It's me and my little boat again!
Having once again almost had a nasty accident while accessing the
engine I've decided I really need to improve the engine access,
especially as I am getting older and stiffer.
The engine is under the floor and at present you lift two panels
(with finger lifter) to get access. The larger panel is about
1.5 metres by 70cm and is very heavy, especially when trying to
lift it with just one finger. The panels just rest on a rim of angle,
they aren't hinged or anything so once lifted up you have to do
something with them to get them safely out of the way.
So, I'm thinking that I might replace the two 'lengthwise' panels with
four 'crosswise' ones which would be about 134cm long by 15cm wide.
There is a support 'lengthwise' off-centre across the hole so I think
20mm or so ply should be strong enough, I could add stiffening of some
sort if necessary.
I'd like to hinge the panels at one end and have a decent trapdoor ring
type lifter at the other end. However for doing more than just engine
checks one needs to take the panels off completely and put them out of
the way so the hinges need to be 'detachable' in some way. I don't
think standard 'lift-off' hinges will work, slidng the panels sideways
to remove them will be awkward and putting them back won't be easy.
So, what sort of hinges (or other fittings) might do the job? They
need to be pretty robust and easy to detach when one wants to. I'd be
ok with some sort of latch one moved before lifting the panel, the
panels don't have to lift off without extra intervention, in fact it
might well be a good idea if they don't.
It's me and my little boat again!
Having once again almost had a nasty accident while accessing the
engine I've decided I really need to improve the engine access,
especially as I am getting older and stiffer.
The engine is under the floor and at present you lift two panels
(with finger lifter) to get access. The larger panel is about
1.5 metres by 70cm and is very heavy, especially when trying to
lift it with just one finger. The panels just rest on a rim of angle,
they aren't hinged or anything so once lifted up you have to do
something with them to get them safely out of the way.
So, I'm thinking that I might replace the two 'lengthwise' panels with
four 'crosswise' ones which would be about 134cm long by 15cm wide.
There is a support 'lengthwise' off-centre across the hole so I think
20mm or so ply should be strong enough, I could add stiffening of some
sort if necessary.
I'd like to hinge the panels at one end and have a decent trapdoor ring
type lifter at the other end. However for doing more than just engine
checks one needs to take the panels off completely and put them out of
the way so the hinges need to be 'detachable' in some way. I don't
think standard 'lift-off' hinges will work, slidng the panels sideways
to remove them will be awkward and putting them back won't be easy.
So, what sort of hinges (or other fittings) might do the job? They
need to be pretty robust and easy to detach when one wants to. I'd be
ok with some sort of latch one moved before lifting the panel, the
panels don't have to lift off without extra intervention, in fact it
might well be a good idea if they don't.
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
It's me and my little boat again!
Having once again almost had a nasty accident while accessing the
engine I've decided I really need to improve the engine access,
especially as I am getting older and stiffer.
The engine is under the floor and at present you lift two panels
(with finger lifter) to get access. The larger panel is about
1.5 metres by 70cm and is very heavy, especially when trying to
lift it with just one finger. The panels just rest on a rim of angle,
they aren't hinged or anything so once lifted up you have to do
something with them to get them safely out of the way.
So, I'm thinking that I might replace the two 'lengthwise' panels with
four 'crosswise' ones which would be about 134cm long by 15cm wide.
There is a support 'lengthwise' off-centre across the hole so I think
20mm or so ply should be strong enough, I could add stiffening of some
sort if necessary.
I'd like to hinge the panels at one end and have a decent trapdoor ring type lifter at the other end. However for doing more than just engine checks one needs to take the panels off completely and put them out of
the way so the hinges need to be 'detachable' in some way. I don't
think standard 'lift-off' hinges will work, slidng the panels sideways
to remove them will be awkward and putting them back won't be easy.
So, what sort of hinges (or other fittings) might do the job? They
need to be pretty robust and easy to detach when one wants to. I'd be
ok with some sort of latch one moved before lifting the panel, the
panels don't have to lift off without extra intervention, in fact it
might well be a good idea if they don't.
I have used self-latching Blum hinges on some 2.2m x 0.4m doors of 18mm MDF and they work quite well. You can get types that swing 110deg. and more
which in your case would overcome any tendency to swing close on their own. Most of the modern Blum hinges detach from their backplates by flicking a small lever at the back if you need to remove the hatches completely.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/blum-steel-110-concealed-hinges-115mm-2-pack/1964j
https://www.screwfix.com/p/blum-steel-170-sprung-clip-on-concealed-hinges-140mm-2-pack/14714
Chris Green wrote:
It's me and my little boat again!
