• Solid wood worktops - comparison of woods

    From Chris Green@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 19 17:26:24 2025
    Having gone all round the houses and back looking at different
    materials for a new worktop in the galley in our little boat we've
    come the the conclusion that wood will provide what we want at an
    affordable price.

    We have wood worktops at home (rubberwood - hevea) and they have
    worked well for 20 years or so and still look good.

    I have searched around for somewhere that provides some sort of
    comparison between different types of wood but I can't find anything
    beyond platitudes and the extremely obvious.

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive
    * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

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    Chris Green
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  • From ajh@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sun Jan 19 22:05:18 2025
    On 19/01/2025 17:26, Chris Green wrote:
    Having gone all round the houses and back looking at different
    materials for a new worktop in the galley in our little boat we've
    come the the conclusion that wood will provide what we want at an
    affordable price.

    We have wood worktops at home (rubberwood - hevea) and they have
    worked well for 20 years or so and still look good.

    I have searched around for somewhere that provides some sort of
    comparison between different types of wood but I can't find anything
    beyond platitudes and the extremely obvious.

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive
    * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    You have missed sycamore, sweet chestnut and elm plus all the softwoods.

    Trouble is I haven't done any quality joinery so cannot advise, I used
    to sell the stuff in the round.

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  • From Thomas Prufer@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 20 09:39:04 2025
    On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 17:26:24 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive
    * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    Oak will turn black where the tannin can react with iron, i.e. with a non-stainless knife, a cast iron pan, ...

    Beech is a little prone to mold stains if damp. It's usually sealed, so often ok.

    I'd think birch would be too soft.

    Cutting boards are often maple -- but they are left untreated. I have some bamboo cutting boards, and the are made of many small pieces, and they are durable and hard -- probably untreated, but I'm so not sure.

    Thomas Prufer

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Thomas Prufer on Mon Jan 20 08:53:03 2025
    Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 17:26:24 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive
    * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    Oak will turn black where the tannin can react with iron, i.e. with a non-stainless knife, a cast iron pan, ...

    So will lots of woods, Rubberwood does too.


    Beech is a little prone to mold stains if damp. It's usually sealed, so often ok.

    I'd think birch would be too soft.

    Cutting boards are often maple -- but they are left untreated. I have some bamboo cutting boards, and the are made of many small pieces, and they are durable and hard -- probably untreated, but I'm so not sure.

    Thanks, all grist to the mill, every little helps. :-)

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to ajh on Mon Jan 20 08:51:11 2025
    ajh <news@loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote:
    On 19/01/2025 17:26, Chris Green wrote:
    Having gone all round the houses and back looking at different
    materials for a new worktop in the galley in our little boat we've
    come the the conclusion that wood will provide what we want at an affordable price.

    We have wood worktops at home (rubberwood - hevea) and they have
    worked well for 20 years or so and still look good.

    I have searched around for somewhere that provides some sort of
    comparison between different types of wood but I can't find anything
    beyond platitudes and the extremely obvious.

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive
    * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    You have missed sycamore, sweet chestnut and elm plus all the softwoods.

    Trouble is I haven't done any quality joinery so cannot advise, I used
    to sell the stuff in the round.

    Yes, actually Sycamore is available from some French suppliers, also
    one has Chestnut but I've not seen Elm anywhere.

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  • From No mail@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 20 10:01:33 2025
    Chris Green wrote:
    Having gone all round the houses and back looking at different
    materials for a new worktop in the galley in our little boat we've
    come the the conclusion that wood will provide what we want at an
    affordable price.

    We have wood worktops at home (rubberwood - hevea) and they have
    worked well for 20 years or so and still look good.

    I have searched around for somewhere that provides some sort of
    comparison between different types of wood but I can't find anything
    beyond platitudes and the extremely obvious.

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive
    * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    This house had 20 year-old Oak work surfaces when we moved here - they
    needed sanding and oiling (because they'd been varnished!!) but would
    have been OK for another 20+ years if I hadn't had to completely change
    and enlarge the kitchen. After much debate and investigation we went for
    Oak in the new kitchen. The initial oiling is a slight chore but, once
    done, the areas that are used intensively, or get wet, only get a quick
    wipe and re-oil every 3 months or so. Most of the surfaces don't need
    regular re-oiling.
    Friends went for Ash or Beech and it looked like Ikea (fine if that's
    the look you want) but if weight is an issue in a boat then Ash may be
    worth considering. Also, you could consider a thin'ish top with lipping
    to make it look more substantial.

