Starbucks is now reported to be about to insist that anybody using its facilities buys something. I would in principle have some sympathy with
this, after all, the facilities cost something to maintain.

But: I used to fly frequently out of Detroit Metro Airport. There was
the huge modern terminal, complete with a mini Metro line, built for
NorthWest Airlines (now part of Delta), and a little old terminal where everybody else flew from. For a morning flight, one had to check in, go
through security, and then twiddle one's thumbs for over an hour. There
was one coffee stall open, a Starbucks. You just wanted something to
wet your whistle, but not enough to require a subsequent trip to the
toilets, or heaven forbid, a trip to the toilets while on board the
'plane. These were not large aircraft. The coffee stall had a display
of various cup sizes, ranging from small to medium to large to
gigantic. Of this range, the smallest on offer was a 'Tall', which was
12 ounces of coffee, most of which had to be either thrown away, or
left for the cleaners to deal with. What a waste, and what a rip-off.
The 'Short', 8 ounces, would have been fine, or even the 'Demi', 3
ounces, for any Italians.

So I have no sympathy with Starbucks wishing to save their money, when
they are good at extracting ours from our pockets.

--
Davey.

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Davey wrote:

There was one coffee stall open, a Starbucks [...] The coffee stall
had a display of various cup sizes, ranging from small to medium to
large to gigantic. Of this range, the smallest on offer was a
'Tall', which was 12 ounces of coffee

They have a menu-hack item available as an 8oz "Short" cup, but it's
never advertised. There's also a 3oz "Demi" cup but that's just for
espresso shot(s), not any other drink.

I think you can ask for a filter coffee for $cheap. They don't advertise
it.

Anyhow, at an airport the toilets are presumably run by the airport not the franchisee, and this policy won't apply?

Theo

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Davey wrote:

There was one coffee stall open, a Starbucks [...] The coffee stall
had a display of various cup sizes, ranging from small to medium to
large to gigantic. Of this range, the smallest on offer was a
'Tall', which was 12 ounces of coffee

They have a menu-hack item available as an 8oz "Short" cup, but it's
never advertised. There's also a 3oz "Demi" cup but that's just for
espresso shot(s), not any other drink.

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 12:56:00 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Davey wrote:

There was one coffee stall open, a Starbucks [...] The coffee stall had
a display of various cup sizes, ranging from small to medium to large
to gigantic. Of this range, the smallest on offer was a 'Tall', which
was 12 ounces of coffee

They have a menu-hack item available as an 8oz "Short" cup, but it's
never advertised. There's also a 3oz "Demi" cup but that's just for
espresso shot(s), not any other drink.

I don't like Starbuck's coffee.

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In article <vm8g7q$2vpuh$1@dont-email.me>,
jon <reading.mostly@crap.org> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 12:56:00 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Davey wrote:

There was one coffee stall open, a Starbucks [...] The coffee stall had
a display of various cup sizes, ranging from small to medium to large
to gigantic. Of this range, the smallest on offer was a 'Tall', which
was 12 ounces of coffee

They have a menu-hack item available as an 8oz "Short" cup, but it's
never advertised. There's also a 3oz "Demi" cup but that's just for espresso shot(s), not any other drink.

I don't like Starbuck's coffee.

I used not to, but I think it's changed for the better. (too many EV
charging points are beside Starbucks, so I got a bit forced to re-try.)

--
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 12:56:00 +0000
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Davey wrote:

There was one coffee stall open, a Starbucks [...] The coffee stall
had a display of various cup sizes, ranging from small to medium to
large to gigantic. Of this range, the smallest on offer was a
'Tall', which was 12 ounces of coffee

They have a menu-hack item available as an 8oz "Short" cup, but it's
never advertised. There's also a 3oz "Demi" cup but that's just for
espresso shot(s), not any other drink.

Yes, I listed those in my OP. but they certainly were not
available/advertised in the terminal. The display showed size(s)
smaller than the 'Tall', but they could not/would not serve them.

--
Davey.

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On 15 Jan 2025 13:03:51 +0000 (GMT)
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Davey wrote:

There was one coffee stall open, a Starbucks [...] The coffee
stall had a display of various cup sizes, ranging from small to
medium to large to gigantic. Of this range, the smallest on offer
was a 'Tall', which was 12 ounces of coffee

They have a menu-hack item available as an 8oz "Short" cup, but
it's never advertised. There's also a 3oz "Demi" cup but that's
just for espresso shot(s), not any other drink.

