Apologies for posting on here but hoping someone can point me in the
right direction as I can no longer find a Yahoo support forum

I have a xxx@yahoo.co.uk email which I generally access via IMAP.

Yesterday I received an email subject:

Microsoft account security notification

<quote>
Your account is set to close on 30/03/2025
Dear xxx@yahoo.co.uk,
Your account x*x@yahoo.co.uk is scheduled to be closed on 30/03/2025
due to account inactivity. Once your account is closed it will be
deleted in accordance with the Microsoft Services Agreement.
If you want to keep your account, just sign in between now and
30/03/2025. All your files, data and info will be just as you left
them until then.
To learn more, click here.
Thanks,
The Microsoft account team
</quote>

My first instinct of course was this was phishing/spam but headers
are:

Received: from accountprotection.microsoft.com (13.82.121.144) by
SN1PEPF00036F3F.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.167.248.23) with
Microsoft
SMTP Server (version=TLS1_3, cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id
15.20.8398.14
via Frontend Transport; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 08:11:35 +0000
From: Microsoft account team
<account-security-noreply@accountprotection.microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:11:34 -0800
Subject: Microsoft account security notification

The link is to: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=<some
numbers>

I cannot see anything other than this is from Microsoft but I can't
find anything that gives Microsoft any control over my Yahoo.co.uk
email

Bemused and not wishing to click the link until I am more confident
about what is going on.


--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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AnthonyL wrote:

I can't find anything that gives Microsoft any control over my
Yahoo.co.uk email

Did you use your yahoo address to register for a microsoft (hotmail.com/live.com/outlook.com/office.com) account?

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AnthonyL wrote:

Microsoft do not own Yahoo now do they?

No they don't, they;re not saying your yahoo account is closing, they;re
saying your unused microsoft account which is registered using your
yahoo address is losing ...

try to login at the hotmail.com website using your yahoo email address
as the username, if you don't remember a password, try the forgot
password link and see what reminder arrives ...

You're not the only one

<https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/all/why-would-microsoft-send-me-an-email-about-my/09ff18f7-43c7-4eaa-8fdf-4b1ab7e2bf11>

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:14:07 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:

I can't find anything that gives Microsoft any control over my
Yahoo.co.uk email

Did you use your yahoo address to register for a microsoft >(hotmail.com/live.com/outlook.com/office.com) account?

Keeping track of what is interlinked with what is not easy. I may
have had that address linked but I do have a separate and long
standing hotmail account and have a non-yahoo email linked to that for security. I've verified that this is correct today.

Even so, that shouldn't give Microsoft the ability to delete my very
long standing and heavily used yahoo.co.uk email which my reading of
their message is what is going to happen.

Microsoft do not own Yahoo now do they?


--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 13:39:49 GMT
nospam@please.invalid (AnthonyL) wrote:

Apologies for posting on here but hoping someone can point me in the
right direction as I can no longer find a Yahoo support forum

I have a xxx@yahoo.co.uk email which I generally access via IMAP.

Yesterday I received an email subject:

Microsoft account security notification

<quote>
Your account is set to close on 30/03/2025
Dear xxx@yahoo.co.uk,
Your account x*x@yahoo.co.uk is scheduled to be closed on 30/03/2025
due to account inactivity. Once your account is closed it will be
deleted in accordance with the Microsoft Services Agreement.
If you want to keep your account, just sign in between now and
30/03/2025. All your files, data and info will be just as you left
them until then.
To learn more, click here.
Thanks,
The Microsoft account team
</quote>

My first instinct of course was this was phishing/spam but headers
are:

Received: from accountprotection.microsoft.com (13.82.121.144) by
SN1PEPF00036F3F.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.167.248.23) with
Microsoft
SMTP Server (version=TLS1_3, cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id
15.20.8398.14
via Frontend Transport; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 08:11:35 +0000
From: Microsoft account team
<account-security-noreply@accountprotection.microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:11:34 -0800
Subject: Microsoft account security notification

The link is to: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=<some
numbers>

I cannot see anything other than this is from Microsoft but I can't
find anything that gives Microsoft any control over my Yahoo.co.uk
email

Bemused and not wishing to click the link until I am more confident
about what is going on.

