• OT: Letter boxes

    From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 2 14:47:30 2025
    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our village mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole - the
    pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Sun Feb 2 14:50:57 2025
    On 2 Feb 2025 14:47:30 GMT
    Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a
    letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our
    village mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those that perches
    on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?


    Here in Suffolk, there was a spate of this a couple of years ago.
    They were all old historical ones. I don't know if any were ever
    recovered.
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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to Davey on Sun Feb 2 14:53:00 2025
    On 2 Feb 2025 at 14:50:57 GMT, "Davey" <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On 2 Feb 2025 14:47:30 GMT
    Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a
    letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our
    village mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them
    half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those that perches
    on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    Here in Suffolk, there was a spate of this a couple of years ago.
    They were all old historical ones. I don't know if any were ever
    recovered.

    OK.

    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E II R on it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look yet).
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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Sun Feb 2 16:23:24 2025
    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:


    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E II R on it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look yet).


    It's no longer Royal Mail so why would they make any post boxes with C
    III R on them? I presume they will not be replacing any existing post
    boxes with rebranded versions and would be replacing any vandalised or
    stolen ones with existing stock.

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Sun Feb 2 18:28:13 2025
    On 2 Feb 2025 at 16:23:24 GMT, "alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:

    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E II R on
    it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look yet).

    It's no longer Royal Mail so why would they make any post boxes with C
    III R on them?

    Tradition.

    I presume they will not be replacing any existing post boxes with rebranded versions

    They've never done that.

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  • From Bob Eager@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 2 18:59:26 2025
    On Sun, 02 Feb 2025 16:23:24 +0000, alan_m wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:


    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E
    II R on it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look
    yet).


    It's no longer Royal Mail so why would they make any post boxes with C
    III R on them? I presume they will not be replacing any existing post
    boxes with rebranded versions and would be replacing any vandalised or
    stolen ones with existing stock.

    If it's not Royal Mail, what is it?



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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Bob Eager on Sun Feb 2 19:52:03 2025
    On 02/02/2025 18:59, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Sun, 02 Feb 2025 16:23:24 +0000, alan_m wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:


    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E
    II R on it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look
    yet).


    It's no longer Royal Mail so why would they make any post boxes with C
    III R on them? I presume they will not be replacing any existing post
    boxes with rebranded versions and would be replacing any vandalised or
    stolen ones with existing stock.

    If it's not Royal Mail, what is it?



    KRÁLOVSKÁ POŠTA :-) (according to Google translate)

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sun Feb 2 20:02:19 2025
    On 02/02/2025 19:52, Andrew wrote:
    On 02/02/2025 18:59, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Sun, 02 Feb 2025 16:23:24 +0000, alan_m wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:


    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E
    II R on it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look
    yet).


    It's no longer Royal Mail so why would they make any post boxes with C
    III R on them?  I presume they will not be replacing any existing post
    boxes with rebranded versions and would be replacing any vandalised or
    stolen ones with existing stock.

    If it's not Royal Mail, what is it?



    KRÁLOVSKÁ POŠTA  :-) (according to Google translate)


    but, since 2022

    IDS (International Distributions Services plc)

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Bob Eager on Sun Feb 2 20:11:48 2025
    On 02/02/2025 18:59, Bob Eager wrote:

    If it's not Royal Mail, what is it?

    Royal Mail is owned by International Distribution Services (IDS), which
    is owned by EP Group. The founder and chairman of EP Group is Daniel Křetínský, a Czech businessman and lawyer.


    Royal Mail was previously owned by the UK government, but was privatized
    in 2013.

    The government approved the sale of Royal Mail's parent firm to EP
    Group. Křetínský's EP Group has said it wants to make Royal Mail a successful postal operator that provides high-quality service.
    Křetínský has said that owning Royal Mail comes with a huge
    responsibility to the employees and citizens who rely on its services.







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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Sun Feb 2 20:32:19 2025
    On 02/02/2025 14:47, Tim Streater wrote:
    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our village mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    Probably sell them on ebay for thousands as decorative retro-chic items
    for your living space...

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  • From Biggles@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Sun Feb 2 20:55:57 2025
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> Wrote in message:r
    On 02/02/2025 19:52, Andrew wrote:> On 02/02/2025 18:59, Bob Eager wrote:>> On Sun, 02 Feb 2025 16:23:24 +0000, alan_m wrote:>>>>> On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:>>>>>>>>>> The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E>>
    II R on it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look>>>> yet).>>>>>>>>> It's no longer Royal Mail so why would they make any post boxes with C>>> III R on them? I presume they will not be replacing any existing post>>> boxes with
    rebranded versions and would be replacing any vandalised or>>> stolen ones with existing stock.>>>> If it's not Royal Mail, what is it?>>>>>>> KRLOVSK PO?TA :-) (according to Google translate)> but, since 2022IDS (International Distributions Services
    plc)-- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

    That's the parent company. It is still Royal Mail who deliver
    letters and parcels in the UK.

    Biggles
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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Sun Feb 2 21:20:06 2025
    On 02/02/2025 14:47, Tim Streater wrote:
    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our village mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?


    I was surprised to see what looks like an authentic modern Royal Mail
    pillar box in a neighbour's garden close to the fence next to the
    pavement. There is a sign saying that it's being used as this person's
    mailbox, for the postman to deliver to, and that people shouldn't post
    stamped mail and expect Royal Mail to collect from it.

    What made me laugh was that just after they put it there, they were
    moaning on the village Facebook group that people were posting letters
    into it. I thought "well, if it looks like a pillar box, what do you
    bloody expect?"

