But something is very wrong if things are that slow - perhaps the problem is not the SATA card?
But something is very wrong if things are that slow+1
You fit a fan and use small cable ties, to hold the fan body
snug against the 1" surface of the angle piece. The fan needs
a three position plug for the wiring and such (some fans
are purchased without the plug on the end, and you have to
fit one yourself).
Snip <
Nope, never had the need or the thought to do that.
Most people don't have the tools to do that. DIY, PC wise, is going
generally out of fashion. They prefer a bought solution.
On 22/06/2025 08:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
I have used standard PCIe SATA Cards, all no-name because I can't find
one with a name I recognise. The issue I have with these is that
sometimes on booting they seem to get over-looked so the devices
attached can't be used.
I did try a StarTech.com 8 Port SATA PCIe Card which was a disaster, somebody in here did explain that technically it was a piece of "won't work".
I then went for the LSI SAS 9207-8i KIT 8-Port 6Gbps SATA+SAS card and, frankly, it was no better than the StarTech card and also desperately slow.
I am a bit suprised. Normally LSI stuff works. Perhaps an issue with the motherboard?
I was going to suggest one of the server cards from HP/Dell/Lenovo but I can't figure out hoe to cable them. They seem to use proprietory cables..
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
I have used standard PCIe SATA Cards, all no-name because I can't find
one with a name I recognise.
The issue I have with these is that
sometimes on booting they seem to get over-looked so the devices
attached can't be used.
I did try a StarTech.com 8 Port SATA PCIe Card which was a disaster,
somebody in here did explain that technically it was a piece of "won't
work".
I then went for the LSI SAS 9207-8i KIT 8-Port 6Gbps SATA+SAS card and, frankly, it was no better than the StarTech card and also desperately slow.
All the standard PCIe SATA Cards seem to only need the smallest PCIe connectors to work, I have a couple of 8 or 16 lane slots available but
no card seems to need them.
Any suggestions for a decent simple card with, say, 4 internal socketsUnfortunately it looks like most (all?) Supermicro HBA or IT-Mode cards
on board that is quick enough to be recognised reliably on boot?
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
I have used standard PCIe SATA Cards, all no-name because I can't find
one with a name I recognise. The issue I have with these is that
sometimes on booting they seem to get over-looked so the devices
attached can't be used.
I did try a StarTech.com 8 Port SATA PCIe Card which was a disaster,
somebody in here did explain that technically it was a piece of "won't
work".
I then went for the LSI SAS 9207-8i KIT 8-Port 6Gbps SATA+SAS card and, frankly, it was no better than the StarTech card and also desperately slow.
All the standard PCIe SATA Cards seem to only need the smallest PCIe connectors to work, I have a couple of 8 or 16 lane slots available but
no card seems to need them.
Any suggestions for a decent simple card with, say, 4 internal sockets
on board that is quick enough to be recognised reliably on boot?
Many thanks.
Any suggestions for a decent simple card with, say, 4 internal sockets on >board that is quick enough to be recognised reliably on boot?
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
On 22 Jun 2025 07:41:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you need so many SATA devices in
the case? The trend is downwards - I have one in mine, a rarely used
DVD drive, and although there are four SATA ports two of them will be disabled if one of the M.2 slots is run at PCIe x4 mode.
I do have, on the mb, 19 USB ports that run at much faster speeds than
the SATA ports. And I offloaded my local data onto ethernet connected
NAS devices a few years ago.
On 22 Jun 2025 07:41:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you need so many SATA devices in
the case? The trend is downwards - I have one in mine, a rarely used
DVD drive, and although there are four SATA ports two of them will be >disabled if one of the M.2 slots is run at PCIe x4 mode.
I do have, on the mb, 19 USB ports that run at much faster speeds than
the SATA ports. And I offloaded my local data onto ethernet connected
NAS devices a few years ago.
Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:
On 22 Jun 2025 07:41:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you need so many SATA devices in
the case? The trend is downwards - I have one in mine, a rarely used
DVD drive, and although there are four SATA ports two of them will be >>disabled if one of the M.2 slots is run at PCIe x4 mode.
I do have, on the mb, 19 USB ports that run at much faster speeds than
the SATA ports. And I offloaded my local data onto ethernet connected
NAS devices a few years ago.
In my case, this is the ethernet connected NAS we're talking about. It
just happens to have a regular PC motherboard rather than be a proprietary >box, and a decent CPU not a pathetic embedded thing.
(currently sketching out a new build, but can't de-conflict all the >requirements to find products that actually exist)
Theo
On 22/06/2025 in message <hg2g5k1c0l4189d09lmj23erjphrassa42@4ax.com>
Peter Johnson wrote:
On 22 Jun 2025 07:41:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you need so many SATA devices in
the case? The trend is downwards - I have one in mine, a rarely used
DVD drive, and although there are four SATA ports two of them will be
disabled if one of the M.2 slots is run at PCIe x4 mode.
I do have, on the mb, 19 USB ports that run at much faster speeds than
the SATA ports. And I offloaded my local data onto ethernet connected
NAS devices a few years ago.
