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    From Tim+@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 30 17:10:25 2024
    We have a very old Singer pattern sewing machine. I say “Singer” but it actually has “The Cinderella” written on it and a plate with “Biesolt & Locke” on it. This machine uses a “vibrating shuttle” mechanism.

    Visually it’s very similar to this machine on eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326355607695?

    My query is about needle orientation. The needle holder would appear to
    want to hold the needle with the hole going from front to back whereas the needle holder on another old Singer matching that we have holds it so the
    the thread passes through from left to right.

    It’s hard to be certain about the needle holder as it’s an older cruder design than on the newer Singer and seems to lack any sort of end-stop to control the distance the needle can be inserted.

    The next question is, if the needle *is* meant to have the hole “front and back”, in what direction should it be threaded up?

    Not sure why I’m bothering really as threading the needle involves strong light, a strong magnifying glass, a steady hand and much swearing. ;-)

    Tim

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 30 17:22:55 2024
    On 30/12/2024 17:10, Tim+ wrote:
    We have a very old Singer pattern sewing machine. I say “Singer” but it actually has “The Cinderella” written on it and a plate with “Biesolt & Locke” on it. This machine uses a “vibrating shuttle” mechanism.

    Visually it’s very similar to this machine on eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326355607695?

    My query is about needle orientation. The needle holder would appear to
    want to hold the needle with the hole going from front to back whereas the needle holder on another old Singer matching that we have holds it so the
    the thread passes through from left to right.

    It’s hard to be certain about the needle holder as it’s an older cruder design than on the newer Singer and seems to lack any sort of end-stop to control the distance the needle can be inserted.

    The next question is, if the needle *is* meant to have the hole “front and back”, in what direction should it be threaded up?

    Not sure why I’m bothering really as threading the needle involves strong light, a strong magnifying glass, a steady hand and much swearing. ;-)

    Tim

    I think front to back is better as the thread then moves with the cloth,
    but you should check whether the shuttle 'picks up' the thread before
    you sew anyway... but depending on age this one may thread from left to
    right.

    Try it both ways and see which works best.

    You need massive glasses or a head magnifier and a lot of those little
    wire loops to make threading work...

    https://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/hemline-needle-threaders-3-pack/5670761000.html


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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Mon Dec 30 17:59:05 2024
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    those little wire loops to make threading work... https://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/hemline-needle-threaders-3-pack/5670761000.html

    About the only thing where the version you get in a xmas cracker is the
    same as buying them ...

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 30 19:02:38 2024
    On 12/30/2024 5:10 PM, Tim+ wrote:
    We have a very old Singer pattern sewing machine. I say “Singer” but it actually has “The Cinderella” written on it and a plate with “Biesolt & Locke” on it. This machine uses a “vibrating shuttle” mechanism.

    Visually it’s very similar to this machine on eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326355607695?

    My query is about needle orientation. The needle holder would appear to
    want to hold the needle with the hole going from front to back whereas the needle holder on another old Singer matching that we have holds it so the
    the thread passes through from left to right.

    It’s hard to be certain about the needle holder as it’s an older cruder design than on the newer Singer and seems to lack any sort of end-stop to control the distance the needle can be inserted.

    The next question is, if the needle *is* meant to have the hole “front and back”, in what direction should it be threaded up?

    Not sure why I’m bothering really as threading the needle involves strong light, a strong magnifying glass, a steady hand and much swearing. ;-)

    I'm not familiar with that model, but I've never worked with a
    Singer-type machine which was threaded other than left to right or front
    to back.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Dec 30 20:21:54 2024
    On 30/12/2024 17:59, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    those little wire loops to make threading work...
    https://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/hemline-needle-threaders-3-pack/5670761000.html

    About the only thing where the version you get in a xmas cracker is the
    same as buying them ...
    ROFLMAO!

    I ordered ten from china. They took 4 months to arrive

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  • From Tim+@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Tue Dec 31 08:06:16 2024
    S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
    On 12/30/2024 5:10 PM, Tim+ wrote:
    We have a very old Singer pattern sewing machine. I say “Singer” but it >> actually has “The Cinderella” written on it and a plate with “Biesolt &
    Locke” on it. This machine uses a “vibrating shuttle” mechanism.

    Visually it’s very similar to this machine on eBay.
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326355607695?

    My query is about needle orientation. The needle holder would appear to
    want to hold the needle with the hole going from front to back whereas the >> needle holder on another old Singer matching that we have holds it so the
    the thread passes through from left to right.

    It’s hard to be certain about the needle holder as it’s an older cruder >> design than on the newer Singer and seems to lack any sort of end-stop to
    control the distance the needle can be inserted.

    The next question is, if the needle *is* meant to have the hole “front and >> back”, in what direction should it be threaded up?

    Not sure why I’m bothering really as threading the needle involves strong >> light, a strong magnifying glass, a steady hand and much swearing. ;-)

    I'm not familiar with that model, but I've never worked with a
    Singer-type machine which was threaded other than left to right or front
    to back.



    I’ve found out that it’s doesn’t use “keyed” needles so that adds another
    level of uncertainty when it comes to setting it up!

    https://sewalot.com/singer_needles_wilcox_&_gibbs_needles.htm

    Tim


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  • From Thomas Prufer@21:1/5 to timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay on Tue Dec 31 10:10:55 2024
    On 30 Dec 2024 17:10:25 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:

    We have a very old Singer pattern sewing machine. I say “Singer” but it >actually has “The Cinderella” written on it and a plate with “Biesolt & >Locke” on it. This machine uses a “vibrating shuttle” mechanism.

    Visually it’s very similar to this machine on eBay. >https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326355607695?

    My query is about needle orientation. The needle holder would appear to
    want to hold the needle with the hole going from front to back whereas the >needle holder on another old Singer matching that we have holds it so the
    the thread passes through from left to right.

    It’s hard to be certain about the needle holder as it’s an older cruder >design than on the newer Singer and seems to lack any sort of end-stop to >control the distance the needle can be inserted.

    The next question is, if the needle *is* meant to have the hole “front and >back”, in what direction should it be threaded up?

    Not sure why I’m bothering really as threading the needle involves strong >light, a strong magnifying glass, a steady hand and much swearing. ;-)

    Tim

    https://youtu.be/CoVDmOL3yqA

    suggests left to right.


    Thomas Prufer

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  • From ajh@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 31 13:45:24 2024
    On 30/12/2024 17:10, Tim+ wrote:
    We have a very old Singer pattern sewing machine. I say “Singer” but it actually has “The Cinderella” written on it and a plate with “Biesolt & Locke” on it. This machine uses a “vibrating shuttle” mechanism.

    Not very DIY but the ladies at our repair cafe textiles group are
    fantastic at fettling sowing machines, as well as using them. Two of
    them were domestic science teachers and well used to correcting sewing
    machine problems.

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