and possibly Asda
    nib

    --
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    that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
    emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Dec 5 13:52:48 2024
    On 05/12/2024 13:07, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Davey wrote:
    I tried to place an order with Ocada.

    Why not order from your local Waitrose in Newmarket, Cambridge ,
    Norwich or Bury?
    Ocado no longer deliver Waitrose food, they deliver M&S food (others too?)

    So what? who cares whose baked beans it is

    --
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    that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
    emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Thu Dec 5 14:28:14 2024
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 13:53:42 +0000
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 05/12/2024 13:48, nib wrote:
    On 2024-12-05 11:50, Davey wrote:
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an
    order with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the
    time. I ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the
    order, I was told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I
    live in the area bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and
    Norwich, so not out in the unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible
    time in the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve
    operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer
    Service? What's that?


    What about the others that deliver? Sainsbury's, Tesco, Morrisons, Waitrose, Asda, I'm sure there are others I've seen too!

    +1001

    All the above deliver here except Morrisons and possibly Asda
    nib


    Oh yes, they all deliver here. The reason I tried Ocada was that they
    offered some items/brands (details now forgotten) that the others
    didn't.
    If they start the same advertising again this Christmas, I think a
    complaint o the ASA is warranted.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Davey on Thu Dec 5 14:48:25 2024
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    Oh yes, they all deliver here. The reason I tried Ocada was that they
    offered some items/brands (details now forgotten) that the others
    didn't.

    That's because they deliver out of their own mega-warehouses, not
    supermarket stores. They can cover more lines than are stocked in a typical store.

    If they start the same advertising again this Christmas, I think a
    complaint o the ASA is warranted.

    You'll likely find there's some small print to cover them.

    Anyhow, TV transmitters have a wide coverage area - would you expect a
    company to deliver to every single address you can receive the signal? Including boats in the middle of the sea and houses in the north of France?

    For another example, there's many adverts about 'full fibre' broadband,
    which lots of people can't get. Does that mean they can't advertise it
    until there's 100% coverage?

    Or car adverts to people who can't drive?

    Theo

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Thu Dec 5 14:29:57 2024
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Ocado no longer deliver Waitrose food, they deliver M&S food (others
    too?)

    So what? who cares whose baked beans it is

    I presume the o/p mentioned ocado because he wants some percy pigs, or something else he knows that they deliver, surely it can't be that
    nobody delivers in his area?

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Dec 5 15:58:37 2024
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 14:29:57 +0000
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Ocado no longer deliver Waitrose food, they deliver M&S food
    (others too?)

    So what? who cares whose baked beans it is

    I presume the o/p mentioned ocado because he wants some percy pigs,
    or something else he knows that they deliver, surely it can't be that
    nobody delivers in his area?

    Correct, I wanted something that they said they stocked that the main supermarkets didn't, so I ordered those items and made the total up
    to £40 with stuff that I would normally buy anyway. It was only at
    checkout that I was asked for my Postcode. I had no idea that they
    would not deliver everywhere in East Anglia, especially after the
    advertising blitz that had been going on for some time.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Davey on Thu Dec 5 22:04:39 2024
    On 05/12/2024 11:50, Davey wrote:
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an order
    with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the time. I
    ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the order, I was
    told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I live in the area
    bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and Norwich, so not out in the unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible time in
    the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service?
    What's that?

    You should have given them details (like a post code) at the outset.
    Whenever I access their website, they always ask me to log in or
    register right at the outset.

    Items which are in stock at one location may be out of stock at another,
    so having your post code is the only way they can decide what they can
    offer to you.

    It would have saved you a good deal of time.

    P.S. I'm fairly sure the same would apply if you tried to get a delivery
    from a conventional supermarket chain.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Sam Plusnet on Fri Dec 6 01:31:03 2024
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 22:04:39 +0000
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 05/12/2024 11:50, Davey wrote:
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an
    order with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the
    time. I ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the
    order, I was told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I
    live in the area bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and
    Norwich, so not out in the unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible time
    in the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer
    Service? What's that?

    You should have given them details (like a post code) at the outset.
    Whenever I access their website, they always ask me to log in or
    register right at the outset.

    Items which are in stock at one location may be out of stock at
    another, so having your post code is the only way they can decide
    what they can offer to you.

    It would have saved you a good deal of time.

    P.S. I'm fairly sure the same would apply if you tried to get a
    delivery from a conventional supermarket chain.


    It was the first time I had ever gone on to the Ocada website, and I
    followed the process as it was offered to me. It sucked. It made no
    mention of locations from which it dispatched goods, it let me build a
    list and then asked me to check out, and then told me that it could not
    deliver to my Postcode. It did not ask me for a Postcode at the outset.
    And despite their suggestion that I try again later, it is many, many
    months later, and they still will not deliver to my Postcode.

    Davey.

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Peter Johnson on Fri Dec 6 15:44:33 2024
    On 06/12/2024 15:35, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service?
    What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I too would find it annoying to get all the way to check-out before
    finding I was outside the delivery area. That may have been operator
    error, or it may have been poor website design. Or, both.

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  • From Peter Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 6 15:35:11 2024
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service?
    What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 6 16:51:27 2024
    In message <visije$1mruj$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:58:37 on Thu, 5 Dec
    2024, Davey <davey@example.invalid> remarked:

    I presume the o/p mentioned ocado because he wants some percy pigs,
    or something else he knows that they deliver, surely it can't be that
    nobody delivers in his area?

    Correct, I wanted something that they said they stocked that the main >supermarkets didn't, so I ordered those items and made the total up
    to 40 with stuff that I would normally buy anyway. It was only at
    checkout that I was asked for my Postcode. I had no idea that they
    would not deliver everywhere in East Anglia, especially after the
    advertising blitz that had been going on for some time.

    I'm not at all surprised. Many things which get advertised a lot, and recommended by people who live in major metropolitan areas, aren't
    available in many places.

    For example last time I looked at north Cambridgeshire, Uber wasn't
    available, and "Just Eat" only arrived this year. People recommended to
    me that hire companies would deliver a car if I had problems getting to
    their base, but for the pickup and return, the bill would have been
    about 200 (because I was more than 2miles away (or whatever their
    "free" service covered).
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid on Fri Dec 6 16:52:51 2024
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:44:33 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 15:35, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer
    Service? What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I too would find it annoying to get all the way to check-out before
    finding I was outside the delivery area. That may have been operator
    error, or it may have been poor website design. Or, both.





