So having decided that the current dual basket (5/3L) air fryer we have
is definitely flaky (see "air fryer beeping" thread) replacing it seems a good idea. Especially as it's covered by a 3 year guarantee.
However the same model is no longer available from the retailer - it
seems that dual baskets are almost exclusively symmetrical 4/4L. (I
suspect this is manufacturers driving consumer choice).
The annoying thing here is the 5L basket (19cm width) we have takes 3
10cm frozen burgers completely flat. Any smaller (e.g; 15cm width for a
4L version) and it's not possible to lie all 3 flat.
I will be experimenting with standing them vertically - however I
wondered if anyone here has any advice.
As usual Googling now just returns recipes or retailers for air fryers
and burger. And I really can't face any more redditing this year.
Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
So having decided that the current dual basket (5/3L) air fryer we have
is definitely flaky (see "air fryer beeping" thread) replacing it seems
a good idea. Especially as it's covered by a 3 year guarantee.
However the same model is no longer available from the retailer - it
seems that dual baskets are almost exclusively symmetrical 4/4L. (I
suspect this is manufacturers driving consumer choice).
The annoying thing here is the 5L basket (19cm width) we have takes 3
10cm frozen burgers completely flat. Any smaller (e.g; 15cm width for a
4L version) and it's not possible to lie all 3 flat.
I will be experimenting with standing them vertically - however I
wondered if anyone here has any advice.
I’m not sure I would recommend stacking burgers vertically, if your air fryer is the sort that has a fan over the heating element and the food
below that.
Almost certainly there will be some radiant heat effect, and the tops of
the burgers will be very much nearer the element and are likely to burn
while the rest of the burgers will be cooking more slowly.
We have a Cosori single 5.5 litre basket, and it’s proved to be
excellent for roast vegetables, salmon, and toasted teacakes.
In the two years we’ve owned the Cosori, we’ve used the main oven ten times and the air fryer over seven hundred.
As usual Googling now just returns recipes or retailers for air fryers
and burger. And I really can't face any more redditing this year.
Avoid Google like the plague, is my modus.
So having decided that the current dual basket (5/3L) air fryer we have
is definitely flaky (see "air fryer beeping" thread) replacing it seems a good idea. Especially as it's covered by a 3 year guarantee.
However the same model is no longer available from the retailer - it
seems that dual baskets are almost exclusively symmetrical 4/4L. (I
suspect this is manufacturers driving consumer choice).
The annoying thing here is the 5L basket (19cm width) we have takes 3
10cm frozen burgers completely flat. Any smaller (e.g; 15cm width for a
4L version) and it's not possible to lie all 3 flat.
On 15/01/2025 16:39, Jethro_uk wrote:
So having decided that the current dual basket (5/3L) air fryer we have
is definitely flaky (see "air fryer beeping" thread) replacing it seems
a good idea. Especially as it's covered by a 3 year guarantee.
However the same model is no longer available from the retailer - it
seems that dual baskets are almost exclusively symmetrical 4/4L. (I
suspect this is manufacturers driving consumer choice).
The annoying thing here is the 5L basket (19cm width) we have takes 3
10cm frozen burgers completely flat. Any smaller (e.g; 15cm width for a
4L version) and it's not possible to lie all 3 flat.
I will be experimenting with standing them vertically - however I
wondered if anyone here has any advice.
As usual Googling now just returns recipes or retailers for air fryers
and burger. And I really can't face any more redditing this year.
Could you split the patties, cook them, then reassemble into the buns?
So having decided that the current dual basket (5/3L) air fryer we have
is definitely flaky (see "air fryer beeping" thread) replacing it seems a good idea. Especially as it's covered by a 3 year guarantee.
However the same model is no longer available from the retailer - it
seems that dual baskets are almost exclusively symmetrical 4/4L. (I
suspect this is manufacturers driving consumer choice).
The annoying thing here is the 5L basket (19cm width) we have takes 3
10cm frozen burgers completely flat. Any smaller (e.g; 15cm width for a
4L version) and it's not possible to lie all 3 flat.
I will be experimenting with standing them vertically - however I
wondered if anyone here has any advice.
As usual Googling now just returns recipes or retailers for air fryers
and burger. And I really can't face any more redditing this year.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:40:15 +0000, Peter Able wrote:
On 15/01/2025 16:39, Jethro_uk wrote:
So having decided that the current dual basket (5/3L) air fryer we have
is definitely flaky (see "air fryer beeping" thread) replacing it seems
a good idea. Especially as it's covered by a 3 year guarantee.
However the same model is no longer available from the retailer - it
seems that dual baskets are almost exclusively symmetrical 4/4L. (I
suspect this is manufacturers driving consumer choice).
The annoying thing here is the 5L basket (19cm width) we have takes 3
10cm frozen burgers completely flat. Any smaller (e.g; 15cm width for a
4L version) and it's not possible to lie all 3 flat.
I will be experimenting with standing them vertically - however I
wondered if anyone here has any advice.
As usual Googling now just returns recipes or retailers for air fryers
and burger. And I really can't face any more redditing this year.
