So I thought that cruise control always turns off when you change gears.
But new car and van do not.
But to make it more confusing some of the vehicles are pretty much the
same with different badges and they do different things.
So
Skoda Octavia - turns off
Seat Leon - stays on
Both are VW Audi
Fiat Scudo - turns off
Peugot Expert - turns off
Citroen Dispatch - stays on
All the same and French.
I want it to turn off when I change gear but cannot find a way of
altering the settings. Is there a way?
I want it to turn off when I change gear but cannot find a way of
altering the settings. Is there a way?
So I thought that cruise control always turns off when you change gears.
But new car and van do not.
But to make it more confusing some of the vehicles are pretty much the
same with different badges and they do different things.
So
Skoda Octavia - turns off
Seat Leon - stays on
Both are VW Audi
Fiat Scudo - turns off
Peugot Expert - turns off
Citroen Dispatch - stays on
All the same and French.
I want it to turn off when I change gear but cannot find a way of
altering the settings. Is there a way?
So I thought that cruise control always turns off when you change gears.
But new car and van do not.
But to make it more confusing some of the vehicles are pretty much the
same with different badges and they do different things.
So
Skoda Octavia - turns off
Seat Leon - stays on
Both are VW Audi
Fiat Scudo - turns off
Peugot Expert - turns off
Citroen Dispatch - stays on
All the same and French.
I want it to turn off when I change gear but cannot find a way of
altering the settings. Is there a way?
On 10/12/2024 19:59, ARW wrote:
So I thought that cruise control always turns off when you change gears.
But new car and van do not.
But to make it more confusing some of the vehicles are pretty much the
same with different badges and they do different things.
So
Skoda Octavia - turns off
Seat Leon - stays on
Both are VW Audi
Fiat Scudo - turns off
Peugot Expert - turns off
Citroen Dispatch - stays on
All the same and French.
I want it to turn off when I change gear but cannot find a way of
altering the settings. Is there a way?
All the cars that I have driven, with cruise control, have turned it off
when the clutch is pressed. Indeed, I have often momentarily dipped the clutch to start dropping in speed prior to a stop, rather than press the
more fiddly disengage button.
We’ve had both types of CC in our cars. The first time I came across the “non-cutting out” variety it was quite disconcerting. You dab the brakes approaching a roundabout say only to have it start accelerating again.
After a pretty short learning curve I soon got used to it though and I don’t recall it being a problem after the initial surprise.
On 10/12/2024 19:59, ARW wrote:
So I thought that cruise control always turns off when you change gears.
But new car and van do not.
But to make it more confusing some of the vehicles are pretty much the
same with different badges and they do different things.
So
Skoda Octavia - turns off
Seat Leon - stays on
Both are VW Audi
Fiat Scudo - turns off
Peugot Expert - turns off
Citroen Dispatch - stays on
All the same and French.
I want it to turn off when I change gear but cannot find a way of
altering the settings. Is there a way?
All the cars that I have driven, with cruise control, have turned it off
when the clutch is pressed. Indeed, I have often momentarily dipped the clutch to start dropping in speed prior to a stop, rather than press the
more fiddly disengage button.
I'd certainly want it to disengage when I change gears, as I'd likely be speeding up and need a new setpoint or slowing down to either a new
speed or stop.
Not a worry for me though, as my daily car is an EV and has no gears and
my others cars have no cruise control.
The reason I want it to disengage when changing gear is that for example
in a 30 limit I approach a bend that would require you to slow down and
drop a gear. I prefer not to use the brakes as I was taught that way.
Although Chris mentions gearing down for a hill as his reason to do the opposite. I'll now be seeing how often I have to gear down for a hill.
I want it to turn off when I change gear but cannot find a way of
altering the settings. Is there a way?
All the cars that I have driven, with cruise control, have turned it off
when the clutch is pressed. Indeed, I have often momentarily dipped the
clutch to start dropping in speed prior to a stop, rather than press the
more fiddly disengage button.
We’ve had both types of CC in our cars. The first time I came across the “non-cutting out” variety it was quite disconcerting. You dab the brakes approaching a roundabout say only to have it start accelerating again.
After a pretty short learning curve I soon got used to it though and I don’t recall it being a problem after the initial surprise.
