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  • Re: The digital age

    From Andrew@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Tue Jan 14 13:10:37 2025
    On 13/01/2025 23:13, pinnerite wrote:
    I reckon Im received my NI Number inn 1956.

    Today I wanted to create a personal tax account with HMRC.
    I handn't needed one previously because I used my tax agent account.
    (I retired at the end of 2024).

    The HMRC asked for my NI number.


    NI numbers are not allocated at birth, even now, AFAIK.

    How did you get an NI number that far back if you have
    only recently retired ?. Something doesn't seem to add up.

    Andrew

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Andrew on Tue Jan 14 14:15:55 2025
    On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:10:37 +0000, Andrew wrote:

    On 13/01/2025 23:13, pinnerite wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    NI numbers are not allocated at birth, even now, AFAIK.

    They also aren't unique.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 14 14:40:14 2025
    On 14/01/2025 14:15, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:10:37 +0000, Andrew wrote:

    On 13/01/2025 23:13, pinnerite wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    NI numbers are not allocated at birth, even now, AFAIK.

    They also aren't unique.

    They *should* be, else they are pointless

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com on Tue Jan 14 15:30:02 2025
    In article <vm5rir$2cva1$1@dont-email.me>,
    Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:10:37 +0000, Andrew wrote:

    On 13/01/2025 23:13, pinnerite wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    NI numbers are not allocated at birth, even now, AFAIK.

    They also aren't unique.

    They supposed to be

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to charles on Tue Jan 14 15:57:27 2025
    On 14/01/2025 15:30, charles wrote:
    In article <vm5rir$2cva1$1@dont-email.me>,
    Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:10:37 +0000, Andrew wrote:

    On 13/01/2025 23:13, pinnerite wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    NI numbers are not allocated at birth, even now, AFAIK.

    They also aren't unique.

    They supposed to be

    NI numbers are unique, issued at or before the 16th birthday or under
    other special circumstances

    Why not simply look it up instead of arguing?

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f16a9e5274a2e87db3b96/nino-staff-guide-intro.pdf

    --
    “The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
    the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

    - Bertrand Russell

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  • From David Wade@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Tue Jan 14 16:58:19 2025
    On 13/01/2025 23:13, pinnerite wrote:
    I reckon Im received my NI Number inn 1956.

    Today I wanted to create a personal tax account with HMRC.
    I handn't needed one previously because I used my tax agent account.
    (I retired at the end of 2024).

    The HMRC asked for my NI number.

    I read it straight off my last coding notice.

    The website replied: We have no record etc.

    I managed to sort it out but I had made no mistake..

    I have had similar problems with banks this year.
    Sometimes their software updates caused havoc.
    It is unbelievable that they do not test adequately before releasing.



    Define "Adequately". I used to write and distribute software. No matter
    how much testing we did, there were always bugs. If its "on premises"
    hardware you need a duplicate of everthing.....

    Dave

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to Andrew on Tue Jan 14 17:06:56 2025
    On 14 Jan 2025 at 13:10:37 GMT, "Andrew" <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 13/01/2025 23:13, pinnerite wrote:
    I reckon Im received my NI Number inn 1956.

    Today I wanted to create a personal tax account with HMRC.
    I handn't needed one previously because I used my tax agent account.
    (I retired at the end of 2024).

    The HMRC asked for my NI number.

    NI numbers are not allocated at birth, even now, AFAIK.

    How did you get an NI number that far back if you have
    only recently retired ?. Something doesn't seem to add up.

    My NI number was allocated some 60 years ago, when I left school. How else
    d'ye think they allocate your NI payments to the appropriate account without
    an NI number to tie it to?

    --
    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

    HL Mencken

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to David Wade on Tue Jan 14 17:13:10 2025
    On 14 Jan 2025 at 16:58:19 GMT, "David Wade" <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:

    On 13/01/2025 23:13, pinnerite wrote:
    I reckon Im received my NI Number inn 1956.

    Today I wanted to create a personal tax account with HMRC.
    I handn't needed one previously because I used my tax agent account.
    (I retired at the end of 2024).

    The HMRC asked for my NI number.

    I read it straight off my last coding notice.

    The website replied: We have no record etc.

    I managed to sort it out but I had made no mistake..

    I have had similar problems with banks this year.
    Sometimes their software updates caused havoc.
    It is unbelievable that they do not test adequately before releasing.

    Define "Adequately". I used to write and distribute software. No matter
    how much testing we did, there were always bugs.

    I still write and distribute software. Mr pinnerite was using a browser, not some random bit of hardware the devs may not have access to. Writing to standards such as HTML5 helps, as does ignoring rubbish browsers from Microsoft.

    --
    The EU Parliament. The only parliament in the world that can neither initiate nor repeal legislation.

    Robert Kimbell

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  • From mm0fmf@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Jan 14 16:38:00 2025
    On 14/01/2025 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    instead of arguing?

    Are you new here?

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Wed Jan 15 11:57:31 2025
    On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 15:57:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 14/01/2025 15:30, charles wrote:
    In article <vm5rir$2cva1$1@dont-email.me>,
    Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:10:37 +0000, Andrew wrote:

    On 13/01/2025 23:13, pinnerite wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    NI numbers are not allocated at birth, even now, AFAIK.

    They also aren't unique.

    They supposed to be

    NI numbers are unique, issued at or before the 16th birthday or under
    other special circumstances

    Why not simply look it up instead of arguing?

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f16a9e5274a2e87db3b96/
    nino-staff-guide-intro.pdf

    I really don't care what the service that will get into trouble if it
    turns out there are duplicates says.

    I know someone who had an NI number that was also issued to someone else.
    It was discovered in the early 1990s when they had to make a "social
    security" claim and was told they hadn't paid any NI. A quick display of
    PAYE payslips with said NI being credited sorted things out.

    This was done in person in the office. Apparently it "wasn't unknown" and
    my friend was lucky it had been spotted so soon. There were tales of
    people going to claim a pension only to be told they hadn't paid any NI.

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