• Knife sharpener

    From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 5 01:01:51 2025
    Has anyone experience of the so called 'professional knife sharpener'
    being advertised on TV and on the web?
    It consists of an 'X' of spring-loaded plastic rods with tungsten steel inserts.
    The price varies between £30 for the metal framed one and ~£6 to £12 for
    the plastic framed version.
    I have bought the latter and apart from not 'touching' my Sabatier
    knives, one of the tungsten-steel inserts has already fallen out of its
    slot.
    Am I just unlucky or are they crap?

    I'll get my money back, no doubt, but that's not the point.
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    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Wed Feb 5 08:34:35 2025
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 01:01:51 +0000
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Has anyone experience of the so called 'professional knife sharpener'
    being advertised on TV and on the web?
    It consists of an 'X' of spring-loaded plastic rods with tungsten
    steel inserts.
    The price varies between £30 for the metal framed one and ~£6 to £12
    for the plastic framed version.
    I have bought the latter and apart from not 'touching' my Sabatier
    knives, one of the tungsten-steel inserts has already fallen out of
    its slot.
    Am I just unlucky or are they crap?

    I'll get my money back, no doubt, but that's not the point.

    I have an extremely heavy all-metal one which is quite old, but isn't
    used often. By the time I've dug it out of the drawer, and more
    importantly, worked out how to get it back in, it's quicker to use a conventional steel.

    --
    Joe

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Wed Feb 5 11:20:44 2025
    On 05/02/2025 01:01, Jim the Geordie wrote:
    Has anyone experience of the so called 'professional knife sharpener'
    being advertised on TV and on the web?
    It consists of an 'X' of spring-loaded plastic rods with tungsten steel inserts.
    The price varies between £30 for the metal framed one and ~£6 to £12 for the plastic framed version.
    I have bought the latter and apart from not 'touching' my Sabatier
    knives, one of the tungsten-steel inserts has already fallen out of its
    slot.
    Am I just unlucky or are they crap?

    I've never got on with any "mechanical" sharpener. I've used a
    medium-fine grit carborundum stone (shaped like a scythe sharpener) for
    many years and never failed to get a good edge. The only problem with it
    is that it is brittle. I dropped it once and it broke in half, but I
    stuck it back together with epoxy resin.

    A range of stones such as at <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sharpener-Sharpening-200x20mm-Silicone-200x20x20mm/dp/B099R72S82>
    should do everything you require.

    --
    Jeff

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  • From Graham.@21:1/5 to jim@jimXscott.co.uk on Wed Feb 5 16:03:40 2025
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 01:01:51 +0000, Jim the Geordie
    <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Has anyone experience of the so called 'professional knife sharpener'
    being advertised on TV and on the web?
    It consists of an 'X' of spring-loaded plastic rods with tungsten steel >inserts.
    The price varies between 30 for the metal framed one and ~6 to 12 for
    the plastic framed version.
    I have bought the latter and apart from not 'touching' my Sabatier
    knives, one of the tungsten-steel inserts has already fallen out of its
    slot.
    Am I just unlucky or are they crap?

    I'll get my money back, no doubt, but that's not the point.


    20 years ago I bought a free-standing electric can opener which had a knife-sharpening function, a grind-wheel, driven by the motor
    sharpened the blade as it was moved down a slot a few times.

    Recently I replaced it with a new similar looking one, but now the
    knife sharpener is a completely manual operation by a V shamed piece
    of ceramic in the slot.

    --
    Graham.
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  • From Timatmarford@21:1/5 to Graham. on Wed Feb 5 17:17:52 2025
    On 05/02/2025 16:03, Graham. wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 01:01:51 +0000, Jim the Geordie
    <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Has anyone experience of the so called 'professional knife sharpener'
    being advertised on TV and on the web?
    It consists of an 'X' of spring-loaded plastic rods with tungsten steel
    inserts.
    The price varies between £30 for the metal framed one and ~£6 to £12 for >> the plastic framed version.
    I have bought the latter and apart from not 'touching' my Sabatier
    knives, one of the tungsten-steel inserts has already fallen out of its
    slot.
    Am I just unlucky or are they crap?

    I'll get my money back, no doubt, but that's not the point.


