I am thinking about upgrading my bathroom to make it more usable. Since I
moved here I have found the bath a bit of a squeeze and the shower the
same so I thought I'd look for a standard size bath or bath/shower.

I discovered that the bath is a standard 1700x700, it is not the bath that
is under sized :-(

Any views/comments about combined bath/shower? There seems a very wide
choice including the walk in type which I should probably think about,
knowing what to avoid would be useful.

Off to look at diets...

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On 02/03/2025 10:21, Jeff Gaines wrote:

I am thinking about upgrading my bathroom to make it more usable. Since
I moved here I have found the bath a bit of a squeeze and the shower the
same so I thought I'd look for a standard size bath or bath/shower.

I discovered that the bath is a standard 1700x700, it is not the bath
that is under sized :-(

Any views/comments about combined bath/shower? There seems a very wide
choice including the walk in type which I should probably think about, knowing what to avoid would be useful.

Off to look at diets...

Although you may find that 1700x700 is a standard size external
dimension the inside dimension of the tub may be different - a few tens
of mm may make a big difference.

My experience of getting older is that getting out of the bath is more difficult, especially now that I have a minor shoulder problem.

If I was remodelling my bathroom I would do away with the bath and just
have a shower. Currently I have a shower at the end of the bath and as I
get older I can see just stepping over the side of the bath to stand
under the shower is going to become more difficult.

When remodelling a bathroom consider you needs in 10 year's time and not
just now, especially if you are in the older age group.

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Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

I am thinking about upgrading my bathroom to make it more usable. Since I moved here I have found the bath a bit of a squeeze and the shower the
same so I thought I'd look for a standard size bath or bath/shower.

I discovered that the bath is a standard 1700x700, it is not the bath that
is under sized :-(

Any views/comments about combined bath/shower? There seems a very wide
choice including the walk in type which I should probably think about, knowing what to avoid would be useful.

Off to look at diets...

It may be an age thing but for me baths with showers do not work. Shower curtains or movable screens always seem to find a way to leak water and generally look naff and untidy when not in use. A fixed screen can prevent water egress but then makes getting in and particularly out difficult.
When you do eventually manage to haul yourself over the edge for a shower
you find yourself standing on a narrow almost flat surface with little possibility to move your feet because of the curvature of the tub.

We put up with bath/showers in a number of houses until we refurbished the bathroom in our last house taking out the bath and having a shower cubicle
and this was when we were in out 50’s and never looked back

In the bungalow we have done the same. We have fitted a walk-in shower with
a low profile tray and it is a joy to use. Like you the bath was 1700 X
700but that was right up to the brickwork with the original plastering
running up to the bath rim. We fitted a 1600 X 800 tray this gives us a
flat surface to stand on allows movement without elbowing walls screens or curtains and if necessary the ability to step out of the shower spray.

Richard

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On 02/03/2025 10:21, Jeff Gaines wrote:

I am thinking about upgrading my bathroom to make it more usable. Since
I moved here I have found the bath a bit of a squeeze and the shower the
same so I thought I'd look for a standard size bath or bath/shower.

I discovered that the bath is a standard 1700x700, it is not the bath
that is under sized :-(

Any views/comments about combined bath/shower?

As with most "combination" things they are (IME) usually somewhat of a compromise. Having said that I did use one for my last mega bathroom
build on the grounds that it was a very "difficult" shaped room[2], and
there was no workable design I could come up with that included a
separate shower and bath.

There was also the thought train that this was the "family" bathroom and
not our on-suite which was going to have a decent sized shower (1,100 by
900mm) and a separate bath. There is also another shower downstairs - So
I was anticipating it would be mainly used by the "kids" rather than
more "mature" folks.

I found a combi that had a decent sized "wide" end with a mostly flat surface[1]. The compromise is that it is a fairly shallow (read
"standard") bath so perhaps less well suited for those that like a
decent soak without too many bits flopping about in the cold air rather
than the water. On the plus side that makes it a fairly easy "step in".