Having once again almost had a nasty accident while accessing the
engine I've decided I really need to improve the engine access,
especially as I am getting older and stiffer.
The engine is under the floor and at present you lift two panels
(with finger lifter) to get access. The larger panel is about
1.5 metres by 70cm and is very heavy, especially when trying to
lift it with just one finger. The panels just rest on a rim of angle,
they aren't hinged or anything so once lifted up you have to do
something with them to get them safely out of the way.
So, I'm thinking that I might replace the two 'lengthwise' panels with
four 'crosswise' ones which would be about 134cm long by 15cm wide.
There is a support 'lengthwise' off-centre across the hole so I think
20mm or so ply should be strong enough, I could add stiffening of some
sort if necessary.
I'd like to hinge the panels at one end and have a decent trapdoor ring type lifter at the other end. However for doing more than just engine checks one needs to take the panels off completely and put them out of
the way so the hinges need to be 'detachable' in some way. I don't
think standard 'lift-off' hinges will work, slidng the panels sideways
to remove them will be awkward and putting them back won't be easy.
So, what sort of hinges (or other fittings) might do the job? They
need to be pretty robust and easy to detach when one wants to. I'd be
ok with some sort of latch one moved before lifting the panel, the
panels don't have to lift off without extra intervention, in fact it
might well be a good idea if they don't.
Take a standard butt hinge, knock out the pin and replace it with a
clevis pin (they have an R clip retaining them). Or maybe these: https://www.vital-parts.co.uk/stainless-steel-hinges-869-c.asp, or
similar. Perhaps https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?spm=a2700.details.pageModule_fy23_pc_search_bar.keydown__Enter&tab=all&SearchText=loose+pin+hinge
Search for "loose pin butt hinge"
I just had a thought, thinking about how easy (or not) it will be to
detach the panel from the hinges when one wants to.
Can one get fairly robust/heavyweight hinges where one half of the
hinge is a pin that goes into a hole?
One side of the hinge would be screwed onto the edge of the fixed
floor around the hole, then the side which is a pin/rod of some sort
would be inserted into the edge of the 'trapdoor'. On opening the
trapdoor it just sits on the pins by gravity, to remove it you just
lift it off the pins. I guess there could be some sort of locking
mechanism to keep the pins in place if that seems necessary.
So, the question is, what's this sort of hinge called? I've seen
small versions of them used on jewellery type boxes but not larger
ones. Also, I'm not sure if the exist in a 'one sided' sort of
version where one side is standard hinge and the other half is the
pin.
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
I just had a thought, thinking about how easy (or not) it will be to
detach the panel from the hinges when one wants to.
Can one get fairly robust/heavyweight hinges where one half of the
hinge is a pin that goes into a hole?
One side of the hinge would be screwed onto the edge of the fixed
floor around the hole, then the side which is a pin/rod of some sort
would be inserted into the edge of the 'trapdoor'. On opening the
trapdoor it just sits on the pins by gravity, to remove it you just
lift it off the pins. I guess there could be some sort of locking mechanism to keep the pins in place if that seems necessary.
So, the question is, what's this sort of hinge called? I've seen
small versions of them used on jewellery type boxes but not larger
ones. Also, I'm not sure if the exist in a 'one sided' sort of
version where one side is standard hinge and the other half is the
pin.
It's sort of like a barrel hinge, but not quite.
On doors often called "Rising Butt"Sounds frightfully 'gay'
I just had a thought, thinking about how easy (or not) it will be to
detach the panel from the hinges when one wants to.
Can one get fairly robust/heavyweight hinges where one half of the
hinge is a pin that goes into a hole?
One side of the hinge would be screwed onto the edge of the fixed
floor around the hole, then the side which is a pin/rod of some sort
would be inserted into the edge of the 'trapdoor'. On opening the
trapdoor it just sits on the pins by gravity, to remove it you just
lift it off the pins. I guess there could be some sort of locking
mechanism to keep the pins in place if that seems necessary.
So, the question is, what's this sort of hinge called? I've seen
small versions of them used on jewellery type boxes but not larger
ones. Also, I'm not sure if the exist in a 'one sided' sort of
version where one side is standard hinge and the other half is the
pin.
In article <nnq18l-dru8.ln1@q957.zbmc.eu>,
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
I just had a thought, thinking about how easy (or not) it will be to detach the panel from the hinges when one wants to.