    Did Royal Mail ever sell off old pillar boxes which were no longer
    needed/used (eg if one developed a fault and had to be replaced), or
    would this one be a replica?

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to me@privacy.net on Sun Feb 2 22:25:08 2025
    On 2 Feb 2025 at 21:20:06 GMT, "NY" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 14:47, Tim Streater wrote:
    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a letter, not
    the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our village
    mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The
    one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole - the >> pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was surprised to see what looks like an authentic modern Royal Mail
    pillar box in a neighbour's garden close to the fence next to the
    pavement. There is a sign saying that it's being used as this person's mailbox, for the postman to deliver to, and that people shouldn't post stamped mail and expect Royal Mail to collect from it.

    What made me laugh was that just after they put it there, they were
    moaning on the village Facebook group that people were posting letters
    into it. I thought "well, if it looks like a pillar box, what do you
    bloody expect?"

    Did Royal Mail ever sell off old pillar boxes which were no longer needed/used (eg if one developed a fault and had to be replaced), or
    would this one be a replica?

    There's one like that near us. But it's obviously on the geezer's property,
    not on the road, and it's clearly marked as to what its use is. Not that this always helps - there's plenty of loonies around who haven't got a clue.

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  • From Bob Eager@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 3 00:23:54 2025
    On Sun, 02 Feb 2025 20:02:19 +0000, alan_m wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 19:52, Andrew wrote:
    On 02/02/2025 18:59, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Sun, 02 Feb 2025 16:23:24 +0000, alan_m wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:


    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say
    E II R on it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close
    look yet).


    It's no longer Royal Mail so why would they make any post boxes with
    C III R on them?  I presume they will not be replacing any existing
    post boxes with rebranded versions and would be replacing any
    vandalised or stolen ones with existing stock.

    If it's not Royal Mail, what is it?



    KRÁLOVSKÁ POŠTA  (according to Google translate)


    but, since 2022

    IDS (International Distributions Services plc)

    It's still branded Royal Mail, so the brand goes on the boxes.



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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Mon Feb 3 09:33:14 2025
    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 at 14:50:57 GMT, "Davey" <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On 2 Feb 2025 14:47:30 GMT
    Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a
    letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our
    village mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them
    half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those that perches
    on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    Here in Suffolk, there was a spate of this a couple of years ago.
    They were all old historical ones. I don't know if any were ever
    recovered.

    OK.

    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E II R on it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look yet).

    As with the traditional pillar boxes, new ones with the C III R crest
    will only be put up once the stock of E I R ones is exhausted.

    --
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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to news2019@the-shillings.net on Mon Feb 3 10:22:09 2025
    On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:55:57 +0000 (GMT), Biggles
    <news2019@the-shillings.net> wrote:

    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> Wrote in message:r
    On 02/02/2025 19:52, Andrew wrote:> On 02/02/2025 18:59, Bob Eager wrote:>> On Sun, 02 Feb 2025 16:23:24 +0000, alan_m wrote:>>>>> On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:>>>>>>>>>> The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E>
    II R on it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look>>>> yet).>>>>>>>>> It's no longer Royal Mail so why would they make any post boxes with C>>> III R on them? I presume they will not be replacing any existing post>>> boxes with
    rebranded versions and would be replacing any vandalised or>>> stolen ones with existing stock.>>>> If it's not Royal Mail, what is it?>>>>>>> KRLOVSK PO?TA :-) (according to Google translate)> but, since 2022IDS (International Distributions Services
    plc)-- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

    That's the parent company. It is still Royal Mail who deliver
    letters and parcels in the UK.

    Did they change the name from International Distributions Services to International Distribution Services?

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 3 10:36:20 2025
    On 3 Feb 2025 at 09:33:14 GMT, "Colin Bignell" <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 at 14:50:57 GMT, "Davey" <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On 2 Feb 2025 14:47:30 GMT
    Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a
    letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our
    village mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them
    half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those that perches
    on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    Here in Suffolk, there was a spate of this a couple of years ago.
    They were all old historical ones. I don't know if any were ever
    recovered.

    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E II R on
    it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look yet).

    As with the traditional pillar boxes, new ones with the C III R crest
    will only be put up once the stock of E I R ones is exhausted.

    That should have happened some hundreds of years ago, I would have thought.
    :-)

    --
    Tim

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Mon Feb 3 11:51:22 2025
    On 03/02/2025 10:36, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 3 Feb 2025 at 09:33:14 GMT, "Colin Bignell" <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 at 14:50:57 GMT, "Davey" <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On 2 Feb 2025 14:47:30 GMT
    Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a
    letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our >>>>> village mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them >>>>> half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those that perches >>>>> on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    Here in Suffolk, there was a spate of this a couple of years ago.
    They were all old historical ones. I don't know if any were ever
    recovered.

    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E II R on
    it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look yet).

    As with the traditional pillar boxes, new ones with the C III R crest
    will only be put up once the stock of E I R ones is exhausted.

    That should have happened some hundreds of years ago, I would have thought. :-)

    :-)

    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Feb 3 12:14:26 2025
    On 03/02/2025 10:26, Andy Burns wrote:
    Scott wrote:

    Did they change the name from International Distributions Services to
    International Distribution Services?

    Apparently, yes.

    [source:wikip, ICBA to check companies house filings, but I'd expect it
    would confirm]

    So "International Distribution*s* Services" wasn't just a typo in this
    thread?