There seems a very wide
choice including the walk in type which I should probably think about, knowing what to avoid would be useful.

Off to look at diets...

[1] https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:BagpipeCornerShowerBath.jpg

[2] Vaulted ceilings and some space "stolen" by the adjacent en-suit.

https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:BathroomsPlanLayout.png

The full (rather long) build description here:

https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/The_secret_diary_of_a_bathroom_refurbishment

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On 02/03/2025 11:16, alan_m wrote:

On 02/03/2025 10:21, Jeff Gaines wrote:

I am thinking about upgrading my bathroom to make it more usable.
Since I moved here I have found the bath a bit of a squeeze and the
shower the same so I thought I'd look for a standard size bath or
bath/shower.

I discovered that the bath is a standard 1700x700, it is not the bath
that is under sized :-(

Any views/comments about combined bath/shower? There seems a very wide
choice including the walk in type which I should probably think about,
knowing what to avoid would be useful.

Off to look at diets...

Although you may find that 1700x700 is a standard size external
dimension the inside dimension of the tub may be different - a few tens
of mm may make a big difference.

My experience of getting older is that getting out of the bath is more difficult, especially now that I have a minor shoulder problem.

If I was remodelling my bathroom I would do away with the bath and just
have a shower. Currently I have a shower at the end of the bath and as I
get older I can see just stepping over the side of the bath to stand
under the shower is going to become more difficult.

When remodelling a bathroom consider you needs in 10 year's time and not
just now, especially if you are in the older age group.

That's exactly why we took out the bath (with shower over it) and
replaced it with a shower with a tray that projects just over an inch
above the floor tiles. My wife (with both osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis) was finding stepping over the side of the bath harder and
harder and really struggling to get up at all if she used it for a bath
rather than a shower.

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On 02/03/2025 in message <vq2n9d$vmf1$4@dont-email.me> SteveW wrote:

When remodelling a bathroom consider you needs in 10 year's time and not >>just now, especially if you are in the older age group.

That's exactly why we took out the bath (with shower over it) and replaced
it with a shower with a tray that projects just over an inch above the
floor tiles. My wife (with both osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis)
was finding stepping over the side of the bath harder and harder and
really struggling to get up at all if she used it for a bath rather than a >shower.

I think that is what I may do. I slipped getting out of the bath a couple
of weeks ago and whacked my elbow on the side of the bath, helped my
tendonitis no end :-(

Thanks for all the replies, I have room for a decent sized shower
enclosure if the bath comes out, whether or not I can get one in avocado
to match the suite...

--
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The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil but by those who
watch them without doing anything. (Albert Einstein)

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On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 22:49:11 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

On 02/03/2025 11:16, alan_m wrote:

On 02/03/2025 10:21, Jeff Gaines wrote:

I am thinking about upgrading my bathroom to make it more usable.
Since I moved here I have found the bath a bit of a squeeze and the
shower the same so I thought I'd look for a standard size bath or
bath/shower.

I discovered that the bath is a standard 1700x700, it is not the bath
that is under sized :-(

Any views/comments about combined bath/shower? There seems a very wide
choice including the walk in type which I should probably think about,
knowing what to avoid would be useful.

Off to look at diets...

Although you may find that 1700x700 is a standard size external
dimension the inside dimension of the tub may be different - a few tens
of mm may make a big difference.

My experience of getting older is that getting out of the bath is more
difficult, especially now that I have a minor shoulder problem.

If I was remodelling my bathroom I would do away with the bath and just
have a shower. Currently I have a shower at the end of the bath and as I
get older I can see just stepping over the side of the bath to stand
under the shower is going to become more difficult.

When remodelling a bathroom consider you needs in 10 year's time and not
just now, especially if you are in the older age group.

That's exactly why we took out the bath (with shower over it) and
replaced it with a shower with a tray that projects just over an inch
above the floor tiles. My wife (with both osteoarthritis and rheumatoid >arthritis) was finding stepping over the side of the bath harder and
harder and really struggling to get up at all if she used it for a bath >rather than a shower.