Don't click the link anyway. I'd recommend logging into the Yahoo
account the way you normally do with IMAP and send an email or two. If
all this is genuine, that should satisfy the requirements.

If you have a bit of time to spare and a clear head, you might read
this:

https://anyleads.com/is-yahoo-mail-owned-by-microsoft

There doesn't seem to be a clear answer.

--
Joe

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:45:45 +0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 13:39:49 GMT
nospam@please.invalid (AnthonyL) wrote:

Apologies for posting on here but hoping someone can point me in the
right direction as I can no longer find a Yahoo support forum

I have a xxx@yahoo.co.uk email which I generally access via IMAP.

Yesterday I received an email subject:

Microsoft account security notification

<quote>
Your account is set to close on 30/03/2025
Dear xxx@yahoo.co.uk,
Your account x*x@yahoo.co.uk is scheduled to be closed on 30/03/2025
due to account inactivity. Once your account is closed it will be
deleted in accordance with the Microsoft Services Agreement.
If you want to keep your account, just sign in between now and
30/03/2025. All your files, data and info will be just as you left
them until then.
To learn more, click here.
Thanks,
The Microsoft account team
</quote>

My first instinct of course was this was phishing/spam but headers
are:

Received: from accountprotection.microsoft.com (13.82.121.144) by
SN1PEPF00036F3F.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.167.248.23) with
Microsoft
SMTP Server (version=TLS1_3, cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id
15.20.8398.14
via Frontend Transport; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 08:11:35 +0000
From: Microsoft account team
<account-security-noreply@accountprotection.microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:11:34 -0800
Subject: Microsoft account security notification

The link is to: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=<some
numbers>

I cannot see anything other than this is from Microsoft but I can't
find anything that gives Microsoft any control over my Yahoo.co.uk
email

Bemused and not wishing to click the link until I am more confident
about what is going on.

Don't click the link anyway. I'd recommend logging into the Yahoo
account the way you normally do with IMAP and send an email or two. If
all this is genuine, that should satisfy the requirements.

If you have a bit of time to spare and a clear head, you might read
this:

https://anyleads.com/is-yahoo-mail-owned-by-microsoft

That's all a bit TL:DR for me but I think I agree with your
conclusion.

There doesn't seem to be a clear answer.

There's an item in Microsoft answers - <https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/all/why-would-microsoft-send-me-an-email-about-my/09ff18f7-43c7-4eaa-8fdf-4b1ab7e2bf11>

The relevant quote is:
Your yahoo account may have been registered as a Microsoft account.

Eh? Wot?

Further, I have a yahoo.ca account and every time I sign in it
helpfully autocompletes the bit after the curly snail with choices
which include Microsoft branded email. I once absentmindedly typed
.com instead of .ca and it connected to my account anyway so I guess
one is an alias of the other. Whether that extends to the @live and
@outlook options as well, I don't know.

Every now and again providers of free email seem to have purges of old
dormant accounts so the fact that this message has popped up shouldn't
be seen as unusual but as Joe suggests, better safe than sorry: log in
to your account the normal way.

Nick

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Nick Odell wrote:

Your yahoo account may have been registered as a Microsoft account.

Eh? Wot?

You may have signed-up for a microsoft account (Live.com, hotmail.com
etc) using the email address of your yahoo account.

But sounds like you don't use it in any case, so why not allow MS to
close the MS account, they're not talking about MS closing your Yahoo account.

It depends whether the MS account is linked to anything else. eg you may
have used 'sign in with Microsoft' on some website, using your Yahoo address
as your Microsoft ID. Your MS account gets cancelled and that website login doesn't work, even if you think you're logging in with your Yahoo address. There may not be a way to recover that if it requires teaching the website
to create an account using your Yahoo email and a new password.

