• Re: TV to Bluetooth hesadphones

    From alan_m@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Mon Jan 6 23:34:26 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 06/01/2025 22:59, pinnerite wrote:
    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect
    audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket
    6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused)
    7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit to
    a pair of headphones?


    TIA


    Does the soundbar have a bluetooth output capability?

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Mon Jan 6 23:27:49 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 06/01/2025 22:59, pinnerite wrote:
    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect
    audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket
    6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused)
    7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit to
    a pair of headphones?

    You can get adaptors that take analogue audio and rebroadcast it as
    bluetooth. e.g.:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/OQIMAX-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Reduction-Headphones-Black/dp/B0CCDMJ84D/

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  • From Fredxx@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Tue Jan 7 00:19:09 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 06/01/2025 22:59, pinnerite wrote:
    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect
    audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket
    6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused)
    7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit to
    a pair of headphones?

    Like one of these?

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/SDYGDB-Bluetooth-Wireless-Transmitter-Receiver/dp/B0BDRR9LR9

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Tue Jan 7 08:38:07 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 06/01/2025 in message
    <20250106225923.da5952a49ec9d583dded7138@gmail.com> pinnerite wrote:

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit to
    a pair of headphones?

    Be wary of Bluetooth for this, its latency may drive you mad.

    I use a Jellycomb headset with uses a 2.4 GHz transmitter fed from my TV
    that transmits direct. Like all good things it seems it's no longer
    available but it would be worth trying to find something that works in the
    same way.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Tue Jan 7 09:20:01 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:
    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect
    audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket
    6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused)
    7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit to
    a pair of headphones?

    TIA

    I’m surprised there’s no headphone output on your TV, otherwise I would have suggested a long extension lead from that to your headphones, which
    will avoid a number of problems including supplying power to, and any
    latency issues that might arise from the use of, Bluetooth-connected
    devices.

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Spike on Tue Jan 7 10:47:14 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Tue 07/01/2025 09:20, Spike wrote:
    pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:
    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect
    audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket
    6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused)
    7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit to
    a pair of headphones?

    TIA

    I’m surprised there’s no headphone output on your TV, otherwise I would have suggested a long extension lead from that to your headphones, which
    will avoid a number of problems including supplying power to, and any
    latency issues that might arise from the use of, Bluetooth-connected
    devices.

    Headphone sockets on TVs these days are an extreme rarity. You might
    find them on sets up to about 27" but very little on larger units.

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  • From Tricky Dicky@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Tue Jan 7 10:46:16 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:
    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect
    audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket
    6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused)
    7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit to
    a pair of headphones?


    TIA

    Have you looked in your sound settings, there may already be a setting
    allowing you to pair Bluetooth devices. Both our LG TVs have that facility
    and one is about the same age as your TV.

    Richard

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Woody on Tue Jan 7 11:41:01 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Tue 07/01/2025 09:20, Spike wrote:
    pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:
    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect
    audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket
    6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused)
    7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit to
    a pair of headphones?

    TIA

    I’m surprised there’s no headphone output on your TV, otherwise I would >> have suggested a long extension lead from that to your headphones, which
    will avoid a number of problems including supplying power to, and any
    latency issues that might arise from the use of, Bluetooth-connected
    devices.

    Headphone sockets on TVs these days are an extreme rarity. You might
    find them on sets up to about 27" but very little on larger units.

    All four of my TVs have headphone sockets! But the newest is seven years
    old.

    OTOH I’m currently enjoying the BBC’s SAS Rough Heroes Season 2, via Bluetoothed headphones due to the loud banging noises, and I can’t say I’ve noticed any lack of sync.

    The headphones are linked via the TV’s BT rather than via an external
    dongle.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Spike on Tue Jan 7 12:44:48 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 07/01/2025 11:41, Spike wrote:
    OTOH I’m currently enjoying the BBC’s SAS Rough Heroes Season 2, via Bluetoothed headphones due to the loud banging noises, and I can’t say I’ve
    noticed any lack of sync.

    Its not a question of the technology as such - its how its implemented.

    Sound and video in a digital TB are buffered substantially and the
    decode times are - on cheaper sets - significant.

    If you tap the audio differently from the video you get out of sync.
    There is no cure than trying a different method of extracting audio


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  • From Brian@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Tue Jan 7 16:00:01 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:
    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect
    audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket
    6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused)
    7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit to
    a pair of headphones?


    TIA

    I use something like this:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/387702500047?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=y5a97psdra2&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=EG0UYoDLRdG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

    Not the exact one but similar.