+1

We had that done for my elderly mother, who suffered from arthritis
and had difficulty getting in and out of the bath, and only took
showers anyway. Wet baths tend to be slippery, and the whole thing was
just an accident waiting to happen.

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On 03/03/2025 08:55, Jeff Gaines wrote:

Thanks for all the replies, I have room for a decent sized shower
enclosure if the bath comes out, whether or not I can get one in avocado
to match the suite...

Is it avocado or baby sick or baby poo colour?

Bite the bullet and replace all with white. You know you will not regret it.

If you do replace don't go for modern designer toilets, don't go for
toilets with square seats. Go for a traditional style toilet and check
any reviews for poor flushing.

I've had a square continental style toilet with an internal shelf at the
front. You tend to always poo on the shelf and _always_ need a brush to
clean up after a flush. You can get splash back when peeing. The square
shape means that you cannot easily straddle the bowl to direct the pee
further back. Square seats tend to be unique to the manufacturer and
even a modest priced toilet requires you to re-mortgage your house for a replacement seat :)

As regards flushing I've seen some bad examples out in the wild.



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alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

If I was remodelling my bathroom I would do away with the bath and just
have a shower. Currently I have a shower at the end of the bath and as I
get older I can see just stepping over the side of the bath to stand
under the shower is going to become more difficult.

When remodelling a bathroom consider you needs in 10 year's time and not
just now, especially if you are in the older age group.

Something I've pondered for a bathroom refurb is to go full flat floor
sealed wet room - and then put a bath in it. The thinking being that the
use cases may prefer a bath at present, but it just takes one unfortunate mishap and a family member may need a wet room. If some misfortune were to occur, it's better that it be a half day job to whip out the bath and turn
it into a wet room shower, than it would be to try to manage a full bathroom remodel while also having to deal with the healthcare needs of the family member. This is particularly critical if you only have one bathroom,
because trying to remodel while having no facilities is difficult at the
best of times. It could also come in handy as a temporary measure should somebody have the kind of surgery which prevents use of a bath for some
months.

Currently have both a (high-step) shower cubicle and a bath, and wondering
how to neatly fit a walk-in wet room shower and a bath in the same space.

Depending on the type of house, a bath may be attractive to buyers with
small children, which is something to think about if you are likely to move
at any point. But a wet room may be more attractive to those with declining mobility. It would be nice to be able to have both.

Theo

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On 03/03/2025 19:24, Theo wrote:

alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

If I was remodelling my bathroom I would do away with the bath and just
have a shower. Currently I have a shower at the end of the bath and as I
get older I can see just stepping over the side of the bath to stand
under the shower is going to become more difficult.

When remodelling a bathroom consider you needs in 10 year's time and not
just now, especially if you are in the older age group.

Something I've pondered for a bathroom refurb is to go full flat floor
sealed wet room - and then put a bath in it. The thinking being that the
use cases may prefer a bath at present, but it just takes one unfortunate mishap and a family member may need a wet room. If some misfortune were to occur, it's better that it be a half day job to whip out the bath and turn
it into a wet room shower, than it would be to try to manage a full bathroom remodel while also having to deal with the healthcare needs of the family member. This is particularly critical if you only have one bathroom,
because trying to remodel while having no facilities is difficult at the
best of times. It could also come in handy as a temporary measure should somebody have the kind of surgery which prevents use of a bath for some months.

Currently have both a (high-step) shower cubicle and a bath, and wondering how to neatly fit a walk-in wet room shower and a bath in the same space.

Depending on the type of house, a bath may be attractive to buyers with
small children, which is something to think about if you are likely to move at any point. But a wet room may be more attractive to those with declining mobility. It would be nice to be able to have both.

I hit an issue with a tiled floor shower. The waste is a long collector
below a metal grill. The problem is the very shallow waste trap can be
sucked dry by flushing the toilet (yes I do have an air inlet valve in
the stubby stack). This allows sewer smells into the room...

