• Re: Amazon returns

    From Theo@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sun Feb 2 11:36:06 2025
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    They say they will pick it up if I let the know it needs it or
    something. There is no way I have found to contact them to let them know. I've printed off all the paperwork and packed it a lot better than when
    it arrived.
    But there are no instructions as to what to do next.

    Go to 'Returns and Orders' (top right of most Amazon screens when logged
    in), find the item, click on 'return' (the wording changes slightly based
    on status, probably a white or yellow button on the RHS), and then see what
    it says inside.

    For a completed return from December the button is 'View return/refund
    status' and there's a fold-down for 'Participating Evri Return
    Instructions'.

    Theo

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sun Feb 2 11:23:20 2025
    On 02/02/2025 11:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 02/02/2025 11:06, Pancho wrote:
    On 2/2/25 10:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Lucky you. I am in the process of returning a unit to Amazon. I
    printed off the label and stuck it on the box to wait for the
    replacement unit to arrive and hand it to the courier.
    He simply left the parcel by the door and never rung the bell

    Anyone know how to get the bastards to pick it up?


    Amazon Lockers.

    I think the item is too big.


    They say they will pick it up if I let the know it needs it or
    something. There is no way I have found to contact them to let them know.
    I've printed off all the paperwork and packed it a lot better than when
    it arrived.
    But there are no instructions as to what to do next.


    --
    “when things get difficult you just have to lie”

    ― Jean Claud Jüncker

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Theo on Sun Feb 2 13:05:10 2025
    On 02/02/2025 11:36, Theo wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    They say they will pick it up if I let the know it needs it or
    something. There is no way I have found to contact them to let them know.
    I've printed off all the paperwork and packed it a lot better than when
    it arrived.
    But there are no instructions as to what to do next.

    Go to 'Returns and Orders' (top right of most Amazon screens when logged
    in), find the item, click on 'return' (the wording changes slightly based
    on status, probably a white or yellow button on the RHS), and then see what it says inside.

    For a completed return from December the button is 'View return/refund status' and there's a fold-down for 'Participating Evri Return
    Instructions'.

    No, there isn't.

    It just says that I have requested a return. Plus a button marked
    continue that doesn't work and the expiry date of the RMA

    Theo

    I went to Evi's website with teh tracking number and that says:

    'It's booked

    We've received your return request and we're expecting it from you shortly.'

    I definitely expected them to pick it up. That was the box I ticked.



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  • From Fredxx@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sun Feb 2 16:20:34 2025
    On 02/02/2025 13:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 02/02/2025 11:36, Theo wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    They say they will pick it up if I let the know it needs it or
    something. There is no way I have found to contact them to let them
    know.
    I've printed off all the paperwork and packed it a lot better than when
    it arrived.
    But there are no instructions as to what to do next.

    Go to 'Returns and Orders' (top right of most Amazon screens when logged
    in), find the item, click on 'return' (the wording changes slightly based
    on status, probably a white or yellow button on the RHS), and then see
    what
    it says inside.

    For a completed return from December the button is 'View return/refund
    status' and there's a fold-down for 'Participating Evri Return
    Instructions'.

    No, there isn't.

    It just says that I have requested a return. Plus a  button marked
    continue that doesn't work and the expiry date of the RMA

    Theo

    I went to Evi's website with teh tracking number and that says:

    'It's booked

    We've received your return request and we're expecting it from you
    shortly.'

    I definitely expected them to pick it up. That was the box I ticked.

    Why don't you take it to a parcel shop?

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to Fredxx on Sun Feb 2 18:26:15 2025
    On 2 Feb 2025 at 16:20:34 GMT, "Fredxx" <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 13:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 02/02/2025 11:36, Theo wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    They say they will pick it up if I let the know it needs it or
    something. There is no way I have found to contact them to let them
    know.
    I've printed off all the paperwork and packed it a lot better than when >>>> it arrived.
    But there are no instructions as to what to do next.

    Go to 'Returns and Orders' (top right of most Amazon screens when logged >>> in), find the item, click on 'return' (the wording changes slightly based >>> on status, probably a white or yellow button on the RHS), and then see
    what
    it says inside.

    For a completed return from December the button is 'View return/refund
    status' and there's a fold-down for 'Participating Evri Return
    Instructions'.

    No, there isn't.

    It just says that I have requested a return. Plus a button marked
    continue that doesn't work and the expiry date of the RMA

    I went to Evi's website with teh tracking number and that says:

    'It's booked

    We've received your return request and we're expecting it from you
    shortly.'

    I definitely expected them to pick it up. That was the box I ticked.

    Why don't you take it to a parcel shop?

    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon, they (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC there's a choice of courier. I then drop it off either at the Post Office (Royal Mail) or at some store which hosts pickup for the courier. They scan it and then I bugger off home.