    It certainly did not ask for my Postcode until well into the Checkout
    process.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 6 16:46:15 2024
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:

    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an order
    with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the time. I
    ordered over 40 of food, but when I came to place the order, I was
    told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I live in the area
    bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and Norwich, so not out in the >unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible time in
    the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service?
    What's that?

    Ocado.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to peter@parksidewood.nospam on Fri Dec 6 16:51:02 2024
    On Fri, 06 Dec 2024 15:35:11 +0000, Peter Johnson
    <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:

    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service? >>What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    That's an interesting argument. If the toilets in the cafe are for
    customer use only, when can you go for a pish? Is it:

    - on entry
    - on occupation of a table
    - after placing order (but before payment)
    - on delivery of order to table
    - on payment

    Can I then return 30 minutes later for a pish on the basis that the
    contents of the pish were purchased at the cafe :-)

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Peter Johnson on Fri Dec 6 16:51:43 2024
    On Fri, 06 Dec 2024 15:35:11 +0000
    Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:

    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer
    Service? What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I was trying to be.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Davey on Fri Dec 6 20:48:44 2024
    On 06/12/2024 16:52, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:44:33 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 15:35, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer
    Service? What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I too would find it annoying to get all the way to check-out before
    finding I was outside the delivery area. That may have been operator
    error, or it may have been poor website design. Or, both.





    It certainly did not ask for my Postcode until well into the Checkout process.

    To refresh my memory I just went to their website.

    The opening page starts with (in very large print which nigh-on fills my display) "Start shopping the ridiculously easy way" and large button
    labelled "Book a Delivery".

    That the takes you to a "Log In or Register" page. Assuming you don't
    already have an account with them, the "Register" process would take
    your address details.

    You certainly _could_ evade that, and go straight on to browsing the
    items for sale, but - especially if you had previously found they don't
    operate in your area - I'm not sure why you would choose that route.

    I certainly have a few complaints about how Odcado's system operates,
    but I can't go along with you on this one.


    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to Sam Plusnet on Fri Dec 6 21:34:09 2024
    On 6 Dec 2024 at 20:48:44 GMT, "Sam Plusnet" <not@home.com> wrote:

    "Start shopping the ridiculously easy way"

    Sounds like they're right about that. Trouble is, it also seems that
    completing the shopping process is not so easy.

    --
    "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their
    pockets for new vocabulary."

    James Nicoll, rasfw

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Sam Plusnet on Sat Dec 7 00:33:25 2024
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 20:48:44 +0000
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 16:52, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:44:33 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 15:35, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer
    Service? What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I too would find it annoying to get all the way to check-out before
    finding I was outside the delivery area. That may have been
    operator error, or it may have been poor website design. Or, both.





    It certainly did not ask for my Postcode until well into the
    Checkout process.

    To refresh my memory I just went to their website.

    The opening page starts with (in very large print which nigh-on fills
    my display) "Start shopping the ridiculously easy way" and large
    button labelled "Book a Delivery".

    That the takes you to a "Log In or Register" page. Assuming you
    don't already have an account with them, the "Register" process would
    take your address details.

    You certainly _could_ evade that, and go straight on to browsing the
    items for sale, but - especially if you had previously found they
    don't operate in your area - I'm not sure why you would choose that
    route.

    I certainly have a few complaints about how Odcado's system operates,
    but I can't go along with you on this one.



    My first attempt to use them was back in 2022. The website has probably
    been updated since then.

    Does entering your address in that first stage automatically tell
    you that they don't deliver to your Postcode?
    On my attempt recently, I deliberately went to the Postcode check first,
    but that was because of the 2022 debacle.

    --
    Davey.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Davey on Sat Dec 7 01:13:46 2024
    On 07/12/2024 00:33, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 20:48:44 +0000
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 16:52, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:44:33 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 15:35, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer
    Service? What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I too would find it annoying to get all the way to check-out before
    finding I was outside the delivery area. That may have been
    operator error, or it may have been poor website design. Or, both.





    It certainly did not ask for my Postcode until well into the
    Checkout process.

    To refresh my memory I just went to their website.

    The opening page starts with (in very large print which nigh-on fills
    my display) "Start shopping the ridiculously easy way" and large
    button labelled "Book a Delivery".

    That the takes you to a "Log In or Register" page. Assuming you
    don't already have an account with them, the "Register" process would
    take your address details.

    You certainly _could_ evade that, and go straight on to browsing the
    items for sale, but - especially if you had previously found they
    don't operate in your area - I'm not sure why you would choose that
    route.

    I certainly have a few complaints about how Odcado's system operates,
    but I can't go along with you on this one.



    My first attempt to use them was back in 2022. The website has probably
    been updated since then.

    Does entering your address in that first stage automatically tell
    you that they don't deliver to your Postcode?

    That I cannot tell, since they evidently _do_ deliver to my area.

    On my attempt recently, I deliberately went to the Postcode check first,
    but that was because of the 2022 debacle.



    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 7 10:28:09 2024
    In message <vj164p$30jrq$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:56:41 on Sat, 7 Dec
    2024, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> remarked:

    If you had first attempted to book a delivery, as the website suggests
    you do, then you would have found out that there were no delivery slots >available for your address.

    It doesn't seem to be an appalling failure that the website allowed you
    to bypass that and browse the site.

    I had this problem in Dorking last month. Not exactly somewhere in the
    back of beyond. Trying to book an Uber it said "we can't pick you up
    from where you are" (which is probably because it was a narrow one-way
    back street). So I walked to the High Street and tried again.

    This time it accepted the task, and said "we are trying to find you a driver..." and 15 minutes later, after about a dozen "hold on, we are
    almost ready" was still "we are trying to find you a driver..."

    So I gave up and used a conventional cab firm.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid on Sat Dec 7 11:19:59 2024
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:56:41 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/12/2024 00:33, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 20:48:44 +0000
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 16:52, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:44:33 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 15:35, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer
    Service? What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I too would find it annoying to get all the way to check-out
    before finding I was outside the delivery area. That may have
    been operator error, or it may have been poor website design.
    Or, both.