It's my server so contains multimedia for streaming round the house and backups/archives.
On 22/06/2025 in message <Lsg*buGfA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo wrote:
Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:
On 22 Jun 2025 07:41:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you need so many SATA devices in
the case? The trend is downwards - I have one in mine, a rarely used
DVD drive, and although there are four SATA ports two of them will be >>disabled if one of the M.2 slots is run at PCIe x4 mode.
I do have, on the mb, 19 USB ports that run at much faster speeds than >>the SATA ports. And I offloaded my local data onto ethernet connected
NAS devices a few years ago.
In my case, this is the ethernet connected NAS we're talking about. It >just happens to have a regular PC motherboard rather than be a proprietary >box, and a decent CPU not a pathetic embedded thing.
(currently sketching out a new build, but can't de-conflict all the >requirements to find products that actually exist)
Theo
If you find a motherboard with a few dozen SATA sockets let me know and
I'll try and summon the energy for a new build :-)
On 22/06/2025 in message <hg2g5k1c0l4189d09lmj23erjphrassa42@4ax.com>
Peter Johnson wrote:
On 22 Jun 2025 07:41:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you need so many SATA devices in
the case? The trend is downwards - I have one in mine, a rarely used
DVD drive, and although there are four SATA ports two of them will be
disabled if one of the M.2 slots is run at PCIe x4 mode.
I do have, on the mb, 19 USB ports that run at much faster speeds than
the SATA ports. And I offloaded my local data onto ethernet connected
NAS devices a few years ago.
It's my server so contains multimedia for streaming round the house and backups/archives.
Theo wrote:
ut only slightly, newer.
I'm afraid SATA is dying 🙁
Servers may have more slots, but they're likely using a HBA (integrated or separate). I think that's going to be the way to go in future
I think servers are verging on switching-over to E3.s form factor for
NVMe drives ... you can fit 32 of them on a 2U server
ut only slightly, newer.
I'm afraid SATA is dying 🙁
Servers may have more slots, but they're likely using a HBA (integrated or separate). I think that's going to be the way to go in future
On 22/06/2025 15:38, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 22/06/2025 in message <hg2g5k1c0l4189d09lmj23erjphrassa42@4ax.com>I have one of those, but it only has three disks
Peter Johnson wrote:
On 22 Jun 2025 07:41:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you need so many SATA devices in
the case? The trend is downwards - I have one in mine, a rarely used
DVD drive, and although there are four SATA ports two of them will be >>>disabled if one of the M.2 slots is run at PCIe x4 mode.
I do have, on the mb, 19 USB ports that run at much faster speeds than >>>the SATA ports. And I offloaded my local data onto ethernet connected
NAS devices a few years ago.
It's my server so contains multimedia for streaming round the house and >>backups/archives.
OS, primary data and backup
On 22/06/2025 in message <10395lm$jad4$2@dont-email.me> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/06/2025 15:38, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 22/06/2025 in message <hg2g5k1c0l4189d09lmj23erjphrassa42@4ax.com>I have one of those, but it only has three disks
Peter Johnson wrote:
On 22 Jun 2025 07:41:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you need so many SATA devices in
the case? The trend is downwards - I have one in mine, a rarely used
DVD drive, and although there are four SATA ports two of them will be
disabled if one of the M.2 slots is run at PCIe x4 mode.
I do have, on the mb, 19 USB ports that run at much faster speeds than >>>> the SATA ports. And I offloaded my local data onto ethernet connected
NAS devices a few years ago.
It's my server so contains multimedia for streaming round the house
and backups/archives.
OS, primary data and backup
Why have three disks when an NVMe, 8 internal drives and a four drive
DAS are available.
I didn't have a Meccano set when I was young, my parents couldn't afford
one :-)
On 22/06/2025 19:03, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 22/06/2025 in message <10395lm$jad4$2@dont-email.me> The Natural >>Philosopher wrote:
On 22/06/2025 15:38, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 22/06/2025 in message <hg2g5k1c0l4189d09lmj23erjphrassa42@4ax.com> >>>>Peter Johnson wrote:I have one of those, but it only has three disks
On 22 Jun 2025 07:41:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> >>>>>wrote:
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you need so many SATA devices in >>>>>the case? The trend is downwards - I have one in mine, a rarely used >>>>>DVD drive, and although there are four SATA ports two of them will be >>>>>disabled if one of the M.2 slots is run at PCIe x4 mode.
I do have, on the mb, 19 USB ports that run at much faster speeds than >>>>>the SATA ports. And I offloaded my local data onto ethernet connected >>>>>NAS devices a few years ago.
It's my server so contains multimedia for streaming round the house and >>>>backups/archives.
OS, primary data and backup
Why have three disks when an NVMe, 8 internal drives and a four drive DAS >>are available.
I didn't have a Meccano set when I was young, my parents couldn't afford >>one :-)
How about one of these? You can put up to 4 x NVME M2 drives on one card
and put it in a PCIe x16 slot?
