alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
https://youtu.be/sRIc9YIfkn4?t=54
These appear to be their lower cost, lower quality versions of double
mains sockets, made in China
Nightmare. I bet those have been installed everywhere over the last 6 years. There are probably housing estates and hotels full of them.
Nothing I can see from MK/Honeywell as to what they're going to do about it.
I thought I'd put one in the other week - a random socket from the junk box so the wrapper is thrown away, but my Toolstation order history from 2020 suggests it was the Logic Plus K2747 not the Essentials MV2747.
Theo
https://youtu.be/sRIc9YIfkn4?t=54
These appear to be their lower cost, lower quality versions of double
mains sockets, made in China
On 16/12/2024 20:11, Theo wrote:
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
https://youtu.be/sRIc9YIfkn4?t=54
These appear to be their lower cost, lower quality versions of double
mains sockets, made in China
Nightmare. I bet those have been installed everywhere over the last 6
years.
There are probably housing estates and hotels full of them.
Nothing I can see from MK/Honeywell as to what they're going to do
about it.
I thought I'd put one in the other week - a random socket from the
junk box
so the wrapper is thrown away, but my Toolstation order history from 2020
suggests it was the Logic Plus K2747 not the Essentials MV2747.
Theo
MK Logic Plus fittings are easy to identify by their profile,
surely ?.
https://youtu.be/sRIc9YIfkn4?t=54
These appear to be their lower cost, lower quality versions of double
mains sockets, made in China
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in news:lsbe4qFmm9vU1@mid.individual.net:
https://youtu.be/sRIc9YIfkn4?t=54
These appear to be their lower cost, lower quality versions of double
mains sockets, made in China
Thx.
For info, if anyone wishes to circumvent youtube's latest Ad pushing
platform changes with pauses at 49 secs whilst keeping Ad blockers in
place can I suggest modifying YT links to embedded ones eg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRIc9YIfkn4
https://www.youtube.com/embed/sRIc9YIfkn4
On 17/12/2024 09:07, fred wrote:
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in
news:lsbe4qFmm9vU1@mid.individual.net:
https://youtu.be/sRIc9YIfkn4?t=54
These appear to be their lower cost, lower quality versions of double
mains sockets, made in China
Thx.
For info, if anyone wishes to circumvent youtube's latest Ad pushing
platform changes with pauses at 49 secs whilst keeping Ad blockers in
place can I suggest modifying YT links to embedded ones eg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRIc9YIfkn4
https://www.youtube.com/embed/sRIc9YIfkn4
Thanks. That's interesting. I had 10 mins free, so :
https://unrivaled-griffin-696f6f.netlify.app/
Maybe, there's room on the wiki?
https://youtu.be/sRIc9YIfkn4?t=54
These appear to be their lower cost, lower quality versions of double
mains sockets, made in China
I wonder what the consequences will be (cf flammable cladding?).
Replacing the defective products will be the easy bit, but what about
sites where these have been installed over the past six years?
On 17/12/2024 17:27, Scott wrote:
I wonder what the consequences will be (cf flammable cladding?).
Replacing the defective products will be the easy bit, but what about
sites where these have been installed over the past six years?
The safety report says:
Corrective measures: Products removed from market.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6751edf819e0c816d18d1e3b/2411-0130-product-safety-report-3-pin-socket-with-switches.pdf
This is widely reported as a recall, but it's not clear yet what MK are
doing about products already in the field.
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 17:45:57 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
wrote:
On 17/12/2024 17:27, Scott wrote:I know what it says but I am (as I said) looking at the consequences. Removing it from the market clearly does not deal with the safety
I wonder what the consequences will be (cf flammable cladding?).
Replacing the defective products will be the easy bit, but what about
sites where these have been installed over the past six years?
The safety report says:
Corrective measures: Products removed from market.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6751edf819e0c816d18d1e3b/2411-0130-product-safety-report-3-pin-socket-with-switches.pdf
issues relating to those already installed. When a car is unsafe, I
assume you are not suggesting that removing it from the market is
sufficient, with no need to rectify the vehicles already in use?
This is widely reported as a recall, but it's not clear yet what MK are
doing about products already in the field.
On 17/12/2024 18:12, Scott wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 17:45:57 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
wrote:
On 17/12/2024 17:27, Scott wrote:I know what it says but I am (as I said) looking at the consequences.
I wonder what the consequences will be (cf flammable cladding?).
Replacing the defective products will be the easy bit, but what about
sites where these have been installed over the past six years?
The safety report says:
Corrective measures: Products removed from market.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6751edf819e0c816d18d1e3b/2411-0130-product-safety-report-3-pin-socket-with-switches.pdf
Removing it from the market clearly does not deal with the safety
issues relating to those already installed. When a car is unsafe, I
assume you are not suggesting that removing it from the market is
sufficient, with no need to rectify the vehicles already in use?
That's exactly what's happened with asbestos, for example.
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in news:lsbe4qFmm9vU1@mid.individual.net:
https://youtu.be/sRIc9YIfkn4?t=54
These appear to be their lower cost, lower quality versions of double
mains sockets, made in China
Thx.
For info, if anyone wishes to circumvent youtube's latest Ad pushing
platform changes with pauses at 49 secs whilst keeping Ad blockers in
place can I suggest modifying YT links to embedded ones eg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRIc9YIfkn4
https://www.youtube.com/embed/sRIc9YIfkn4
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 17:45:57 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
wrote:
On 17/12/2024 17:27, Scott wrote:I know what it says but I am (as I said) looking at the consequences. Removing it from the market clearly does not deal with the safety
I wonder what the consequences will be (cf flammable cladding?).
Replacing the defective products will be the easy bit, but what about
sites where these have been installed over the past six years?
