I'd like to remove a light switch and conceal the wiring within a stud partition wall. Necessary connections will be with Wagos, and the bundle enclosed in a Wago box. The circuit will then be controlled by another switch already installed and working elsewhere.
However, I'm not sure what to join together. A pic of the switch here:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
Always found lighting wiring, especially where multiple cables converge (3 in this case), baffling . . .
I'd like to remove a light switch and conceal the wiring within a stud partition wall. Necessary connections will be with Wagos, and the bundle enclosed in a Wago box. The circuit will then be controlled by another switch already installed and working elsewhere.
However, I'm not sure what to join together. A pic of the switch here:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
Always found lighting wiring, especially where multiple cables converge (3 in this case), baffling . . .
I'd like to remove a light switch and conceal the wiring within a stud partition wall. Necessary connections will be with Wagos, and the bundle enclosed in a Wago box. The circuit will then be controlled by another switch already installed and working elsewhere.Put the two green-yellow sleeved wires into a 2-way wago, if there's a
However, I'm not sure what to join together. A pic of the switch here:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
On 20/02/2025 04:12, RJH wrote:
I'd like to remove a light switch and conceal the wiring within a stud
partition wall. Necessary connections will be with Wagos, and the bundle
enclosed in a Wago box. The circuit will then be controlled by another switch
already installed and working elsewhere.
However, I'm not sure what to join together. A pic of the switch here:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
Always found lighting wiring, especially where multiple cables converge (3 in
this case), baffling . . .
Baffling, yes. Long ago an Irishman on a building site told me not to
worry if you don't really know what you're doing with electrics, just
fall back on a simple, logical, scientific method of trail and error.
On 20/02/2025 04:12, RJH wrote:
I'd like to remove a light switch and conceal the wiring within a stud
partition wall. Necessary connections will be with Wagos, and the bundle
enclosed in a Wago box. The circuit will then be controlled by another switch
already installed and working elsewhere.
However, I'm not sure what to join together. A pic of the switch here:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
Always found lighting wiring, especially where multiple cables converge (3 in
this case), baffling . . .
Currently how many switches control the light?
Your photo seems to show an intermediate switch but not wired for 3 off switches controlling one light. Have switches controlling this light
been removed in the past?
From memory, there's two leads terminated, not shown in the pic - a live and an earth.
RJH wrote:
I'd like to remove a light switch and conceal the wiring within a studPut the two green-yellow sleeved wires into a 2-way wago, if there's a
partition wall. Necessary connections will be with Wagos, and the bundle
enclosed in a Wago box. The circuit will then be controlled by another
switch
already installed and working elsewhere.
However, I'm not sure what to join together. A pic of the switch here:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
third earth just going to the terminal on the switchplate or backbox,
you will be removing that when you replace it with a wagobox?
Put the bottom/left red, the top/right red and the top/right black into
a 3-way way.
Put the top/left black into a 2-way wago just to keep it "parked" out
harm's way.
zip-tie the wagobox and done ...
I'd like to remove a light switch and conceal the wiring within a stud partition wall. Necessary connections will be with Wagos, and the bundle enclosed in a Wago box. The circuit will then be controlled by another switch already installed and working elsewhere.
However, I'm not sure what to join together. A pic of the switch here:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
Always found lighting wiring, especially where multiple cables converge (3 in this case), baffling . . .
On 20/02/2025 04:12, RJH wrote:
I'd like to remove a light switch and conceal the wiring within a stud
partition wall. Necessary connections will be with Wagos, and the bundle
enclosed in a Wago box. The circuit will then be controlled by another
switch
already installed and working elsewhere.
However, I'm not sure what to join together. A pic of the switch here:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
Always found lighting wiring, especially where multiple cables
converge (3 in
this case), baffling . . .
Hmmm, ok reading between the lines a bit here...
It looks like they have used an intermediate switch as two way switch.
