• Remote (that is, when away from the house) control thermostat

    From David@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 16 16:50:29 2024
    Having been away for a few days with the CH on a low setting, it took a
    couple of hours to bring the house back up to temperature.
    Not a big thing, but it did make me wonder about a thermostat which could
    be controlled remotely over the Internet.
    Preferably without relying on a 3rd party server which might vanish in the future.

    Does anyone have such a set up?

    We don't have any investment in home automation, or Alexa et. al. so it
    would have to be more or less from scratch.

    The router has VPN capability built in, as well as other things, so
    connecting into a server on the home LAN would be possible.
    Raspberry Pi or two floating about as well.

    This isn't a vital feature, more of "I wonder if..".

    Cheers



    Dave R

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to David on Mon Dec 16 16:55:02 2024
    David wrote:

    it did make me wonder about a thermostat which could
    be controlled remotely over the Internet.
    Preferably without relying on a 3rd party server which might vanish in the future.

    Does anyone have such a set up?

    Indirectly ... I have a heatmiser wifi programmable thermostat, you can
    expose it to the internet via port-forwarding and use a mobile app, but
    the app was found to have totally shit security, so I only allow it from
    local IP addresses ... but I have a VPN.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to David on Mon Dec 16 17:41:34 2024
    On 16/12/2024 16:50, David wrote:
    Having been away for a few days with the CH on a low setting, it took a couple of hours to bring the house back up to temperature.
    Not a big thing, but it did make me wonder about a thermostat which could
    be controlled remotely over the Internet.
    Preferably without relying on a 3rd party server which might vanish in the future.

    Does anyone have such a set up?

    Yup. but you wouldnt like it


    We don't have any investment in home automation, or Alexa et. al. so it
    would have to be more or less from scratch.

    As was mine

    The router has VPN capability built in, as well as other things, so connecting into a server on the home LAN would be possible.
    Raspberry Pi or two floating about as well.

    This isn't a vital feature, more of "I wonder if..".

    I have a Pi Zero W running code attached to my own 4 mains relay board
    running a small website that accepts data from thermometers based on Pi
    PICO Ws and has a fairly complex set of rules as to what temperature at
    what time. Its a 4 zone setup - one is DHW - but only 3 are currently in
    use.

    You need to be able to at leats understand C and Linux and be able to
    solder to make it all work, but happy to provide PCBs, 3D printed cases
    and code if you are interested

    Cheers



    Dave R


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  • From David@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Mon Dec 16 19:30:23 2024
    On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 17:41:34 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 16/12/2024 16:50, David wrote:
    Having been away for a few days with the CH on a low setting, it took a
    couple of hours to bring the house back up to temperature.
    Not a big thing, but it did make me wonder about a thermostat which
    could be controlled remotely over the Internet.
    Preferably without relying on a 3rd party server which might vanish in
    the future.

    Does anyone have such a set up?

    Yup. but you wouldnt like it


    We don't have any investment in home automation, or Alexa et. al. so it
    would have to be more or less from scratch.

    As was mine

    The router has VPN capability built in, as well as other things, so
    connecting into a server on the home LAN would be possible.
    Raspberry Pi or two floating about as well.

    This isn't a vital feature, more of "I wonder if..".

    I have a Pi Zero W running code attached to my own 4 mains relay board running a small website that accepts data from thermometers based on Pi
    PICO Ws and has a fairly complex set of rules as to what temperature at
    what time. Its a 4 zone setup - one is DHW - but only 3 are currently in
    use.

    You need to be able to at leats understand C and Linux and be able to
    solder to make it all work, but happy to provide PCBs, 3D printed cases
    and code if you are interested

    I can understand C, and have even programmed in it a long while back.

    I used to be a Unix systems administrator at one time as well, so I
    understand Linux and have run it in the past but have no real need for it
    at present.

    I can solder(ish) but not as well as an amateur electronics enthusiast.

    Thank you for the very generous offer.
    At the moment I have a massive backlog of things to do so a DIY project of
    this kind would be too much additional load.