I didn't know that not all cruise controls will apply the brakes like it
did if you over shot the speed on a hill descent. The brakes started
coming on when you went 5mph faster
On 11/12/2024 18:37, ARW wrote:
Although Chris mentions gearing down for a hill as his reason to do
the opposite. I'll now be seeing how often I have to gear down for a
hill.
Or simply apply brakes
The reason I want it to disengage when changing gear is that for example
in a 30 limit I approach a bend that would require you to slow down and
drop a gear. I prefer not to use the brakes as I was taught that way.
On a motorway I have become adept at disengaging CC if I come up behind
a slower car and I am blocked from moving into the lane on my right, and
then pressing the resume button as soon as the overtaking car on my
right is far enough ahead of me that I can return to 70 or whatever my
chosen speed is.
On 11/12/2024 12:53, Tim+ wrote:
I want it to turn off when I change gear but cannot find a way of
altering the settings. Is there a way?
All the cars that I have driven, with cruise control, have turned it off >>> when the clutch is pressed. Indeed, I have often momentarily dipped the
clutch to start dropping in speed prior to a stop, rather than press the >>> more fiddly disengage button.
We’ve had both types of CC in our cars. The first time I came across the >> “non-cutting out” variety it was quite disconcerting. You dab the brakes
approaching a roundabout say only to have it start accelerating again.
After a pretty short learning curve I soon got used to it though and I
don’t recall it being a problem after the initial surprise.
I thought that all CCs disengaged when you pressed the footbrake, but
that some allowed it to continue when you press and release the clutch
as part of changing gear.
On 11/12/2024 11:00, SteveW wrote:
On 10/12/2024 19:59, ARW wrote:
So I thought that cruise control always turns off when you change gears. >>>
But new car and van do not.
But to make it more confusing some of the vehicles are pretty much
the same with different badges and they do different things.
So
Skoda Octavia - turns off
Seat Leon - stays on
Both are VW Audi
Fiat Scudo - turns off
Peugot Expert - turns off
Citroen Dispatch - stays on
All the same and French.
I want it to turn off when I change gear but cannot find a way of
altering the settings. Is there a way?
All the cars that I have driven, with cruise control, have turned it
off when the clutch is pressed. Indeed, I have often momentarily
dipped the clutch to start dropping in speed prior to a stop, rather
than press the more fiddly disengage button.
I'd certainly want it to disengage when I change gears, as I'd likely
be speeding up and need a new setpoint or slowing down to either a new
speed or stop.
Not a worry for me though, as my daily car is an EV and has no gears
and my others cars have no cruise control.
The reason I want it to disengage when changing gear is that for example
in a 30 limit I approach a bend that would require you to slow down and
drop a gear. I prefer not to use the brakes as I was taught that way.
Although Chris mentions gearing down for a hill as his reason to do the opposite. I'll now be seeing how often I have to gear down for a hill.
The reason I want it to disengage when changing gear is that for
example in a 30 limit I approach a bend that would require you to slow
down and drop a gear. I prefer not to use the brakes as I was taught
that way.
Time you went on a driving style update. If you were forced to have a
re-test you may Modern cars are designed to be slowed by the brakes and
have weedy clutches.. From the Institute of Advanced Motorists
https://www.iam-bristol.org.uk/index.php/articles/driving-tips/76- brakes-to-slow-gears-to-go
"Those of us who were taught to drive years ago were conditioned to move
our way up and down the gear box systematically – 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1. But that's because vehicles in those days had inferior brakes and we needed
to bring the cars to a halt by using the drag of the transmission.
These days, we recommend "block changing". Use the brakes to slow down, then, when the speed is right; choose the gear that is best for that
speed. So, when approaching a red traffic light you may move from fifth gear, say, straight to first, after you have finished braking. Brake
pads are cheaper to replace than clutches and transmission."
I also tend to stay in the same gear as I go round the bend (unless IThat's when I get frustrated at your inability to drive and overtake you.
need engine braking) and change when I want to accelerate out of the
bend as it straightens out.
On 11/12/2024 19:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/12/2024 18:37, ARW wrote:
Although Chris mentions gearing down for a hill as his reason to do
the opposite. I'll now be seeing how often I have to gear down for a
hill.