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  • From No mail@21:1/5 to No mail on Mon Jan 20 10:03:22 2025
    No mail wrote:
    Chris Green wrote:
    Having gone all round the houses and back looking at different
    materials for a new worktop in the galley in our little boat we've
    come the the conclusion that wood will provide what we want at an
    affordable price.

    We have wood worktops at home (rubberwood - hevea) and they have
    worked well for 20 years or so and still look good.

    I have searched around for somewhere that provides some sort of
    comparison between different types of wood but I can't find anything
    beyond platitudes and the extremely obvious.

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops?  We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

       * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not
    particularly light in colour
       * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more
    expensive
       * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
       * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
       * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
       * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light >>    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    This house had 20 year-old Oak work surfaces when we moved here - they
    needed sanding and oiling (because they'd been varnished!!) but would
    have been OK for another 20+ years if I hadn't had to completely change
    and enlarge the kitchen. After much debate and investigation we went for
    Oak in the new kitchen. The initial oiling is a slight chore but, once
    done, the areas that are used intensively, or get wet, only get a quick
    wipe and re-oil every 3 months or so. Most of the surfaces don't need
    regular re-oiling.
    Friends went for Ash or Beech and it looked like Ikea (fine if that's
    the look you want) but if weight is an issue in a boat then Ash may be
    worth considering. Also, you could consider a thin'ish top with lipping
    to make it look more substantial.
    Forgot to add: don't forget that both sides need the initial oiling

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 20 10:09:06 2025
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 17:26:24 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive
    * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    Oak will turn black where the tannin can react with iron, i.e. with a non-stainless knife, a cast iron pan, ...

    So will lots of woods, Rubberwood does too.

    Also bamboo. Is there a chemical that will neutralise it?

    Theo

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Theo on Mon Jan 20 10:36:51 2025
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 17:26:24 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not >stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive
    * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    Oak will turn black where the tannin can react with iron, i.e. with a non-stainless knife, a cast iron pan, ...

    So will lots of woods, Rubberwood does too.

    Also bamboo. Is there a chemical that will neutralise it?

    I think Oxalic acid will remove the marks, rhubarb leaves or you can
    buy it I think.

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    Chris Green
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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to No mail on Mon Jan 20 10:39:31 2025
    No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:
    Chris Green wrote:
    Having gone all round the houses and back looking at different
    materials for a new worktop in the galley in our little boat we've
    come the the conclusion that wood will provide what we want at an affordable price.

    We have wood worktops at home (rubberwood - hevea) and they have
    worked well for 20 years or so and still look good.

    I have searched around for somewhere that provides some sort of
    comparison between different types of wood but I can't find anything
    beyond platitudes and the extremely obvious.

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive
    * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    This house had 20 year-old Oak work surfaces when we moved here - they
    needed sanding and oiling (because they'd been varnished!!) but would
    have been OK for another 20+ years if I hadn't had to completely change
    and enlarge the kitchen. After much debate and investigation we went for
    Oak in the new kitchen. The initial oiling is a slight chore but, once
    done, the areas that are used intensively, or get wet, only get a quick
    wipe and re-oil every 3 months or so. Most of the surfaces don't need
    regular re-oiling.
    Friends went for Ash or Beech and it looked like Ikea (fine if that's
    the look you want) but if weight is an issue in a boat then Ash may be
    worth considering. Also, you could consider a thin'ish top with lipping
    to make it look more substantial.

    Thank you, all useful. Weight isn't really an issue, it's a steel boat
    and weighs several tons. The existing worktop is a bog standard
    laminate on chipboard one and they're pretty heavy.

    --
    Chris Green
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  • From Peter Johnson@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 20 14:07:45 2025
    On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 17:26:24 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    Having gone all round the houses and back looking at different
    materials for a new worktop in the galley in our little boat we've
    come the the conclusion that wood will provide what we want at an
    affordable price.

    We have wood worktops at home (rubberwood - hevea) and they have
    worked well for 20 years or so and still look good.

    I have searched around for somewhere that provides some sort of
    comparison between different types of wood but I can't find anything
    beyond platitudes and the extremely obvious.

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive
    * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    Scaffold boards seen to be quilt bullet proof and get used for various
    purposes in house makeover programmes.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Peter Johnson on Mon Jan 20 14:37:29 2025
    On 20/01/2025 14:07, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 17:26:24 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    Having gone all round the houses and back looking at different
    materials for a new worktop in the galley in our little boat we've
    come the the conclusion that wood will provide what we want at an
    affordable price.

