• Garden tap + Check valve - recommendations

    From AnthonyL@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 19 13:56:24 2025
    The outdoor bib tap has seized and leaks. Precedes our purchase of
    the house so probably 20+ years old.

    Anyhow it seems as if it has a check valve and the hose is used
    sometimes to top up the garden pond.

    Screwfix do a low cost unit 8.89

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/essentials-outside-tap-with-double-check-valve-15mm-x-1-2-/37241

    but one review says it didn't last long.

    Any recommendations for a good quality unit?


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  • From Fredxx@21:1/5 to AnthonyL on Wed Feb 19 14:44:59 2025
    On 19/02/2025 13:56, AnthonyL wrote:
    The outdoor bib tap has seized and leaks. Precedes our purchase of
    the house so probably 20+ years old.

    Anyhow it seems as if it has a check valve and the hose is used
    sometimes to top up the garden pond.

    Screwfix do a low cost unit Ł8.89

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/essentials-outside-tap-with-double-check-valve-15mm-x-1-2-/37241

    but one review says it didn't last long.

    Any recommendations for a good quality unit?

    It generally got good reviews. If you're concerned take it apart and
    inspect the seat if you think it will fail in the same way as this
    reviewer's.

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  • From Timatmarford@21:1/5 to Fredxx on Wed Feb 19 16:22:15 2025
    On 19/02/2025 14:44, Fredxx wrote:
    On 19/02/2025 13:56, AnthonyL wrote:
    The outdoor bib tap has seized and leaks.  Precedes our purchase of
    the house so probably 20+ years old.

    Anyhow it seems as if it has a check valve and the hose is used
    sometimes to top up the garden pond.

    Screwfix do a low cost unit Ł8.89

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/essentials-outside-tap-with-double-check-
    valve-15mm-x-1-2-/37241

    but one review says it didn't last long.

    Any recommendations for a good quality unit?

    It generally got good reviews. If you're concerned take it apart and
    inspect the seat if you think it will fail in the same way as this reviewer's.

    A hard frost destroys the mechanism. The non return bit is to stop dirty
    water being sucked back to the main in the event of a supply failure
    elsewhere.

    For agricultural use, they insist on a double air break device! I think
    there is a reasonable concern where auto garden waterers are left
    permanently connected.

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Timatmarford on Wed Feb 19 18:53:14 2025
    On 19/02/2025 16:22, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 19/02/2025 14:44, Fredxx wrote:
    On 19/02/2025 13:56, AnthonyL wrote:
    The outdoor bib tap has seized and leaks.  Precedes our purchase of
    the house so probably 20+ years old.

    Anyhow it seems as if it has a check valve and the hose is used
    sometimes to top up the garden pond.

    Screwfix do a low cost unit Ł8.89

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/essentials-outside-tap-with-double-check-
    valve-15mm-x-1-2-/37241

    but one review says it didn't last long.

    Any recommendations for a good quality unit?

    It generally got good reviews. If you're concerned take it apart and
    inspect the seat if you think it will fail in the same way as this
    reviewer's.

    A hard frost destroys the mechanism. The non return bit is to stop dirty water being sucked back to the main in the event of a supply failure elsewhere.

    For agricultural use, they insist on a double air break device! I think
    there is a reasonable concern where auto garden waterers are left
    permanently connected.

    I put a check valve in the indoor pipework which leads to the outdoor
    tap. The only hardware subject to weather is the (insulated) external
    pipe run and the bib tap itself.
    I shut off and drain down the whole thing each year before the first
    frosts - although it should withstand a minor overnight frost since it
    is in a sheltered location.

    P.S. Whilst the pipe used is copper, the short section which runs
    through the (thick) house wall is plastic with compression fittings on
    each end. If I forget to drain down and frost does get it - it's that
    external compression fitting on the plastic pipe which will fail.

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  • From AnthonyL@21:1/5 to Sam Plusnet on Wed Feb 19 21:13:40 2025
    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:53:14 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 19/02/2025 16:22, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 19/02/2025 14:44, Fredxx wrote:
    On 19/02/2025 13:56, AnthonyL wrote:
    The outdoor bib tap has seized and leaks.  Precedes our purchase of
    the house so probably 20+ years old.

    Anyhow it seems as if it has a check valve and the hose is used
    sometimes to top up the garden pond.

    Screwfix do a low cost unit Ł8.89

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/essentials-outside-tap-with-double-check-
    valve-15mm-x-1-2-/37241

    but one review says it didn't last long.

    Any recommendations for a good quality unit?

    It generally got good reviews. If you're concerned take it apart and
    inspect the seat if you think it will fail in the same way as this
    reviewer's.

    A hard frost destroys the mechanism. The non return bit is to stop dirty
    water being sucked back to the main in the event of a supply failure
    elsewhere.

    For agricultural use, they insist on a double air break device! I think
    there is a reasonable concern where auto garden waterers are left
    permanently connected.

    I put a check valve in the indoor pipework which leads to the outdoor
    tap. The only hardware subject to weather is the (insulated) external
    pipe run and the bib tap itself.


