• Camera to watch chickens - what do I need?

    From Chris Green@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 12 20:10:37 2025
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the
    house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

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    Chris Green
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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sun Jan 12 21:29:38 2025
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the
    house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

    Can you get power or wired ethernet to it? Battery solutions are more tricky than things powered all day. POE allows running from just wired ethernet and there are cheap splitters to barrel or USB.

    What spare kit do you have? An old smartphone can work as a camera to
    stream to a server for example.

    If this is a full time all weather thing not a 24h lashup then that changes things.

    Theo

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  • From Fredxx@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 13 01:26:18 2025
    On 12/01/2025 20:10, Chris Green wrote:
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the
    house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

    Simplest solution is a wildlife camera. Amazon have several but you will
    need batteries and an SD card that adds to the overall cost. Some take
    Li-ion 18650 batteries.

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 13 04:05:36 2025
    On 12/01/2025 20:10, Chris Green wrote:
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the
    house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?


    Wireless cameras with internal storage and with batteries/solar are now onboarding basic AI abilities so they can identify whether Humans, Pets
    or other things that are moving about, and track. They are not
    expensive, brands like Eufy don't need cloud logins.

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 13 06:27:13 2025
    On 12 Jan 2025 at 20:10:37 GMT, Chris Green wrote:

    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the
    house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

    I bought one of these, and set it running above the front door on 25th
    October.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0BL31XPYG

    It's still working - so going on 3 months on one charge in low light and about as cold as it gets.

    I'd imagine 24 hour recording might hammer the battery to a greater extent.
    The picture quality is pretty good, movement capture has been fine but has missed a few (maybe a placement issue), and the PIR-activated light is pretty effective.

    You are, however, locked into their cloud phone app to access the files wirelessly or away from home (included at no cost). It does also record to an onboard SD card - I've not looked at that yet.

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    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 13 02:28:47 2025
    On Sun, 1/12/2025 3:10 PM, Chris Green wrote:
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the
    house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?


    "Live chicken cam"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2SXDkaNOU4

    That's an example of recording chickens.

    When I first looked at them, they were asleep
    and piled against one another (because the air
    temperature is a bit low). The last time I looked,
    they were spaced apart a bit and maybe waking up.

    None of them seemed to be discussing plans for an escape.

    Paul

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Theo on Mon Jan 13 09:02:36 2025
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

    Can you get power or wired ethernet to it? Battery solutions are more tricky than things powered all day. POE allows running from just wired ethernet and there are cheap splitters to barrel or USB.

    Yes, power is easy, there's outdoor 13A sockets nearby and the
    chickens have a photocell operated door which runs from a 12v supply.


    What spare kit do you have? An old smartphone can work as a camera to
    stream to a server for example.

    Quite a few old smartphones around, I think, Moto E5 and Moto G5 if I
    remember.


    If this is a full time all weather thing not a 24h lashup then that changes things.

    It could actually look out through a window and thus be all indoors.

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    Chris Green
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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to RJH on Mon Jan 13 09:05:56 2025
    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 12 Jan 2025 at 20:10:37 GMT, Chris Green wrote:

    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

    I bought one of these, and set it running above the front door on 25th October.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0BL31XPYG

    It's still working - so going on 3 months on one charge in low light and about
    as cold as it gets.

    I'd imagine 24 hour recording might hammer the battery to a greater extent. The picture quality is pretty good, movement capture has been fine but has missed a few (maybe a placement issue), and the PIR-activated light is pretty effective.

    You are, however, locked into their cloud phone app to access the files wirelessly or away from home (included at no cost). It does also record to an onboard SD card - I've not looked at that yet.

    I'd really prefer something to record direct to a 'computer'. I have
    a server that runs continuously and several SBCs (a Pi and some
    Beaglobone Blacks) monitoring things. The chickens are within a few
    metres of access to power and the home LAN.

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    Chris Green
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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Jan 13 09:08:44 2025
    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 1/12/2025 3:10 PM, Chris Green wrote:
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?


    "Live chicken cam"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2SXDkaNOU4

    That's an example of recording chickens.

    When I first looked at them, they were asleep
    and piled against one another (because the air
    temperature is a bit low). The last time I looked,
    they were spaced apart a bit and maybe waking up.

    None of them seemed to be discussing plans for an escape.