    20 years ago I bought a free-standing electric can opener which had a knife-sharpening function, a grind-wheel, driven by the motor
    sharpened the blade as it was moved down a slot a few times.

    Recently I replaced it with a new similar looking one, but now the
    knife sharpener is a completely manual operation by a V shamed piece
    of ceramic in the slot.

    Kindly tell me how you stop domestic staff using a newly sharpened
    carving knife to slice food downwards onto a ceramic plate?


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Timatmarford on Wed Feb 5 17:26:08 2025
    On 05/02/2025 17:17, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 05/02/2025 16:03, Graham. wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 01:01:51 +0000, Jim the Geordie
    <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Has anyone experience of the so called 'professional knife sharpener'
    being advertised on TV and on the web?
    It consists of an 'X' of spring-loaded plastic rods with tungsten steel
    inserts.
    The price varies between £30 for the metal framed one and ~£6 to £12 for >>> the plastic framed version.
    I have bought the latter and apart from not 'touching' my Sabatier
    knives, one of the tungsten-steel inserts has already fallen out of its
    slot.
    Am I just unlucky or are they crap?

    I'll get my money back, no doubt, but that's not the point.


    20 years ago I bought a free-standing electric can opener which had a
    knife-sharpening function, a grind-wheel, driven by the motor
    sharpened the blade as it was moved down a slot a few times.

    Recently I replaced it with a new similar looking one, but now the
    knife sharpener is a completely manual operation by a V shamed piece
    of ceramic in the slot.

    Kindly tell me how you stop domestic staff using a newly sharpened
    carving knife to slice food downwards onto a ceramic plate?


    Throw the ceramic plate in the bin and get a wood or polythene cutting board
    --
    "Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
    conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
    windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

    Alan Sokal

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Graham. on Wed Feb 5 17:20:28 2025
    On 05/02/2025 16:03, Graham. wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 01:01:51 +0000, Jim the Geordie
    <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Has anyone experience of the so called 'professional knife sharpener'
    being advertised on TV and on the web?
    It consists of an 'X' of spring-loaded plastic rods with tungsten steel
    inserts.
    The price varies between £30 for the metal framed one and ~£6 to £12 for >> the plastic framed version.
    I have bought the latter and apart from not 'touching' my Sabatier
    knives, one of the tungsten-steel inserts has already fallen out of its
    slot.
    Am I just unlucky or are they crap?

    I'll get my money back, no doubt, but that's not the point.


    20 years ago I bought a free-standing electric can opener which had a knife-sharpening function, a grind-wheel, driven by the motor
    sharpened the blade as it was moved down a slot a few times.

    Recently I replaced it with a new similar looking one, but now the
    knife sharpener is a completely manual operation by a V shamed piece
    of ceramic in the slot.

    I've got/had every type there is. Now using a diamond encrusted 'steel'...
    ... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Diamond-Steel-Inch-Professional-Sharpening/dp/B0C18DNGCV/

    It works simply and reliably.

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    twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
    on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
    projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

    Richard Lindzen

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Timatmarford on Wed Feb 5 19:16:25 2025
    On 05/02/2025 17:17, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 05/02/2025 16:03, Graham. wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 01:01:51 +0000, Jim the Geordie
    <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Has anyone experience of the so called 'professional knife sharpener'
    being advertised on TV and on the web?
    It consists of an 'X' of spring-loaded plastic rods with tungsten steel
    inserts.
    The price varies between £30 for the metal framed one and ~£6 to £12 for >>> the plastic framed version.
    I have bought the latter and apart from not 'touching' my Sabatier
    knives, one of the tungsten-steel inserts has already fallen out of its
    slot.
    Am I just unlucky or are they crap?

    I'll get my money back, no doubt, but that's not the point.


    20 years ago I bought a free-standing electric can opener which had a
    knife-sharpening function, a grind-wheel, driven by the motor
    sharpened the blade as it was moved down a slot a few times.

    Recently I replaced it with a new similar looking one, but now the
    knife sharpener is a completely manual operation by a V shamed piece
    of ceramic in the slot.

    Kindly tell me how you stop domestic staff using a newly sharpened
    carving knife to slice food downwards onto a ceramic plate?

    World peace? Just ask.
    Your problem? Sorry mate.

    P.S. I prefer slicing downwards to the obvious alternative.