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On 03/03/2025 21:28, Timatmarford wrote:

I hit an issue with a tiled floor shower. The waste is a long collector
below a metal grill. The problem is the very shallow waste trap can be
sucked dry by flushing the toilet (yes I do have an air inlet valve in
the stubby stack). This allows sewer smells into the room...

Thats not a problem with a tiled floor per se, its a problem with the installation.
In my case its not the tiled showers that have the issue, but the toilet
and bath.


--
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Mark Twain

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On 04/03/2025 09:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 03/03/2025 21:28, Timatmarford wrote:

I hit an issue with a tiled floor shower. The waste is a long
collector below a metal grill. The problem is the very shallow waste
trap can be sucked dry by flushing the toilet (yes I do have an air
inlet valve in the stubby stack). This allows sewer smells into the
room...

Thats not a problem with a tiled floor per se, its a problem with the installation.

Indeed. Sadly, by the time the fault was discovered, the room was
floored with nicely grouted tiles. My mistake was not realising that
such a shallow trap might be risky:-(

One good thing came out of this. I discovered that fitting 12" square
tiles in a diagonal pattern made sloping the floor to the outlet
do-able. Before anyone suggests fitting a flap valve in the outlet pipe,
I should say it is buried in screed.

The original purpose was to prepare for wheelchair access. Seven years
on, I am still walking...

In my case its not the tiled showers that have the issue, but the toilet
 and bath.

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On 04/03/2025 11:27, Timatmarford wrote:

On 04/03/2025 09:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 03/03/2025 21:28, Timatmarford wrote:

I hit an issue with a tiled floor shower. The waste is a long
collector below a metal grill. The problem is the very shallow waste
trap can be sucked dry by flushing the toilet (yes I do have an air
inlet valve in the stubby stack). This allows sewer smells into the
room...

Thats not a problem with a tiled floor per se, its a problem with the
installation.

Indeed. Sadly, by the time the fault was discovered, the room was
floored with nicely grouted tiles. My mistake was not realising that
such a shallow trap might be risky:-(

One good thing came out of this. I discovered that fitting 12" square
tiles in a diagonal pattern made sloping the floor to the outlet
do-able. Before anyone suggests fitting a flap valve in the outlet pipe,
I should say it is buried in screed.

The original purpose was to prepare for wheelchair access. Seven years
on, I am still walking...

Yup. Same here. One shower was for washing muddy dogs. That works fine. Another was walk in for the 'granny flat'.
In the granny flat the bath is very low and down at floor level - that's
the trap that sucks.

And due to lack of use that toilet in there and the one upstairs in the
main bathroom often dry out enough to pong. I just flush them and hope

In my case its not the tiled showers that have the issue, but the
toilet   and bath.

--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

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On 04/03/2025 19:50, Theo wrote:

Timatmarford <tim@demon.co.uk> wrote:

I hit an issue with a tiled floor shower. The waste is a long collector
below a metal grill. The problem is the very shallow waste trap can be
sucked dry by flushing the toilet (yes I do have an air inlet valve in
the stubby stack). This allows sewer smells into the room...

I understand the long collector type is problematic because the ends away from the outlet tend to have slack water which collects slime. I'd probably go for a central circular trap. Not sure that avoids the suction problem.

You could back up the water trap with a flap type non return valve.
Another point is that perhaps you could test the toilet flush effect
before tiling etc. Bear in mind the waste suction effect varies with the
amount of waste/toilet paper used and some housewives use this route to
dispose of cooking mistakes:-)

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Timatmarford <tim@demon.co.uk> wrote:

I hit an issue with a tiled floor shower. The waste is a long collector
below a metal grill. The problem is the very shallow waste trap can be
sucked dry by flushing the toilet (yes I do have an air inlet valve in
the stubby stack). This allows sewer smells into the room...

I understand the long collector type is problematic because the ends away
from the outlet tend to have slack water which collects slime. I'd probably
go for a central circular trap. Not sure that avoids the suction problem.