Could you split the patties, cook them, then reassemble into the buns?
We are only cooking the patties - buns are fresh.
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 17:10:45 +0000, Spike wrote:
Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
So having decided that the current dual basket (5/3L) air fryer we have
is definitely flaky (see "air fryer beeping" thread) replacing it seems
a good idea. Especially as it's covered by a 3 year guarantee.
However the same model is no longer available from the retailer - it
seems that dual baskets are almost exclusively symmetrical 4/4L. (I
suspect this is manufacturers driving consumer choice).
The annoying thing here is the 5L basket (19cm width) we have takes 3
10cm frozen burgers completely flat. Any smaller (e.g; 15cm width for a
4L version) and it's not possible to lie all 3 flat.
I will be experimenting with standing them vertically - however I
wondered if anyone here has any advice.
I’m not sure I would recommend stacking burgers vertically, if your air
fryer is the sort that has a fan over the heating element and the food
below that.
Almost certainly there will be some radiant heat effect, and the tops of
the burgers will be very much nearer the element and are likely to burn
while the rest of the burgers will be cooking more slowly.
Good point
On 15 Jan 2025 at 17:26:50 GMT, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 17:10:45 +0000, Spike wrote:
Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
So having decided that the current dual basket (5/3L) air fryer we have >>>> is definitely flaky (see "air fryer beeping" thread) replacing it seems >>>> a good idea. Especially as it's covered by a 3 year guarantee.
However the same model is no longer available from the retailer - it
seems that dual baskets are almost exclusively symmetrical 4/4L. (I
suspect this is manufacturers driving consumer choice).
The annoying thing here is the 5L basket (19cm width) we have takes 3
10cm frozen burgers completely flat. Any smaller (e.g; 15cm width for a >>>> 4L version) and it's not possible to lie all 3 flat.
I will be experimenting with standing them vertically - however I
wondered if anyone here has any advice.
I’m not sure I would recommend stacking burgers vertically, if your air >>> fryer is the sort that has a fan over the heating element and the food
below that.
Almost certainly there will be some radiant heat effect, and the tops of >>> the burgers will be very much nearer the element and are likely to burn
while the rest of the burgers will be cooking more slowly.
Good point
I'm not convinced. The heat seems to be pretty evenly distributed.
I usually stack bigger items house-of-cards style to start and give them a shake half way through.
Favourite of the moment: Lidl Cumberland plant based sausages, 10 minutes at 180C.
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
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The *radiant* heat isn’t evenly distributed, it’s perhaps one reason why the manufacturers recommend using pre-heat, to avoid over-cooking parts
of the food.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 11:50:38 +0000, Spike wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
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The *radiant* heat isn’t evenly distributed, it’s perhaps one reason why >> the manufacturers recommend using pre-heat, to avoid over-cooking parts
of the food.
One of the YT channels I follow with deep tech dives found no difference
with preheating when cooking in an air fryer. Admittedly a small test of fries.
We don't preheat and haven't noticed any issues.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 11:50:38 +0000, Spike wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
[quoted text muted]
The *radiant* heat isn’t evenly distributed, it’s perhaps one reason
why the manufacturers recommend using pre-heat, to avoid over-cooking
parts of the food.
One of the YT channels I follow with deep tech dives found no difference
with preheating when cooking in an air fryer. Admittedly a small test of fries.
We don't preheat and haven't noticed any issues.
So having purchased a 4/4L model, and used it last night:
- seems chips cooked 30% faster in the 4L basket than the 3L one
previously.
- burgers were fine with some attention while cooking.
Interestingly this model - which seems to be a variant of our original
one (from Lakeland) has a feature which keeps the fans on for about 2-3 minutes after cooking. The previous one didn't do this. I wonder if this
is intended to prevent the electronics taking too much of a punishment,
given the failure mode of the previous model.
Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
So having purchased a 4/4L model, and used it last night:
- seems chips cooked 30% faster in the 4L basket than the 3L one
previously.
- burgers were fine with some attention while cooking.
Interestingly this model - which seems to be a variant of our original
one (from Lakeland) has a feature which keeps the fans on for about 2-3
minutes after cooking. The previous one didn't do this. I wonder if this
is intended to prevent the electronics taking too much of a punishment,
given the failure mode of the previous model.
Many of them circulate fresh air around the sides before blowing it past the heating element, so the outsides stay cool and they can get away with a plastic outer rather than a metal one. They likely need the fans to run on to ensure the internal heat doesn't transmit enough to melt the plastic outside.
They may also use that air to cool the electronics in the process, although perhaps the potential emitted VOCs from the electronics makes that air no longer food safe and it would have to be via a heatsink in the airflow and not the electronics themselves.
Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
So having decided that the current dual basket (5/3L) air fryer we have
is definitely flaky (see "air fryer beeping" thread) replacing it seems a
good idea. Especially as it's covered by a 3 year guarantee.
However the same model is no longer available from the retailer - it
seems that dual baskets are almost exclusively symmetrical 4/4L. (I
suspect this is manufacturers driving consumer choice).