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk on Mon Feb 3 12:15:03 2025
    In article <P46dnelgI-s9MD36nZ2dnZeNn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 03/02/2025 10:36, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 3 Feb 2025 at 09:33:14 GMT, "Colin Bignell" <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 at 14:50:57 GMT, "Davey" <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On 2 Feb 2025 14:47:30 GMT Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a
    letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but
    our village mag, received today, indicates that there were three of >>>>> them half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those that
    perches on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no letter
    box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    Here in Suffolk, there was a spate of this a couple of years ago.
    They were all old historical ones. I don't know if any were ever
    recovered.

    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E
    II R on it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look
    yet).

    As with the traditional pillar boxes, new ones with the C III R crest
    will only be put up once the stock of E I R ones is exhausted.

    That should have happened some hundreds of years ago, I would have
    thought.
    :-)

    :-)

    The problem arose because, as far as Scotland was/is concerned Queen
    Elizabeth was not the 2nd of Scotland - only the 1st. Letter boxes with
    EIIR were being blown up. So, letter boxes in Scotland don't have any sovereign's insinia. It's years since I looked, but I think it's just a
    crown.

    --
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  • From brian@21:1/5 to Bignell on Mon Feb 3 12:43:36 2025
    In message <1HqdneeEYOgoET36nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Colin
    Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> writes
    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 at 14:50:57 GMT, "Davey" <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On 2 Feb 2025 14:47:30 GMT
    Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a
    letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our
    village mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them
    half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those that perches
    on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    Here in Suffolk, there was a spate of this a couple of years ago.
    They were all old historical ones. I don't know if any were ever
    recovered.
    OK.
    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say
    E II R on
    it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look yet).

    As with the traditional pillar boxes, new ones with the C III R crest
    will only be put up once the stock of E I R ones is exhausted.


    It seems the ones in Scotland will continue to have the Scottish Crown
    only , as will the post office vans.

    Brian
    --
    Brian Howie

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  • From Fredxx@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 3 13:06:58 2025
    On 02/02/2025 16:23, alan_m wrote:
    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:


    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say E
    II R on
    it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close look yet).


    It's no longer Royal Mail so why would they make any post boxes with C
    III R on them?  I presume they will not be replacing any existing post
    boxes with rebranded versions and would be replacing any vandalised or
    stolen ones with existing stock.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Mail

    It is still Royal Mail Group Limited but that entity is a wholly owned subsidiary of International Distribution Services plc.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 3 13:48:56 2025
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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Feb 3 10:26:01 2025
    Scott wrote:

    Did they change the name from International Distributions Services to International Distribution Services?

    Apparently, yes.

    [source:wikip, ICBA to check companies house filings, but I'd expect it
    would confirm]

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 3 14:54:54 2025
    In message <1HqdneeEYOgoET36nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>, at 09:33:14
    on Mon, 3 Feb 2025, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk>
    remarked:
    On 02/02/2025 14:53, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 at 14:50:57 GMT, "Davey" <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On 2 Feb 2025 14:47:30 GMT
    Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a
    letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our
    village mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them
    half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those that perches
    on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    Here in Suffolk, there was a spate of this a couple of years ago.
    They were all old historical ones. I don't know if any were ever
    recovered.

    OK.
    The one I saw appears to have been replaced. But it apppears to say
    E II R on it rather than C III R (haven't had a chance for a close
    look yet).

    As with the traditional pillar boxes, new ones with the C III R crest
    will only be put up once the stock of E I R ones is exhausted.

    The first was installed in Cambourne (Cambs) on 12th July 2024.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From HVS@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Mon Feb 3 18:36:05 2025
    On 02 Feb 2025, Tim Streater wrote

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a
    letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but
    our village mag, received today, indicates that there were three
    of them half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those
    that perches on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no
    letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?


    Dunno, but the scrap value of cast iron must be a lot higher than I
    thought it was if nicking one of those is worth the effort.

    The ones that look like they're sitting on the ground used to have
    about the same height of what you see above ground hidden underground.
    You don't just pick up a length of cast iron like that and carry it
    back home.....

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  • From Timatmarford@21:1/5 to HVS on Mon Feb 3 19:51:19 2025
    On 03/02/2025 18:36, HVS wrote:
    On 02 Feb 2025, Tim Streater wrote

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a
    letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but
    our village mag, received today, indicates that there were three
    of them half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those
    that perches on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no
    letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?


    Dunno, but the scrap value of cast iron must be a lot higher than I
    thought it was if nicking one of those is worth the effort.

    The ones that look like they're sitting on the ground used to have
    about the same height of what you see above ground hidden underground.
    You don't just pick up a length of cast iron like that and carry it
    back home.....
    Hmm.. Pikey truck with a HIAB

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  • From Adam Funk@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Tue Feb 4 13:24:29 2025
    On 2025-02-02, Tim Streater wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our village mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole - the pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was under the impression they had a significant amount of anchorage
    in the ground --- is that wrong?

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to Adam Funk on Tue Feb 4 17:52:38 2025
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 13:24:29 GMT, "Adam Funk" <a24061a@ducksburg.com> wrote:

    On 2025-02-02, Tim Streater wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a letter, not
    the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our village
    mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The
    one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole - the >> pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was under the impression they had a significant amount of anchorage
    in the ground --- is that wrong?

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath the letter box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with no letter box on top of it.

    --
    Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.

    Terry Pratchett

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Tue Feb 4 18:09:02 2025
    On 04/02/2025 17:52, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 13:24:29 GMT, "Adam Funk" <a24061a@ducksburg.com> wrote:

    On 2025-02-02, Tim Streater wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a letter, not
    the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our village
    mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The
    one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole - the >>> pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was under the impression they had a significant amount of anchorage
    in the ground --- is that wrong?