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    - Douglas Adams

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Sun Feb 2 20:30:29 2025
    On 02/02/2025 18:26, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 at 16:20:34 GMT, "Fredxx" <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 13:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 02/02/2025 11:36, Theo wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    They say they will pick it up if I let the know it needs it or
    something. There is no way I have found to contact them to let them
    know.
    I've printed off all the paperwork and packed it a lot better than when >>>>> it arrived.
    But there are no instructions as to what to do next.

    Go to 'Returns and Orders' (top right of most Amazon screens when logged >>>> in), find the item, click on 'return' (the wording changes slightly based >>>> on status, probably a white or yellow button on the RHS), and then see >>>> what
    it says inside.

    For a completed return from December the button is 'View return/refund >>>> status' and there's a fold-down for 'Participating Evri Return
    Instructions'.

    No, there isn't.

    It just says that I have requested a return. Plus a button marked
    continue that doesn't work and the expiry date of the RMA

    I went to Evi's website with teh tracking number and that says:

    'It's booked

    We've received your return request and we're expecting it from you
    shortly.'

    I definitely expected them to pick it up. That was the box I ticked.

    Why don't you take it to a parcel shop?

    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon, they (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC there's a choice of courier. I then drop it off either at the Post Office (Royal Mail) or at some store which hosts pickup for the courier. They scan it and then I bugger off home.


    I think that is what I will have to do.
    But that isn't what Amazon said.


    --
    "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

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  • From Peter Johnson@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Mon Feb 3 13:55:21 2025
    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:



    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon, they >(amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC there's a choice of >courier. I then drop it off either at the Post Office (Royal Mail) or at some >store which hosts pickup for the courier. They scan it and then I bugger off >home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond them.
    When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a label wasn't
    an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they scanned the QR
    code on my phone and printed a label that they stuck on the parcel.
    I haven't investigated how you go on if you don't have a phone, or
    have one that can't display your emails.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Peter Johnson on Mon Feb 3 15:57:34 2025
    On Mon, 03 Feb 2025 13:55:21 +0000
    Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:

    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:



    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon,
    they (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC
    there's a choice of courier. I then drop it off either at the Post
    Office (Royal Mail) or at some store which hosts pickup for the
    courier. They scan it and then I bugger off home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond them.
    When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a label wasn't
    an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they scanned the QR
    code on my phone and printed a label that they stuck on the parcel.
    I haven't investigated how you go on if you don't have a phone, or
    have one that can't display your emails.

    I have always been able to print the label. Useful, as my 'phone is not
    a 'smart' phone, and does not receive e-mail messages.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Peter Johnson on Mon Feb 3 17:06:39 2025
    On 03/02/2025 13:55, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon, they
    (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC there's a choice of >> courier. I then drop it off either at the Post Office (Royal Mail) or at some
    store which hosts pickup for the courier. They scan it and then I bugger off >> home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond them.
    When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a label wasn't
    an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they scanned the QR
    code on my phone and printed a label that they stuck on the parcel.
    I haven't investigated how you go on if you don't have a phone, or
    have one that can't display your emails.

    Owning a printer is so last millennium.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to charles on Mon Feb 3 19:08:44 2025
    On 3 Feb 2025 at 18:15:02 GMT, "charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <vnqt2v$1c72v$1@dont-email.me>, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 03/02/2025 13:55, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon,
    they (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC there's
    a choice of courier. I then drop it off either at the Post Office
    (Royal Mail) or at some store which hosts pickup for the courier. They >>>> scan it and then I bugger off home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond them.
    When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a label wasn't
    an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they scanned the QR code
    on my phone and printed a label that they stuck on the parcel. I
    haven't investigated how you go on if you don't have a phone, or have
    one that can't display your emails.

    Owning a printer is so last millennium.

    That's probably why I have 4.

    We've had 4, but serially rather than all at once. The first few tended to
    blow their PS after a small (3? 4?) number of years so this time we shelled
    out a few more notes for a Canon G6050. Now, after more than four years
    without needing to, I've just refilled the tank with black ink. The colours look like they'll do for another year.

    Since this is a machine with tanks with what might be termed infrequent refill requirements, I don't mind buying Canon inks rather than compatibles.

    Does duplex and has a scanner. What more is needed?

    --
    "The EU Customs Union is a racket that defends producers in rich countries against producers in poor countries."

