On 16 Jan 2025 at 16:51:17 GMT, "Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

I wll be very cautious in my use of language as many years ago I
described Vista as 'crap' and all hell broke loose when I was accused
of insulting behaviour, insulting Microsoft, insulting Bill Gates and possibly insulting the entire US nation.

Where was that? Insulting people is SOP here.

And see my sig, which happens to be apposite.

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HAL 9000: Dave. Put down those Windows disks. Dave. DAVE!

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On 16/01/2025 in message <audiojpmcvpmhi60t6rt8k44c1pd16m3hj@4ax.com>
Scott wrote:

Has anyone tried the 'New' Outlook: >https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/getting-started-with-the-new-outlook-for-windows-656bb8d9-5a60-49b2-a98b-ba7822bc7627
At the moment I am using installed Outlook, not outlook.com. Does New
Outlook offer any benefits and will I ultimately be required to
install it?

I wll be very cautious in my use of language as many years ago I
described Vista as 'crap' and all hell broke loose when I was accused
of insulting behaviour, insulting Microsoft, insulting Bill Gates and >possibly insulting the entire US nation.

From a brief look at the link it has AI and fewer features than previous versions which seems a pretty good reason to avoid it.

I use eM Client which is a good replacement and if you raise any
criticisms their support staff will tell you you are a twat and they won't
be making any changes so well up to MSFT standards. Essential PIM has come
on by leaps and bounds as well so is worth a look.

I spent the day putting Windows 8.1 back on a PC after Win 10 re-booted
itself last might to update and cost me hours of work.

Oh, and while I'm whining, you know the title bar used in all Windows
apps, the one that used to be coloured in accordance with your chosen
theme but nowadays might not be? Very useful to grab and move a window or
to double click to switch between full size and not on a window. Latest
MSFT standards now deem that the central portion of that bar is the proper place for a search function so even if you can find it it won't do what
you want anyway.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
640k ought to be enough for anyone.
(Bill Gates, 1981)

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Scott wrote:

Has anyone tried the 'New' Outlook:

Only on other people's computers!

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/getting-started-with-the-new- outlook-for-windows-656bb8d9-5a60-49b2-a98b-ba7822bc7627
At the moment I am using installed Outlook, not outlook.com. Does New
Outlook offer any benefits and will I ultimately be required to
install it?

It wasn't impressive (at least not for the right reasons).

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Has anyone tried the 'New' Outlook: https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/getting-started-with-the-new-outlook-for-windows-656bb8d9-5a60-49b2-a98b-ba7822bc7627
At the moment I am using installed Outlook, not outlook.com. Does New
Outlook offer any benefits and will I ultimately be required to
install it?

I wll be very cautious in my use of language as many years ago I
described Vista as 'crap' and all hell broke loose when I was accused
of insulting behaviour, insulting Microsoft, insulting Bill Gates and
possibly insulting the entire US nation.

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On 16 Jan 2025 at 17:12:15 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

Oh, and while I'm whining, you know the title bar used in all Windows
apps, the one that used to be coloured in accordance with your chosen
theme but nowadays might not be? Very useful to grab and move a window or
to double click to switch between full size and not on a window. Latest
MSFT standards now deem that the central portion of that bar is the proper place for a search function so even if you can find it it won't do what
you want anyway.

It's a waste of time trying to move a window by grabbing the title bar, these days. The title bar is so full of Search and assorted buttons that there's no free space left to grab it by. Which lunatic thought this was a good idea?

Even Apple is falling prey to this garbage now.

--
There's no obfuscated Perl contest because it's pointless.

- Jeff Polk

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On 16/01/2025 16:51, Scott wrote:

Has anyone tried the 'New' Outlook: https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/getting-started-with-the-new-outlook-for-windows-656bb8d9-5a60-49b2-a98b-ba7822bc7627
At the moment I am using installed Outlook, not outlook.com. Does New
Outlook offer any benefits

Well the main benefit for me was that it does not say "Item Has Been
Changed" when I tried to archive an item in an IMAP folder. However the
other negative features, so lack of control over message format, the
inability to quote in-line plus a few others made me ditch it for
Thunderbird.

and will I ultimately be required to

install it?

I believe you still have time...