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath the letter box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with no letter box on top of it.

    The small ones, on poles, would be pretty easy. The full-sized ones,
    planted directly into the ground, seem to have about 1/3 of them buried
    and are pretty immovable.

    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Tue Feb 4 18:43:46 2025
    On 04/02/2025 17:52, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 13:24:29 GMT, "Adam Funk" <a24061a@ducksburg.com> wrote:

    On 2025-02-02, Tim Streater wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a letter, not
    the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our village
    mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The
    one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole - the >>> pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was under the impression they had a significant amount of anchorage
    in the ground --- is that wrong?

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath the letter box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with no letter box on top of it.

    Battery angle grinder!
    --
    To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Feb 4 19:02:32 2025
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Tim Streater wrote:

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath
    the letter box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with
    no letter box on top of it.

    Battery angle grinder!

    Portable bandsaw

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Feb 4 20:07:23 2025
    On 04/02/2025 19:02, Andy Burns wrote:

    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Tim Streater wrote:

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath
    the letter box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with
    no letter box on top of it.

    Battery angle grinder!

    Portable bandsaw

    Shaped charge of Cemtex ;-)

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 4 20:48:08 2025
    On 04/02/2025 20:07, NY wrote:
    On 04/02/2025 19:02, Andy Burns wrote:

    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Tim Streater wrote:

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath
    the letter box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with
    no letter box on top of it.

    Battery angle grinder!

    Portable bandsaw

    Shaped charge of Cemtex ;-)

    Semtex...
    --
    "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
    true: it is true because it is powerful."

    Lucas Bergkamp

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to SteveW on Tue Feb 4 22:37:52 2025
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 18:09:02 GMT, "SteveW" <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

    On 04/02/2025 17:52, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 13:24:29 GMT, "Adam Funk" <a24061a@ducksburg.com> wrote:

    On 2025-02-02, Tim Streater wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a letter, not
    the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our village
    mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The
    one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole - the >>>> pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was under the impression they had a significant amount of anchorage
    in the ground --- is that wrong?

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath the letter >> box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with no letter box on top of
    it.

    The small ones, on poles, would be pretty easy. The full-sized ones,
    planted directly into the ground, seem to have about 1/3 of them buried
    and are pretty immovable.

    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg

    That image brings Monty Python to mind, not sure why.

    --
    "Please stop telling us what you feel. Please stop telling us what your intuition is. Your intuitive feelings are of no interest whatsoever, and nor are mine. I don't give a bugger what you feel, or what I feel. I want to know what the evidence shows."
    -- Richard Dawkins

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Tue Feb 4 23:25:10 2025
    On 04/02/2025 22:37, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 18:09:02 GMT, "SteveW" <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

    On 04/02/2025 17:52, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 13:24:29 GMT, "Adam Funk" <a24061a@ducksburg.com> wrote: >>>
    On 2025-02-02, Tim Streater wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a letter, not
    the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our village
    mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The
    one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole - the
    pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was under the impression they had a significant amount of anchorage
    in the ground --- is that wrong?

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath the letter >>> box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with no letter box on top of
    it.

    The small ones, on poles, would be pretty easy. The full-sized ones,
    planted directly into the ground, seem to have about 1/3 of them buried
    and are pretty immovable.

    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg

    That image brings Monty Python to mind, not sure why.

    Now you've said it, I can't get the image out of my mind.

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  • From Chris J Dixon@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Wed Feb 5 08:26:05 2025
    Tim Streater wrote:

    On 4 Feb 2025 at 18:09:02 GMT, "SteveW" <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

    The small ones, on poles, would be pretty easy. The full-sized ones,
    planted directly into the ground, seem to have about 1/3 of them buried
    and are pretty immovable.

    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg

    That image brings Monty Python to mind, not sure why.

    Close, I guess it is John Cleese that confused you. It was
    actually from The Frost Report.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_sketch https://metro.co.uk/video/ronnie-corbett-s-classic-class-sketch-1278885/

    Chris
    --
    Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
    chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

    Plant amazing Acers.

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to SteveW on Wed Feb 5 08:30:23 2025
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 23:25:10 +0000
    SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

    On 04/02/2025 22:37, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 18:09:02 GMT, "SteveW" <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
    wrote:
    On 04/02/2025 17:52, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 13:24:29 GMT, "Adam Funk"
    <a24061a@ducksburg.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-02, Tim Streater wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts
    a letter, not the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one
    but our village mag, received today, indicates that there were
    three of them half-inched. The one I saw was missing was one of
    those that perches on top of a pole - the pole was still there
    but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was under the impression they had a significant amount of
    anchorage in the ground --- is that wrong?

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath
    the letter box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with
    no letter box on top of it.

    The small ones, on poles, would be pretty easy. The full-sized
    ones, planted directly into the ground, seem to have about 1/3 of
    them buried and are pretty immovable.

    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg

    That image brings Monty Python to mind, not sure why.

    Now you've said it, I can't get the image out of my mind.

    Frost Report? "I look down on him..."

    --
    Joe

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  • From Adam Funk@21:1/5 to SteveW on Wed Feb 5 11:48:29 2025
    On 2025-02-04, SteveW wrote:

    On 04/02/2025 17:52, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 13:24:29 GMT, "Adam Funk" <a24061a@ducksburg.com> wrote:

    On 2025-02-02, Tim Streater wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a letter, not
    the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our village
    mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The
    one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole - the >>>> pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was under the impression they had a significant amount of anchorage
    in the ground --- is that wrong?