    It certainly did not ask for my Postcode until well into the
    Checkout process.

    To refresh my memory I just went to their website.

    The opening page starts with (in very large print which nigh-on
    fills my display) "Start shopping the ridiculously easy way" and
    large button labelled "Book a Delivery".

    That the takes you to a "Log In or Register" page. Assuming you
    don't already have an account with them, the "Register" process
    would take your address details.

    You certainly _could_ evade that, and go straight on to browsing
    the items for sale, but - especially if you had previously found
    they don't operate in your area - I'm not sure why you would
    choose that route.

    I certainly have a few complaints about how Odcado's system
    operates, but I can't go along with you on this one.



    My first attempt to use them was back in 2022. The website has
    probably been updated since then.

    Does entering your address in that first stage automatically tell
    you that they don't deliver to your Postcode?
    On my attempt recently, I deliberately went to the Postcode check
    first, but that was because of the 2022 debacle.


    If you had first attempted to book a delivery, as the website
    suggests you do, then you would have found out that there were no
    delivery slots available for your address.


    But did it suggest that back in June 2022 ? As far as I remember, I went through whatever process it led me through at the time.
    They have had 2 1/2 years to extend their range, when they suggested in
    2022 that I try again later. 2 1/2 years qualifies as 'later'.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From nib@21:1/5 to wasbit on Sat Dec 7 12:54:07 2024
    On 2024-12-07 10:06, wasbit wrote:
    On 05/12/2024 11:50, Davey wrote:
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an order
    with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the time. I
    ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the order, I was
    told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I live in the area
    bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and Norwich, so not out in the
    unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible time in
    the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service?
    What's that?


    I won't buy anything on line if they won't tell me the cost of delivery before I enter my personal details.
    A lot of web sites will only tell you as a last resort.
    Probably means I wouldn't have bought from them anyway but they have effectively removed themselves from being considered.



    I've not used Ocado a lot, just taking over from my wife who has used it
    for many years before becoming too ill, but as I found it the first
    thing you do is book a slot, and that process tells you the cost of the possible delivery times, which varies from zero upwards depending on the
    time and availability.

    Then you fill the basket.

    Then you check out.

    Then, up until a certain time usually the day before, you can add stuff
    and update the check out.

    Then it (usually) turns up at the set time.

    nib

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 7 13:04:28 2024
    In message <lriurgFmrnbU1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:54:07 on Sat, 7 Dec
    2024, nib <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> remarked:

    I've not used Ocado a lot, just taking over from my wife who has used
    it for many years before becoming too ill, but as I found it the first
    thing you do is book a slot, and that process tells you the cost of the >possible delivery times, which varies from zero upwards depending on
    the time and availability.

    Then you fill the basket.

    Then you check out.

    Then, up until a certain time usually the day before, you can add stuff
    and update the check out.

    Then it (usually) turns up at the set time.

    It's much the same with Tesco. Amazon not so much. I needed something
    earlier today, and despite having a paid-for Prime account, the earliest delivery they quoted was Tuesday (not Sunday) and no option to pick a
    specific slot.

    So I tried Screwfix, and they said "not in stock".
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to nib on Sat Dec 7 13:10:20 2024
    nib <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> wrote:
    On 2024-12-07 10:06, wasbit wrote:

    I won't buy anything on line if they won't tell me the cost of delivery before I enter my personal details.
    A lot of web sites will only tell you as a last resort.
    Probably means I wouldn't have bought from them anyway but they have effectively removed themselves from being considered.

    +1. Although shops have got better at having a 'Delivery and returns' link
    at the bottom of the page. Usually it's possible to find out through that. Sometimes (it seems to be mostly sites that delivery to multiple countries) they insist on a postcode 'for the courier' and only then do they list
    delivery options. For those I put in a fake postcode.

    I've not used Ocado a lot, just taking over from my wife who has used it
    for many years before becoming too ill, but as I found it the first
    thing you do is book a slot, and that process tells you the cost of the possible delivery times, which varies from zero upwards depending on the
    time and availability.

    Then you fill the basket.

    Then you check out.

    Then, up until a certain time usually the day before, you can add stuff
    and update the check out.

    Then it (usually) turns up at the set time.

    Morrisons, who use the Ocado IT system but fulfill from their own stores,
    will also change the stock shown to you based on your location and delivery/collection time. eg if you select one tomorrow then some items
    will be out of stock, but if you select one next week they might not be.
    Which is another reason why they need a slot selected in advance of shopping.

    Theo

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Roland Perry on Sat Dec 7 13:20:59 2024
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
    It's much the same with Tesco. Amazon not so much. I needed something
    earlier today, and despite having a paid-for Prime account, the earliest delivery they quoted was Tuesday (not Sunday) and no option to pick a specific slot.

    Everything at Amazon has a last-orders time, and not everything has next day delivery (some of it comes from distant warehouses, eg in the EU). If you
    miss last-orders (usually about 11pm for me, but it varies based on your location - can be ~5pm in some places) then it'll bump the delivery one day later.

    So I tried Screwfix, and they said "not in stock".

    I don't buy much from SF because they say 'available for collection' and
    then when you click through it turns out to be 'for collection tomorrow',
    when the only reason I go there is because I want it today. Toolstation
    gets a lot more business from me because when they say 'for collection' they actually mean on the shelf in the branch. Other items are clearly labelled
    as 'next day collection'. It would be nice to be able to filter items based
    on their stock status though.

    Theo

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to they on Sat Dec 7 15:20:23 2024
    In message <pco*Ulr1z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 13:20:59 on Sat,
    7 Dec 2024, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> remarked:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
    It's much the same with Tesco. Amazon not so much. I needed something
    earlier today, and despite having a paid-for Prime account, the earliest
    delivery they quoted was Tuesday (not Sunday) and no option to pick a
    specific slot.

    Everything at Amazon has a last-orders time, and not everything has next day >delivery (some of it comes from distant warehouses, eg in the EU). If you >miss last-orders (usually about 11pm for me, but it varies based on your >location - can be ~5pm in some places) then it'll bump the delivery one day >later.

    I was trying at about 10am, and "one day later" would be Monday, not
    Tuesday.

    So I tried Screwfix, and they said "not in stock".

    I don't buy much from SF because they say 'available for collection' and
    then when you click through it turns out to be 'for collection tomorrow', >when the only reason I go there is because I want it today.