I wll be very cautious in my use of language as many years ago I
described Vista as 'crap' and all hell broke loose when I was accused
of insulting behaviour, insulting Microsoft, insulting Bill Gates and possibly insulting the entire US nation.

I would say its more a Windows/8 situation, so worse. I wouldn't say
"crap" , just horrid...

Dave

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On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 16:51:17 +0000
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

Has anyone tried the 'New' Outlook: https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/getting-started-with-the-new-outlook-for-windows-656bb8d9-5a60-49b2-a98b-ba7822bc7627
At the moment I am using installed Outlook, not outlook.com. Does New
Outlook offer any benefits and will I ultimately be required to
install it?

I wll be very cautious in my use of language as many years ago I
described Vista as 'crap' and all hell broke loose when I was accused
of insulting behaviour, insulting Microsoft, insulting Bill Gates and possibly insulting the entire US nation.

Nah, the entire US nation knew it was crap. The only reasonable
explanation is that Vista was the Windows 7 beta test, and MS released
it as a finished product due to financial pressures.

No OS which runs with zero free RAM because it has pre-loaded
applications you used at this time last week and might want to use
again this week, can be considered a serious product.

It's not possible to insult Microsoft or Bill Gates.

--
Joe

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On 16/01/2025 16:51, Scott wrote:

Has anyone tried the 'New' Outlook:

I have had to unpick its installation a few times where people have
clicked the "try new outlook" slider at the top of the screen in
"classic" outlook, and then found it does not work with their CRM system
(that has a rather "blunt force" way of sending email[1]), or were home
users and it could no cope with all their accounts or account types.

Last time I looked there was no way to do any advanced setup, or even
see what setup it had guessed at.

In the real outlook client, you can suppress the invitation by settings registry key like:

reg add "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Options\General"
/v HideNewOutlookToggle /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/getting-started-with-the-new-outlook-for-windows-656bb8d9-5a60-49b2-a98b-ba7822bc7627
At the moment I am using installed Outlook, not outlook.com. Does New
Outlook offer any benefits

Benefits? To you or MS? Basically it is just wrapper round a web app to
make it feel a bit like a native application

and will I ultimately be required to
install it?

It will likely install itself, the trick is stopping the thing :-)

If you are a user of the bundled enfeebled windows "mail" and "Calendar"
apps that come installed with Win 10 or later, then the plan is those
will retired and replaced with "(new) Outlook"

If you have the full outlook application (either rented as part of a 365
sub or rented for a bit longer by "buying" Office 2024 etc at retail),
then you can carry on with the full fat version.

I wll be very cautious in my use of language as many years ago I
described Vista as 'crap' and all hell broke loose when I was accused
of insulting behaviour, insulting Microsoft, insulting Bill Gates and possibly insulting the entire US nation.

Well vista was crap (although was not quite so crap after a couple of
service packs). A for insulting the US, probably better not, they have
enough problems... just look at who they elected :-)

[1] One that I need to deal with does not take the official route of
sending mail via MAPI, and letting windows handle the mail via whatever
mail app the user has selected as their app of choice, but by dumping a
batch of mail into what it expects to be an outlook Outbox, and hoping
for the best!


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Cheers,

John.

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On 16/01/2025 18:04, Tim Streater wrote:

On 16 Jan 2025 at 17:12:15 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

Oh, and while I'm whining, you know the title bar used in all Windows
apps, the one that used to be coloured in accordance with your chosen
theme but nowadays might not be? Very useful to grab and move a window or
to double click to switch between full size and not on a window. Latest
MSFT standards now deem that the central portion of that bar is the proper >> place for a search function so even if you can find it it won't do what
you want anyway.

It's a waste of time trying to move a window by grabbing the title bar, these days. The title bar is so full of Search and assorted buttons that there's no free space left to grab it by. Which lunatic thought this was a good idea?

Even Apple is falling prey to this garbage now.

Linux MATE is glpriously old fashioned

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For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong.

H.L.Mencken

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On 16/01/2025 in message <lut024Ft5scU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
wrote:

On 16 Jan 2025 at 17:12:15 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

Oh, and while I'm whining, you know the title bar used in all Windows
apps, the one that used to be coloured in accordance with your chosen
theme but nowadays might not be? Very useful to grab and move a window or >>to double click to switch between full size and not on a window. Latest >>MSFT standards now deem that the central portion of that bar is the proper >>place for a search function so even if you can find it it won't do what
you want anyway.

