On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:24:06 +0000
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

What happened to the Great Debate? I was told that it would be held on January 6, and I would receive a video and and a transcript. But I
have heard nothing.
Was it cancelled, so it never happened?

Ah-ha, here it is. So much for them sending me the result. I now have
some reading to do. <https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-01-06/debates/7132F58B-DE05-4912-8BFC-67F310B55911/GeneralElection>

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Davey.

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On 12/01/2025 12:26, Davey wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:24:06 +0000
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

What happened to the Great Debate? I was told that it would be held on
January 6, and I would receive a video and and a transcript. But I
have heard nothing.
Was it cancelled, so it never happened?

Ah-ha, here it is. So much for them sending me the result. I now have
some reading to do. <https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-01-06/debates/7132F58B-DE05-4912-8BFC-67F310B55911/GeneralElection>

You didn't think they would do anything they didn't legally have to.
Anyway the news has been overtaken by Reeves and Milliband's disastrous policies now forcing us towards recession.

And Reform now neck and neck with Labour and ahead of the Tories.

Have some popcorn. The charades continue.

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"An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out
only in others...”

Tom Wolfe

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What happened to the Great Debate? I was told that it would be held on
January 6, and I would receive a video and and a transcript. But I have
heard nothing.
Was it cancelled, so it never happened?

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Davey.

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On 12/01/2025 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Anyway the news has been overtaken by Reeves and Milliband's disastrous policies now forcing us towards recession.

And Reform now neck and neck with Labour and ahead of the Tories.

Smile, it could get worse. :)

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On 12/01/2025 in message <vm0ceb$14vfa$2@dont-email.me> Davey wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:24:06 +0000
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

What happened to the Great Debate? I was told that it would be held on >>January 6, and I would receive a video and and a transcript. But I
have heard nothing.
Was it cancelled, so it never happened?

Ah-ha, here it is. So much for them sending me the result. I now have
some reading to do. ><https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-01-06/debates/7132F58B-DE05-4912-8BFC-67F310B55911/GeneralElection>

"Finally, this debate would not have happened if it had not been for the
good people out there who put their names to the petition. I think that
each and every one of them can feel that tonight they have been part of democracy. That is how we do things in this country. Thank you."

This is how we do things in this country, have a great charade of a
debate, ponce around with stupid comments like "Will my hon. Friend give
way?" and "I give way to my hon. Friend with the greatest pleasure." and
"My hon. Friend has my gratitude." then effectively tell the electorate to
F off.

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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
If Bj�rn & Benny had been called Syd and Dave then ABBA would have been
called ASDA.

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On 12 Jan 2025, alan_m wrote

On 12/01/2025 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Anyway the news has been overtaken by Reeves and Milliband's
disastrous policies now forcing us towards recession.

And Reform now neck and neck with Labour and ahead of the Tories.

Smile, it could get worse. :)

"So I smiled, and it did indeed get worse...."

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On 12/01/2025 15:06, Jeff Gaines wrote:

This is how we do things in this country, have a great charade of a
debate, ponce around with stupid comments like "Will my hon. Friend give way?" and "I give way to my hon. Friend with the greatest pleasure." and
"My hon. Friend has my gratitude." then effectively tell the electorate
to F off.

And you winder why Reform are soaring in the polls...

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Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.

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On 12/01/2025 in message <vm1976$1da38$8@dont-email.me> The Natural
Philosopher wrote:

On 12/01/2025 15:06, Jeff Gaines wrote:

This is how we do things in this country, have a great charade of a
debate, ponce around with stupid comments like "Will my hon. Friend give >>way?" and "I give way to my hon. Friend with the greatest pleasure." and >>"My hon. Friend has my gratitude." then effectively tell the electorate
to F off.

And you winder why Reform are soaring in the polls...

I don't wonder that!

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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do or
say nothing. (Edmund Burke)

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On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 20:37:58 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 12/01/2025 15:06, Jeff Gaines wrote:

This is how we do things in this country, have a great charade of a
debate, ponce around with stupid comments like "Will my hon. Friend
give way?" and "I give way to my hon. Friend with the greatest
pleasure." and "My hon. Friend has my gratitude." then effectively
tell the electorate to F off.

And you winder why Reform are soaring in the polls...

I don't recall a government which got off to such a bad start in the
last half-century. I can see the thought behind getting the bad stuff
out of the way early, so the goldfish have forgotten five years later,
but they seem to have gone a bit over the top.

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Joe

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On 12 Jan 2025 at 20:37:58 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 12/01/2025 15:06, Jeff Gaines wrote:

This is how we do things in this country, have a great charade of a
debate, ponce around with stupid comments like "Will my hon. Friend give
way?" and "I give way to my hon. Friend with the greatest pleasure." and
"My hon. Friend has my gratitude." then effectively tell the electorate
to F off.

And you winder why Reform are soaring in the polls...

I can see we're gonna need another Maggie to put the unions back in their box (and then take the box to the Tip). That won't happen until the shit really hits the fan, as was the case in 1979 with the winter of discontent bollocks. Still, this lot have started well in terms of getting to that point, and with the unions behaving like all blackmailers do (that is, threatening to come
back for more), hopefully it shouldn't take too long.

I hadn't realised that the RMT are just like the print unions used to be,
until I had a chat with someone (retired now) who was a steward on one of the cross-channel ferries. Then I understood why that little contretemps at Dover occurred, and how right P&O was to do it.

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What power have you got?
Where did you get it from?
In whose interests do you use it?
To whom are you accountable?
How do we get rid of you?

Tony Benn

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On 12 Jan 2025 22:03:37 GMT
Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

On 12 Jan 2025 at 20:37:58 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 12/01/2025 15:06, Jeff Gaines wrote:

This is how we do things in this country, have a great charade of a
debate, ponce around with stupid comments like "Will my hon.
Friend give way?" and "I give way to my hon. Friend with the
greatest pleasure." and "My hon. Friend has my gratitude." then
effectively tell the electorate to F off.

And you winder why Reform are soaring in the polls...

I can see we're gonna need another Maggie to put the unions back in
their box (and then take the box to the Tip). That won't happen until
the shit really hits the fan, as was the case in 1979 with the winter
of discontent bollocks. Still, this lot have started well in terms of
getting to that point, and with the unions behaving like all
blackmailers do (that is, threatening to come back for more),
hopefully it shouldn't take too long.

I hadn't realised that the RMT are just like the print unions used to
be, until I had a chat with someone (retired now) who was a steward
on one of the cross-channel ferries. Then I understood why that
little contretemps at Dover occurred, and how right P&O was to do it.

Unions are easier to understand when you realise they are just
businesses, with a profit motive and no obligations to anyone but their customers. To maintain those profits, they must regularly deliver the
goods to their customers, i.e. pay rises to their members.

The Labour Party is another business, basically the CBI to trades
unions, and again has no obligations to anyone but its subscribers. As,
of course, does the Conservative Party, but that generally solicits
donations from anyone, not just a limited group of organisations, so it
has a wider set of obligations.

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Joe

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