    Exactly. And Argos are going down the same route.

    Toolstation gets a lot more business from me because when they say 'for >collection' they actually mean on the shelf in the branch.

    Yes, and the thing I wanted, they said was out of stock.

    Other items are clearly labelled as 'next day collection'. It would be
    nice to be able to filter items based on their stock status though.

    Yes.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Davey on Sat Dec 7 09:56:41 2024
    On 07/12/2024 00:33, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 20:48:44 +0000
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 16:52, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:44:33 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 15:35, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer
    Service? What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I too would find it annoying to get all the way to check-out before
    finding I was outside the delivery area. That may have been
    operator error, or it may have been poor website design. Or, both.





    It certainly did not ask for my Postcode until well into the
    Checkout process.

    To refresh my memory I just went to their website.

    The opening page starts with (in very large print which nigh-on fills
    my display) "Start shopping the ridiculously easy way" and large
    button labelled "Book a Delivery".

    That the takes you to a "Log In or Register" page. Assuming you
    don't already have an account with them, the "Register" process would
    take your address details.

    You certainly _could_ evade that, and go straight on to browsing the
    items for sale, but - especially if you had previously found they
    don't operate in your area - I'm not sure why you would choose that
    route.

    I certainly have a few complaints about how Odcado's system operates,
    but I can't go along with you on this one.



    My first attempt to use them was back in 2022. The website has probably
    been updated since then.

    Does entering your address in that first stage automatically tell
    you that they don't deliver to your Postcode?
    On my attempt recently, I deliberately went to the Postcode check first,
    but that was because of the 2022 debacle.


    If you had first attempted to book a delivery, as the website suggests
    you do, then you would have found out that there were no delivery slots available for your address.

    It doesn't seem to be an appalling failure that the website allowed you
    to bypass that and browse the site.

    Ocado can apparently reach nearly three quarters of UK households. They
    have no obligation to reach 100%, do they?

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to Davey on Sat Dec 7 10:06:08 2024
    On 05/12/2024 11:50, Davey wrote:
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an order
    with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the time. I
    ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the order, I was
    told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I live in the area
    bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and Norwich, so not out in the unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible time in
    the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer Service?
    What's that?


    I won't buy anything on line if they won't tell me the cost of delivery
    before I enter my personal details.
    A lot of web sites will only tell you as a last resort.
    Probably means I wouldn't have bought from them anyway but they have effectively removed themselves from being considered.


    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Roland Perry on Sat Dec 7 20:10:56 2024
    On 07/12/2024 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <lriurgFmrnbU1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:54:07 on Sat, 7 Dec 2024, nib <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> remarked:

    I've not used Ocado a lot, just taking over from my wife who has used
    it for many years before becoming too ill, but as I found it the first
    thing you do is book a slot, and that process tells you the cost of
    the possible delivery times, which varies from zero upwards depending
    on the time and availability.

    Then you fill the basket.

    Then you check out.

    Then, up until a certain time usually the day before, you can add
    stuff and update the check out.

    Then it (usually) turns up at the set time.

    It's much the same with Tesco. Amazon not so much. I needed something
    earlier today, and despite having a paid-for Prime account, the earliest delivery they quoted was Tuesday (not Sunday) and no option to pick a specific slot.

    So I tried Screwfix, and they said "not in stock".

    My complaint about Amazon is that they often deliver earlier than they forecast.
    In the early hours of Tuesday morning the "Echo Show" that lives on my
    desk still told me to expect a delivery "Tomorrow" (i.e. Wednesday).
    It arrived a 1PM on Tuesday.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Davey on Sat Dec 7 20:14:51 2024
    On 07/12/2024 11:19, Davey wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:56:41 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/12/2024 00:33, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 20:48:44 +0000
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 16:52, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:44:33 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 15:35, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer
    Service? What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I too would find it annoying to get all the way to check-out
    before finding I was outside the delivery area. That may have
    been operator error, or it may have been poor website design.
    Or, both.





    It certainly did not ask for my Postcode until well into the
    Checkout process.

    To refresh my memory I just went to their website.

    The opening page starts with (in very large print which nigh-on
    fills my display) "Start shopping the ridiculously easy way" and
    large button labelled "Book a Delivery".

    That the takes you to a "Log In or Register" page. Assuming you
    don't already have an account with them, the "Register" process
    would take your address details.

    You certainly _could_ evade that, and go straight on to browsing
    the items for sale, but - especially if you had previously found
    they don't operate in your area - I'm not sure why you would
    choose that route.

    I certainly have a few complaints about how Odcado's system
    operates, but I can't go along with you on this one.



    My first attempt to use them was back in 2022. The website has
    probably been updated since then.

    Does entering your address in that first stage automatically tell
    you that they don't deliver to your Postcode?
    On my attempt recently, I deliberately went to the Postcode check
    first, but that was because of the 2022 debacle.


    If you had first attempted to book a delivery, as the website
    suggests you do, then you would have found out that there were no
    delivery slots available for your address.


    But did it suggest that back in June 2022 ? As far as I remember, I went through whatever process it led me through at the time.
    They have had 2 1/2 years to extend their range, when they suggested in
    2022 that I try again later. 2 1/2 years qualifies as 'later'.


    Do you feel, somehow, entitled to Ocado deliveries? So, you've been wronged?

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid on Sat Dec 7 20:53:58 2024
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 20:14:51 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/12/2024 11:19, Davey wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:56:41 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/12/2024 00:33, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 20:48:44 +0000
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 16:52, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:44:33 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 15:35, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey
    <davey@example.invalid> wrote:


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer >>>>>>>> Service? What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I too would find it annoying to get all the way to check-out
    before finding I was outside the delivery area. That may have
    been operator error, or it may have been poor website design.
    Or, both.





    It certainly did not ask for my Postcode until well into the
    Checkout process.

    To refresh my memory I just went to their website.

    The opening page starts with (in very large print which nigh-on
    fills my display) "Start shopping the ridiculously easy way" and
    large button labelled "Book a Delivery".

    That the takes you to a "Log In or Register" page. Assuming you
    don't already have an account with them, the "Register" process
    would take your address details.

    You certainly _could_ evade that, and go straight on to browsing
    the items for sale, but - especially if you had previously found
    they don't operate in your area - I'm not sure why you would
    choose that route.