It's a waste of time trying to move a window by grabbing the title bar,
these
days. The title bar is so full of Search and assorted buttons that there's
no
free space left to grab it by. Which lunatic thought this was a good idea?

I think that Windows has been perfectly usable since Win 7/8.1 (with Open Shell) so all MSFT has done since then is to pretty it up so it can be
seen to be "improving" it. I think W2K in a 64 bit edition would suit me
fine!


--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do or
say nothing. (Edmund Burke)

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On 16 Jan 2025 at 21:19:51 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

On 16/01/2025 in message <lut024Ft5scU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater wrote:

On 16 Jan 2025 at 17:12:15 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

Oh, and while I'm whining, you know the title bar used in all Windows
apps, the one that used to be coloured in accordance with your chosen
theme but nowadays might not be? Very useful to grab and move a window or >>> to double click to switch between full size and not on a window. Latest
MSFT standards now deem that the central portion of that bar is the proper >>> place for a search function so even if you can find it it won't do what
you want anyway.

It's a waste of time trying to move a window by grabbing the title bar,
these days. The title bar is so full of Search and assorted buttons that
there's no free space left to grab it by. Which lunatic thought this was
a good idea?

I think that Windows has been perfectly usable since Win 7/8.1 (with Open Shell) so all MSFT has done since then is to pretty it up so it can be
seen to be "improving" it. I think W2K in a 64 bit edition would suit me fine!

Win-7 64-bit was good enough (not that I'm a Windows user, except when obliged to be).

Pretty it up? Pretty it up? Added bling is more like it <jumps up and down
with rage>.

Yesterday I had to re-create my Win-10 VM that I use for software testing, as it decided it was bored with just booting up, and felt like crashing instead.
I spent a fair time turning off as much of the bling as I could, still some left to do. Once that's done there will be some residual noise but I can live with that.

--
The referendum gave ordinary people a voice, and what they have told us is that their country, its laws and its sovereignty are more important to them than the edicts of anonymous bureaucrats striving to rule from nowhere.

Roger Scruton, 12th July 2016.

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On 16/01/2025 16:51, Scott wrote:

Has anyone tried the 'New' Outlook: https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/getting-started-with-the-new-outlook-for-windows-656bb8d9-5a60-49b2-a98b-ba7822bc7627
At the moment I am using installed Outlook, not outlook.com. Does New
Outlook offer any benefits and will I ultimately be required to
install it?

I wll be very cautious in my use of language as many years ago I
described Vista as 'crap' and all hell broke loose when I was accused
of insulting behaviour, insulting Microsoft, insulting Bill Gates and possibly insulting the entire US nation.

You did nothing wrong.
Vista was crap because Microsoft downgraded the memory requirements from
2GB to 1GB when the hardware vendors whinged about their profits.
Having fixed/upgraded/reinstalled a number of Vista PCs over the years I
found it was quite a nice OS once given that extra GB of RAM.

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Regards
wasbit

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On 16/01/2025 19:19, Joe wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 16:51:17 +0000
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

Has anyone tried the 'New' Outlook:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/getting-started-with-the-new-outlook-for-windows-656bb8d9-5a60-49b2-a98b-ba7822bc7627
At the moment I am using installed Outlook, not outlook.com. Does New
Outlook offer any benefits and will I ultimately be required to
install it?

I wll be very cautious in my use of language as many years ago I
described Vista as 'crap' and all hell broke loose when I was accused
of insulting behaviour, insulting Microsoft, insulting Bill Gates and
possibly insulting the entire US nation.

Nah, the entire US nation knew it was crap. The only reasonable
explanation is that Vista was the Windows 7 beta test, and MS released
it as a finished product due to financial pressures.

No OS which runs with zero free RAM because it has pre-loaded
applications you used at this time last week and might want to use
again this week, can be considered a serious product.

It's not possible to insult Microsoft or Bill Gates.

As in my reply to the OP

Vista was crap because Microsoft downgraded the memory requirements from
2GB to 1GB when the hardware vendors whinged about their profits.
Having fixed/upgraded/reinstalled a number of Vista PCs over the years I
found it was quite a nice OS once given that extra GB of RAM.


--
Regards
wasbit

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