The annoying thing here is the 5L basket (19cm width) we have takes 3
10cm frozen burgers completely flat. Any smaller (e.g; 15cm width for a
4L version) and it's not possible to lie all 3 flat.
I will be experimenting with standing them vertically - however I
wondered if anyone here has any advice.
I’m not sure I would recommend stacking burgers vertically, if your air fryer is the sort that has a fan over the heating element and the food
below that.
Almost certainly there will be some radiant heat effect, and the tops of
the burgers will be very much nearer the element and are likely to burn
while the rest of the burgers will be cooking more slowly.
On 17/01/2025 10:30, Jethro_uk wrote:
However to echo a PP, having this must have saved a fortune in
electricity compared to using grill and oven previously.
You really think so?
A grill on for ten minutes at let's say 1.5Kw...compared with an air
fryer on for 5...
so that is 5 minutes times 365 days times 1.5kWh/60
45kWh per year, or almost £10.
How much did the air fryer cost?
However to echo a PP, having this must have saved a fortune in
electricity compared to using grill and oven previously.
They may also use that air to cool the electronics in the process,
although perhaps the potential emitted VOCs from the electronics makes
that air no longer food safe and it would have to be via a heatsink in
the airflow and not the electronics themselves.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 11:19:49 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/01/2025 10:30, Jethro_uk wrote:
However to echo a PP, having this must have saved a fortune in
electricity compared to using grill and oven previously.
You really think so?
A grill on for ten minutes at let's say 1.5Kw...compared with an air
fryer on for 5...
so that is 5 minutes times 365 days times 1.5kWh/60
45kWh per year, or almost £10.
How much did the air fryer cost?
You are making the mistake of assuming the *only* driver for the purchase
was to save energy.
On 17/01/2025 12:04, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 11:19:49 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/01/2025 10:30, Jethro_uk wrote:
However to echo a PP, having this must have saved a fortune in
electricity compared to using grill and oven previously.
You really think so?
A grill on for ten minutes at let's say 1.5Kw...compared with an
air fryer on for 5...
so that is 5 minutes times 365 days times 1.5kWh/60
45kWh per year, or almost £10.
How much did the air fryer cost?
You are making the mistake of assuming the *only* driver for the
purchase was to save energy.
No. You are making the mistake that I was commenting on the purchase.
I was not, merely on the dubious logic that it 'saved a fortune'...
<snip irrelevancies>
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 14:01:39 +0000 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 17/01/2025 12:04, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 11:19:49 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/01/2025 10:30, Jethro_uk wrote:
However to echo a PP, having this must have saved a fortune in
electricity compared to using grill and oven previously.
You really think so?
A grill on for ten minutes at let's say 1.5Kw...compared with an air
fryer on for 5...
so that is 5 minutes times 365 days times 1.5kWh/60
45kWh per year, or almost £10.
How much did the air fryer cost?
You are making the mistake of assuming the *only* driver for the
purchase was to save energy.
No. You are making the mistake that I was commenting on the purchase.
I was not, merely on the dubious logic that it 'saved a fortune'...
<snip irrelevancies>
I think it saves a fair bit. You're comparing it to a grill, rather than
an oven, which probably averages 2kW, and has a 10-15 minute warm-up
time during which it's probably 4kW.
We have a halogen oven, which the air fryer developed from, with a 1.3kW element which is on for about a third of the cooking time. There is no warm-up period, the element runs a bit more from cold for two or three minutes. The halogen has an 11 litre borosilicate glass bowl, which is probably a significant part of the cost, which the air fryer doesn't
have. We're now on the third, over more than 14 years. We use the
kitchen built-in oven about twice a year, for major cooking, and the
halogen oven most days.
The big gain is convenience, particularly fairly short jobs which don't
have that warm-up time added on. It's also easy to see what's going on inside, with a nice, bright 1.3kW lamp on some of the time. And while
most built-in ovens are 'self-cleaning', this doesn't apply to splashes
and spills, which are a pain to remove from those surfaces. Smooth glass
is pretty easy to clean, usually with just a wipe with a damp cloth.
Air fryers aren't magic. The usually overlong "Sliced Bread" on BBC radio
did make the subtle point that whilst they are great for (say) 2 people,
if you are trying to cook for a family of 5 then any savings in power
would be wiped out by the need to run more than one batch for cooking.
Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
Air fryers aren't magic. The usually overlong "Sliced Bread" on BBC radio
did make the subtle point that whilst they are great for (say) 2 people,
if you are trying to cook for a family of 5 then any savings in power
would be wiped out by the need to run more than one batch for cooking.
Exactly, horses for courses. We have an air fryer (second try, much
better than the first) which we use quite a bit.
On 17/01/2025 21:21, Chris Green wrote:
Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
Air fryers aren't magic. The usually overlong "Sliced Bread" on BBC radio >> did make the subtle point that whilst they are great for (say) 2 people, >> if you are trying to cook for a family of 5 then any savings in power
would be wiped out by the need to run more than one batch for cooking.
Exactly, horses for courses. We have an air fryer (second try, much
better than the first) which we use quite a bit.
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