    It's only one of ours that seems to be a budding Houdini! :-)

    We wouldn't worry except that they're supposed to be 'enclosed'
    because of chicken flu outbreaks at the moment. Normally they're all
    free to wander around the garden during the day.

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    Chris Green
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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 13 09:37:32 2025
    On 13/01/2025 09:02, Chris Green wrote:
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the
    house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

    Can you get power or wired ethernet to it? Battery solutions are more tricky >> than things powered all day. POE allows running from just wired ethernet and >> there are cheap splitters to barrel or USB.

    Yes, power is easy, there's outdoor 13A sockets nearby and the
    chickens have a photocell operated door which runs from a 12v supply.


    What spare kit do you have? An old smartphone can work as a camera to
    stream to a server for example.

    Quite a few old smartphones around, I think, Moto E5 and Moto G5 if I remember.


    If this is a full time all weather thing not a 24h lashup then that changes >> things.

    It could actually look out through a window and thus be all indoors.

    USB webcam plugged into the computer. I used this with a Win7 laptop
    (can't remember which program*) when I wanted to see what was coming
    into the garden in the early hours. The program only started to record
    when a change in scene (motion) was detected, so not that much of the
    laptop's HD was used if it was a calm night.

    * Probably something like <https://www.yawcam.com/>

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    Jeff

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 13 11:28:03 2025
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 20:10:37 +0000
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the
    house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house
    LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?


    Well, first you need to watch Aardman's Chicken Run...

    --
    Joe

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Mon Jan 13 13:19:40 2025
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/01/2025 09:02, Chris Green wrote:
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the >>> house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN. >>>
    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

    Can you get power or wired ethernet to it? Battery solutions are more tricky
    than things powered all day. POE allows running from just wired ethernet and
    there are cheap splitters to barrel or USB.

    Yes, power is easy, there's outdoor 13A sockets nearby and the
    chickens have a photocell operated door which runs from a 12v supply.


    What spare kit do you have? An old smartphone can work as a camera to
    stream to a server for example.

    Quite a few old smartphones around, I think, Moto E5 and Moto G5 if I remember.


    If this is a full time all weather thing not a 24h lashup then that changes
    things.

    It could actually look out through a window and thus be all indoors.

    USB webcam plugged into the computer. I used this with a Win7 laptop
    (can't remember which program*) when I wanted to see what was coming
    into the garden in the early hours. The program only started to record
    when a change in scene (motion) was detected, so not that much of the laptop's HD was used if it was a calm night.

    There are various apps to turn an old smartphone into a USB webcam: https://www.wired.com/story/use-your-phone-as-webcam/

    and then you can run everything on the PC. Assuming it's close enough to be connected by USB cable.

    There are probably also 'security camera' apps that will do it all on the phone, assuming you have enough storage on the phone (SD card?): https://www.cnet.com/home/security/turn-an-obsolete-phone-into-a-free-security-camera-with-3-easy-steps/

    One difference over a purpose built security camera is the night vision may
    not be as good - maybe you can provide some temporary lighting?

    Theo

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 13 15:06:56 2025
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 20:10:37 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the house
    so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

    We use
    <https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09B44P6C2>
    to watch our hedgehog feeding area.

    At the moment it talks to the cloud as well as recording to the cloud, but
    the documentation says it also supports a direct protocol to a local
    server.

    I haven't experimented with that yet.

    Cheers



    Dave R

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  • From Timatmarford@21:1/5 to Theo on Mon Jan 13 14:51:34 2025
    On 13/01/2025 13:19, Theo wrote:
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/01/2025 09:02, Chris Green wrote:
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the >>>>> house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN. >>>>>
    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I >>>>> guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

    Can you get power or wired ethernet to it? Battery solutions are more tricky
    than things powered all day. POE allows running from just wired ethernet and
    there are cheap splitters to barrel or USB.

    Yes, power is easy, there's outdoor 13A sockets nearby and the
    chickens have a photocell operated door which runs from a 12v supply.


    What spare kit do you have? An old smartphone can work as a camera to >>>> stream to a server for example.

    Quite a few old smartphones around, I think, Moto E5 and Moto G5 if I
    remember.


    If this is a full time all weather thing not a 24h lashup then that changes
    things.