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath the letter >> box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with no letter box on top of
    it.

    Aha, I forgot about the ones on poles.


    The small ones, on poles, would be pretty easy. The full-sized ones,
    planted directly into the ground, seem to have about 1/3 of them buried
    and are pretty immovable.

    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg

    That's what I had in mind.

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  • From Ian Jackson@21:1/5 to steve@walker-family.me.uk on Wed Feb 5 22:09:01 2025
    In message <vnu7kp$22cqq$1@dont-email.me>, SteveW
    <steve@walker-family.me.uk> writes
    On 04/02/2025 22:37, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 18:09:02 GMT, "SteveW" <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote: >>
    On 04/02/2025 17:52, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 13:24:29 GMT, "Adam Funk" <a24061a@ducksburg.com> wrote: >>>>
    On 2025-02-02, Tim Streater wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a >>>>>>letter, not
    the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but >>>>>>our village
    mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them >>>>>>half-inched. The
    one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a >>>>>>pole - the
    pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was under the impression they had a significant amount of anchorage >>>>> in the ground --- is that wrong?

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath the letter
    box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with no letter box
    on top of
    it.

    The small ones, on poles, would be pretty easy. The full-sized ones,
    planted directly into the ground, seem to have about 1/3 of them buried
    and are pretty immovable.

    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg
    That image brings Monty Python to mind, not sure why.

    Now you've said it, I can't get the image out of my mind.

    The Knights who say "Ni", or even the Black Knight after King Arthur cut
    his arms off?
    --
    Ian
    Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk on Thu Feb 6 12:56:05 2025
    On 5 Feb 2025 at 22:09:01 GMT, "Ian Jackson"
    <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

    In message <vnu7kp$22cqq$1@dont-email.me>, SteveW
    <steve@walker-family.me.uk> writes
    On 04/02/2025 22:37, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 18:09:02 GMT, "SteveW" <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote: >>>
    On 04/02/2025 17:52, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 13:24:29 GMT, "Adam Funk" <a24061a@ducksburg.com> wrote: >>>>>
    On 2025-02-02, Tim Streater wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a >>>>>>> letter, not
    the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but >>>>>>> our village
    mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them
    half-inched. The
    one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a
    pole - the
    pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was under the impression they had a significant amount of anchorage >>>>>> in the ground --- is that wrong?

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath the letter
    box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with no letter box
    on top of
    it.

    The small ones, on poles, would be pretty easy. The full-sized ones,
    planted directly into the ground, seem to have about 1/3 of them buried >>>> and are pretty immovable.

    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg
    That image brings Monty Python to mind, not sure why.

    Now you've said it, I can't get the image out of my mind.

    The Knights who say "Ni", or even the Black Knight after King Arthur cut
    his arms off?

    That sort of thing.

    The nicked letter box has been replaced, but it's not inservice yet. There's a panel across the opening, thus preventing letters being posted, and no panel showing the collection times. Different department, I assume.

    --
    Tim

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Ian Jackson on Thu Feb 6 17:57:14 2025
    On 05/02/2025 22:09, Ian Jackson wrote:
    In message <vnu7kp$22cqq$1@dont-email.me>, SteveW <steve@walker- family.me.uk> writes
    On 04/02/2025 22:37, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 18:09:02 GMT, "SteveW" <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
    wrote:

    On 04/02/2025 17:52, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 13:24:29 GMT, "Adam Funk" <a24061a@ducksburg.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-02-02, Tim Streater wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a >>>>>>> letter, not
    the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but >>>>>>> our village
    mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them
    half-inched. The
    one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a
    pole - the
    pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was under the impression they had a significant amount of anchorage >>>>>> in the ground --- is that wrong?

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath
    the letter
    box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with no letter box
    on top of
    it.

    The small ones, on poles, would be pretty easy. The full-sized ones,
    planted directly into the ground, seem to have about 1/3 of them buried >>>> and are pretty immovable.

    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg
     That image brings Monty Python to mind, not sure why.

    Now you've said it, I can't get the image out of my mind.

    The Knights who say "Ni", or even the Black Knight after King Arthur cut
    his arms off?

    I was thinking Arthur and the Black Knight.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to SteveW on Fri Feb 7 09:27:51 2025
    On 04/02/2025 18:09, SteveW wrote:


    The small ones, on poles, would be pretty easy. The full-sized ones,
    planted directly into the ground, seem to have about 1/3 of them buried
    and are pretty immovable.

    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg


    Which does leave me wondering why, in 1953, they decided that a new post
    box required a shallower hole than an old one.

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  • From Another John@21:1/5 to SteveW on Fri Feb 7 16:58:25 2025
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 23:25:10 GMT, "SteveW" <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

    <div id="editor" contenteditable="false">>>
    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg

    That image brings Monty Python to mind, not sure why.

    Now you've said it, I can't get the image out of my mind.
    </div>
    <div class="footer" onclick="setCursorToBottom()"></div>

    Don't we mean "That was the Week that Was"? Which had the sketch featuring
    John Cleese (monied classes), Ronnie Barker (middle classes) and Ronnie
    Corbett (working class). (Though in size order, so that the first two could look down on the third).

    Re "Royal Mail" - the fact that it continued to be called "Royal Mail" after privatisation always makes me think that the government of the time were so bloody keen to sell it off to any hard-nosed buyer that they would promise _anything_ - including Her Maj's imprimature and name.
    Like all our public services, it used to be ours, now it's not. But hey: look at all hte benefits that the privatisation has brought!