    I was really looking for a "look! shiny!" at an amazingly cheap price.
    It is almost Xmas and a passing sled might chuck something out.

    Cheers



    Dave R





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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to David on Mon Dec 16 21:45:34 2024
    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Thank you for the very generous offer.
    At the moment I have a massive backlog of things to do so a DIY project of this kind would be too much additional load.

    I was really looking for a "look! shiny!" at an amazingly cheap price.
    It is almost Xmas and a passing sled might chuck something out.

    Search your favourite tat bazaar for 'wifi thermostat'. You can get them
    from about £20 - Moes is one brand and they're usually on the Tuya smart platform. You can control them from the (Chinese) app.

    They have relay outputs for heat and some do hot water. But what I'd
    suggest is put it in series/parallel with your existing wall thermostat.
    Then you set the wall stat to an 'idle' state and the wifi stat takes over.
    eg if in parallel, you'd set the old stat to say 5C as a frost stat and the smart stat would call for heat by shorting it. Or for series, if you're worried about being roasted by a faulty smart stat you might set the wall
    stat to the maximum safe temp and allow the smart stat to turn off the heat
    to keep it lower than this. Maybe you could have a bypass switch to remove
    the smart stat from circuit to put things back to normal when you're at
    home.

    It's all pretty crude, but if you have an old heating system then it matches the crudeness.

    Theo

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  • From Clive Page@21:1/5 to David on Mon Dec 16 22:05:28 2024
    On 16/12/2024 16:50, David wrote:
    Having been away for a few days with the CH on a low setting, it took a couple of hours to bring the house back up to temperature.
    Not a big thing, but it did make me wonder about a thermostat which could
    be controlled remotely over the Internet.
    Preferably without relying on a 3rd party server which might vanish in the future.

    Does anyone have such a set up?

    I was in a similar situation, and solved it by buying a Tapo Smart Plug, which you can get from Toolstation, Argos etc for about £10. It's programmable from an App on your smartphone, assuming you have one.

    All I've done is plug in the central heating system via this smartplug and turn it off when we leave, and then on again a few hours before we are due back to allow the house to warm up. This avoids all wiring changes, as would be needed to put in an
    alternative or duplicate thermostat.

    With my setup, it means that the normal timeswitch is off the whole time that we are away, so depletes its backup battery which keeps the clock in sync, but so far that hasn't been a problem. The Tapo has a lot of functions that I have not used, but for
    merely remotely turning something on/off it seems fine. I've used it twice for short holidays so far, and it's worked fine. I was even considering getting another Tapo or two to control lights etc.

    You have to set the Tapo up with your wifi router, but it's a fairly simple process. This probably means your wifi password gets passed to the Chinese Government, but I expect they know it already. In fact I was a bit surprised that Tapo didn't tell me
    what my password was rather than have me tell it - this friend of Prince Andrew obviously hasn't been doing his stuff properly. :-)

    I too wondered about making something myself with a Raspberry Pi and a bit of programming and soldering, but if you can get a gizmo off the shelf that does the job almost instanly, why bother, I thought.

    Regards
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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Roger Mills on Mon Dec 16 22:06:09 2024
    Roger Mills wrote:

    My Hive system provides remote control very effective. (As would a nest system, I believe).

    But they do rely on a remote server which could - in theory - disappear
    at any time.

    Which the server for the older Nest cameras did ...

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Clive Page on Tue Dec 17 16:11:35 2024
    On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 22:05:28 +0000, Clive Page wrote:

    On 16/12/2024 16:50, David wrote:
    Having been away for a few days with the CH on a low setting, it took a
    couple of hours to bring the house back up to temperature.
    Not a big thing, but it did make me wonder about a thermostat which
    could be controlled remotely over the Internet.
    Preferably without relying on a 3rd party server which might vanish in
    the future.

    Does anyone have such a set up?

    I was in a similar situation, and solved it by buying a Tapo Smart Plug, which you can get from Toolstation, Argos etc for about £10. It's programmable from an App on your smartphone, assuming you have one.