Or simply apply brakes
I tend to change down just before the start of the hill while I'm on the level (*) if it is a long steep one (Sutton Bank, Porlock Hill, or the
one near Broadway), though disc brakes are a lot less prone to fading
than drum brakes were. I'm not sure which my last car was that had drum brakes. My wife remembers being a passenger in a friend's motor-caravan
with drum brakes all round going down Porlock Hill and there were clouds
of smoke coming from the brakes by the bottom because he didn't know
about changing to a lower gear for extra engine braking.
On 11/12/2024 20:49, NY wrote:
On 11/12/2024 19:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/12/2024 18:37, ARW wrote:
Although Chris mentions gearing down for a hill as his reason to do
the opposite. I'll now be seeing how often I have to gear down for a
hill.
Or simply apply brakes
I tend to change down just before the start of the hill while I'm on
the level (*) if it is a long steep one (Sutton Bank, Porlock Hill, or
the one near Broadway), though disc brakes are a lot less prone to
fading than drum brakes were. I'm not sure which my last car was that
had drum brakes. My wife remembers being a passenger in a friend's
motor-caravan with drum brakes all round going down Porlock Hill and
there were clouds of smoke coming from the brakes by the bottom
because he didn't know about changing to a lower gear for extra engine
braking.
Most peoples recollection of Porlock hill is the clouds of smoke and
steam after going UP it :-)
On 11/12/2024 19:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/12/2024 18:37, ARW wrote:
Although Chris mentions gearing down for a hill as his reason to do
the opposite. I'll now be seeing how often I have to gear down for a
hill.
Or simply apply brakes
(*) I remember the infamous Dibble's Bridge coach crash between Pateley Bridge and Grassington, when a coach got out of control because the
driver missed engaging a lower gear on the descent, and then couldn't
engage *any* gear so he went down in neutral (effectively) and the
brakes weren't good enough. Every time I go down there, I think of the
people that died in that crash.
On 11/12/2024 20:49, NY wrote:
I also tend to stay in the same gear as I go round the bend (unless IThat's when I get frustrated at your inability to drive and overtake you.
need engine braking) and change when I want to accelerate out of the
bend as it straightens out.
On 12/12/2024 10:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/12/2024 20:49, NY wrote:
I also tend to stay in the same gear as I go round the bend (unless IThat's when I get frustrated at your inability to drive and overtake
need engine braking) and change when I want to accelerate out of the
bend as it straightens out.
you.
When the car is slowing down due to braking and the engine is on
overrun, how does it benefit you to change down unless you need engine braking? All that matters is that you are able to change - maybe
directly, 6th to 3rd - to the correct gear for accelerating out of the
bend.
The days of changing down sequentially as you approach a hazard are long
gone - thankfully. What a palaver that was.
On 12/12/2024 10:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/12/2024 20:49, NY wrote:
I also tend to stay in the same gear as I go round the bend (unless IThat's when I get frustrated at your inability to drive and overtake you.
need engine braking) and change when I want to accelerate out of the
bend as it straightens out.
When the car is slowing down due to braking and the engine is on overrun,
how does it benefit you to change down unless you need engine braking? All that matters is that you are able to change - maybe directly, 6th to 3rd -
to the correct gear for accelerating out of the bend.
The days of changing down sequentially as you approach a hazard are long
gone - thankfully. What a palaver that was.
On 12/12/2024 23:59, NY wrote:
On 12/12/2024 10:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Because a typical gear change leads matey plodding around with no power fumbling for the gear lever and taking probably the best part of a
On 11/12/2024 20:49, NY wrote:
I also tend to stay in the same gear as I go round the bend (unlessThat's when I get frustrated at your inability to drive and
I need engine braking) and change when I want to accelerate out of
the bend as it straightens out.
overtake you.
When the car is slowing down due to braking and the engine is on
overrun, how does it benefit you to change down unless you need engine
braking? All that matters is that you are able to change - maybe
directly, 6th to 3rd - to the correct gear for accelerating out of the
bend.
second to get himself organised. He isn't driving the car, the car is
driving him.
Use the approach to the corner to select the gear you need to be in
after it, just as you should change down before the steep climb.
The days of changing down sequentially as you approach a hazard are
long gone - thankfully. What a palaver that was.