    I plug it into one of the USB sockets for power and take the audio from the
    3.5 mm jack my tv has. If you don’t have the latter, you could use a phono
    to 3.5 to lead ( two phones to one stereo 3.5).

    I use it was a pair of stereo headphones off Amazon.

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  • From David@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Tue Jan 7 17:17:16 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Mon, 06 Jan 2025 22:59:23 +0000, pinnerite wrote:

    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect
    audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket 6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused)
    7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit to a
    pair of headphones?

    <https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01N9PI9T6/>

    I bought these in 2017, to link the caravan TV to some decent quality
    speakers.

    This worked very well.

    The TOSlink connection might be better than other methods; I think it may remove latency problems.
    Then again, it has been a while.

    Cheers



    Dave R




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  • From Brian@21:1/5 to David on Tue Jan 7 22:36:37 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 06 Jan 2025 22:59:23 +0000, pinnerite wrote:

    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect
    audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket 6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused)
    7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit to a
    pair of headphones?

    <https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01N9PI9T6/>

    I bought these in 2017, to link the caravan TV to some decent quality speakers.

    This worked very well.

    The TOSlink connection might be better than other methods; I think it may remove latency problems.
    Then again, it has been a while.


    The latency problem is puzzling, at least in my case.

    I have three (admittedly) cheap Bluetooth transmitters. If I use them with
    a TV and a pair of headphones ( not especially expensive ones), no
    noticeable lag. Try with one of those small portable Bluetooth speakers
    and the delay is very noticeable. I have a cheapish (‘Chinese copy’ ) one and a good branded one. Both are the same.

    I’ve also tried linking the TV to the audio system in our MH ( for use when parked on site !) and the delay is present.

    In terms of quality, I’d expect the headphones to be at the lower end - certainly below the branded speaker and way below the MH stereo.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Brian on Wed Jan 8 13:15:24 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 07/01/2025 22:36, Brian wrote:
    In terms of quality, I’d expect the headphones to be at the lower end - certainly below the branded speaker and way below the MH stereo.

    It seems odd. I cant see any reason to buffer Bluetooth

    Headphones can be very high quality and the headphone output on the TV
    should be pretty much as good ass it gets


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  • From Brian@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Wed Jan 8 16:29:58 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 16:00:01 -0000 (UTC)
    Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:

    pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:
    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect
    audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket
    6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused)
    7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit to
    a pair of headphones?


    TIA

    I use something like this:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/387702500047?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=y5a97psdra2&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=EG0UYoDLRdG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

    Not the exact one but similar.

    I plug it into one of the USB sockets for power and take the audio from the >> 3.5 mm jack my tv has. If you don’t have the latter, you could use a phono >> to 3.5 to lead ( two phones to one stereo 3.5).

    I use it was a pair of stereo headphones off Amazon.


    I am going to chance my arm on this one.

    Thank you and everyone else who offered advice.

    Alan


    If you don’t have headphones, I was in Aldi today and noticed they have
    Bauhn ones for just under £20.

    While Bauhn is an own band, we have one their TVs in the Motorhome. I
    bought it in about 2018 and it has been driven around the UK, France,
    Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany, …. and is still going strong.
    Some roads in Belgium are even worse than ours was before it was made up.
    😊

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  • From jon@21:1/5 to Spike on Fri Jan 10 18:54:42 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Tue, 07 Jan 2025 11:41:01 +0000, Spike wrote:

    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Tue 07/01/2025 09:20, Spike wrote:
    pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:
    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect
    audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket 6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused)
    7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit
    to a pair of headphones?

    TIA

    I’m surprised there’s no headphone output on your TV, otherwise I
    would have suggested a long extension lead from that to your
    headphones, which will avoid a number of problems including supplying
    power to, and any latency issues that might arise from the use of,
    Bluetooth-connected devices.

    Headphone sockets on TVs these days are an extreme rarity. You might
    find them on sets up to about 27" but very little on larger units.

    All four of my TVs have headphone sockets! But the newest is seven years
    old.

    OTOH I’m currently enjoying the BBC’s SAS Rough Heroes Season 2, via Bluetoothed headphones due to the loud banging noises, and I can’t say I’ve noticed any lack of sync.

    The headphones are linked via the TV’s BT rather than via an external dongle.

    I use an optical connection from computer to Smart TV.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sat Jan 11 11:07:24 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Wed, 1/8/2025 8:15 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 07/01/2025 22:36, Brian wrote:
    In terms of quality, I’d expect the headphones to be at the lower end -
    certainly below the branded speaker and way below the MH stereo.