Theo

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:45:45 +0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

Don't click the link anyway. I'd recommend logging into the Yahoo
account the way you normally do with IMAP and send an email or two. If
all this is genuine, that should satisfy the requirements.

It's nothing to do with his Yahoo account. It's about an unused
Microsoft account that was created using his Yahoo email address.

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Nick Odell wrote:

Your yahoo account may have been registered as a Microsoft account.

Eh? Wot?

You may have signed-up for a microsoft account (Live.com, hotmail.com
etc) using the email address of your yahoo account.

But sounds like you don't use it in any case, so why not allow MS to
close the MS account, they're not talking about MS closing your Yahoo
account.

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:19:45 +0000, Peter Johnson
<peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:45:45 +0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

Don't click the link anyway. I'd recommend logging into the Yahoo
account the way you normally do with IMAP and send an email or two. If
all this is genuine, that should satisfy the requirements.

It's nothing to do with his Yahoo account. It's about an unused
Microsoft account that was created using his Yahoo email address.

Then it is pretty badly worded; just recapping the email:

"Dear xxx@yahoo.co.uk,
Your account x*x@yahoo.co.uk is scheduled to be closed on 30/03/2025
due to account inactivity"

That is fairly unambiguous to me.

I can't find any reference to my yahoo account on my Microsoft
account, unless I have one that I haven't used when activating a
Windows 10 or 11 install.

Neither can I find any reference to a microsoft/outlook/hotmail
account on my yahoo account.

As previously stated my yahoo account is very active and mostly by
IMAP and I would be in a bit of a mess if that disappeared as it is
used for arrangements for a couple of my hobbies.


--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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On 29 Jan 2025 at 19:07:32 GMT, "AnthonyL" <AnthonyL> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:19:45 +0000, Peter Johnson
<peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:45:45 +0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

Don't click the link anyway. I'd recommend logging into the Yahoo
account the way you normally do with IMAP and send an email or two. If
all this is genuine, that should satisfy the requirements.

It's nothing to do with his Yahoo account. It's about an unused
Microsoft account that was created using his Yahoo email address.

Then it is pretty badly worded; just recapping the email:

"Dear xxx@yahoo.co.uk,
Your account x*x@yahoo.co.uk is scheduled to be closed on 30/03/2025
due to account inactivity"

That is fairly unambiguous to me.

I can't find any reference to my yahoo account on my Microsoft
account, unless I have one that I haven't used when activating a
Windows 10 or 11 install.

Maybe you have, in fact, two MS accounts without realising it. One you are aware of and this other one created somehow through your yahoo email. Unsurprisingly, this latter one has in effect never been used, so this ambiguous MS cleanup announceent appears.

--
For me leaving the EU has always been a fundamental if abstract question of democratic accountability: disliking a transnational government it's impossible to kick out.

Iain Martin - The Times 24/11/2022

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On Wed, 1/29/2025 2:25 PM, Tim Streater wrote:

On 29 Jan 2025 at 19:07:32 GMT, "AnthonyL" <AnthonyL> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:19:45 +0000, Peter Johnson
<peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:45:45 +0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

Don't click the link anyway. I'd recommend logging into the Yahoo
account the way you normally do with IMAP and send an email or two. If >>>> all this is genuine, that should satisfy the requirements.

It's nothing to do with his Yahoo account. It's about an unused
Microsoft account that was created using his Yahoo email address.

Then it is pretty badly worded; just recapping the email:

"Dear xxx@yahoo.co.uk,
Your account x*x@yahoo.co.uk is scheduled to be closed on 30/03/2025
due to account inactivity"

That is fairly unambiguous to me.

I can't find any reference to my yahoo account on my Microsoft
account, unless I have one that I haven't used when activating a
Windows 10 or 11 install.

