• Just curious: what's wrong with the reciprocating rack and pinion?

    From Adam Funk@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 7 12:05:27 2025
    I recently came across this idea:

    <https://makezine.com/article/workshop/how-its-made-wooden-reciprocating-rack-and-pinion/>

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JraeIyGqjdg>

    and I was wondering why you never see them "in real life" (rather than
    as a novelty).

    It seems to have one advantage over a crankshaft: the assembly can be
    narrower (perpendicular to the direction of linear motion) than the
    length of travel, whereas a crankshaft has to be slightly wider than
    the length of travel.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Adam Funk on Tue Jan 7 12:42:16 2025
    On 07/01/2025 12:05, Adam Funk wrote:
    I recently came across this idea:

    <https://makezine.com/article/workshop/how-its-made-wooden-reciprocating-rack-and-pinion/>

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JraeIyGqjdg>

    and I was wondering why you never see them "in real life" (rather than
    as a novelty).

    It seems to have one advantage over a crankshaft: the assembly can be narrower (perpendicular to the direction of linear motion) than the
    length of travel, whereas a crankshaft has to be slightly wider than
    the length of travel.

    Any alternative technology has to be so superior to 'what's out there
    now' that the inevitable problems and issues with it are worth tackling,
    unless you get a government subsidy and a legal mandate that every one
    has to use it.

    Boring IC engines are simply developed to the max. Their efficiency is
    close to theoretical maxima, especially with ECMs.

    And all the government dosh is going to EVs.

    Go figure.

    --
    "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
    true: it is true because it is powerful."

    Lucas Bergkamp

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Adam Funk on Tue Jan 7 13:28:28 2025
    Adam Funk wrote:

    I recently came across this idea:

    <https://makezine.com/article/workshop/how-its-made-wooden-reciprocating-rack-and-pinion/>
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JraeIyGqjdg>

    and I was wondering why you never see them "in real life"

    No advantage over a Scotch Yoke?

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  • From Adam Funk@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jan 15 12:13:50 2025
    On 2025-01-07, Andy Burns wrote:

    Adam Funk wrote:

    I recently came across this idea:

    <https://makezine.com/article/workshop/how-its-made-wooden-reciprocating-rack-and-pinion/>
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JraeIyGqjdg>

    and I was wondering why you never see them "in real life"

    (I didn't have internal combustions engines in mind when I asked the
    question.)


    No advantage over a Scotch Yoke?

    I see two advantages of the reciprocating R&P: you can put an axle all
    the way through it, instead of using crankpins [1] offset from the
    axis; and it can be narrower than the length of travel. I can only
    guess there are no real-world applications where those are important.

    [1] I think you could have several yokes side by side using crankpins
    between wheels, a bit like an engine crankshaft, but I don't think
    I've seen such an arrangement.

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  • From Vir Campestris@21:1/5 to Adam Funk on Sun Jan 19 17:40:26 2025
    On 15/01/2025 12:13, Adam Funk wrote:
    On 2025-01-07, Andy Burns wrote:

    Adam Funk wrote:

    I recently came across this idea:

    <https://makezine.com/article/workshop/how-its-made-wooden-reciprocating-rack-and-pinion/>
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JraeIyGqjdg>

    and I was wondering why you never see them "in real life"

    (I didn't have internal combustions engines in mind when I asked the question.)


    No advantage over a Scotch Yoke?

    I see two advantages of the reciprocating R&P: you can put an axle all
    the way through it, instead of using crankpins [1] offset from the
    axis; and it can be narrower than the length of travel. I can only
    guess there are no real-world applications where those are important.

    [1] I think you could have several yokes side by side using crankpins
    between wheels, a bit like an engine crankshaft, but I don't think
    I've seen such an arrangement.

    Reading on this it looks as though both this and the scotch yoke won't
    last as long, nor be as efficient, as a plain old crank and conrod.

    Andy

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Vir Campestris on Sun Jan 19 17:49:42 2025
    Vir Campestris wrote:

    Reading on this it looks as though both this and the scotch yoke won't
    last as long

    Initially I thought it had snapped a tooth, then I saw it was made with
    several partial teeth, maybe that was just poor implementation?

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  • From TimW@21:1/5 to Adam Funk on Mon Jan 20 13:00:35 2025
    On 07/01/2025 12:05, Adam Funk wrote:
    I recently came across this idea:

    <https://makezine.com/article/workshop/how-its-made-wooden-reciprocating-rack-and-pinion/>

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JraeIyGqjdg>

    and I was wondering why you never see them "in real life" (rather than
    as a novelty).

    It seems to have one advantage over a crankshaft: the assembly can be narrower (perpendicular to the direction of linear motion) than the
    length of travel, whereas a crankshaft has to be slightly wider than
    the length of travel.

    With the rack and pinion - if the rotary part turns at a steady speed
    the back-and-forth part has to go from steady speed one way directly to
    steady speed in the other, so you will have a violent, jerky reverse of momentum twice every revolution. With a crank the piston part slows and accelerates sine-wave fashion: much better.

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  • From Adam Funk@21:1/5 to TimW on Tue Jan 21 14:17:01 2025
    On 2025-01-20, TimW wrote:

    On 07/01/2025 12:05, Adam Funk wrote:
    I recently came across this idea:

    <https://makezine.com/article/workshop/how-its-made-wooden-reciprocating-rack-and-pinion/>

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JraeIyGqjdg>

    and I was wondering why you never see them "in real life" (rather than
    as a novelty).

    It seems to have one advantage over a crankshaft: the assembly can be
    narrower (perpendicular to the direction of linear motion) than the
    length of travel, whereas a crankshaft has to be slightly wider than
    the length of travel.

    With the rack and pinion - if the rotary part turns at a steady speed
    the back-and-forth part has to go from steady speed one way directly to steady speed in the other, so you will have a violent, jerky reverse of momentum twice every revolution. With a crank the piston part slows and accelerates sine-wave fashion: much better.

    Good point! (The Scotch yoke is also smoother at the ends.)

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