I think you can ask for a filter coffee for $cheap. They don't
advertise it.

Anyhow, at an airport the toilets are presumably run by the airport
not the franchisee, and this policy won't apply?

Theo

No, I was just commenting on my experience with Starbuscks as a vendor
of coffee. I, and many other early morning flyers wanted a small
coffee, but it wasn't available at the only coffee seller in the
terminal.

--
Davey.

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On 15/01/2025 15:52, Davey wrote:

No, I was just commenting on my experience with Starbuscks as a vendor
of coffee. I, and many other early morning flyers wanted a small
coffee, but it wasn't available at the only coffee seller in the
terminal.

One time flying a very small plane from a very regional airport, they
gave us all (excellent) free coffee while we waited.
They didnt tell us the plane had no toilet...

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 14:20:42 -0000 (UTC), jon
<reading.mostly@crap.org> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 12:56:00 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Davey wrote:

There was one coffee stall open, a Starbucks [...] The coffee stall had
a display of various cup sizes, ranging from small to medium to large
to gigantic. Of this range, the smallest on offer was a 'Tall', which
was 12 ounces of coffee

They have a menu-hack item available as an 8oz "Short" cup, but it's
never advertised. There's also a 3oz "Demi" cup but that's just for
espresso shot(s), not any other drink.

I don't like Starbuck's coffee.

As my brother says, I prefer coffee.

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 12:36:03 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

Starbucks is now reported to be about to insist that anybody using its >facilities buys something. I would in principle have some sympathy with
this, after all, the facilities cost something to maintain.

But: I used to fly frequently out of Detroit Metro Airport. There was
the huge modern terminal, complete with a mini Metro line, built for >NorthWest Airlines (now part of Delta), and a little old terminal where >everybody else flew from. For a morning flight, one had to check in, go >through security, and then twiddle one's thumbs for over an hour. There
was one coffee stall open, a Starbucks. You just wanted something to
wet your whistle, but not enough to require a subsequent trip to the
toilets, or heaven forbid, a trip to the toilets while on board the
'plane. These were not large aircraft. The coffee stall had a display
of various cup sizes, ranging from small to medium to large to
gigantic. Of this range, the smallest on offer was a 'Tall', which was
12 ounces of coffee, most of which had to be either thrown away, or
left for the cleaners to deal with. What a waste, and what a rip-off.
The 'Short', 8 ounces, would have been fine, or even the 'Demi', 3
ounces, for any Italians.

So I have no sympathy with Starbucks wishing to save their money, when
they are good at extracting ours from our pockets.

They are, or at least were, also good at avoiding UK tax by
pretending, quite legitimately, to be operating as a franchise in the
UK and repatriating most of their profits as tax-deductible royalties.

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On 15/01/2025 12:36, Davey wrote:

The coffee stall had a display

of various cup sizes, ranging from small to medium to large to
gigantic. Of this range, the smallest on offer was a 'Tall', which was
12 ounces of coffee, most of which had to be either thrown away, or
left for the cleaners to deal with. What a waste, and what a rip-off.
The 'Short', 8 ounces, would have been fine, or even the 'Demi', 3
ounces, for any Italians.

YouTube: Small is Tall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFLs9RI8mSA


--
Adrian C

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 16:20:20 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/01/2025 15:52, Davey wrote:

No, I was just commenting on my experience with Starbuscks as a
vendor of coffee. I, and many other early morning flyers wanted a
small coffee, but it wasn't available at the only coffee seller in
the terminal.

One time flying a very small plane from a very regional airport, they
gave us all (excellent) free coffee while we waited.
They didnt tell us the plane had no toilet...

Sometime in the late 20th century, America opened up the skies to
smaller airlines. Literally, I checked in my bag at BrittAir, to
a guy at the counter, I later saw him carrying our bags out to the
15-seater 'plane, and then he changed his hat and got into the pilot's
seat and flew us away. There was no co-pilot, and no room for any cabin service, and certainly no onboard toilets. The saying "A Wing and a
Prayer" came to mind.
--
Davey.

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 20:41:19 +0000
Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> wrote:

On 15/01/2025 12:36, Davey wrote:

The coffee stall had a display

of various cup sizes, ranging from small to medium to large to
gigantic. Of this range, the smallest on offer was a 'Tall', which
was 12 ounces of coffee, most of which had to be either thrown
away, or left for the cleaners to deal with. What a waste, and what
a rip-off. The 'Short', 8 ounces, would have been fine, or even the
'Demi', 3 ounces, for any Italians.