    It seems odd. I cant see any reason to buffer Bluetooth

    Headphones can be very high quality and the headphone output on the TV should be pretty much as good ass it gets

    https://www.soundguys.com/understanding-bluetooth-codecs-15352/

    "SBC divides the signal into multiple frequency bands and encodes
    each one independently. Think of SBC as the lowest common denominator
    among Bluetooth codecs. It’s not the best. It is, however, mandatory
    among all A2DP-enabled devices, making it virtually universal.
    Manageable transfer rates (192-320kbps) are delivered at the
    expense of significant data loss.
    "

    "Though only aptX LL supports a latency of fewer than 40 milliseconds"

    There are a few compromises in Bluetooth.

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Sat Jan 11 16:27:53 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Sat, 1/11/2025 3:17 PM, pinnerite wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 18:54:42 -0000 (UTC)
    jon <reading.mostly@crap.org> wrote:

    On Tue, 07 Jan 2025 11:41:01 +0000, Spike wrote:

    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Tue 07/01/2025 09:20, Spike wrote:
    pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:
    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to collect >>>>>> audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't mention
    bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets.
    2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the back (two for audio)
    3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to an HTPC.
    4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound bar.
    5. It has a LAN socket 6. It has a Satellite antennae socket (unused) >>>>>> 7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to transmit >>>>>> to a pair of headphones?

    TIA

    I’m surprised there’s no headphone output on your TV, otherwise I >>>>> would have suggested a long extension lead from that to your
    headphones, which will avoid a number of problems including supplying >>>>> power to, and any latency issues that might arise from the use of,
    Bluetooth-connected devices.

    Headphone sockets on TVs these days are an extreme rarity. You might
    find them on sets up to about 27" but very little on larger units.

    All four of my TVs have headphone sockets! But the newest is seven years >>> old.

    OTOH I’m currently enjoying the BBC’s SAS Rough Heroes Season 2, via >>> Bluetoothed headphones due to the loud banging noises, and I can’t say >>> I’ve noticed any lack of sync.

    The headphones are linked via the TV’s BT rather than via an external
    dongle.

    I use an optical connection from computer to Smart TV.

    The only optical socket on my TV goes to the sound bar.

    You can split TOSLink. Although I don't know how reliable
    that is (signal level margin). If there is an SPDIF signal,
    that can be converted to TOSLink with an active box of some sort.
    The TOSLink transmitter is worth less than a pound, so as
    electrooptical components go, it's pretty cheap.

    https://www.findlight.net/fiber-optics/fiber-cables-bundles/multi-mode-cables/spdiftoslink-digital-optical-audio-toslink-splitter-cable-spdif-optical-splitter-adapter

    Paul

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to pinnerite@gmail.com on Sat Jan 11 23:30:02 2025
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    In article <20250111201743.5552a8f9b1bcd361d001c2db@gmail.com>, pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 18:54:42 -0000 (UTC) jon <reading.mostly@crap.org>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 07 Jan 2025 11:41:01 +0000, Spike wrote:

    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Tue 07/01/2025 09:20, Spike wrote:
    pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:
    Having become a bit mut and Jeff (deaf), I would like try to
    collect audio from my Smart (8 year old) TV. The manual doesn't
    mention bluetooth but:

    1. It has three USB sockets. 2. It has a set of RCA sockets on the >>>> back (two for audio) 3. It has four HDMI sockets, one connected to >>>> an HTPC. 4. It has an optical/audio socket connected to a sound
    bar. 5. It has a LAN socket 6. It has a Satellite antennae socket
    (unused) 7. It has a regular coax socket.

    Are there any bluetooth adapters that could be deployed to
    transmit to a pair of headphones?

    TIA

    Im surprised theres no headphone output on your TV, otherwise I
    would have suggested a long extension lead from that to your
    headphones, which will avoid a number of problems including
    supplying power to, and any latency issues that might arise from
    the use of, Bluetooth-connected devices.

    Headphone sockets on TVs these days are an extreme rarity. You might
    find them on sets up to about 27" but very little on larger units.

    All four of my TVs have headphone sockets! But the newest is seven
    years old.

    OTOH Im currently enjoying the BBCs SAS Rough Heroes Season 2, via Bluetoothed headphones due to the loud banging noises, and I cant
    say Ive noticed any lack of sync.

    The headphones are linked via the TVs BT rather than via an external dongle.

    I use an optical connection from computer to Smart TV.

    The only optical socket on my TV goes to the sound bar.

    I have an optical splitter. One output to HiFi the other to the hearing aid sender.

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