    John

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  • From Another John@21:1/5 to Chris J Dixon on Fri Feb 7 17:08:55 2025
    On 5 Feb 2025 at 08:26:05 GMT, "Chris J Dixon" <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:

    Close, I guess it is John Cleese that confused you. It was
    actually from The Frost Report.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_sketch

    Ah i was wrong I see -- I was going even further back (3 or so years), to TWTWTW.

    Reading the Wiki entry on that programme... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Was_the_Week_That_Was
    quite astonishing to see how savagely bold the Beeb could be then, and the language!!! (every other word of which would get you hung drawn and quartered (metaphorically old chap!) today).

    But I see also that Ian J has said: "The Knights who say "Ni", or even the Black Knight after King Arthur cut his arms off?"
    Yeah -- probably that!

    John

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Fri Feb 7 23:28:12 2025
    On 02/02/2025 22:25, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 2 Feb 2025 at 21:20:06 GMT, "NY" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 02/02/2025 14:47, Tim Streater wrote:
    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a letter, not
    the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but our village
    mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them half-inched. The
    one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole - the >>> pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was surprised to see what looks like an authentic modern Royal Mail
    pillar box in a neighbour's garden close to the fence next to the
    pavement. There is a sign saying that it's being used as this person's
    mailbox, for the postman to deliver to, and that people shouldn't post
    stamped mail and expect Royal Mail to collect from it.

    What made me laugh was that just after they put it there, they were
    moaning on the village Facebook group that people were posting letters
    into it. I thought "well, if it looks like a pillar box, what do you
    bloody expect?"

    Did Royal Mail ever sell off old pillar boxes which were no longer
    needed/used (eg if one developed a fault and had to be replaced), or
    would this one be a replica?

    There's one like that near us. But it's obviously on the geezer's property, not on the road, and it's clearly marked as to what its use is. Not that this always helps - there's plenty of loonies around who haven't got a clue.


    There's one near me, but it has recently been painted black for some
    reason. The genuine one is about 30 yards down the road.

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  • From Marland@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat Feb 8 09:15:24 2025
    Andrew <andrew_d_may@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 04/02/2025 18:09, SteveW wrote:


    The small ones, on poles, would be pretty easy. The full-sized ones,
    planted directly into the ground, seem to have about 1/3 of them buried
    and are pretty immovable.

    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg


    Which does leave me wondering why, in 1953, they decided that a new post
    box required a shallower hole than an old one.


    Just a guess but maybe when the design originated the pit and then the fill
    was all done by hand,
    by the fifties powered tools could be used, shallower hole but an ability
    to compact the ground harder than by hand.

    GH

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  • From Tim+@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat Feb 8 11:52:40 2025
    Andrew <andrew_d_may@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 04/02/2025 18:09, SteveW wrote:


    The small ones, on poles, would be pretty easy. The full-sized ones,
    planted directly into the ground, seem to have about 1/3 of them buried
    and are pretty immovable.

    Take a look at the left and right ones in this picture:

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYrA8Am_700b.jpg


    Which does leave me wondering why, in 1953, they decided that a new post
    box required a shallower hole than an old one.


    Cost I imagine. New ones are cheaper to make.

    They do seem seriously over engineered with regards to their foundations.
    These days street furniture is generally designed to be move forgiving in
    the event of an RTA.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if the newest ones don’t have an even shallower “root”.

    Tim

    --
    Please don't feed the trolls

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to Another John on Sun Feb 9 16:11:02 2025
    On 7 Feb 2025 at 16:58:25 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Like all our public services, it used to be ours, now it's not.

    It was never ours. Like all nationalised stuff, it belonged to an entity known as "The Government", which could do what it liked with it. What d'ye mean, "ours"? Had share certificates, did you?

    --
    Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.

    Terry Pratchett

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sun Feb 9 16:39:53 2025
    On 04/02/2025 18:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 04/02/2025 17:52, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 4 Feb 2025 at 13:24:29 GMT, "Adam Funk" <a24061a@ducksburg.com> wrote:

    On 2025-02-02, Tim Streater wrote:

    Here, I'm referring to those on the street into which one posts a
    letter, not
    the one on one's front door.

    Round here we have had three of them nicked. I knew about one but
    our village
    mag, received today, indicates that there were three of them
    half-inched. The
    one I saw was missing was one of those that perches on top of a pole
    - the
    pole was still there but no letter box.

    Do scroats just take them for the scrap value?

    I was under the impression they had a significant amount of anchorage
    in the ground --- is that wrong?

    They just hacksaw (or whatever) through the pole just underneath the
    letter
    box. The one I saw, the pole was still there but with no letter box on
    top of
    it.

    Battery angle grinder!

    9-FEB-2025 Middle@Lidl

    Plasma Cutter £119.

    Collect as many RM post boxes as you can man-handle

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Sun Feb 9 20:29:31 2025
    On 09/02/2025 16:11, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 7 Feb 2025 at 16:58:25 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Like all our public services, it used to be ours, now it's not.

    It was never ours. Like all nationalised stuff, it belonged to an entity known
    as "The Government", which could do what it liked with it. What d'ye mean, "ours"? Had share certificates, did you?

    It is a fallacy the Left use that nationalised services 'belong to the
    peepul'. They never did.
    They are funded by the peepul but belong to whitehall and the unions.
    --
    Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
    to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

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  • From Another John@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 11 19:44:52 2025
    On 9 Feb 2025 at 20:29:31 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Like all our public services, it used to be ours, now it's not.