    I certainly have a few complaints about how Odcado's system
    operates, but I can't go along with you on this one.



    My first attempt to use them was back in 2022. The website has
    probably been updated since then.

    Does entering your address in that first stage automatically tell
    you that they don't deliver to your Postcode?
    On my attempt recently, I deliberately went to the Postcode check
    first, but that was because of the 2022 debacle.


    If you had first attempted to book a delivery, as the website
    suggests you do, then you would have found out that there were no
    delivery slots available for your address.


    But did it suggest that back in June 2022 ? As far as I remember, I
    went through whatever process it led me through at the time.
    They have had 2 1/2 years to extend their range, when they
    suggested in 2022 that I try again later. 2 1/2 years qualifies as
    'later'.

    Do you feel, somehow, entitled to Ocado deliveries? So, you've been
    wronged?



    Their commercials were telling me how good a service they provided.
    They lied, they could not provide me with any kind of service.
    The adverts. did not even mention that some areas had no deliveries at
    all.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Theo on Sat Dec 7 20:58:54 2024
    On 05/12/2024 14:48, Theo wrote:
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    Oh yes, they all deliver here. The reason I tried Ocada was that they
    offered some items/brands (details now forgotten) that the others
    didn't.

    That's because they deliver out of their own mega-warehouses, not
    supermarket stores. They can cover more lines than are stocked in a typical store.

    If they start the same advertising again this Christmas, I think a
    complaint o the ASA is warranted.

    You'll likely find there's some small print to cover them.

    Like Nationwide claiming that they are giving back money
    to their members, when in fact, they are only giving
    money back to members who bank with them.

    Members who just have savings accounts are disregarded

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 7 21:12:39 2024
    On 07/12/2024 20:14, GB wrote:
    On 07/12/2024 11:19, Davey wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:56:41 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/12/2024 00:33, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 20:48:44 +0000
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
    On 06/12/2024 16:52, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:44:33 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 06/12/2024 15:35, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer >>>>>>>>> Service? What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I too would find it annoying to get all the way to check-out
    before finding I was outside the delivery area. That may have
    been operator error, or it may have been poor website design.
    Or, both.




    It certainly did not ask for my Postcode until well into the
    Checkout process.
    To refresh my memory I just went to their website.

    The opening page starts with (in very large print which nigh-on
    fills my display) "Start shopping the ridiculously easy way" and
    large button labelled "Book a Delivery".

    That the takes you to a "Log In or Register" page.  Assuming you
    don't already have an account with them, the "Register" process
    would take your address details.

    You certainly _could_ evade that, and go straight on to browsing
    the items for sale, but - especially if you had previously found
    they don't operate in your area - I'm not sure why you would
    choose that route.

    I certainly have a few complaints about how Odcado's system
    operates, but I can't go along with you on this one.


    My first attempt to use them was back in 2022. The website has
    probably been updated since then.

    Does entering your address in that first stage automatically tell
    you that they don't deliver to your Postcode?
    On my attempt recently, I deliberately went to the Postcode check
    first, but that was because of the 2022 debacle.

    If you had first attempted to book a delivery, as the website
    suggests you do, then you would have found out that there were no
    delivery slots available for your address.


    But did it suggest that back in June 2022 ? As far as I remember, I went
    through whatever process it led me through at the time.
    They have had 2 1/2 years to extend their range, when they suggested in
    2022 that I try again later. 2 1/2 years qualifies as 'later'.


    Do you feel, somehow, entitled to Ocado deliveries? So, you've been
    wronged?


    Perhaaps you need counselling. Such events can be truly traumatic

    --
    For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
    very definition of slavery.

    Jonathan Swift

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Davey on Sat Dec 7 21:13:56 2024
    On 07/12/2024 20:53, Davey wrote:


    Their commercials were telling me how good a service they provided.
    They lied, they could not provide me with any kind of service.
    The adverts. did not even mention that some areas had no deliveries at
    all.

    Well, welcome to the RealWorld™
    Man up and grow a pair


    --
    For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
    very definition of slavery.

    Jonathan Swift

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  • From Marland@21:1/5 to Davey on Sat Dec 7 23:58:46 2024
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 20:14:51 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/12/2024 11:19, Davey wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:56:41 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/12/2024 00:33, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 20:48:44 +0000
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 16:52, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:44:33 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 15:35, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey
    <davey@example.invalid> wrote:


    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer >>>>>>>>>> Service? What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I too would find it annoying to get all the way to check-out
    before finding I was outside the delivery area. That may have
    been operator error, or it may have been poor website design.
    Or, both.





    It certainly did not ask for my Postcode until well into the
    Checkout process.

    To refresh my memory I just went to their website.

    The opening page starts with (in very large print which nigh-on
    fills my display) "Start shopping the ridiculously easy way" and
    large button labelled "Book a Delivery".

    That the takes you to a "Log In or Register" page. Assuming you
    don't already have an account with them, the "Register" process
    would take your address details.

    You certainly _could_ evade that, and go straight on to browsing
    the items for sale, but - especially if you had previously found
    they don't operate in your area - I'm not sure why you would
    choose that route.

    I certainly have a few complaints about how Odcado's system
    operates, but I can't go along with you on this one.



    My first attempt to use them was back in 2022. The website has
    probably been updated since then.

    Does entering your address in that first stage automatically tell
    you that they don't deliver to your Postcode?
    On my attempt recently, I deliberately went to the Postcode check
    first, but that was because of the 2022 debacle.


    If you had first attempted to book a delivery, as the website
    suggests you do, then you would have found out that there were no
    delivery slots available for your address.


    But did it suggest that back in June 2022 ? As far as I remember, I
    went through whatever process it led me through at the time.
    They have had 2 1/2 years to extend their range, when they
    suggested in 2022 that I try again later. 2 1/2 years qualifies as
    'later'.

    Do you feel, somehow, entitled to Ocado deliveries? So, you've been
    wronged?



    Their commercials were telling me how good a service they provided.
    They lied, they could not provide me with any kind of service.
    The adverts. did not even mention that some areas had no deliveries at
    all.


    TV adverts should not be taken at face value anyway ,just treated as a
    guide or starting point,
    it still surprises me that some purveyors of what is usually low quality
    tat think sticking the slogan “As seen on TV” on the packaging or a shop counter display is somehow an endorsement of its desirability and
    effectiveness .