I was taught not to use it in 1968/9
On 13/12/2024 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Normal test.
On 12/12/2024 23:59, NY wrote:
The days of changing down sequentially as you approach a hazard are
long gone - thankfully. What a palaver that was.
I was taught not to use it in 1968/9
For the normal test or the IAM advanced test?
My instructor told me that
sequential changes were what the normal test required. After I'd passed,
he said "sequential changes are a load of bollocks - it pains me to have
to teach people to do it but it's what the test demands". And then he
gave me a lesson on how to drive well rather than to pass the test - and
one of the things he mentioned was block changes, though in just one
"after passing" lesson he couldn't do much to retrain me. That was left
until about 10 years later when I passed the IAM test.
So if you were taught block changes in 1968 for the normal test then it
must have allowed it in those days which from what I was told/taught it didn't in 1981.
On 13/12/2024 18:13, NY wrote:
On 13/12/2024 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/12/2024 23:59, NY wrote:
Normal test.The days of changing down sequentially as you approach a hazard are
long gone - thankfully. What a palaver that was.
I was taught not to use it in 1968/9
For the normal test or the IAM advanced test?
My instructor told me that sequential changes were what the normal
test required. After I'd passed, he said "sequential changes are a
load of bollocks - it pains me to have to teach people to do it but
it's what the test demands". And then he gave me a lesson on how to
drive well rather than to pass the test - and one of the things he
mentioned was block changes, though in just one "after passing" lesson
he couldn't do much to retrain me. That was left until about 10 years
later when I passed the IAM test.
So if you were taught block changes in 1968 for the normal test then
it must have allowed it in those days which from what I was told/
taught it didn't in 1981.
*shrug*. plenty of idiots on the roads who cant really drive, and the
test is merely a bit of paper.
In the end you learn to drive after test because you want to be safer
and faster or you never learn anything ever again.
On 13/12/2024 18:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/12/2024 18:13, NY wrote:
On 13/12/2024 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Normal test.
On 12/12/2024 23:59, NY wrote:
The days of changing down sequentially as you approach a hazard are
long gone - thankfully. What a palaver that was.
I was taught not to use it in 1968/9
For the normal test or the IAM advanced test?
My instructor told me that sequential changes were what the normal
test required. After I'd passed, he said "sequential changes are a
load of bollocks - it pains me to have to teach people to do it but
it's what the test demands". And then he gave me a lesson on how to
drive well rather than to pass the test - and one of the things he
mentioned was block changes, though in just one "after passing"
lesson he couldn't do much to retrain me. That was left until about
10 years later when I passed the IAM test.
So if you were taught block changes in 1968 for the normal test then
it must have allowed it in those days which from what I was told/
taught it didn't in 1981.
*shrug*. plenty of idiots on the roads who cant really drive, and the
test is merely a bit of paper.
In the end you learn to drive after test because you want to be safer
and faster or you never learn anything ever again.
This is very weird. I'd always understood that sequential changes were mandatory for the normal test until a couple of decades ago (long after
I passed my test), even if Roadcraft and the IAM had been recommending
block changes for a long time before that. My instructor had been a
Police Class 1 driving instructor before he retired, so he would have
taught me block changes if the test had allowed it - that's what he told
me once I passed, when he was giving me a "now I'll show you how to
drive properly rather than to pass the test" lesson. I wonder if he had misunderstood what the test required and maybe block changes *were*
allowed as an alternative to sequential, which would fit in with your experience. One of life's mysteries.
I remember when I was preparing for my advanced test in 1990, it took a
bit of un-learning to get out of the habit of sequential changes, and
also to learn how to brake progressively - gently at first, gradually increasing, then decreasing again to almost no brake as the car was
about to come to rest, which gave smoother braking. Push-pull of the
steering wheel came fairly easily, even though I'd got into bad habits
before then.
A few years after passing the IAM test, I was part of a group who was learning at night school how to make videos. The story that we devised
had a scene which needed some interior driving shots. I offered to be
the driver whose hands would be seen. The guy who was in charge said
"you drive too much like an expert or a traffic cop, rather than like a normal person" so I had to cross my hands and do the "mechanic's grip"
(palm facing me, gripping the steering wheel from the opposite side) in
the interests of "art" ;-) I actually found it surprisingly difficult to regress to older ways.