(You can do that - you can think of an intermediate switch as a pair of single pole double throw (i.e. single pole changeover) switches with
both of their two outputs wired in parallel to the outputs, and their individual common terminals individually wired to the input terminals).
Probably like in the 4th diagram here: "Two way switching - 3 wire
control":
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technical/DataSheets/MK/WiringDiagrams.pdf
If that is the case, then you would join the red and black currently
sharing the top right terminal in one wago, and the join the other two
wires from the left hand side top and bottom together in another.
(a bigger picture photo might help)
On 2/20/25 12:44, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
There is no top right black.
There was in the photo I saw ...
Are we going to have an argument about if the dress is blue or gold?
The giveaway is the companion blue wire. (brown,blue vs red,black)
On 2/20/25 10:29, Andy Burns wrote:
RJH wrote:
I'd like to remove a light switch and conceal the wiring within a studPut the two green-yellow sleeved wires into a 2-way wago, if there's a
partition wall. Necessary connections will be with Wagos, and the bundle >>> enclosed in a Wago box. The circuit will then be controlled by
another switch
already installed and working elsewhere.
However, I'm not sure what to join together. A pic of the switch here:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
third earth just going to the terminal on the switchplate or backbox,
you will be removing that when you replace it with a wagobox?
Put the bottom/left red, the top/right red and the top/right black
into a 3-way way.
Put the top/left black into a 2-way wago just to keep it "parked" out
harm's way.
zip-tie the wagobox and done ...
There is no top right black.
WARNING: I know nothing about electrics!!!!
Assuming 2 Gang switch, only one side of which does anything, My guess
would be:
2 Wago Bottom Left Red, Top Left Black
2 Wago Top Left Brown, Top Left Red
2 Wago Off picture Black, Off picture Blue (I assume they already join
off picture.)
My advice would be top wait for someone who knows.
2 Wago Bottom Left Red, Top Left Black
2 Wago Top RIGHT Brown, Top RIGHT Red
2 Wago Off picture Black, Off picture Blue (I assume they already join)
Pancho wrote:
There is no top right black.
There was in the photo I saw ...
There is no top right black.
On 2/20/25 12:21, John Rumm wrote:
On 20/02/2025 04:12, RJH wrote:
I'd like to remove a light switch and conceal the wiring within a stud
partition wall. Necessary connections will be with Wagos, and the bundle >>> enclosed in a Wago box. The circuit will then be controlled by
another switch
already installed and working elsewhere.
However, I'm not sure what to join together. A pic of the switch here:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
Always found lighting wiring, especially where multiple cables
converge (3 in
this case), baffling . . .
Hmmm, ok reading between the lines a bit here...
It looks like they have used an intermediate switch as two way switch.
(You can do that - you can think of an intermediate switch as a pair
of single pole double throw (i.e. single pole changeover) switches
with both of their two outputs wired in parallel to the outputs, and
their individual common terminals individually wired to the input
terminals).
Probably like in the 4th diagram here: "Two way switching - 3 wire
control":
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technical/DataSheets/MK/WiringDiagrams.pdf
If that is the case, then you would join the red and black currently
sharing the top right terminal in one wago, and the join the other two
wires from the left hand side top and bottom together in another.
(a bigger picture photo might help)
My guess was that it wasn't two-way switching. Assuming this switch, and another switch located elsewhere
My guess was that both switches, this one and the one elsewhere, needed
to be on for the light to light up, like a logical AND rather than the standard two way XOR.
That is the same if it is double gang or double pole (which seems more plausible).
Easy for RJH to test.
Pancho wrote:
On 2/20/25 12:44, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
There is no top right black.
There was in the photo I saw ...
Are we going to have an argument about if the dress is blue or gold?
OK, the photo is so dingy the top/right BROWN looks black
The giveaway is the companion blue wire. (brown,blue vs red,black)
Yes, altogether a better photo required.
Pancho wrote:
On 2/20/25 12:44, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
There is no top right black.
There was in the photo I saw ...