    It could actually look out through a window and thus be all indoors.

    USB webcam plugged into the computer. I used this with a Win7 laptop
    (can't remember which program*) when I wanted to see what was coming
    into the garden in the early hours. The program only started to record
    when a change in scene (motion) was detected, so not that much of the
    laptop's HD was used if it was a calm night.

    There are various apps to turn an old smartphone into a USB webcam: https://www.wired.com/story/use-your-phone-as-webcam/

    and then you can run everything on the PC. Assuming it's close enough to be connected by USB cable.

    There are probably also 'security camera' apps that will do it all on the phone, assuming you have enough storage on the phone (SD card?): https://www.cnet.com/home/security/turn-an-obsolete-phone-into-a-free-security-camera-with-3-easy-steps/

    One difference over a purpose built security camera is the night vision may not be as good - maybe you can provide some temporary lighting?

    Chickens don't do anything in the dark:-)

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 13 19:54:29 2025
    On 12/01/2025 20:10, Chris Green wrote:
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out. The current chicken enclosure is very close to the
    house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

    Duck-tape a BBC microbit to her and program it to report
    all her movements.

    Or go down the black box approach and use an apple airtag?

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Timatmarford on Mon Jan 13 19:57:00 2025
    On 13/01/2025 14:51, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 13/01/2025 13:19, Theo wrote:
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/01/2025 09:02, Chris Green wrote:
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how >>>>>> she's getting out.  The current chicken enclosure is very close to >>>>>> the
    house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house >>>>>> LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I >>>>>> guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

    Can you get power or wired ethernet to it? Battery solutions are
    more tricky
    than things powered all day. POE allows running from just wired
    ethernet and
    there are cheap splitters to barrel or USB.

    Yes, power is easy, there's outdoor 13A sockets nearby and the
    chickens have a photocell operated door which runs from a 12v supply.


    What spare kit do you have?  An old smartphone can work as a camera to >>>>> stream to a server for example.

    Quite a few old smartphones around, I think, Moto E5 and Moto G5 if I
    remember.


    If this is a full time all weather thing not a 24h lashup then that
    changes
    things.

    It could actually look out through a window and thus be all indoors.

    USB webcam plugged into the computer. I used this with a Win7 laptop
    (can't remember which program*) when I wanted to see what was coming
    into the garden in the early hours. The program only started to record
    when a change in scene (motion) was detected, so not that much of the
    laptop's HD was used if it was a calm night.

    There are various apps to turn an old smartphone into a USB webcam:
    https://www.wired.com/story/use-your-phone-as-webcam/

    and then you can run everything on the PC.  Assuming it's close enough
    to be
    connected by USB cable.

    There are probably also 'security camera' apps that will do it all on the
    phone, assuming you have enough storage on the phone (SD card?):
    https://www.cnet.com/home/security/turn-an-obsolete-phone-into-a-free-
    security-camera-with-3-easy-steps/

    One difference over a purpose built security camera is the night
    vision may
    not be as good - maybe you can provide some temporary lighting?

    Chickens don't do anything in the dark:-)

    That's just what they _want_ you to think!

    In the land of the diurnal chicken, the nocturnal (or even crepuscular)
    chicken is king/W queen.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Fredxx on Mon Jan 13 20:03:08 2025
    On 13/01/2025 01:26, Fredxx wrote:
    On 12/01/2025 20:10, Chris Green wrote:
    This is as much for fun as anything.

    We have a chicken who keeps escaping and we'd like to find out how
    she's getting out.  The current chicken enclosure is very close to the
    house so is in easy reach of WiFi or wired connection to the house LAN.

    There's loads of disk space available to throw recordings at though I
    guess 24hrs worth should show us what we need,

    What do I need in the way of hardware and software to do this,
    preferably on the cheap?

    Simplest solution is a wildlife camera. Amazon have several but you will
    need batteries and an SD card that adds to the overall cost. Some take
    Li-ion 18650 batteries.

    For this application, I think I would go for a cheap Trail Cam/Wildlife
    camera.
    The main advantage is that you could move it to pretty much anywhere you
    like with no effort.
    I have one which is mounted on a short adjustable spike. Moving it to a different location takes only seconds. It can also be strapped to a
    tree or item of garden furniture, but that takes a little more tweaking.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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