    Jacob Rees-Mogg MP

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  • From Timatmarford@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Mon Feb 3 19:56:27 2025
    On 03/02/2025 19:08, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 3 Feb 2025 at 18:15:02 GMT, "charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <vnqt2v$1c72v$1@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
    <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 03/02/2025 13:55, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon, >>>>> they (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC there's >>>>> a choice of courier. I then drop it off either at the Post Office
    (Royal Mail) or at some store which hosts pickup for the courier. They >>>>> scan it and then I bugger off home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond them.
    When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a label wasn't >>>> an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they scanned the QR code >>>> on my phone and printed a label that they stuck on the parcel. I
    haven't investigated how you go on if you don't have a phone, or have
    one that can't display your emails.

    Owning a printer is so last millennium.

    That's probably why I have 4.

    We've had 4, but serially rather than all at once. The first few tended to blow their PS after a small (3? 4?) number of years so this time we shelled out a few more notes for a Canon G6050. Now, after more than four years without needing to, I've just refilled the tank with black ink. The colours look like they'll do for another year.

    Since this is a machine with tanks with what might be termed infrequent refill
    requirements, I don't mind buying Canon inks rather than compatibles.

    Does duplex and has a scanner. What more is needed?

    My Epson ET-2650 is coming up to 6 years and 2 boxes of paper.
    Print/copy/scan.


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  • From charles@21:1/5 to tim@streater.me.uk on Mon Feb 3 21:15:03 2025
    In article <m0cihsFj27lU1@mid.individual.net>, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    On 3 Feb 2025 at 18:15:02 GMT, "charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <vnqt2v$1c72v$1@dont-email.me>, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 03/02/2025 13:55, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon, >>>> they (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC
    there's a choice of courier. I then drop it off either at the Post
    Office (Royal Mail) or at some store which hosts pickup for the
    courier. They scan it and then I bugger off home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond them.
    When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a label
    wasn't an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they scanned
    the QR code on my phone and printed a label that they stuck on the
    parcel. I haven't investigated how you go on if you don't have a
    phone, or have one that can't display your emails.

    Owning a printer is so last millennium.

    That's probably why I have 4.

    We've had 4, but serially rather than all at once. The first few tended
    to blow their PS after a small (3? 4?) number of years so this time we shelled out a few more notes for a Canon G6050. Now, after more than four years without needing to, I've just refilled the tank with black ink. The colours look like they'll do for another year.

    Since this is a machine with tanks with what might be termed infrequent refill requirements, I don't mind buying Canon inks rather than
    compatibles.

    Does duplex and has a scanner. What more is needed?

    A3 paper?

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4t
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to charles on Mon Feb 3 21:38:58 2025
    On 3 Feb 2025 at 21:15:03 GMT, "charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <m0cihsFj27lU1@mid.individual.net>, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    On 3 Feb 2025 at 18:15:02 GMT, "charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <vnqt2v$1c72v$1@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
    <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 03/02/2025 13:55, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote: >>>>>> Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon, >>>>>> they (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC
    there's a choice of courier. I then drop it off either at the Post >>>>>> Office (Royal Mail) or at some store which hosts pickup for the
    courier. They scan it and then I bugger off home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond them. >>>>> When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a label
    wasn't an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they scanned
    the QR code on my phone and printed a label that they stuck on the
    parcel. I haven't investigated how you go on if you don't have a
    phone, or have one that can't display your emails.

    Owning a printer is so last millennium.

    That's probably why I have 4.

    We've had 4, but serially rather than all at once. The first few tended
    to blow their PS after a small (3? 4?) number of years so this time we
    shelled out a few more notes for a Canon G6050. Now, after more than four
    years without needing to, I've just refilled the tank with black ink. The
    colours look like they'll do for another year.

    Since this is a machine with tanks with what might be termed infrequent
    refill requirements, I don't mind buying Canon inks rather than
    compatibles.

    Does duplex and has a scanner. What more is needed?

    A3 paper?

    Don't think I'ver needed to print A3 at home, ever. It has a rear feed, too,
    so I can print labels. I wrote my own AddressBook app for that, so I can skip already-used positions on a label sheet, f'rinstance.

    --
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    -- Richard Dawkins

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  • From Bob Eager@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Tue Feb 4 09:50:18 2025
    On Mon, 03 Feb 2025 17:06:39 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

    On 03/02/2025 13:55, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon,
    they (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC there's
    a choice of courier. I then drop it off either at the Post Office
    (Royal Mail) or at some store which hosts pickup for the courier. They
    scan it and then I bugger off home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond them.
    When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a label wasn't
    an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they scanned the QR code
    on my phone and printed a label that they stuck on the parcel.
    I haven't investigated how you go on if you don't have a phone, or have
    one that can't display your emails.

    Owning a printer is so last millennium.

    That's OK. My everyday printer was manufactured in 1993.



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    wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message.
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Bob Eager on Tue Feb 4 10:51:32 2025
    On 04/02/2025 09:50, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Mon, 03 Feb 2025 17:06:39 +0000, Max Demian wrote:



    Owning a printer is so last millennium.