    We have wood worktops at home (rubberwood - hevea) and they have
    worked well for 20 years or so and still look good.

    I have searched around for somewhere that provides some sort of
    comparison between different types of wood but I can't find anything
    beyond platitudes and the extremely obvious.

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive >> * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    Scaffold boards seen to be quilt bullet proof and get used for various purposes in house makeover programmes.

    They are however shit wood.
    But that is par for the course for 'house makeover programmes'.
    Amateurish doesn't begin to cover it.

    I'll just put in a plug for maple as a wood. Its used for guitar necks
    and dance floors because it is tough, springy and relatively knot free.

    But using any wood in a kitchen is fraught with danger. No wood can
    survive being permanently wet.

    --
    Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
    people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
    they are poor.

    Peter Thompson

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  • From Fredxx@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Mon Jan 20 18:39:52 2025
    On 20/01/2025 14:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 20/01/2025 14:07, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 17:26:24 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    Having gone all round the houses and back looking at different
    materials for a new worktop in the galley in our little boat we've
    come the the conclusion that wood will provide what we want at an
    affordable price.

    We have wood worktops at home (rubberwood - hevea) and they have
    worked well for 20 years or so and still look good.

    I have searched around for somewhere that provides some sort of
    comparison between different types of wood but I can't find anything
    beyond platitudes and the extremely obvious.

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops?  We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

      * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not
    particularly light in colour
      * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more
    expensive
      * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
      * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
      * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
      * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light >>>   * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    Scaffold boards seen to be quilt bullet proof and get used for various
    purposes in house makeover programmes.

    They are however shit wood.
    But that is par for the course for 'house makeover programmes'.
    Amateurish doesn't begin to cover it.

    I'll just put in a plug for maple as a wood. Its used for guitar necks
    and dance floors  because it is tough, springy and relatively knot free.

    But using any wood in a kitchen is fraught with danger. No wood can
    survive being permanently wet.

    Elm is the exception to that rule. Although nothing lasts forever.

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 20 19:19:24 2025
    On 19/01/2025 17:26, Chris Green wrote:

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive
    * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.


    Same. My knowledge on different trees types is non existent.
    Something they never taught at school.

    One of the main reasons specialist wood merchants don't get my custom is
    that I'm less clued up than the salesman looking after his bottom line.

    Is there a reference "book of wood" somewhere,

    * Broken down by attributes including cost, colour, durability etc..
    * Hopefully UK centric?

    How do the trades learn this stuff?

    --
    Adrian C

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  • From Fredxx@21:1/5 to Timatmarford on Mon Jan 20 20:55:40 2025
    On 20/01/2025 20:28, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 20/01/2025 18:39, Fredxx wrote:
    On 20/01/2025 14:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 20/01/2025 14:07, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 17:26:24 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    Having gone all round the houses and back looking at different
    materials for a new worktop in the galley in our little boat we've
    come the the conclusion that wood will provide what we want at an
    affordable price.

    We have wood worktops at home (rubberwood - hevea) and they have
    worked well for 20 years or so and still look good.

    I have searched around for somewhere that provides some sort of
    comparison between different types of wood but I can't find anything >>>>> beyond platitudes and the extremely obvious.

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops?  We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

      * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not
    particularly light in colour
      * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more
    expensive
      * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
      * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
      * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
      * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite
    light
      * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    Scaffold boards seen to be quilt bullet proof and get used for various >>>> purposes in house makeover programmes.

    They are however shit wood.
    But that is par for the course for 'house makeover programmes'.
    Amateurish doesn't begin to cover it.

    I'll just put in a plug for maple as a wood. Its used for guitar
    necks and dance floors  because it is tough, springy and relatively
    knot free.

    But using any wood in a kitchen is fraught with danger. No wood can
    survive being permanently wet.

    Elm is the exception to that rule. Although nothing lasts forever.

    Elm is the right stuff. Bit hard to find currently. I wonder what they
    use for coffins now?

    There are alternatives.
    https://www.posteakfurniture.com/blog/water-resistant-wood/

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  • From Timatmarford@21:1/5 to Fredxx on Mon Jan 20 20:28:33 2025
    On 20/01/2025 18:39, Fredxx wrote:
    On 20/01/2025 14:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 20/01/2025 14:07, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 17:26:24 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    Having gone all round the houses and back looking at different
    materials for a new worktop in the galley in our little boat we've
    come the the conclusion that wood will provide what we want at an
    affordable price.