Can one get fairly robust/heavyweight hinges where one half of the
hinge is a pin that goes into a hole?
One side of the hinge would be screwed onto the edge of the fixed
floor around the hole, then the side which is a pin/rod of some sort would be inserted into the edge of the 'trapdoor'. On opening the trapdoor it just sits on the pins by gravity, to remove it you just
lift it off the pins. I guess there could be some sort of locking mechanism to keep the pins in place if that seems necessary.
So, the question is, what's this sort of hinge called? I've seen
small versions of them used on jewellery type boxes but not larger
ones. Also, I'm not sure if the exist in a 'one sided' sort of
version where one side is standard hinge and the other half is the
pin.
It's sort of like a barrel hinge, but not quite.
On doors often called "Rising Butt"
Chris Green wrote:
I just had a thought, thinking about how easy (or not) it will be to
detach the panel from the hinges when one wants to.
Can one get fairly robust/heavyweight hinges where one half of the
hinge is a pin that goes into a hole?
One side of the hinge would be screwed onto the edge of the fixed
floor around the hole, then the side which is a pin/rod of some sort
would be inserted into the edge of the 'trapdoor'. On opening the
trapdoor it just sits on the pins by gravity, to remove it you just
lift it off the pins. I guess there could be some sort of locking mechanism to keep the pins in place if that seems necessary.
So, the question is, what's this sort of hinge called? I've seen
small versions of them used on jewellery type boxes but not larger
ones. Also, I'm not sure if the exist in a 'one sided' sort of
version where one side is standard hinge and the other half is the
pin.
I think you mean something like a "lift off case hinge" - I used them
when I made a flight case for a son's stage piano. Try "lift-off hinge
flight case"
No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:
Chris Green wrote:
I just had a thought, thinking about how easy (or not) it will beI think you mean something like a "lift off case hinge" - I used them
to detach the panel from the hinges when one wants to.
Can one get fairly robust/heavyweight hinges where one half of the
hinge is a pin that goes into a hole?
One side of the hinge would be screwed onto the edge of the fixed
floor around the hole, then the side which is a pin/rod of some
sort would be inserted into the edge of the 'trapdoor'. On opening
the trapdoor it just sits on the pins by gravity, to remove it you
just lift it off the pins. I guess there could be some sort of
locking mechanism to keep the pins in place if that seems
necessary.
So, the question is, what's this sort of hinge called? I've seen
small versions of them used on jewellery type boxes but not larger
ones. Also, I'm not sure if the exist in a 'one sided' sort of
version where one side is standard hinge and the other half is the
pin.
when I made a flight case for a son's stage piano. Try "lift-off
hinge flight case"
Searching for "lift off case hinge" produces a lot of the type of
thing I was originally thinking of. They're like ordinary but hinges
but one half is 'incomplete' so it doesn't go right round the hinge
pin and can be lifted off when the 'door' is partly open. This may
well work for me. So "lift off case hinge" is a useful search name.
It's still not what I have in my mind.
Think of a hinge where one half is a bit like this:-
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362938225075?chn=ps&_ul=GB&mkevt=1&mkcid
=28&google_free_listing_action=view_item
but the other half is like a normal butt hinge. Or take a normal butt
hinge and weld a length of rod to one of its halves, then drill holes
into the trap-door where the length of rod could be pushed.
It's me and my little boat again!
Having once again almost had a nasty accident while accessing the
engine I've decided I really need to improve the engine access,
especially as I am getting older and stiffer.
The engine is under the floor and at present you lift two panels
(with finger lifter) to get access. The larger panel is about
1.5 metres by 70cm and is very heavy, especially when trying to
lift it with just one finger. The panels just rest on a rim of angle,
they aren't hinged or anything so once lifted up you have to do
something with them to get them safely out of the way.
So, I'm thinking that I might replace the two 'lengthwise' panels with
four 'crosswise' ones which would be about 134cm long by 15cm wide.
There is a support 'lengthwise' off-centre across the hole so I think
20mm or so ply should be strong enough, I could add stiffening of some
sort if necessary.
I'd like to hinge the panels at one end and have a decent trapdoor ring
type lifter at the other end. However for doing more than just engine
checks one needs to take the panels off completely and put them out of
the way so the hinges need to be 'detachable' in some way. I don't
think standard 'lift-off' hinges will work, slidng the panels sideways
to remove them will be awkward and putting them back won't be easy.
So, what sort of hinges (or other fittings) might do the job? They
need to be pretty robust and easy to detach when one wants to. I'd be
ok with some sort of latch one moved before lifting the panel, the
panels don't have to lift off without extra intervention, in fact it
might well be a good idea if they don't.