    GH

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 8 07:02:21 2024
    In message <kZ15P.100$xFCa.77@fx14.ams1>, at 20:10:56 on Sat, 7 Dec
    2024, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> remarked:
    On 07/12/2024 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <lriurgFmrnbU1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:54:07 on Sat, 7
    Dec 2024, nib <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> remarked:

    I've not used Ocado a lot, just taking over from my wife who has
    used it for many years before becoming too ill, but as I found it
    the first thing you do is book a slot, and that process tells you
    the cost of the possible delivery times, which varies from zero
    upwards depending on the time and availability.

    Then you fill the basket.

    Then you check out.

    Then, up until a certain time usually the day before, you can add
    stuff and update the check out.

    Then it (usually) turns up at the set time.

    It's much the same with Tesco. Amazon not so much. I needed
    something earlier today, and despite having a paid-for Prime account,
    the earliest delivery they quoted was Tuesday (not Sunday) and no
    option to pick a specific slot.

    So I tried Screwfix, and they said "not in stock".

    My complaint about Amazon is that they often deliver earlier than they >forecast.
    In the early hours of Tuesday morning the "Echo Show" that lives on my
    desk still told me to expect a delivery "Tomorrow" (i.e. Wednesday).
    It arrived a 1PM on Tuesday.

    Overall, Amazon are pretty reliable (but currently must be having an
    Xmas-rush or something, because predicted deliveries, even on Prime,
    have been extended).

    What's desperate is Evri, who are a basket case in almost every(sic)
    respect. Last month I had an urgent delivery which I swapped to a local click-and-collect shop [a Tesco Express] because I might have been out
    at the unspecified time they could have chosen to deliver; but when I
    went to collect, was told I couldn't because their Evri gadget had been
    broken for days and therefore they couldn't log items in or out.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Roland Perry on Sun Dec 8 09:08:02 2024
    In article <ueoE6JN9RUVnFAbe@perry.uk>,
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <kZ15P.100$xFCa.77@fx14.ams1>, at 20:10:56 on Sat, 7 Dec
    2024, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> remarked:
    On 07/12/2024 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <lriurgFmrnbU1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:54:07 on Sat, 7
    Dec 2024, nib <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> remarked:

    I've not used Ocado a lot, just taking over from my wife who has
    used it for many years before becoming too ill, but as I found it
    the first thing you do is book a slot, and that process tells you
    the cost of the possible delivery times, which varies from zero >>>upwards depending on the time and availability.

    Then you fill the basket.

    Then you check out.

    Then, up until a certain time usually the day before, you can add >>>stuff and update the check out.

    Then it (usually) turns up at the set time.

    It's much the same with Tesco. Amazon not so much. I needed
    something earlier today, and despite having a paid-for Prime account, >>the earliest delivery they quoted was Tuesday (not Sunday) and no
    option to pick a specific slot.

    So I tried Screwfix, and they said "not in stock".

    My complaint about Amazon is that they often deliver earlier than they >forecast.
    In the early hours of Tuesday morning the "Echo Show" that lives on my
    desk still told me to expect a delivery "Tomorrow" (i.e. Wednesday).
    It arrived a 1PM on Tuesday.

    Overall, Amazon are pretty reliable (but currently must be having an Xmas-rush or something, because predicted deliveries, even on Prime,
    have been extended).

    What's desperate is Evri, who are a basket case in almost every(sic)
    respect. Last month I had an urgent delivery which I swapped to a local click-and-collect shop [a Tesco Express] because I might have been out
    at the unspecified time they could have chosen to deliver; but when I
    went to collect, was told I couldn't because their Evri gadget had been broken for days and therefore they couldn't log items in or out.

    was that Evri's fault? Round here, Evri are fine.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4t
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to charles on Sun Dec 8 09:27:33 2024
    On Sun, 08 Dec 24 09:08:02 UTC
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <ueoE6JN9RUVnFAbe@perry.uk>,
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <kZ15P.100$xFCa.77@fx14.ams1>, at 20:10:56 on Sat, 7 Dec
    2024, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> remarked:
    On 07/12/2024 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <lriurgFmrnbU1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:54:07 on
    Sat, 7
    Dec 2024, nib <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> remarked:

    I've not used Ocado a lot, just taking over from my wife who
    has
    used it for many years before becoming too ill, but as I found
    it the first thing you do is book a slot, and that process
    tells you the cost of the possible delivery times, which varies
    from zero upwards depending on the time and availability.

    Then you fill the basket.

    Then you check out.

    Then, up until a certain time usually the day before, you can
    add
    stuff and update the check out.

    Then it (usually) turns up at the set time.

    It's much the same with Tesco. Amazon not so much. I needed
    something earlier today, and despite having a paid-for Prime
    account, the earliest delivery they quoted was Tuesday (not
    Sunday) and no option to pick a specific slot.

    So I tried Screwfix, and they said "not in stock".

    My complaint about Amazon is that they often deliver earlier than
    they forecast.
    In the early hours of Tuesday morning the "Echo Show" that lives
    on my desk still told me to expect a delivery "Tomorrow" (i.e. >Wednesday). It arrived a 1PM on Tuesday.

    Overall, Amazon are pretty reliable (but currently must be having
    an Xmas-rush or something, because predicted deliveries, even on
    Prime, have been extended).

    What's desperate is Evri, who are a basket case in almost
    every(sic) respect. Last month I had an urgent delivery which I
    swapped to a local click-and-collect shop [a Tesco Express] because
    I might have been out at the unspecified time they could have
    chosen to deliver; but when I went to collect, was told I couldn't
    because their Evri gadget had been broken for days and therefore
    they couldn't log items in or out.

    was that Evri's fault? Round here, Evri are fine.


    And here, as they have been since before the Hermes days.
    It all depends on the staff.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Dec 8 11:13:14 2024
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 10:42:13 +0000
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    they could not provide me with any kind of service. The adverts. did
    not even mention that some areas had no deliveries at all.