    All I've done is plug in the central heating system via this smartplug
    and turn it off when we leave, and then on again a few hours before we
    are due back to allow the house to warm up. This avoids all wiring
    changes, as would be needed to put in an alternative or duplicate
    thermostat.

    With my setup, it means that the normal timeswitch is off the whole time
    that we are away, so depletes its backup battery which keeps the clock
    in sync, but so far that hasn't been a problem. The Tapo has a lot of functions that I have not used, but for merely remotely turning
    something on/off it seems fine. I've used it twice for short holidays
    so far, and it's worked fine. I was even considering getting another
    Tapo or two to control lights etc.

    You have to set the Tapo up with your wifi router, but it's a fairly
    simple process. This probably means your wifi password gets passed to
    the Chinese Government, but I expect they know it already. In fact I
    was a bit surprised that Tapo didn't tell me what my password was rather
    than have me tell it - this friend of Prince Andrew obviously hasn't
    been doing his stuff properly. :-)

    I too wondered about making something myself with a Raspberry Pi and a
    bit of programming and soldering, but if you can get a gizmo off the
    shelf that does the job almost instanly, why bother, I thought.

    Regards

    I already have a wireless thermostat (Honeywell or near offer) so I don't
    have a wall thermostat.
    The solution would have to work alongside this thermostat, or replace it completely as far as I can see at the moment.

    I can't just turn the CH off because I need frost protection - in fact the
    home insurance requires a minimum temperature to be maintained when the
    house is left empty.

    We travel abroad over winter sometimes, and we also use our motor Home all
    year round.

    Cheers



    Dave R


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  • From Tricky Dicky@21:1/5 to David on Tue Dec 17 17:13:17 2024
    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 22:05:28 +0000, Clive Page wrote:

    On 16/12/2024 16:50, David wrote:
    Having been away for a few days with the CH on a low setting, it took a
    couple of hours to bring the house back up to temperature.
    Not a big thing, but it did make me wonder about a thermostat which
    could be controlled remotely over the Internet.
    Preferably without relying on a 3rd party server which might vanish in
    the future.

    Does anyone have such a set up?

    I was in a similar situation, and solved it by buying a Tapo Smart Plug,
    which you can get from Toolstation, Argos etc for about £10. It's
    programmable from an App on your smartphone, assuming you have one.

    All I've done is plug in the central heating system via this smartplug
    and turn it off when we leave, and then on again a few hours before we
    are due back to allow the house to warm up. This avoids all wiring
    changes, as would be needed to put in an alternative or duplicate
    thermostat.

    With my setup, it means that the normal timeswitch is off the whole time
    that we are away, so depletes its backup battery which keeps the clock
    in sync, but so far that hasn't been a problem. The Tapo has a lot of
    functions that I have not used, but for merely remotely turning
    something on/off it seems fine. I've used it twice for short holidays
    so far, and it's worked fine. I was even considering getting another
    Tapo or two to control lights etc.

    You have to set the Tapo up with your wifi router, but it's a fairly
    simple process. This probably means your wifi password gets passed to
    the Chinese Government, but I expect they know it already. In fact I
    was a bit surprised that Tapo didn't tell me what my password was rather
    than have me tell it - this friend of Prince Andrew obviously hasn't
    been doing his stuff properly. :-)

    I too wondered about making something myself with a Raspberry Pi and a
    bit of programming and soldering, but if you can get a gizmo off the
    shelf that does the job almost instanly, why bother, I thought.

    Regards

    I already have a wireless thermostat (Honeywell or near offer) so I don't have a wall thermostat.
    The solution would have to work alongside this thermostat, or replace it completely as far as I can see at the moment.

    I can't just turn the CH off because I need frost protection - in fact the home insurance requires a minimum temperature to be maintained when the
    house is left empty.

    We travel abroad over winter sometimes, and we also use our motor Home all year round.

    Cheers



    Dave R



    Like Roger we have Hive Smart thermostat and Hive Smart TRVs on all but the bathroom radiator and the minimum temp you set by default is 7degC. At the
    last house with the boiler sited in the garage we had a frost stat
    alongside and the minimum you could set was 4degC.

    Richard

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