    That's OK. My everyday printer was manufactured in 1993.


    Interesting. Whilst my printer usage has dropped, I still couldn't do
    without it.
    Not everything is suitable for display on a smart phone.

    --
    Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

    "Saki"

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Feb 4 11:42:42 2025
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 10:51:32 +0000
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 04/02/2025 09:50, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Mon, 03 Feb 2025 17:06:39 +0000, Max Demian wrote:



    Owning a printer is so last millennium.

    That's OK. My everyday printer was manufactured in 1993.


    Interesting. Whilst my printer usage has dropped, I still couldn't do
    without it.
    Not everything is suitable for display on a smart phone.


    Particularly when the battery has run down. My wife has seen this
    happen twice on trains, when the inspector arrived in the carriage.

    Whether they were genuine phone problems or not we do not know, but
    I've seen peoples' phones run down in less stressful situations.
    Apparently iPhones normally need charging every day, more often as the
    battery ages.

    --
    Joe

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  • From Tim+@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Tue Feb 4 13:23:19 2025
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 03/02/2025 13:55, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon, they >>> (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC there's a choice of
    courier. I then drop it off either at the Post Office (Royal Mail) or at some
    store which hosts pickup for the courier. They scan it and then I bugger off
    home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond them.
    When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a label wasn't
    an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they scanned the QR
    code on my phone and printed a label that they stuck on the parcel.
    I haven't investigated how you go on if you don't have a phone, or
    have one that can't display your emails.

    Owning a printer is so last millennium.


    Crosswords are a lot easier when you have some “scribble space”. ;-) Our printer’s main use is for printing our crosswords these days. I also still prefer a hard copy of some documents when travelling as phone batteries
    and/or their internet connections are never 100% trustworthy.

    I do acknowledge that’s it’s a bit of an age thing. Neither of my daughters have one.

    Tim

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Joe on Tue Feb 4 13:57:49 2025
    On 04/02/2025 11:42, Joe wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 10:51:32 +0000
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 04/02/2025 09:50, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Mon, 03 Feb 2025 17:06:39 +0000, Max Demian wrote:



    Owning a printer is so last millennium.

    That's OK. My everyday printer was manufactured in 1993.


    Interesting. Whilst my printer usage has dropped, I still couldn't do
    without it.
    Not everything is suitable for display on a smart phone.


    Particularly when the battery has run down. My wife has seen this
    happen twice on trains, when the inspector arrived in the carriage.

    Whether they were genuine phone problems or not we do not know, but
    I've seen peoples' phones run down in less stressful situations.
    Apparently iPhones normally need charging every day, more often as the battery ages.

    I think a dead i-phone is a scrote's best friend...
    Returning to thread I took the bloody parcel in to the post office and
    they grinned and said 'Evri is it?' like they were expecting it...

    I wouldn't have minded except I ticked the box saying 'pickup from
    address'- I am not that good at lugging parcels down the high street as
    I used to be...
    --
    Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 4 14:00:31 2025
    On 04/02/2025 13:23, Tim+ wrote:
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 03/02/2025 13:55, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon, they >>>> (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC there's a choice of
    courier. I then drop it off either at the Post Office (Royal Mail) or at some
    store which hosts pickup for the courier. They scan it and then I bugger off
    home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond them.
    When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a label wasn't
    an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they scanned the QR
    code on my phone and printed a label that they stuck on the parcel.
    I haven't investigated how you go on if you don't have a phone, or
    have one that can't display your emails.

    Owning a printer is so last millennium.


    Crosswords are a lot easier when you have some “scribble space”. ;-) Our printer’s main use is for printing our crosswords these days. I also still prefer a hard copy of some documents when travelling as phone batteries and/or their internet connections are never 100% trustworthy.

    I do acknowledge that’s it’s a bit of an age thing. Neither of my daughters
    have one.

    Tim

    And how are you going to print sticky labels for your tool cabinets?

    No. I still have uses for mine. I admit that a full 'I only have a
    mobile' person can probably just about get by without one
    --
    The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all
    private property.

    Karl Marx

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Feb 4 15:40:52 2025
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 14:00:31 +0000
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 04/02/2025 13:23, Tim+ wrote:
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 03/02/2025 13:55, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
    wrote:
    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to
    Amazon, they (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and
    IIRC there's a choice of courier. I then drop it off either at
    the Post Office (Royal Mail) or at some store which hosts pickup
    for the courier. They scan it and then I bugger off home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond
    them. When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a
    label wasn't an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they
    scanned the QR code on my phone and printed a label that they
    stuck on the parcel. I haven't investigated how you go on if you
    don't have a phone, or have one that can't display your emails.

    Owning a printer is so last millennium.