Are we going to have an argument about if the dress is blue or gold?
OK, the photo is so dingy the top/right BROWN looks black
The giveaway is the companion blue wire. (brown,blue vs red,black)
Yes, altogether a better photo required.
My guess was that both switches, this one and the one elsewhere, needed
to be on for the light to light up, like a logical AND rather than the
standard two way XOR.
On 20 Feb 2025 at 13:49:58 GMT, John Rumm wrote:
My guess was that both switches, this one and the one elsewhere, needed
to be on for the light to light up, like a logical AND rather than the
standard two way XOR.
No - either controlled all of the lights. So you could have a switch in an 'on' position, and the lights could be off (IYSWIM)
It looks like a MK grid switch in a single faceplate frame - and it is
marked "inter" - so it is an intermediate switch. (although not sure
about the wiring to the bottom terminal - the placement of the wire
looks odd - however I have not used that particular grid switch, so
there may be a feature I am not aware of)
On 2/20/25 10:29, Andy Burns wrote:
RJH wrote:
I'd like to remove a light switch and conceal the wiring within a studPut the two green-yellow sleeved wires into a 2-way wago, if there's a
partition wall. Necessary connections will be with Wagos, and the bundle >>> enclosed in a Wago box. The circuit will then be controlled by
another switch
already installed and working elsewhere.
However, I'm not sure what to join together. A pic of the switch here:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
third earth just going to the terminal on the switchplate or backbox,
you will be removing that when you replace it with a wagobox?
Put the bottom/left red, the top/right red and the top/right black
into a 3-way way.
Put the top/left black into a 2-way wago just to keep it "parked" out
harm's way.
zip-tie the wagobox and done ...
There is no top right black.
WARNING: I know nothing about electrics!!!!
Assuming 2 Gang switch, only one side of which does anything, My guess
would be:
On 20 Feb 2025 at 13:00:43 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
On 2/20/25 12:44, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
There is no top right black.
There was in the photo I saw ...
Are we going to have an argument about if the dress is blue or gold?
OK, the photo is so dingy the top/right BROWN looks black
The giveaway is the companion blue wire. (brown,blue vs red,black)
Yes, altogether a better photo required.
On it!
On 20 Feb 2025 at 13:58:01 GMT, RJH wrote:
On 20 Feb 2025 at 13:00:43 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
On 2/20/25 12:44, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
There is no top right black.
There was in the photo I saw ...
Are we going to have an argument about if the dress is blue or gold?
OK, the photo is so dingy the top/right BROWN looks black
The giveaway is the companion blue wire. (brown,blue vs red,black)
Yes, altogether a better photo required.
On it!
He's sent me another pic - not sure if it helps:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
On 2025-02-21 10:38, RJH wrote:
On 20 Feb 2025 at 13:58:01 GMT, RJH wrote:
On 20 Feb 2025 at 13:00:43 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
On 2/20/25 12:44, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
There is no top right black.
There was in the photo I saw ...
Are we going to have an argument about if the dress is blue or gold?
OK, the photo is so dingy the top/right BROWN looks black
The giveaway is the companion blue wire. (brown,blue vs red,black)
Yes, altogether a better photo required.
On it!
He's sent me another pic - not sure if it helps:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
So it's wired to work as a single-pole changeover, with the lower,
single red pin 1 acting as the common, and the other side 1 and 2 acting
as the NO and NC.
The black to 1 and red to 2 at the top go to the NO and NC of the other
end changeover switch.
The red on the lower 1 goes to the common on the other end switch.
The brown on the upper 2 is the mains in.
The other black wire loops to the blue neutral of the mains in.
So at the other end the load is connected between the black on the upper
1 NO connection and the looped up neutral.
I think that works!
nib
The brown is the mains in.
The brown to 2 is the feed to the lamp or the mains power in, either is possible depending on which end the lamp is and which end the live feed
is taken.
nib
On 20 Feb 2025 at 13:58:01 GMT, RJH wrote:
On 20 Feb 2025 at 13:00:43 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
On 2/20/25 12:44, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
There is no top right black.