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
It's me and my little boat again!
Having once again almost had a nasty accident while accessing the
engine I've decided I really need to improve the engine access,
especially as I am getting older and stiffer.
The engine is under the floor and at present you lift two panels
(with finger lifter) to get access. The larger panel is about
1.5 metres by 70cm and is very heavy, especially when trying to
lift it with just one finger. The panels just rest on a rim of angle,
they aren't hinged or anything so once lifted up you have to do
something with them to get them safely out of the way.
So, I'm thinking that I might replace the two 'lengthwise' panels with
four 'crosswise' ones which would be about 134cm long by 15cm wide.
There is a support 'lengthwise' off-centre across the hole so I think
20mm or so ply should be strong enough, I could add stiffening of some
sort if necessary.
I'd like to hinge the panels at one end and have a decent trapdoor ring type lifter at the other end. However for doing more than just engine checks one needs to take the panels off completely and put them out of
the way so the hinges need to be 'detachable' in some way. I don't
think standard 'lift-off' hinges will work, slidng the panels sideways
to remove them will be awkward and putting them back won't be easy.
So, what sort of hinges (or other fittings) might do the job? They
need to be pretty robust and easy to detach when one wants to. I'd be
ok with some sort of latch one moved before lifting the panel, the
panels don't have to lift off without extra intervention, in fact it
might well be a good idea if they don't.
Do you really need hinges? Why not just put a finger lifter in each end of each board?
Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:Most times when lifting the 'doors' it's just for daily checks so you
It's me and my little boat again!
Having once again almost had a nasty accident while accessing the
engine I've decided I really need to improve the engine access,
especially as I am getting older and stiffer.
The engine is under the floor and at present you lift two panels
(with finger lifter) to get access. The larger panel is about
1.5 metres by 70cm and is very heavy, especially when trying to
lift it with just one finger. The panels just rest on a rim of angle,
they aren't hinged or anything so once lifted up you have to do
something with them to get them safely out of the way.
So, I'm thinking that I might replace the two 'lengthwise' panels with
four 'crosswise' ones which would be about 134cm long by 15cm wide.
There is a support 'lengthwise' off-centre across the hole so I think
20mm or so ply should be strong enough, I could add stiffening of some
sort if necessary.
I'd like to hinge the panels at one end and have a decent trapdoor ring
type lifter at the other end. However for doing more than just engine
checks one needs to take the panels off completely and put them out of
the way so the hinges need to be 'detachable' in some way. I don't
think standard 'lift-off' hinges will work, slidng the panels sideways
to remove them will be awkward and putting them back won't be easy.
So, what sort of hinges (or other fittings) might do the job? They
need to be pretty robust and easy to detach when one wants to. I'd be
ok with some sort of latch one moved before lifting the panel, the
panels don't have to lift off without extra intervention, in fact it
might well be a good idea if they don't.
Do you really need hinges? Why not just put a finger lifter in each end of >> each board?
want to 'open the door' and do checks. A hinged door will be handier
for this as it will stay in place and can just be lowered afterwards
without any hassle.
Though I suppose for the daily inspections one could just lift one and
put it to one side (on top of the next one).
So you may be right! :-) I'll have to think about what the daily
checks need in terms of accessibility to the engine etc. It might be
that some can be done without engine access, the only one that
definitely needs it is the dip stick.
Thanks!
I'd like to hinge the panels at one end and have a decent trapdoor ring
type lifter at the other end.
Chris Green wrote:
Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
Most times when lifting the 'doors' it's just for daily checks so you
Do you really need hinges? Why not just put a finger lifter in each end of >> each board?
want to 'open the door' and do checks. A hinged door will be handier
for this as it will stay in place and can just be lowered afterwards without any hassle.
Though I suppose for the daily inspections one could just lift one and
put it to one side (on top of the next one).
So you may be right! :-) I'll have to think about what the daily
checks need in terms of accessibility to the engine etc. It might be
that some can be done without engine access, the only one that
definitely needs it is the dip stick.
Thanks!
Fit a small hatch over the location of the dipstick - and an extension
to the dipstick if it's out of reach with your arm through the hatch.
Chris Green wrote:#
I'd like to hinge the panels at one end and have a decent trapdoor ring type lifter at the other end.
Any good? Seems reasonable for a chandler ... they have lift ring pulls too
<https://www.gsproducts.co.uk/hatch-hinge-65-74mm/>
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