    Crosswords are a lot easier when you have some “scribble space”.
    ;-) Our printer’s main use is for printing our crosswords these
    days. I also still prefer a hard copy of some documents when
    travelling as phone batteries and/or their internet connections are
    never 100% trustworthy.

    I do acknowledge that’s it’s a bit of an age thing. Neither of my daughters have one.

    Tim

    And how are you going to print sticky labels for your tool cabinets?

    No. I still have uses for mine. I admit that a full 'I only have a
    mobile' person can probably just about get by without one

    Most of the time. That kind of person usually does not see the need to
    take a screen shot of a must-have document, which at least guards
    against loss of signal. It's not going to be easy to display an online
    ticket while underground, even the Elizabeth Line doesn't have mobile repeaters.

    While sitting in the cafe of a park, some months ago, my son queried
    why I have coins in my pocket. He does not even carry notes.

    An hour later we were in a different park, where parking payment was by
    phone or... coins. Fortunately I had enough for both of us, and the 'I
    told you so' just hung implicitly in the air, I didn't say anything.

    --
    Joe

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Joe on Tue Feb 4 16:30:02 2025
    In article <20250204154052.40dbc0cd@jrenewsid.jretrading.com>,
    Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 14:00:31 +0000
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 04/02/2025 13:23, Tim+ wrote:
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 03/02/2025 13:55, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk>
    wrote:
    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to
    Amazon, they (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and
    IIRC there's a choice of courier. I then drop it off either at
    the Post Office (Royal Mail) or at some store which hosts pickup
    for the courier. They scan it and then I bugger off home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond
    them. When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a
    label wasn't an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they
    scanned the QR code on my phone and printed a label that they
    stuck on the parcel. I haven't investigated how you go on if you
    don't have a phone, or have one that can't display your emails.

    Owning a printer is so last millennium.


    Crosswords are a lot easier when you have some scribble space.
    ;-) Our printers main use is for printing our crosswords these
    days. I also still prefer a hard copy of some documents when
    travelling as phone batteries and/or their internet connections are
    never 100% trustworthy.

    I do acknowledge thats its a bit of an age thing. Neither of my daughters have one.

    Tim

    And how are you going to print sticky labels for your tool cabinets?

    No. I still have uses for mine. I admit that a full 'I only have a
    mobile' person can probably just about get by without one

    Most of the time. That kind of person usually does not see the need to
    take a screen shot of a must-have document, which at least guards
    against loss of signal. It's not going to be easy to display an online
    ticket while underground, even the Elizabeth Line doesn't have mobile repeaters.

    While sitting in the cafe of a park, some months ago, my son queried
    why I have coins in my pocket. He does not even carry notes.

    An hour later we were in a different park, where parking payment was by
    phone or... coins. Fortunately I had enough for both of us, and the 'I
    told you so' just hung implicitly in the air, I didn't say anything.



    Attending a trade exhibition in November, I apologised to the counter clerk when I checked in thatb I only had a paper ticket - rather than one on my phone. She said at least paper works!

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4t
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to Joe on Tue Feb 4 17:53:52 2025
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 11:42:42 GMT, "Joe" <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    Apparently iPhones normally need charging every day, more often as the battery ages.

    This is so. It's one reason I retired mine and went back to using the clam-shell of yesteryear.

    --
    "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their
    pockets for new vocabulary."

    James Nicoll, rasfw

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 4 17:15:58 2025
    In message <20250204154052.40dbc0cd@jrenewsid.jretrading.com>, at
    15:40:52 on Tue, 4 Feb 2025, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> remarked:

    I admit that a full 'I only have a
    mobile' person can probably just about get by without one

    Most of the time. That kind of person usually does not see the need to
    take a screen shot of a must-have document, which at least guards
    against loss of signal. It's not going to be easy to display an online
    ticket while underground, even the Elizabeth Line doesn't have mobile >repeaters.

    Today, two examples - inside Aldi is a not-spot and so asking me to scan
    a QR code to find which windscreen wipers I might need, is futile. Not
    far away, needed some cash from an ATM (trader volunteered 10% discount
    for cash, so I went to get some) and again a not-spot, so I couldn't
    transfer some funds into the card I was planning on using.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 4 18:15:01 2025
    On 04/02/2025 13:23, Tim+ wrote:
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 03/02/2025 13:55, Peter Johnson wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 18:26:15 GMT, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    Yes, essentially. The couple of times I've returned stuff to Amazon, they >>>> (amazon) guide me to print out a returns label, and IIRC there's a choice of
    courier. I then drop it off either at the Post Office (Royal Mail) or at some
    store which hosts pickup for the courier. They scan it and then I bugger off
    home.