    Six month old Ocado TV advert <https://youtu.be/_7lDDAsTBXE?t=8>

    "geographical restrictions apply"

    Show me an advert. from June 2022 which says the same thing.
    Six months old means nothing.
    And that is not the advert. which was played in my region ad infinitum.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Davey on Sun Dec 8 10:42:13 2024
    Davey wrote:

    they could not provide me with any kind of service. The adverts. did
    not even mention that some areas had no deliveries at all.

    Six month old Ocado TV advert <https://youtu.be/_7lDDAsTBXE?t=8>

    "geographical restrictions apply"

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Davey on Sun Dec 8 11:38:28 2024
    Davey wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Six month old Ocado TV advert <https://youtu.be/_7lDDAsTBXE?t=8>
    "geographical restrictions apply"

    Show me an advert. from June 2022 which says the same thing.
    one year old <https://youtu.be/QMLxzN7hjEU?feature=shared&t=52>

    one year old <https://youtu.be/7FgNskoSDws?feature=shared&t=18>

    two years old <https://youtu.be/l735BbtjPTE?feature=shared&t=20>

    two years old <https://youtu.be/ScppK_ICnns?t=20>

    two years old <https://youtu.be/B2g1eEfMCJM?t=21>

    three years old <https://youtu.be/DwKMuUtCJTE?t=53>

    I see a pattern ...

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  • From Marland@21:1/5 to charles on Sun Dec 8 11:48:21 2024
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    In article <ueoE6JN9RUVnFAbe@perry.uk>,
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <kZ15P.100$xFCa.77@fx14.ams1>, at 20:10:56 on Sat, 7 Dec

    Overall, Amazon are pretty reliable (but currently must be having an
    Xmas-rush or something, because predicted deliveries, even on Prime,
    have been extended).

    What's desperate is Evri, who are a basket case in almost every(sic)
    respect. Last month I had an urgent delivery which I swapped to a local
    click-and-collect shop [a Tesco Express] because I might have been out
    at the unspecified time they could have chosen to deliver; but when I
    went to collect, was told I couldn't because their Evri gadget had been
    broken for days and therefore they couldn't log items in or out.

    was that Evri's fault? Round here, Evri are fine.


    Same here, it does seem to depend on the local driver, it was noticeable a
    few weeks ago when part of the round of our regular chap was allocated to a
    new person. She unfortunately got in a pickle by locking her keys in her
    van on her first day, smashed the side window to get in then panicked
    about having an unsecured vehicle full of parcels. Was posting on local FB apologising . Took several days to sort out. Fortunately we still retain
    our regular chap but it is noticeable that he only handles smaller
    packages, large ones that would soon fill his estate car get brought by
    another person in a large van,
    he has been known to reschedule if running late.

    GH


    GH

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Dec 8 14:28:51 2024
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 11:38:28 +0000
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Davey wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Six month old Ocado TV advert <https://youtu.be/_7lDDAsTBXE?t=8>
    "geographical restrictions apply"

    Show me an advert. from June 2022 which says the same thing.
    one year old <https://youtu.be/QMLxzN7hjEU?feature=shared&t=52>

    one year old <https://youtu.be/7FgNskoSDws?feature=shared&t=18>

    two years old <https://youtu.be/l735BbtjPTE?feature=shared&t=20>

    two years old <https://youtu.be/ScppK_ICnns?t=20>

    two years old <https://youtu.be/B2g1eEfMCJM?t=21>

    three years old <https://youtu.be/DwKMuUtCJTE?t=53>

    I see a pattern ...

    Ok.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Davey on Sun Dec 8 15:59:18 2024
    On 07/12/2024 20:53, Davey wrote:

    Do you feel, somehow, entitled to Ocado deliveries? So, you've been
    wronged?



    Their commercials were telling me how good a service they provided.
    They lied, they could not provide me with any kind of service.

    Oh, you poor wee mite! You really do feel wronged.

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sun Dec 8 16:01:01 2024
    On 07/12/2024 21:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Do you feel, somehow, entitled to Ocado deliveries? So, you've been
    wronged?


    Perhaaps you need counselling. Such events can be truly traumatic


    He needs his head examining, as he apparently expected a sympathetic
    response.

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Davey on Sun Dec 8 17:58:03 2024
    On 06/12/2024 01:31, Davey wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 22:04:39 +0000
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 05/12/2024 11:50, Davey wrote:
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an
    order with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the
    time. I ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the
    order, I was told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I
    live in the area bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and
    Norwich, so not out in the unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible time
    in the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer
    Service? What's that?

    You should have given them details (like a post code) at the outset.
    Whenever I access their website, they always ask me to log in or
    register right at the outset.

    Items which are in stock at one location may be out of stock at
    another, so having your post code is the only way they can decide
    what they can offer to you.

    It would have saved you a good deal of time.

    P.S. I'm fairly sure the same would apply if you tried to get a
    delivery from a conventional supermarket chain.


    It was the first time I had ever gone on to the Ocada website, and I
    followed the process as it was offered to me. It sucked. It made no
    mention of locations from which it dispatched goods, it let me build a
    list and then asked me to check out, and then told me that it could not deliver to my Postcode. It did not ask me for a Postcode at the outset.
    And despite their suggestion that I try again later, it is many, many
    months later, and they still will not deliver to my Postcode.


    Have you moved since the first asking? :-)

    Its not uncommon IME. We used to get Ocado deliveries at my last house
    but after moving about 2 miles away, they could not deliver here.


    --
    Cheers,

    John.

    /=================================================================\
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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to John Rumm on Sun Dec 8 19:34:42 2024
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 17:58:03 +0000
    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    On 06/12/2024 01:31, Davey wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 22:04:39 +0000
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 05/12/2024 11:50, Davey wrote:
    When I was diagnosed with COVID in June 2022, I tried to place an
    order with Ocada. They were having a TV advertising blitz at the
    time. I ordered over £40 of food, but when I came to place the
    order, I was told that they did not yet deliver to my Postcode. I
    live in the area bounded by Cambridge, Bury St. Edmunds, and
    Norwich, so not out in the unknown world by any means.
    Today, I thought to check again, as I am looking at a possible
    time in the future spent at home recovering from a heart valve
    operation.

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode. Customer
    Service? What's that?

    You should have given them details (like a post code) at the
    outset. Whenever I access their website, they always ask me to log
    in or register right at the outset.

    Items which are in stock at one location may be out of stock at
    another, so having your post code is the only way they can decide
    what they can offer to you.