    That's a thought. I get confused with fittings so if I get a single
    check valve

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/flomasta-single-check-valve-15mm/38236

    Is it simply a matter of cutting out a section of pipe, using a couple
    of olives and tightening up?

    On further checking the

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/flomasta-double-check-valve-15mm/96336#product_additional_details_container

    has a bolt head for turning the water off if needed, that might be
    handy as I could turn off inside and leave the bib tap open in the
    winter.


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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to AnthonyL on Thu Feb 20 00:26:58 2025
    On 19/02/2025 21:13, AnthonyL wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:53:14 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 19/02/2025 16:22, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 19/02/2025 14:44, Fredxx wrote:
    On 19/02/2025 13:56, AnthonyL wrote:
    The outdoor bib tap has seized and leaks.  Precedes our purchase of >>>>> the house so probably 20+ years old.

    Anyhow it seems as if it has a check valve and the hose is used
    sometimes to top up the garden pond.

    Screwfix do a low cost unit Ł8.89

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/essentials-outside-tap-with-double-check- >>>>> valve-15mm-x-1-2-/37241

    but one review says it didn't last long.

    Any recommendations for a good quality unit?

    It generally got good reviews. If you're concerned take it apart and
    inspect the seat if you think it will fail in the same way as this
    reviewer's.

    A hard frost destroys the mechanism. The non return bit is to stop dirty >>> water being sucked back to the main in the event of a supply failure
    elsewhere.

    For agricultural use, they insist on a double air break device! I think
    there is a reasonable concern where auto garden waterers are left
    permanently connected.

    I put a check valve in the indoor pipework which leads to the outdoor
    tap. The only hardware subject to weather is the (insulated) external
    pipe run and the bib tap itself.


    That's a thought. I get confused with fittings so if I get a single
    check valve

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/flomasta-single-check-valve-15mm/38236

    Is it simply a matter of cutting out a section of pipe, using a couple
    of olives and tightening up?

    Yes.

    On further checking the

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/flomasta-double-check-valve-15mm/96336#product_additional_details_container

    has a bolt head for turning the water off if needed, that might be
    handy as I could turn off inside and leave the bib tap open in the
    winter.

    Which is (roughly) what I do - although I have a separate gate valve
    which was already installed before check valves became 'a thing'.

    I also have a drain cock on the lowest point of the outdoor pipework.
    Hence my Autumn/Winter routine is:
    Close gate valve, open bib tap, and open drain cock to empty the outdoor
    pipe run.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Sam Plusnet on Thu Feb 20 01:11:33 2025
    On 20/02/2025 00:26, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 19/02/2025 21:13, AnthonyL wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:53:14 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 19/02/2025 16:22, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 19/02/2025 14:44, Fredxx wrote:
    On 19/02/2025 13:56, AnthonyL wrote:
    The outdoor bib tap has seized and leaks.  Precedes our purchase of >>>>>> the house so probably 20+ years old.

    Anyhow it seems as if it has a check valve and the hose is used
    sometimes to top up the garden pond.

    Screwfix do a low cost unit Ł8.89

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/essentials-outside-tap-with-double-check- >>>>>> valve-15mm-x-1-2-/37241

    but one review says it didn't last long.

    Any recommendations for a good quality unit?

    It generally got good reviews. If you're concerned take it apart and >>>>> inspect the seat if you think it will fail in the same way as this
    reviewer's.

    A hard frost destroys the mechanism. The non return bit is to stop
    dirty
    water being sucked back to the main in the event of a supply failure
    elsewhere.

    For agricultural use, they insist on a double air break device! I think >>>> there is a reasonable concern where auto garden waterers are left
    permanently connected.

    I put a check valve in the indoor pipework which leads to the outdoor
    tap.  The only hardware subject to weather is the (insulated) external
    pipe run and the bib tap itself.


    That's a thought.  I get confused with fittings so if I get a single
    check valve

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/flomasta-single-check-valve-15mm/38236

    Is it simply a matter of cutting out a section of pipe, using a couple
    of olives and tightening up?

    Yes.

    On further checking the

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/flomasta-double-check-
    valve-15mm/96336#product_additional_details_container

    has a bolt head for turning the water off if needed, that might be
    handy as I could turn off inside and leave the bib tap open in the
    winter.

    Which is (roughly) what I do - although I have a separate gate valve
    which was already installed before check valves became 'a thing'.

    I also have a drain cock on the lowest point of the outdoor pipework.
    Hence my Autumn/Winter routine is:
    Close gate valve, open bib tap, and open drain cock to empty the outdoor
    pipe run.


    +1
    Both my outside taps have lever ball valves on the inside pipework to
    turn off the water. I also leave the taps fully open when the water is
    switched off during winter. One of my taps is the low point after lever
    valve, the other has a drain cock in the low point of the pipework.

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  • From AnthonyL@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 20 12:22:17 2025
    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:13:40 GMT, nospam@please.invalid (AnthonyL)
    wrote:



    That's a thought. I get confused with fittings so if I get a single
    check valve

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/flomasta-single-check-valve-15mm/38236

    Is it simply a matter of cutting out a section of pipe, using a couple
    of olives and tightening up?


    Can I have guidance on the above please?


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