    It seems that some customers must find printing a label beyond them.
    When I returned an item a couple of weeks ago, printing a label wasn't
    an option. I took it to the Post Office, where they scanned the QR
    code on my phone and printed a label that they stuck on the parcel.
    I haven't investigated how you go on if you don't have a phone, or
    have one that can't display your emails.

    Owning a printer is so last millennium.


    Crosswords are a lot easier when you have some “scribble space”. ;-) Our printer’s main use is for printing our crosswords these days. I also still prefer a hard copy of some documents when travelling as phone batteries and/or their internet connections are never 100% trustworthy.

    I do acknowledge that’s it’s a bit of an age thing. Neither of my daughters
    have one.

    What do they do when they need hard-copy?

    I have just downloaded a council form (for interment of my S-I-L's ashes
    in her parents grave), that is clearly a non-editable scan, that has to
    be filled in and signed by hand and then either posted or scanned and
    emailed.

    Without a printer, I'd either have to go to a library, wait for an
    office day, or request a copy by post.

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 4 17:11:29 2025
    In message <m0crbiFkednU1@mid.individual.net>, at 21:38:58 on Mon, 3 Feb
    2025, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> remarked:

    Don't think I'ver needed to print A3 at home, ever.

    I just printed two posters advertising an event. Normally it's more
    likely to be something like a railway map.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to SteveW on Tue Feb 4 18:42:36 2025
    On 04/02/2025 18:15, SteveW wrote:
    What do they do when they need hard-copy?

    I have just downloaded a council form (for interment of my S-I-L's ashes
    in her parents grave), that is clearly a non-editable scan, that has to
    be filled in and signed by hand and then either posted or scanned and emailed.

    Without a printer, I'd either have to go to a library, wait for an
    office day, or request a copy by post.

    No. What you do is get a copy of Scribus and of GIMP

    Gimp will export the downloaded pages as e.g. png. Import those into
    Scribus as images, and then use text boxes over the top to create an
    email-able multi-page PDF.

    Cost less than buying a printer and scanner

    --
    "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

    Josef Stalin

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Roland Perry on Tue Feb 4 18:38:39 2025
    On 04/02/2025 17:11, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <m0crbiFkednU1@mid.individual.net>, at 21:38:58 on Mon, 3 Feb 2025, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> remarked:

    Don't think I'ver needed to print A3 at home, ever.

    I just printed two posters advertising an event. Normally it's more
    likely to be something like a railway map.

    Fucking map of Addenbrookes is more usual :-(
    And they don't keep that up to date either

    --
    "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

    Josef Stalin

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Tue Feb 4 18:30:02 2025
    In article <m0f2hgF23dgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 11:42:42 GMT, "Joe" <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    Apparently iPhones normally need charging every day, more often as the battery ages.

    This is so. It's one reason I retired mine and went back to using the clam-shell of yesteryear.

    Mine is a couple of years old and still manages 2 or 3 days between
    charges. Depends on how much I use it.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4t
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Feb 4 19:08:15 2025
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    SteveW wrote:

    I have just downloaded a council form (for interment of my S-I-L's
    ashes in her parents grave), that is clearly a non-editable scan, that
    has to be filled in and signed by hand and then either posted or
    scanned and emailed.

    Gimp will export the downloaded pages as e.g. png. Import those into
    Scribus as images, and then use text boxes over the top to create an email-able multi-page PDF.
    Latest firefox has built-in PDF form filling and annotations.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Feb 4 19:15:03 2025
    In article <vntmrf$1vdeg$1@dont-email.me>,
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 04/02/2025 17:11, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <m0crbiFkednU1@mid.individual.net>, at 21:38:58 on Mon, 3 Feb 2025, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> remarked:

    Don't think I'ver needed to print A3 at home, ever.

    I just printed two posters advertising an event. Normally it's more
    likely to be something like a railway map.

    Fucking map of Addenbrookes is more usual :-(

    I thought you'd a private room for that ;-)

    And they don't keep that up to date either

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4t
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Feb 4 20:44:56 2025
    On 04/02/2025 19:08, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    SteveW wrote:

    I have just downloaded a council form (for interment of my S-I-L's
    ashes in her parents grave), that is clearly a non-editable scan,
    that has to be filled in and signed by hand and then either posted or
    scanned and emailed.

    Gimp will export the downloaded pages as e.g. png. Import those into
    Scribus as images, and then use text boxes over the top to create an
    email-able multi-page PDF.
    Latest firefox has built-in PDF form filling and annotations.

    You cant edit non editable PDFs

    --
    Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Feb 4 20:58:53 2025
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    You cant edit non editable PDFs

    Depends what you mean by non-editable?

    Some use what is basically an honour system "don't edit/print/save" flag

    some files are secured/encrypted and need a password to unlock

    or (as I think the O/P meant) the file might be one big image per page,
    but you can overlay text fields onto it.