    It was never ours. Like all nationalised stuff, it belonged to an entity known
    as "The Government", which could do what it liked with it. What d'ye mean, >> "ours"? Had share certificates, did you?

    It is a fallacy the Left use that nationalised services 'belong to the peepul'. They never did.
    They are funded by the peepul but belong to whitehall and the unions.

    By "ours" I mean "Us: the Community of the Nation of the United Kingdom".
    Part of our Common Wealth, to be run for our benefit by the Government of the day. (It takes _taxes_ to do this, but successive Governments, for a few decades now, never admit it this, and never try try to persuade (or rather: teach) the population thar if taxes are continuously cut, public services will go down the toilet.

    So: privatised public services used to belong to us, but now to whom do they belong? Giant corporations - all of them foreign - who have never been able to believe their luck, when the Tories decided that the best way to avoid
    squaring the circle of low taxes versus good public services would be to flog them all off, to whoever would take them, so that _they_ could be blamed when the railways fell apart, and the bus companies, and the Very Wonderful Private Energy industry, which does such a great job of keeping prces fair and simple.
    Profit - preferably as excessive as you can make it - is all.

    I would be less cheesed off about all of this, if the people who run these "businesses" got paid such astronomical rewards, on the mutual merry-ground of "top people".

    Go ahead.

    J.

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Another John on Tue Feb 11 21:45:24 2025
    On 11/02/2025 19:44, Another John wrote:
    On 9 Feb 2025 at 20:29:31 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    Like all our public services, it used to be ours, now it's not.

    It was never ours. Like all nationalised stuff, it belonged to an entity known
    as "The Government", which could do what it liked with it. What d'ye mean, >>> "ours"? Had share certificates, did you?

    It is a fallacy the Left use that nationalised services 'belong to the
    peepul'. They never did.
    They are funded by the peepul but belong to whitehall and the unions.

    By "ours" I mean "Us: the Community of the Nation of the United Kingdom". Part of our Common Wealth, to be run for our benefit by the Government of the day. (It takes _taxes_ to do this, but successive Governments, for a few decades now, never admit it this, and never try try to persuade (or rather: teach) the population thar if taxes are continuously cut, public services will
    go down the toilet.

    So: privatised public services used to belong to us, but now to whom do they belong? Giant corporations - all of them foreign - who have never been able to
    believe their luck, when the Tories decided that the best way to avoid squaring the circle of low taxes versus good public services would be to flog them all off, to whoever would take them, so that _they_ could be blamed when the railways fell apart, and the bus companies, and the Very Wonderful Private
    Energy industry, which does such a great job of keeping prces fair and simple.
    Profit - preferably as excessive as you can make it - is all.

    I would be less cheesed off about all of this, if the people who run these "businesses" got paid such astronomical rewards, on the mutual merry-ground of
    "top people".

    Go ahead.

    Taxes are already high. I don't bother with overtime, because I'm not
    willing to sacrifice my precious free time, only to have 40% income tax
    + 2% national insurance + another 13.8% (as a contractor I pay both
    employee's and employer's NI) taken in tax. Then I am charged 20% VAT
    when I spend it. Then there's having to pay into a pension, due to the
    UK's pitifully low state pension.

    On top of that there's fuel duty, VED, insurance tax, council tax,
    councils grabbing every penny by charging high rates for parking,
    congestion charges, low emission zone fines, tolls and a whole lot more.

    After all that, I am expected to pay £1000 a months for accommodation,
    while two of my sons are away at university.

    My wife is disabled and so our home needs heating 24 hours a day and the
    costs of that are going up and up.

    We go out very little. There's little enough left for hobbies to have
    some enjoyment in life and there'd be little point to life with even
    higher taxes.

    Yes, you could tax the highest earners a bit more - but push too much
    and, as has been seen lately, they can decide that they are better off emigrating.

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  • From Nick Finnigan@21:1/5 to SteveW on Tue Feb 11 22:26:39 2025
    On 11/02/2025 21:45, SteveW wrote:

    Taxes are already high. I don't bother with overtime, because I'm not
    willing to sacrifice my precious free time, only to have 40% income tax +
    2% national insurance + another 13.8% (as a contractor I pay both
    employee's and employer's NI) taken in tax. Then I am charged 20% VAT when
    I spend it. Then there's having to pay into a pension, due to the UK's pitifully low state pension.

    Then there's the opportunity to pay directly into a pension fund, with no income tax nor NI, and no government control of the fund.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to SteveW on Tue Feb 11 23:02:37 2025
    On 11/02/2025 21:45, SteveW wrote:
    On 11/02/2025 19:44, Another John wrote:
    On 9 Feb 2025 at 20:29:31 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
    <tnp@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    Like all our public services, it used to be ours, now it's not.

    It was never ours. Like all nationalised stuff, it belonged to an
    entity known
    as "The Government", which could do what it liked with it. What d'ye
    mean,
    "ours"? Had share certificates, did you?

    It is a fallacy the Left use that nationalised services 'belong to the
    peepul'. They never did.
    They are funded by the peepul but belong to whitehall and the unions.

    By "ours" I mean "Us: the Community of the Nation of the United Kingdom".
    Part of our Common Wealth, to be run for our benefit by the Government
    of the
    day.  (It takes _taxes_ to do this, but successive Governments, for a few >> decades now, never admit it this, and never try try to persuade (or
    rather:
    teach) the population thar if taxes are continuously cut, public
    services will
    go down the toilet.