The safety report says:
Corrective measures: Products removed from market.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6751edf819e0c816d18d1e3b/2411-0130-product-safety-report-3-pin-socket-with-switches.pdf
issues relating to those already installed. When a car is unsafe, I
assume you are not suggesting that removing it from the market is
sufficient, with no need to rectify the vehicles already in use?
Review of MK Logic Plus vs Essential products.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osbADF3sOHU
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Review of MK Logic Plus vs Essential products.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osbADF3sOHU
Thanks. I hadn't twigged that the Essentials ones have removable faceplates >but the Logic Plus don't. That should make it fairly easy to spot from the >outside what you have.
On 17/12/2024 18:12, Scott wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 17:45:57 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
wrote:
On 17/12/2024 17:27, Scott wrote:I know what it says but I am (as I said) looking at the consequences.
I wonder what the consequences will be (cf flammable cladding?).
Replacing the defective products will be the easy bit, but what about
sites where these have been installed over the past six years?
The safety report says:
Corrective measures: Products removed from market.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6751edf819e0c816d18d1e3b/2411-0130-product-safety-report-3-pin-socket-with-switches.pdf
Removing it from the market clearly does not deal with the safety
issues relating to those already installed. When a car is unsafe, I
assume you are not suggesting that removing it from the market is
sufficient, with no need to rectify the vehicles already in use?
That question might be better addressed over at uk.legal.moderated.
On 17 Dec 2024 19:59:31 +0000 (GMT), Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Review of MK Logic Plus vs Essential products.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osbADF3sOHU
Thanks. I hadn't twigged that the Essentials ones have removable faceplates >but the Logic Plus don't. That should make it fairly easy to spot from the >outside what you have.
I wondered about this. Could it be that the main unit is not MK but
just an unbranded product with an MK faceplate fitted, sold as MK?
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 17 Dec 2024 19:59:31 +0000 (GMT), Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:I wondered about this. Could it be that the main unit is not MK but
Review of MK Logic Plus vs Essential products.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osbADF3sOHU
Thanks. I hadn't twigged that the Essentials ones have removable faceplates
but the Logic Plus don't. That should make it fairly easy to spot from the >> >outside what you have.
just an unbranded product with an MK faceplate fitted, sold as MK?
A comment on that video from 3 years ago:
"I now believe these are not even made by MK, but a Chinese OEM (and the
same one BG uses, so the quality is decent enough for the MK brand and >guarantee). These plastics will scratch and discolour easily."
The suggestion seems to be they're made for other markets which use UK >sockets (Malaysia, Oman, etc) where a quid or two difference in price
is a big deal when you're paying an electrician $2 an hour to install them.
They're sold as MK by Honeywell who now own the brand, but perhaps design
and manufacture is contracted to the Chinese OEM.
Theo
(who recently took two brand new CED switches out of packets, to find one >didn't work and on the other the snap action was lumpy. CED are now on my >avoid list)
is cross-posting discouraged?
Was it wise then for MK / Honeywell to promote and sell them in the UK risking their reputation for quality? Will the public not associate
them in years to come as purveyors of crap?
On 17 Dec 2024 20:42:14 +0000 (GMT), Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 17 Dec 2024 19:59:31 +0000 (GMT), Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:I wondered about this. Could it be that the main unit is not MK but
Review of MK Logic Plus vs Essential products.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osbADF3sOHU
Thanks. I hadn't twigged that the Essentials ones have removable faceplates
but the Logic Plus don't. That should make it fairly easy to spot from the
outside what you have.
just an unbranded product with an MK faceplate fitted, sold as MK?
A comment on that video from 3 years ago:
"I now believe these are not even made by MK, but a Chinese OEM (and the >same one BG uses, so the quality is decent enough for the MK brand and >guarantee). These plastics will scratch and discolour easily."
The suggestion seems to be they're made for other markets which use UK >sockets (Malaysia, Oman, etc) where a quid or two difference in price
is a big deal when you're paying an electrician $2 an hour to install them.
They're sold as MK by Honeywell who now own the brand, but perhaps design >and manufacture is contracted to the Chinese OEM.
Was it wise then for MK / Honeywell to promote and sell them in the UK risking their reputation for quality? Will the public not associate
them in years to come as purveyors of crap?
Theo
(who recently took two brand new CED switches out of packets, to find one >didn't work and on the other the snap action was lumpy. CED are now on my >avoid list)
This? https://www.ced-elec.co.uk/SearchResults/cms.jsp?menu_id=38&prodref=CEDSSK2ES&proddesc=2-Gang-Switched-Socket-13Amp---Economy&category=switches-sockets&catdesc=Switches-and-Sockets
I would tend not to buy any product with 'economy' in its name or any electrical component that states: 'Sorry. No documents are available
for this product'.
On 17/12/2024 20:49, Scott wrote:
Was it wise then for MK / Honeywell to promote and sell them in the UK
risking their reputation for quality? Will the public not associate
them in years to come as purveyors of crap?
MK may have a 'quality' reputation, but it hasnt been deserved for at
least 10 years now. Some of their output is very poor quality.
In 2013, they had to pay to have ~90000 consumer unit main switches
changed.
On 17/12/2024 21:21, Alan Lee wrote:Clicks Mode range, and Hagers white range are good quality items that
On 17/12/2024 20:49, Scott wrote:
Was it wise then for MK / Honeywell to promote and sell them in the UK
risking their reputation for quality? Will the public not associate
them in years to come as purveyors of crap?
MK may have a 'quality' reputation, but it hasnt been deserved for at
least 10 years now. Some of their output is very poor quality.
In 2013, they had to pay to have ~90000 consumer unit main switches
changed.
I will now buy the better MK Logic plus and British General electrical products but avoid "cheaper" brands such as LAP from Screwfix and Axiom
from Toolsatan etc.
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