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Feb 4 20:48:20 2025
    On 04/02/2025 20:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 04/02/2025 19:08, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    SteveW wrote:

    I have just downloaded a council form (for interment of my S-I-L's
    ashes in her parents grave), that is clearly a non-editable scan,
    that has to be filled in and signed by hand and then either posted
    or scanned and emailed.

    Gimp will export the downloaded pages as e.g. png. Import those into
    Scribus as images, and then use text boxes over the top to create an
    email-able multi-page PDF.
    Latest firefox has built-in PDF form filling and annotations.

    You cant edit non editable PDFs

    I have been known to print out the form, fill it in and sign it, then
    scan it and send the scan back as an email attachment.
    --
    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Feb 4 21:43:59 2025
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Depends what you mean by non-editable?

    I mean a PDF that has no forms in it
    The new firefox lets you edit a PDF like that (for encrypted ones, it
    requires the password, but it saves it back with the password.)

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Feb 4 21:33:44 2025
    On 04/02/2025 20:58, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    You cant edit non editable PDFs

    Depends what you mean by non-editable?

    I mean a PDF that has no forms in it

    Some use what is basically an honour system "don't edit/print/save" flag

    some files are secured/encrypted and need a password to unlock

    or (as I think the O/P meant) the file might be one big image per page,
    but you can overlay text fields onto it.

    Well that always works.

    --
    “Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
    a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

    Dennis Miller

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Feb 4 21:56:11 2025
    On 04/02/2025 20:58, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    You cant edit non editable PDFs

    Depends what you mean by non-editable?

    Some use what is basically an honour system "don't edit/print/save" flag

    some files are secured/encrypted and need a password to unlock

    or (as I think the O/P meant) the file might be one big image per page,
    but you can overlay text fields onto it.

    Well I just checked. Firefox cannot edit ordinary PDFs.

    --
    Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
    name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
    or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
    logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
    the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
    face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

    Ayn Rand.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Feb 4 21:44:16 2025
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    And how are you going to print sticky labels for your tool cabinets?

    Label maker machine, obvs. Available from the bay of Ali for a few yuan.

    One day I'll splash out on the one that prints heatshrink so I can label all
    my wires.

    Theo

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Feb 4 22:49:27 2025
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Well I just checked. Firefox cannot edit ordinary PDFs.

    v135.0 ?

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Feb 4 23:30:36 2025
    On 04/02/2025 18:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 04/02/2025 18:15, SteveW wrote:
    What do they do when they need hard-copy?

    I have just downloaded a council form (for interment of my S-I-L's
    ashes in her parents grave), that is clearly a non-editable scan, that
    has to be filled in and signed by hand and then either posted or
    scanned and emailed.

    Without a printer, I'd either have to go to a library, wait for an
    office day, or request a copy by post.

    No. What you do is get a copy of Scribus and of GIMP

    Gimp will export the downloaded pages as e.g. png. Import those into
    Scribus as images, and then use text boxes over the top to create an email-able multi-page PDF.

    Cost less than buying a printer and scanner

    But I don't need to buy either, as I already have them. The printer cost
    me £5 second-hand (I bought it as "for parts" ... all that was wrong was
    a missing power lead and it had only printed 2500 pages) and £50 worth
    of toners (it's a colour laser printer), lasts for years.

    This week alone I have printed out a number of different versions of 16 drawings for rewiring my Land Rover (I'm adding various circuits and
    splitting others over 17 fuses, instead of the 3 originals).

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Feb 4 23:33:21 2025
    On 04/02/2025 20:58, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    You cant edit non editable PDFs

    Depends what you mean by non-editable?

    Some use what is basically an honour system "don't edit/print/save" flag

    some files are secured/encrypted and need a password to unlock

    or (as I think the O/P meant) the file might be one big image per page,
    but you can overlay text fields onto it.

    That's it, but it's a whole lot easier to just print, fill by hand and
    scan, instead of lining up multiple text text boxes and filling them in.

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Theo on Tue Feb 4 23:35:11 2025
    On 04/02/2025 21:44, Theo wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    And how are you going to print sticky labels for your tool cabinets?

    Label maker machine, obvs. Available from the bay of Ali for a few yuan.

    One day I'll splash out on the one that prints heatshrink so I can label all my wires.

    Theo

    Yes. That would be really useful at the moment - writing on them with a
    paint pen is not very good.

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Feb 5 06:08:00 2025
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 22:49:27 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:

    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Well I just checked. Firefox cannot edit ordinary PDFs.

    v135.0 ?

    Just tried it on a Mac - v.good!