    So: privatised public services used to belong to us, but now to whom
    do they
    belong? Giant corporations - all of them foreign - who have never been
    able to
    believe their luck, when the Tories decided that the best way to avoid
    squaring the circle of low taxes versus good public services would be
    to flog
    them all off, to whoever would take them, so that _they_ could be
    blamed when
    the railways fell apart, and the bus companies, and the Very Wonderful
    Private
    Energy industry, which does such a great job of keeping prces fair and
    simple.
         Profit - preferably as excessive as you can make it - is all.

    I would be less cheesed off about all of this, if the people who run
    these
    "businesses" got paid such astronomical rewards, on the mutual
    merry-ground of
    "top people".

    Go ahead.

    Taxes are already high. I don't bother with overtime, because I'm not
    willing to sacrifice my precious free time, only to have 40% income tax
    + 2% national insurance + another 13.8% (as a contractor I pay both employee's and employer's NI) taken in tax. Then I am charged 20% VAT
    when I spend it. Then there's having to pay into a pension, due to the
    UK's pitifully low state pension.

    But you can still pay 100% of your income into a pension and get full
    tax and NI relief.
    In practice you can decide how much *gross* your ltd co can afford
    to pay into your SIPP and that massively reduces your liability to
    employers NI

    On top of that there's fuel duty, VED, insurance tax, council tax,
    councils grabbing every penny by charging high rates for parking,
    congestion charges, low emission zone fines, tolls and a whole lot more.

    But you have a free EV thanks to your wifes condition which you use
    for your daily commute and when she is with you that nice free-parking
    blue badge covers that, surely.

    After all that, I am expected to pay £1000 a months for accommodation,
    while two of my sons are away at university.

    Who should pay for their accomodation ?

    My wife is disabled and so our home needs heating 24 hours a day and the costs of that are going up and up.

    Should have spent more money and effort on insulating your house when
    energy costs were 'cheap'. Your choice.

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed Feb 12 00:04:59 2025
    On 11/02/2025 23:02, Andrew wrote:
    On 11/02/2025 21:45, SteveW wrote:
    On 11/02/2025 19:44, Another John wrote:
    On 9 Feb 2025 at 20:29:31 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
    <tnp@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    Like all our public services, it used to be ours, now it's not.

    It was never ours. Like all nationalised stuff, it belonged to an
    entity known
    as "The Government", which could do what it liked with it. What
    d'ye mean,
    "ours"? Had share certificates, did you?

    It is a fallacy the Left use that nationalised services 'belong to the >>>> peepul'. They never did.
    They are funded by the peepul but belong to whitehall and the unions.

    By "ours" I mean "Us: the Community of the Nation of the United
    Kingdom".
    Part of our Common Wealth, to be run for our benefit by the
    Government of the
    day.  (It takes _taxes_ to do this, but successive Governments, for a
    few
    decades now, never admit it this, and never try try to persuade (or
    rather:
    teach) the population thar if taxes are continuously cut, public
    services will
    go down the toilet.

    So: privatised public services used to belong to us, but now to whom
    do they
    belong? Giant corporations - all of them foreign - who have never
    been able to
    believe their luck, when the Tories decided that the best way to avoid
    squaring the circle of low taxes versus good public services would be
    to flog
    them all off, to whoever would take them, so that _they_ could be
    blamed when
    the railways fell apart, and the bus companies, and the Very
    Wonderful Private
    Energy industry, which does such a great job of keeping prces fair
    and simple.
         Profit - preferably as excessive as you can make it - is all.

    I would be less cheesed off about all of this, if the people who run
    these
    "businesses" got paid such astronomical rewards, on the mutual merry-
    ground of
    "top people".

    Go ahead.

    Taxes are already high. I don't bother with overtime, because I'm not
    willing to sacrifice my precious free time, only to have 40% income
    tax + 2% national insurance + another 13.8% (as a contractor I pay
    both employee's and employer's NI) taken in tax. Then I am charged 20%
    VAT when I spend it. Then there's having to pay into a pension, due to
    the UK's pitifully low state pension.

    But you can still pay 100% of your income into a pension and get full
    tax and NI relief.
    In practice you can decide how much *gross* your ltd co can afford
    to pay into your SIPP and that massively reduces your liability to
    employers NI

    On top of that there's fuel duty, VED, insurance tax, council tax,
    councils grabbing every penny by charging high rates for parking,
    congestion charges, low emission zone fines, tolls and a whole lot more.

    But you have a free EV thanks to your wifes condition which you use
    for your daily commute and when she is with you that nice free-parking
    blue badge covers that, surely.

    After all that, I am expected to pay £1000 a months for accommodation,
    while two of my sons are away at university.

    Who should pay for their accomodation ?

    Most students get a living costs loan, but because our household has a
    higher income (note it only looks at income and not what remains after
    fixed outgoings), ours sons only get half of that, which is enough for
    food and clothing, but with nothing left for accommodation - WE are
    expected to pay that.

    My wife is disabled and so our home needs heating 24 hours a day and
    the costs of that are going up and up.

    Should have spent more money and effort on insulating your house when
    energy costs were 'cheap'. Your choice.

    We have cavity wall insulation, loft insulation and double glazing, we
    can't afford to do more at the moment.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed Feb 12 08:49:58 2025
    Andrew wrote:

    SteveW wrote:

    Then there's having to pay into a pension, due to
    the UK's pitifully low state pension.

    But you can still pay 100% of your income into a pension and get full
    tax and NI relief.

    If you are lucky enough to be able pay more than £60k/year (modulo carry-forward from unused years) into a pension, you won't get full relief.

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