    We have wood worktops at home (rubberwood - hevea) and they have
    worked well for 20 years or so and still look good.

    I have searched around for somewhere that provides some sort of
    comparison between different types of wood but I can't find anything
    beyond platitudes and the extremely obvious.

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops?  We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

      * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not
    particularly light in colour
      * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more
    expensive
      * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
      * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
      * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
      * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light >>>>   * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    Scaffold boards seen to be quilt bullet proof and get used for various
    purposes in house makeover programmes.

    They are however shit wood.
    But that is par for the course for 'house makeover programmes'.
    Amateurish doesn't begin to cover it.

    I'll just put in a plug for maple as a wood. Its used for guitar necks
    and dance floors  because it is tough, springy and relatively knot free.

    But using any wood in a kitchen is fraught with danger. No wood can
    survive being permanently wet.

    Elm is the exception to that rule. Although nothing lasts forever.

    Elm is the right stuff. Bit hard to find currently. I wonder what they
    use for coffins now?

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Mon Jan 20 21:28:31 2025
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 20/01/2025 14:07, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 17:26:24 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    Having gone all round the houses and back looking at different
    materials for a new worktop in the galley in our little boat we've
    come the the conclusion that wood will provide what we want at an
    affordable price.

    We have wood worktops at home (rubberwood - hevea) and they have
    worked well for 20 years or so and still look good.

    I have searched around for somewhere that provides some sort of
    comparison between different types of wood but I can't find anything
    beyond platitudes and the extremely obvious.

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops? We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

    * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not particularly light in colour
    * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more expensive
    * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
    * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
    * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
    * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light
    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.

    Scaffold boards seen to be quilt bullet proof and get used for various purposes in house makeover programmes.

    They are however shit wood.
    But that is par for the course for 'house makeover programmes'.
    Amateurish doesn't begin to cover it.

    I'll just put in a plug for maple as a wood. Its used for guitar necks
    and dance floors because it is tough, springy and relatively knot free.

    But using any wood in a kitchen is fraught with danger. No wood can
    survive being permanently wet.

    As I said we have Rubberwood worktops in our kitchen which are
    quite OK after 20 years (or more) of relative neglect, and lots of
    cooking. Kitchens in general are not 'permanently wet', neither is our
    boat's galley.

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    ·

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Timatmarford on Tue Jan 21 09:59:31 2025
    On 20/01/2025 20:28, Timatmarford wrote:
    Elm is the right stuff. Bit hard to find currently. I wonder what they
    use for coffins now?
    Veneered chipboard or MDF

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    intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is
    futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into,
    we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a
    power-directed system of thought.”
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Adrian Caspersz on Tue Jan 21 09:57:52 2025
    On 20/01/2025 19:19, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 19/01/2025 17:26, Chris Green wrote:

    Does anyone here have any experience or opinions on different woods
    for worktops?  We want something fairly light in colour and not
    stupidly expensive, probably the choice will be one of:-

       * Oak - relatively cheap, lots of choice, can crack, not
    particularly light in colour
       * Ash - light colour, don't know much else about it, a bit more
    expensive
       * Maple - light colour, hard wearing, expensive
       * Birch - not easy to find but economical and quite light colour
       * Beech - quite cheap too, maybe a little dark
       * Rubberwood - not easy to find, but we know it works OK, quite light >>    * Bamboo - I really know almost nothing about it

    Any/all comments and advice would be welcome.


    Same. My knowledge on different trees types is non existent.
    Something they never taught at school.

    One of the main reasons specialist wood merchants don't get my custom is
    that I'm less clued up than the salesman looking after his bottom line.

    Is there a reference "book of wood" somewhere,

    Yes.

    Understanding Wood, by Bruce Hoadley.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Understanding-Wood-Craftsmans-Guide-Technology/dp/1561583588

    You wont regret a single penny


    * Broken down by attributes including cost, colour, durability etc..
    * Hopefully UK centric?

    That book is a lot more. It tells you why wood is the way it is, and how
    to best use it.

    How do the trades learn this stuff?


    By experience and hand-me-down.

    --
    “It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on
    intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is
    futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into,
    we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a
    power-directed system of thought.”
    Sir Roger Scruton

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