Note! The Mobo Bios MUST support 4x4 bifurcation which essentially turns
that x16 slot into 4 off x4 PCIe virtual slots so each NVME Drive has its
own dedicated x4 PCIe slot.
I have a mobo that has 6 off x16 PCIe slots with onboard video so I could
in theory have up to 24 NVME M2 drives.... is that enough NVME M2 ports
for you? :-)
I know the blurb says it requires specific mohterboards but thats for RoC
as in Raid on a Chip, not strictly speaking necessary as these drives are >viewable under Disk manager in WIn 11.
Ditto in Linux and you could use software MADM to give you software based >RAID if that is important to you.
I am seeing that the price of NVME drives is now approaching the pricing
of their equal sized SATA equivalents....
On 22/06/2025 in message <10395lm$jad4$2@dont-email.me> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/06/2025 15:38, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 22/06/2025 in message <hg2g5k1c0l4189d09lmj23erjphrassa42@4ax.com> Peter Johnson wrote:I have one of those, but it only has three disks
On 22 Jun 2025 07:41:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you need so many SATA devices in
the case? The trend is downwards - I have one in mine, a rarely used
DVD drive, and although there are four SATA ports two of them will be
disabled if one of the M.2 slots is run at PCIe x4 mode.
I do have, on the mb, 19 USB ports that run at much faster speeds than >>>> the SATA ports. And I offloaded my local data onto ethernet connected
NAS devices a few years ago.
It's my server so contains multimedia for streaming round the house and backups/archives.
OS, primary data and backup
Why have three disks when an NVMe, 8 internal drives and a four drive DAS are available.
I didn't have a Meccano set when I was young, my parents couldn't afford one :-)
On 22/06/2025 in message <1039j4h$m7bl$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
On 22/06/2025 19:03, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 22/06/2025 in message <10395lm$jad4$2@dont-email.me> The Natural
Philosopher wrote:
On 22/06/2025 15:38, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 22/06/2025 in messageI have one of those, but it only has three disks
<hg2g5k1c0l4189d09lmj23erjphrassa42@4ax.com> Peter Johnson wrote:
On 22 Jun 2025 07:41:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you need so many SATA devices in >>>>>> the case? The trend is downwards - I have one in mine, a rarely used >>>>>> DVD drive, and although there are four SATA ports two of them will be >>>>>> disabled if one of the M.2 slots is run at PCIe x4 mode.
I do have, on the mb, 19 USB ports that run at much faster speeds
than
the SATA ports. And I offloaded my local data onto ethernet connected >>>>>> NAS devices a few years ago.
It's my server so contains multimedia for streaming round the
house and backups/archives.
OS, primary data and backup
Why have three disks when an NVMe, 8 internal drives and a four
drive DAS are available.
I didn't have a Meccano set when I was young, my parents couldn't
afford one :-)
How about one of these? You can put up to 4 x NVME M2 drives on one
card and put it in a PCIe x16 slot?
Note! The Mobo Bios MUST support 4x4 bifurcation which essentially
turns that x16 slot into 4 off x4 PCIe virtual slots so each NVME
Drive has its own dedicated x4 PCIe slot.
I have a mobo that has 6 off x16 PCIe slots with onboard video so I
could in theory have up to 24 NVME M2 drives.... is that enough NVME
M2 ports for you? :-)
I know the blurb says it requires specific mohterboards but thats for
RoC as in Raid on a Chip, not strictly speaking necessary as these
drives are viewable under Disk manager in WIn 11.
Ditto in Linux and you could use software MADM to give you software
based RAID if that is important to you.
I am seeing that the price of NVME drives is now approaching the
pricing of their equal sized SATA equivalents....
The difficulty is in extracting NVMe cards and running (in the event of
a catastrophe), the drives are hot swap, front loading, on a backplane :-)
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
I have used standard PCIe SATA Cards, all no-name because I can't find
one with a name I recognise. The issue I have with these is that
sometimes on booting they seem to get over-looked so the devices
attached can't be used.
I did try a StarTech.com 8 Port SATA PCIe Card which was a disaster,
somebody in here did explain that technically it was a piece of "won't
work".
I then went for the LSI SAS 9207-8i KIT 8-Port 6Gbps SATA+SAS card and, frankly, it was no better than the StarTech card and also desperately slow.
All the standard PCIe SATA Cards seem to only need the smallest PCIe connectors to work, I have a couple of 8 or 16 lane slots available but
no card seems to need them.
Any suggestions for a decent simple card with, say, 4 internal sockets
on board that is quick enough to be recognised reliably on boot?
My Asus Z170-K has 6 x SATA sockets on board and I need 9.
I have used standard PCIe SATA Cards, all no-name because I can't find one with a name I recognise. The issue I have with these is that sometimes on booting they seem to get over-looked so the devices attached can't be used.
I did try a StarTech.com 8 Port SATA PCIe Card which was a disaster,
somebody in here did explain that technically it was a piece of "won't
work".
I then went for the LSI SAS 9207-8i KIT 8-Port 6Gbps SATA+SAS card and, frankly, it was no better than the StarTech card and also desperately slow.
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