    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to SteveW on Wed Feb 5 06:24:29 2025
    SteveW wrote:

    it's a whole lot easier to just print, fill by hand and
    scan, instead of lining up multiple text text boxes and filling them in.
    My solicitor sent me a document by post with dithered grey backgrounds,
    by the time that was filled-in/scanned it was so big their email system wouldn't accept it back as an attachment.

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Feb 5 07:26:54 2025
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    And how are you going to print sticky labels for your tool cabinets?

    Label maker machine, obvs. Available from the bay of Ali for a few yuan.

    One day I'll splash out on the one that prints heatshrink so I can label all my wires.

    Yes! I have a Dymo Rhino and I use its labels **everywhere**. I
    don't use the heatshrink tubes all that much, the heatshrink is fairly expensive and you can only put it on the end of a wire. I use the two
    cable tagging options that use standard label tape. I buy all tape
    from AliExpress and such to avoid paying silly Dymo prices.

    --
    Chris Green
    ·

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Wed Feb 5 07:28:20 2025
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
    On 04/02/2025 20:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 04/02/2025 19:08, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    SteveW wrote:

    I have just downloaded a council form (for interment of my S-I-L's
    ashes in her parents grave), that is clearly a non-editable scan,
    that has to be filled in and signed by hand and then either posted
    or scanned and emailed.

    Gimp will export the downloaded pages as e.g. png. Import those into
    Scribus as images, and then use text boxes over the top to create an
    email-able multi-page PDF.
    Latest firefox has built-in PDF form filling and annotations.

    You cant edit non editable PDFs

    I have been known to print out the form, fill it in and sign it, then
    scan it and send the scan back as an email attachment.

    I do that with lots of forms, it saves quite a bit of postage as some
    of them need to be sent to France. They are quite happy with the
    electronic copies.

    --
    Chris Green
    ·

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Feb 5 09:00:03 2025
    In article <m0gegtF8ledU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    SteveW wrote:

    it's a whole lot easier to just print, fill by hand and
    scan, instead of lining up multiple text text boxes and filling them in.
    My solicitor sent me a document by post with dithered grey backgrounds,
    by the time that was filled-in/scanned it was so big their email system wouldn't accept it back as an attachment.

    don't yu know how to shrink a pdf size?

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4t
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to charles on Wed Feb 5 10:20:45 2025
    charles wrote:

    don't yu know how to shrink a pdf size?
    Dithering really messes up bitmap compression, yes using a threshold
    filter helps a bit

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Feb 5 14:36:31 2025
    On 05/02/2025 06:24, Andy Burns wrote:
    SteveW wrote:

    it's a whole lot easier to just print, fill by hand and scan, instead
    of lining up multiple text text boxes and filling them in.
    My solicitor sent me a document by post with dithered grey backgrounds,
    by the time that was filled-in/scanned it was so big their email system wouldn't accept it back as an attachment.
    So scan it first and convert to black and white...
    --
    A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on
    its shoes.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Feb 5 14:35:20 2025
    On 04/02/2025 22:49, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Well I just checked. Firefox cannot edit ordinary PDFs.

    v135.0 ?



    134.2

    --
    "It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's" Joew Walsh

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Wed Feb 5 15:51:40 2025
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Well I just checked. Firefox cannot edit ordinary PDFs.

    v135.0 ?

    134.2

    I didn't know about the PDF edit functionality until yesterday, when
    someone mentioned it was a new feature in v135, but on checking, someone
    else clarified that it's actually been a feature since v106.

    Clearly it's not for proof-reading War and Peace, but I can see me using
    it for cases where I just need to sign&date something, instead of having
    to launch FoxIt

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Feb 5 17:17:44 2025
    On 05/02/2025 15:51, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Well I just checked. Firefox cannot edit ordinary PDFs.

    v135.0 ?

    134.2

    I didn't know about the PDF edit functionality until yesterday, when
    someone mentioned it was a new feature in v135, but on checking, someone
    else clarified that it's actually been a feature since v106.

    Clearly it's not for proof-reading War and Peace, but I can see me using
    it for cases where I just need to sign&date something, instead of having
    to launch FoxIt

    Well I absolutely failed to find it

    --
    Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
    twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
    on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
    projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

    Richard Lindzen

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Feb 8 19:13:20 2025
    On 05/02/2025 15:51, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Well I just checked. Firefox cannot edit ordinary PDFs.

    v135.0 ?

    134.2

    I didn't know about the PDF edit functionality until yesterday, when
    someone mentioned it was a new feature in v135, but on checking, someone
    else clarified that it's actually been a feature since v106.

    Clearly it's not for proof-reading War and Peace, but I can see me using
    it for cases where I just need to sign&date something, instead of having
    to launch FoxIt

    If you use a browser that doesn't seem to offer this, it's worth checking.
    E.g. I use Opera and this facility _is_ available - via an add-in.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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