Hopefully my IAM lessons have taught me a little bit of a sixth-sense as
to what other drivers might be about to do, and to drive more
efficiently, making clutch, brake and tyres last a bit longer. I'm a
long way off being perfect, but maybe I'm slightly better than average. Certainly I control my speed with my accelerator rather than my
footbrake more than many people - lifting off the power earlier and
letting friction, air resistance and gradient slow me down initially,
whereas I've ridden with some people who are either on the power or on
the footbrake with nothing in between.
The one skill I've never been able to learn (never mind master!) is double-declutching because I've only ever driven cars with working synchromesh so you can never tell whether you are doing it right or
wrong because the gear will engage equally easily in either case.
On 13/12/2024 18:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/12/2024 18:13, NY wrote:
On 13/12/2024 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/12/2024 23:59, NY wrote:
Normal test.The days of changing down sequentially as you approach a hazard
are long gone - thankfully. What a palaver that was.
I was taught not to use it in 1968/9
For the normal test or the IAM advanced test?
My instructor told me that sequential changes were what the normal
test required. After I'd passed, he said "sequential changes are a
load of bollocks - it pains me to have to teach people to do it
but it's what the test demands". And then he gave me a lesson on
how to drive well rather than to pass the test - and one of the
things he mentioned was block changes, though in just one "after
passing" lesson he couldn't do much to retrain me. That was left
until about 10 years later when I passed the IAM test.
So if you were taught block changes in 1968 for the normal test
then it must have allowed it in those days which from what I was
told/ taught it didn't in 1981.
*shrug*. plenty of idiots on the roads who cant really drive, and
the test is merely a bit of paper.
In the end you learn to drive after test because you want to be
safer and faster or you never learn anything ever again.
This is very weird. I'd always understood that sequential changes
were mandatory for the normal test until a couple of decades ago
(long after I passed my test), even if Roadcraft and the IAM had been recommending block changes for a long time before that. My instructor
had been a Police Class 1 driving instructor before he retired, so he
would have taught me block changes if the test had allowed it -
that's what he told me once I passed, when he was giving me a "now
I'll show you how to drive properly rather than to pass the test"
lesson. I wonder if he had misunderstood what the test required and
maybe block changes *were* allowed as an alternative to sequential,
which would fit in with your experience. One of life's mysteries.
I remember when I was preparing for my advanced test in 1990, it took
a bit of un-learning to get out of the habit of sequential changes,
and also to learn how to brake progressively - gently at first,
gradually increasing, then decreasing again to almost no brake as the
car was about to come to rest, which gave smoother braking. Push-pull
of the steering wheel came fairly easily, even though I'd got into
bad habits before then.
A few years after passing the IAM test, I was part of a group who was learning at night school how to make videos. The story that we
devised had a scene which needed some interior driving shots. I
offered to be the driver whose hands would be seen. The guy who was
in charge said "you drive too much like an expert or a traffic cop,
rather than like a normal person" so I had to cross my hands and do
the "mechanic's grip" (palm facing me, gripping the steering wheel
from the opposite side) in the interests of "art" ;-) I actually
found it surprisingly difficult to regress to older ways.
Hopefully my IAM lessons have taught me a little bit of a sixth-sense
as to what other drivers might be about to do, and to drive more
efficiently, making clutch, brake and tyres last a bit longer. I'm a
long way off being perfect, but maybe I'm slightly better than
average. Certainly I control my speed with my accelerator rather than
my footbrake more than many people - lifting off the power earlier
and letting friction, air resistance and gradient slow me down
initially, whereas I've ridden with some people who are either on the
power or on the footbrake with nothing in between.
Clutch life must have been
measured in moths rather than years.
On 14/12/2024 12:43, Davey wrote:
Clutch life must have been
measured in moths rather than years.
An interesting unit, the Moth.
I have never ever replaced a clutch on any car I ever drove.
Except after a total engine out/rebore/regrind/ lighten/balance/hot
camshaft swap, and that wasn't because it was gone, but because it
was cheap and easy to do.
People who slip the clutch rather than changing down make my hackles
rise.
There is no need. Apart from starting from rest.
If tou cant do clutch control properly buy an automatic.
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