    It would have saved you a good deal of time.

    P.S. I'm fairly sure the same would apply if you tried to get a
    delivery from a conventional supermarket chain.


    It was the first time I had ever gone on to the Ocada website, and I followed the process as it was offered to me. It sucked. It made no
    mention of locations from which it dispatched goods, it let me
    build a list and then asked me to check out, and then told me that
    it could not deliver to my Postcode. It did not ask me for a
    Postcode at the outset. And despite their suggestion that I try
    again later, it is many, many months later, and they still will not
    deliver to my Postcode.


    Have you moved since the first asking? :-)
    .

    --
    No.
    --
    Davey.

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 8 19:25:55 2024
    In message <5bcbeea90dcharles@candehope.me.uk>, at 09:08:02 on Sun, 8
    Dec 2024, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> remarked:
    What's desperate is Evri, who are a basket case in almost every(sic)
    respect. Last month I had an urgent delivery which I swapped to a local
    click-and-collect shop [a Tesco Express] because I might have been out
    at the unspecified time they could have chosen to deliver; but when I
    went to collect, was told I couldn't because their Evri gadget had been
    broken for days and therefore they couldn't log items in or out.

    was that Evri's fault?

    Yes, they should have delivered the Tesco Express a replacement gadget
    either same day or very early the next [from when it was reported
    broken].

    Round here, Evri are fine.

    Round here it's becoming the most posted Facebook Local Group thing.
    Typically "Evri say they delivered my item, and here's a photo of the
    doorstep, but it's not my doorstep - anyone recognise it?"
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sun Dec 8 21:08:47 2024
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 21:12:39 +0000
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/12/2024 20:14, GB wrote:
    On 07/12/2024 11:19, Davey wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:56:41 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/12/2024 00:33, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 20:48:44 +0000
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
    On 06/12/2024 16:52, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:44:33 +0000
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 06/12/2024 15:35, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:50:02 +0000, Davey
    <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    Guess what? They still don't deliver to my Postcode.
    Customer Service? What's that?

    But you are not a customer.

    I too would find it annoying to get all the way to check-out
    before finding I was outside the delivery area. That may have
    been operator error, or it may have been poor website design.
    Or, both.




    It certainly did not ask for my Postcode until well into the
    Checkout process.
    To refresh my memory I just went to their website.

    The opening page starts with (in very large print which nigh-on
    fills my display) "Start shopping the ridiculously easy way" and
    large button labelled "Book a Delivery".

    That the takes you to a "Log In or Register" page.  Assuming you
    don't already have an account with them, the "Register" process
    would take your address details.

    You certainly _could_ evade that, and go straight on to browsing
    the items for sale, but - especially if you had previously found
    they don't operate in your area - I'm not sure why you would
    choose that route.

    I certainly have a few complaints about how Odcado's system
    operates, but I can't go along with you on this one.


    My first attempt to use them was back in 2022. The website has
    probably been updated since then.

    Does entering your address in that first stage automatically tell
    you that they don't deliver to your Postcode?
    On my attempt recently, I deliberately went to the Postcode check
    first, but that was because of the 2022 debacle.

    If you had first attempted to book a delivery, as the website
    suggests you do, then you would have found out that there were no
    delivery slots available for your address.


    But did it suggest that back in June 2022 ? As far as I remember,
    I went through whatever process it led me through at the time.
    They have had 2 1/2 years to extend their range, when they
    suggested in 2022 that I try again later. 2 1/2 years qualifies as
    'later'.

    Do you feel, somehow, entitled to Ocado deliveries? So, you've been wronged?


    Perhaaps you need counselling. Such events can be truly traumatic


    Shrug. You win some, you lose some.
    Moving on...

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to charles on Fri Dec 13 00:47:57 2024
    On 08/12/2024 09:08, charles wrote:
    In article <ueoE6JN9RUVnFAbe@perry.uk>,
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <kZ15P.100$xFCa.77@fx14.ams1>, at 20:10:56 on Sat, 7 Dec
    2024, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> remarked:
    On 07/12/2024 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <lriurgFmrnbU1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:54:07 on Sat, 7
    Dec 2024, nib <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> remarked:

    I've not used Ocado a lot, just taking over from my wife who has
    used it for many years before becoming too ill, but as I found it
    the first thing you do is book a slot, and that process tells you
    the cost of the possible delivery times, which varies from zero
    upwards depending on the time and availability.

    Then you fill the basket.

    Then you check out.

    Then, up until a certain time usually the day before, you can add
    stuff and update the check out.

    Then it (usually) turns up at the set time.

    It's much the same with Tesco. Amazon not so much. I needed
    something earlier today, and despite having a paid-for Prime account, >>>> the earliest delivery they quoted was Tuesday (not Sunday) and no
    option to pick a specific slot.

    So I tried Screwfix, and they said "not in stock".

    My complaint about Amazon is that they often deliver earlier than they
    forecast.
    In the early hours of Tuesday morning the "Echo Show" that lives on my
    desk still told me to expect a delivery "Tomorrow" (i.e. Wednesday).
    It arrived a 1PM on Tuesday.

    Overall, Amazon are pretty reliable (but currently must be having an
    Xmas-rush or something, because predicted deliveries, even on Prime,
    have been extended).

    What's desperate is Evri, who are a basket case in almost every(sic)
    respect. Last month I had an urgent delivery which I swapped to a local
    click-and-collect shop [a Tesco Express] because I might have been out
    at the unspecified time they could have chosen to deliver; but when I
    went to collect, was told I couldn't because their Evri gadget had been
    broken for days and therefore they couldn't log items in or out.

    was that Evri's fault? Round here, Evri are fine.

    I can 'rely' on Evri to 'deliver' by dumping the parcel on the doorstep
    without bothering to ring the bell or knock.
    The only way I can tell that there is a parcel out there is if I check
    my emails.

    "Your parcel has been delivered!"

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Sam Plusnet on Fri Dec 13 10:38:52 2024
    On 13/12/2024 00:47, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 08/12/2024 09:08, charles wrote:

    I can 'rely' on Evri to 'deliver' by dumping the parcel on the doorstep without bothering to ring the bell or knock.
    The only way I can tell that there is a parcel out there is if I check
    my emails.

    "Your parcel has been delivered!"

    All too common. 'handed to resident'

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