Maybe you have, in fact, two MS accounts without realising it. One you are aware of and this other one created somehow through your yahoo email. Unsurprisingly, this latter one has in effect never been used, so this ambiguous MS cleanup announceent appears.

Anthony needed to use a Windows MSA to remove Windows S from a new computer
(so it wasn't forced to use only App Store items forever). A laptop
or a tablet could arrive, as new, with that on it.

People don't really want to use an MSA, but that's one of the steps for removal of Windows-S.

This is probably one of those letters, where the recipients OneDrive storage
is about to be removed (due to lack of usage).

Paul

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On 29/01/2025 14:33, AnthonyL wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:14:07 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:

I can't find anything that gives Microsoft any control over my
Yahoo.co.uk email

Did you use your yahoo address to register for a microsoft
(hotmail.com/live.com/outlook.com/office.com) account?

Keeping track of what is interlinked with what is not easy. I may
have had that address linked but I do have a separate and long
standing hotmail account and have a non-yahoo email linked to that for security. I've verified that this is correct today.

Even so, that shouldn't give Microsoft the ability to delete my very
long standing and heavily used yahoo.co.uk email which my reading of
their message is what is going to happen.

Microsoft do not own Yahoo now do they?

I have a Yahoo account which amazingly I registered with
my actual Initial+Surname@yahoo.co.uk. Clearly there are
very few people who I share a name with (I knew that) or
maybe hardly anyone uses Yahoo for email.

I never use it, but historically it used to be the email
handler for BT broadband, an agreement that ceased some
time ago. I had all my investment holdings set up and
they are still there, apart from ATST which is now ALW
but they haven't bothered to automatically change it
(and I can't). It shows useful data like the daily
movement as a graph etc.

I just logged in and everything is still there and I
haven't had any emails about non-usage

Andrew

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Andrew wrote:

I just logged in and everything is still there and I
haven't had any emails about non-usage

It isn't non-usage of a Yahoo! account that's at question here, rather
it's non-usage of a microsoft account which just happens to be
registered with a yahoo email address ...

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On 30/01/2025 17:43, Andy Burns wrote:

Andrew wrote:

I just logged in and everything is still there and I
haven't had any emails about non-usage

It isn't non-usage of a Yahoo! account that's at question here, rather
it's non-usage of a microsoft account which just happens to be
registered with a yahoo email address ...

Probably or possibly a skype or MSN messenger account?

Dave

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On 29/01/2025 13:39, AnthonyL wrote:

Apologies for posting on here but hoping someone can point me in the
right direction as I can no longer find a Yahoo support forum

I have a xxx@yahoo.co.uk email which I generally access via IMAP.

Yesterday I received an email subject:

Microsoft account security notification

<quote>
Your account is set to close on 30/03/2025
Dear xxx@yahoo.co.uk,
Your account x*x@yahoo.co.uk is scheduled to be closed on 30/03/2025
due to account inactivity. Once your account is closed it will be
deleted in accordance with the Microsoft Services Agreement.
If you want to keep your account, just sign in between now and
30/03/2025. All your files, data and info will be just as you left
them until then.
To learn more, click here.
Thanks,
The Microsoft account team
</quote>

My first instinct of course was this was phishing/spam but headers
are:

Received: from accountprotection.microsoft.com (13.82.121.144) by
SN1PEPF00036F3F.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.167.248.23) with
Microsoft
SMTP Server (version=TLS1_3, cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.8398.14
via Frontend Transport; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 08:11:35 +0000
From: Microsoft account team
<account-security-noreply@accountprotection.microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:11:34 -0800
Subject: Microsoft account security notification

The link is to: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=<some
numbers>

I cannot see anything other than this is from Microsoft but I can't
find anything that gives Microsoft any control over my Yahoo.co.uk
email

Bemused and not wishing to click the link until I am more confident
about what is going on.

No need to go clicking links...