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    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Wed Feb 5 19:28:22 2025
    On 05/02/2025 11:20, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 05/02/2025 01:01, Jim the Geordie wrote:
    Has anyone experience of the so called 'professional knife sharpener'
    being advertised on TV and on the web?
    It consists of an 'X' of spring-loaded plastic rods with tungsten steel
    inserts.
    The price varies between £30 for the metal framed one and ~£6 to £12 for >> the plastic framed version.
    I have bought the latter and apart from not 'touching' my Sabatier
    knives, one of the tungsten-steel inserts has already fallen out of its
    slot.
    Am I just unlucky or are they crap?

    I've never got on with any "mechanical" sharpener. I've used a medium-
    fine grit carborundum stone (shaped like a scythe sharpener) for many
    years and never failed to get a good edge. The only problem with it is
    that it is brittle. I dropped it once and it broke in half, but I stuck
    it back together with epoxy resin.

    A range of stones such as at <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sharpener- Sharpening-200x20mm-Silicone-200x20x20mm/dp/B099R72S82> should do
    everything you require.

    Being somewhat maladroit when it comes to maintaining an accurate angle
    when trying to hone a blade, I bought one of these:

    https://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/en/pt/-lansky-professional-sharpening-system.htm

    On balance I should have bought one of their more basic kits - probably
    this one:

    https://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/en/pt/-lansky-lkc03-controlled-angle-sharpening-system-standard.htm

    Over the decades I tried several different "Pull through" kitchen
    sharpeners, but never really found any to be worthwhile.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Timatmarford@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Wed Feb 5 20:34:47 2025
    On 05/02/2025 17:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 05/02/2025 17:17, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 05/02/2025 16:03, Graham. wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 01:01:51 +0000, Jim the Geordie
    <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Has anyone experience of the so called 'professional knife sharpener'
    being advertised on TV and on the web?
    It consists of an 'X' of spring-loaded plastic rods with tungsten steel >>>> inserts.
    The price varies between £30 for the metal framed one and ~£6 to £12 >>>> for
    the plastic framed version.
    I have bought the latter and apart from not 'touching' my Sabatier
    knives, one of the tungsten-steel inserts has already fallen out of its >>>> slot.
    Am I just unlucky or are they crap?

    I'll get my money back, no doubt, but that's not the point.


    20 years ago I bought a free-standing electric can opener which had a
    knife-sharpening function, a grind-wheel, driven by the motor
    sharpened the blade as it was moved down a slot a few times.

    Recently I replaced it with a new similar looking one, but now the
    knife sharpener is a completely manual operation by a V shamed piece
    of ceramic in the slot.

    Kindly tell me how you stop domestic staff using a newly sharpened
    carving knife to slice food downwards onto a ceramic plate?


    Throw the ceramic plate in the bin and get a wood or polythene cutting
    board
    We have several! I think it must be a presentation issue.

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Thu Feb 6 12:37:58 2025
    On 06/02/2025 03:04, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Thu, 06 Feb 2025 06:28:22 +1100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 05/02/2025 11:20, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 05/02/2025 01:01, Jim the Geordie wrote:
    Has anyone experience of the so called 'professional knife sharpener'
    being advertised on TV and on the web?
    It consists of an 'X' of spring-loaded plastic rods with tungsten steel >>>> inserts.
    The price varies between £30 for the metal framed one and ~£6 to £12 >>>> for
    the plastic framed version.
    I have bought the latter and apart from not 'touching' my Sabatier
    knives, one of the tungsten-steel inserts has already fallen out of its >>>> slot.
    Am I just unlucky or are they crap?
     I've never got on with any "mechanical" sharpener. I've used a
    medium- fine grit carborundum stone (shaped like a scythe sharpener)
    for many years and never failed to get a good edge. The only problem
    with it is that it is brittle. I dropped it once and it broke in
    half, but I stuck it back together with epoxy resin.
     A range of stones such as at <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sharpener-
    Sharpening-200x20mm-Silicone-200x20x20mm/dp/B099R72S82> should do
    everything you require.

    Being somewhat maladroit when it comes to maintaining an accurate
    angle when trying to hone a blade, I bought one of these:

    https://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/en/pt/-lansky-professional-
    sharpening-system.htm

    On balance I should have bought one of their more basic kits -
    probably this one:

    https://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/en/pt/-lansky-lkc03-controlled-angle-
    sharpening-system-standard.htm

    Over the decades I tried several different "Pull through" kitchen
    sharpeners, but never really found any to be worthwhile.