There was in the photo I saw ...
Are we going to have an argument about if the dress is blue or gold?
OK, the photo is so dingy the top/right BROWN looks black
The giveaway is the companion blue wire. (brown,blue vs red,black)
Yes, altogether a better photo required.
On it!
He's sent me another pic - not sure if it helps:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
On 2025-02-21 14:40, nib wrote:
On 2025-02-21 10:38, RJH wrote:
On 20 Feb 2025 at 13:58:01 GMT, RJH wrote:
On 20 Feb 2025 at 13:00:43 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
On 2/20/25 12:44, Andy Burns wrote:OK, the photo is so dingy the top/right BROWN looks black
Pancho wrote:
There is no top right black.
There was in the photo I saw ...
Are we going to have an argument about if the dress is blue or gold? >>>>>
The giveaway is the companion blue wire. (brown,blue vs red,black)
Yes, altogether a better photo required.
On it!
He's sent me another pic - not sure if it helps:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
So it's wired to work as a single-pole changeover, with the lower,
single red pin 1 acting as the common, and the other side 1 and 2 acting
as the NO and NC.
The black to 1 and red to 2 at the top go to the NO and NC of the other
end changeover switch.
The red on the lower 1 goes to the common on the other end switch.
The brown on the upper 2 is the mains in.
The other black wire loops to the blue neutral of the mains in.
So at the other end the load is connected between the black on the upper
1 NO connection and the looped up neutral.
I think that works!
nib
The brown is the mains in.
The brown to 2 is the feed to the lamp or the mains power in, either is
possible depending on which end the lamp is and which end the live feed
is taken.
nib
Like this (apols for the rotation!)?
nib
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jWkpzI6zVGrdYQwsCPdWMWH6cedjfUOd/view?usp=sharing
On 21 Feb 2025 at 14:53:15 GMT, nib wrote:
On 2025-02-21 14:40, nib wrote:
On 2025-02-21 10:38, RJH wrote:
On 20 Feb 2025 at 13:58:01 GMT, RJH wrote:
On 20 Feb 2025 at 13:00:43 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:
Pancho wrote:
On 2/20/25 12:44, Andy Burns wrote:OK, the photo is so dingy the top/right BROWN looks black
Pancho wrote:
There is no top right black.
There was in the photo I saw ...
Are we going to have an argument about if the dress is blue or gold? >>>>>>
The giveaway is the companion blue wire. (brown,blue vs red,black) >>>>>>Yes, altogether a better photo required.
On it!
He's sent me another pic - not sure if it helps:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1mGDZLe8GVFWi4
So it's wired to work as a single-pole changeover, with the lower,
single red pin 1 acting as the common, and the other side 1 and 2 acting >>> as the NO and NC.
The black to 1 and red to 2 at the top go to the NO and NC of the other
end changeover switch.
The red on the lower 1 goes to the common on the other end switch.
The brown on the upper 2 is the mains in.
The other black wire loops to the blue neutral of the mains in.
So at the other end the load is connected between the black on the upper >>> 1 NO connection and the looped up neutral.
I think that works!
nib
The brown is the mains in.
The brown to 2 is the feed to the lamp or the mains power in, either is
possible depending on which end the lamp is and which end the live feed
is taken.
nib
Like this (apols for the rotation!)?
nib
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jWkpzI6zVGrdYQwsCPdWMWH6cedjfUOd/view?usp=sharing
Thanks for that - excellent. I'll have a closer look at the circuit.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jWkpzI6zVGrdYQwsCPdWMWH6cedjfUOd/view?usp=sharing
Thanks for that - excellent. I'll have a closer look at the circuit.
To clarify, the diagram shows one possibility. Another, as I said above,
is that where I've shown mains in could be the lamp and where I've shown
the lamp could be the mains in.
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