YouTube: Small is Tall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFLs9RI8mSA

I feel her pain.

--
Davey.

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 22:57:38 +0000, Davey wrote:

Sometime in the late 20th century, America opened up the skies to
smaller airlines. Literally, I checked in my bag at BrittAir, to a guy
at the counter, I later saw him carrying our bags out to the 15-seater 'plane, and then he changed his hat and got into the pilot's seat and
flew us away. There was no co-pilot, and no room for any cabin service,
and certainly no onboard toilets. The saying "A Wing and a Prayer" came
to mind.

THere's a story about a LoganAir flight (Scottish islands) many years ago,
with the pilot separated from the (few) passengers by just a curtain. No specific staff uniform.

Pilot made himself scarce before boardding, then arrived and just sta in a spare passenger seat, constantly looking at his watch and complaining (no
other aircraft, and it was a very short flight). Eventually he said, exasparated "Sod this, I'm not waiting any longer" and climbed into the
pilot's seat and took off.

Some of the passengers knew him by sight, but some didn't...



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On 16 Jan 2025 00:21:32 GMT
Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 22:57:38 +0000, Davey wrote:

Sometime in the late 20th century, America opened up the skies to
smaller airlines. Literally, I checked in my bag at BrittAir, to a
guy at the counter, I later saw him carrying our bags out to the
15-seater 'plane, and then he changed his hat and got into the
pilot's seat and flew us away. There was no co-pilot, and no room
for any cabin service, and certainly no onboard toilets. The saying
"A Wing and a Prayer" came to mind.

THere's a story about a LoganAir flight (Scottish islands) many years
ago, with the pilot separated from the (few) passengers by just a
curtain. No specific staff uniform.

Pilot made himself scarce before boardding, then arrived and just sta
in a spare passenger seat, constantly looking at his watch and
complaining (no other aircraft, and it was a very short flight).
Eventually he said, exasparated "Sod this, I'm not waiting any
longer" and climbed into the pilot's seat and took off.

Some of the passengers knew him by sight, but some didn't...

Nice one!

When my wife and I were on a local flight from Fairbanks, Alaska, to
north of the Arctic Circle, the co-pilot told us to look out of the
window so we could see the dotted line as used on maps to show the
position on the ground of the Circle.

--
Davey.

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Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 16:20:20 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/01/2025 15:52, Davey wrote:

No, I was just commenting on my experience with Starbuscks as a
vendor of coffee. I, and many other early morning flyers wanted a
small coffee, but it wasn't available at the only coffee seller in
the terminal.

One time flying a very small plane from a very regional airport, they
gave us all (excellent) free coffee while we waited.
They didnt tell us the plane had no toilet...

Sometime in the late 20th century, America opened up the skies to
smaller airlines. Literally, I checked in my bag at BrittAir, to
a guy at the counter, I later saw him carrying our bags out to the
15-seater 'plane, and then he changed his hat and got into the pilot's
seat and flew us away. There was no co-pilot, and no room for any cabin service, and certainly no onboard toilets. The saying "A Wing and a
Prayer" came to mind.

I flew on one like that! ISTR that it had de Havilland propellers. The
pilot flew with the cabin door open, and it was easy to see we were flying
at 18000ft, and right next to the altimeter was a notice saying “Air conditioner not to be used above 14000ft”. The aircon was on…but we landed OK at Dulles.

--
Spike

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On 15/01/2025 20:41, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 15/01/2025 12:36, Davey wrote:

The coffee stall had a display

of various cup sizes, ranging from small to medium to large to
gigantic. Of this range, the smallest on offer was a 'Tall', which was
12 ounces of coffee, most of which had to be either thrown away, or
left for the cleaners to deal with. What a waste, and what a rip-off.
The 'Short', 8 ounces, would have been fine, or even the 'Demi', 3
ounces, for any Italians.

YouTube: Small is Tall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFLs9RI8mSA

All cups are the same size

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Vrcf1oHTdt0

Yes, I know it can be deceiving with tapered cups with a different
final diameters. The short measure is not linear with the depth between
the top of a cup and the top of the liquid if the cups are a different
diameter and with a different taper.

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alan_m wrote:

All cups are the same size
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Vrcf1oHTdt0

Yes, I know it can be deceiving with tapered cups with a  different
final diameters.

Best way to deceive is not show whether the larger cups are empty at the
start.

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