The two obvious possibilities is you have a Microsoft account which you
have created using your yahoo email address. (MS will default to
offering an outlook.com address, but you can opt to use any email
address you already have, much the same as you can have a google account attached to any email address, not just gmail).

OR,

Your yahoo account is not recognising active logins just when accessed
via IMAP/SMTP.


So, go to account.microsoft.com and login with your yahoo email address.
If you don't have the password, click the "forgot password" link and
jump through the hoops. This will either fix the problem, or identify
that you don't have a MS account. Then go to yahoo.co.uk, and login to
your email account there. Send youself a message and log out.

See what update emails those actions generate.

(and not a single email link was harming you in the process! :-)


--
Cheers,

John.

/=================================================================\
| Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \=================================================================/

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On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 22:37:16 +0000, John Rumm
<see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

On 29/01/2025 13:39, AnthonyL wrote:

Apologies for posting on here but hoping someone can point me in the
right direction as I can no longer find a Yahoo support forum

I have a xxx@yahoo.co.uk email which I generally access via IMAP.

Yesterday I received an email subject:

Microsoft account security notification

<quote>
Your account is set to close on 30/03/2025
Dear xxx@yahoo.co.uk,
Your account x*x@yahoo.co.uk is scheduled to be closed on 30/03/2025
due to account inactivity. Once your account is closed it will be
deleted in accordance with the Microsoft Services Agreement.
If you want to keep your account, just sign in between now and
30/03/2025. All your files, data and info will be just as you left
them until then.
To learn more, click here.
Thanks,
The Microsoft account team
</quote>

My first instinct of course was this was phishing/spam but headers
are:

Received: from accountprotection.microsoft.com (13.82.121.144) by
SN1PEPF00036F3F.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.167.248.23) with
Microsoft
SMTP Server (version=TLS1_3, cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id
15.20.8398.14
via Frontend Transport; Wed, 29 Jan 2025 08:11:35 +0000
From: Microsoft account team
<account-security-noreply@accountprotection.microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:11:34 -0800
Subject: Microsoft account security notification

The link is to: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=<some
numbers>

I cannot see anything other than this is from Microsoft but I can't
find anything that gives Microsoft any control over my Yahoo.co.uk
email

Bemused and not wishing to click the link until I am more confident
about what is going on.

No need to go clicking links...

The two obvious possibilities is you have a Microsoft account which you
have created using your yahoo email address. (MS will default to
offering an outlook.com address, but you can opt to use any email
address you already have, much the same as you can have a google account >attached to any email address, not just gmail).

OR,

Your yahoo account is not recognising active logins just when accessed
via IMAP/SMTP.

So, go to account.microsoft.com and login with your yahoo email address.
If you don't have the password, click the "forgot password" link and
jump through the hoops. This will either fix the problem, or identify
that you don't have a MS account. Then go to yahoo.co.uk, and login to
your email account there. Send youself a message and log out.

See what update emails those actions generate.

(and not a single email link was harming you in the process! :-)

Well blow me down with a feather. Usually when I create any new account/password combination I start it off in a password manager but
in this case I obviously didn't.

So going to account.microsoft.com went straight to the Microsoft
account I knew I had using a hotmail address.

Went through the hoops to login using the yahoo address and eventually
got in and it is pretty empty, obviously so I guess.

With regards to the in-use account security shows pages and pages of
attempted logins from all around the world. That's today's internet I
guess.

Anyhow, puzzle now solved. I must have set it up when doing something
in a bit of a rush and presumably something not really needed. I only
use the yahoo account for my hobbies so not sure why I even ever tried
with that.

Perhaps this would have been a little bit clearer:

Dear xxx@yahoo.co.uk,
Your Microsoft account xxx@yahoo.co.uk is scheduled to be
closed on 30/03/2025 due to account inactivity.

Thanks for everyone's help. I just hope I remember all this for the
next time the account comes up for removal.




--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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