    I love the Wilkinsword scabbard thing that comes with their carving knife

    Unfortunately they haven't made it for years

    Sorry this is the device I was referring to https://tinyurl.com/22ll82lh
    I was more interested in knowing whether anyone has had any success with
    it (or not),so I can either return and get my money back or get it replaced.
    --
    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to Pamela on Fri Feb 7 14:41:32 2025
    On 07/02/2025 11:59, Pamela wrote:
    On 12:37 6 Feb 2025, Jim the Geordie said:
    On 06/02/2025 03:04, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Thu, 06 Feb 2025 06:28:22 +1100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
    On 05/02/2025 11:20, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 05/02/2025 01:01, Jim the Geordie wrote:


    Has anyone experience of the so called 'professional knife
    sharpener' being advertised on TV and on the web? It consists of
    an 'X' of spring-loaded plastic rods with tungsten steel inserts.
    The price varies between Ł30 for the metal framed one and ~Ł6 to >>>>>> Ł12 for the plastic framed version. I have bought the latter and
    apart from not 'touching' my Sabatier knives, one of the
    tungsten-steel inserts has already fallen out of its slot. Am I
    just unlucky or are they crap?

     I've never got on with any "mechanical" sharpener. I've used a
    medium- fine grit carborundum stone (shaped like a scythe
    sharpener) for many years and never failed to get a good edge. The
    only problem with it is that it is brittle. I dropped it once and
    it broke in half, but I stuck it back together with epoxy resin.
     A range of stones such as at <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sharpener- >>>>> Sharpening-200x20mm-Silicone-200x20x20mm/dp/B099R72S82> should do
    everything you require.

    Being somewhat maladroit when it comes to maintaining an accurate
    angle when trying to hone a blade, I bought one of these:

    https://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/en/pt/-lansky-professional-
    sharpening-system.htm

    On balance I should have bought one of their more basic kits -
    probably this one:

    https://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/en/pt/-lansky-lkc03-
    controlled-angle-sharpening-system-standard.htm

    Over the decades I tried several different "Pull through" kitchen
    sharpeners, but never really found any to be worthwhile.

    I love the Wilkinsword scabbard thing that comes with their carving
    knife

    Unfortunately they haven't made it for years

    Sorry this is the device I was referring to
    https://tinyurl.com/22ll82lh I was more interested in knowing whether
    anyone has had any success with it (or not),so I can either return and
    get my money back or get it replaced.

    Your link doesn't work for me but if the sharpener is one where the two grooved rollers turn, then I have found this design to be the best of an admittedly bad bunch of pull-through sharpeners.

    The action is not very aggressive and it is more of honing (where burrs
    are removed and the cutting edge straightened) than sharpening by
    forming a new edge by removing metal. However it does do a bit of the
    latter too.

    I have never heard of a roller coming adrift, as you describe.
    Presumably that's poor construction.

    As an alternative, I find a diamond-studded sharpening file works very well but you have to maintain a reasonably steady angle.

    Try this ten https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/356430919868?var=625423712970&_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20230811123856%26meid%3D43536aefea6642bb9a1419c13cb55170%26pid%3D101770%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26itm%3D625423712970%
    26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4375194%26algv%3DRecentlyViewedItemsV2WithMLRPboosterAndUpdatedFeatures_BP%26brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p4375194.c101770.m146925&_trkparms=parentrq%3Ae0d4a96a1940a549ac778c51fffe2604%7Cpageci%3A86a954cc-e560-11ef-ba1c-
    623b4864b53f%7Ciid%3A1%7Cvlpname%3Avlp_homepage

    The active bit is two small tungsten plates ~ 20mm x 3mm where the arms
    cross. The device made no impression on my Sabatier knives and after a
    dozen or so uses, one of the 'plates' fell off.
    I reported it to the supplier who first offered 25% off, then 50%. Once
    Ebay got involved, I was offered a full discount and not to return.
    Full marks to the supplier, but not to the manufacturer.
    Now to look for an alternative that handles Sabatier knives without my
    having to get out my whetstone.

    --
    Jim the Geordie

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