Theo

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On 04/03/2025 19:50, Theo wrote:

Timatmarford <tim@demon.co.uk> wrote:

I hit an issue with a tiled floor shower. The waste is a long collector
below a metal grill. The problem is the very shallow waste trap can be
sucked dry by flushing the toilet (yes I do have an air inlet valve in
the stubby stack). This allows sewer smells into the room...

I understand the long collector type is problematic because the ends away from the outlet tend to have slack water which collects slime. I'd probably go for a central circular trap. Not sure that avoids the suction problem.

it doesnt

Theo

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On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 11:16:09 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

On 02/03/2025 10:21, Jeff Gaines wrote:

I am thinking about upgrading my bathroom to make it more usable. Since
I moved here I have found the bath a bit of a squeeze and the shower the
same so I thought I'd look for a standard size bath or bath/shower.

I discovered that the bath is a standard 1700x700, it is not the bath
that is under sized :-(

Any views/comments about combined bath/shower? There seems a very wide
choice including the walk in type which I should probably think about,
knowing what to avoid would be useful.

Off to look at diets...

Although you may find that 1700x700 is a standard size external
dimension the inside dimension of the tub may be different - a few tens
of mm may make a big difference.

My experience of getting older is that getting out of the bath is more >difficult, especially now that I have a minor shoulder problem.

If I was remodelling my bathroom I would do away with the bath and just
have a shower. Currently I have a shower at the end of the bath and as I
get older I can see just stepping over the side of the bath to stand
under the shower is going to become more difficult.

When remodelling a bathroom consider you needs in 10 year's time and not
just now, especially if you are in the older age group.

We're investigating having our bathroom redone. One of my small
luxuries in old age is to soak in a very full and very hot bath a
couple of times a year. Getting out is an issue to be addressed, or,
is it just too an expensive treat?


--
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Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 11:16:09 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.c

We're investigating having our bathroom redone. One of my small
luxuries in old age is to soak in a very full and very hot bath a
couple of times a year. Getting out is an issue to be addressed, or,
is it just too an expensive treat?

I think for a couple of times a year I would join a local spa especially
if they had a sauna and a plunge pool. At least there you would have
staff on hand if you had a problem.

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On 05/03/2025 12:15, AnthonyL wrote:

We're investigating having our bathroom redone. One of my small
luxuries in old age is to soak in a very full and very hot bath a
couple of times a year. Getting out is an issue to be addressed, or,
is it just too an expensive treat?

<https://www.completecareshop.co.uk/bathroom-aids/bath-lifts-hoists/bath-lifts> <https://www.careco.co.uk/bathroom/bath-lifts/>
etc.

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On 03/03/2025 09:54, alan_m wrote:

I've had a square continental style toilet with an internal shelf at the front. You tend to always poo on the shelf and _always_ need a brush to
clean up after a flush.

The Germans love to scrutinise their poo, but it means that they pick up
on bowel cancer sooner, and the mortality rate is significantly lower as
a result.

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On 05/03/2025 20:54, GB wrote:

On 03/03/2025 09:54, alan_m wrote:

I've had a square continental style toilet with an internal shelf at
the front. You tend to always poo on the shelf and _always_ need a
brush to clean up after a flush.

The Germans love to scrutinise their poo, but it means that they pick up
on bowel cancer sooner, and the mortality rate is significantly lower as
a result.

I'm of an age where I get bowel cancer tests every two years.

I'm not sure that examining poo with a standard eyeball is necessarily
going to detect bowel cancer unless it's in the latter stages.

Symptoms such as looser stools, constipation, diarrhoea or having to use
the toilet more etc. don't need an examining shelf.

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On 05/03/2025 21:35, alan_m wrote:

On 05/03/2025 20:54, GB wrote:

On 03/03/2025 09:54, alan_m wrote:

I've had a square continental style toilet with an internal shelf at
the front. You tend to always poo on the shelf and _always_ need a
brush to clean up after a flush.

The Germans love to scrutinise their poo, but it means that they pick
up on bowel cancer sooner, and the mortality rate is significantly
lower as a result.

I'm of an age where I get bowel cancer tests every two years.

I'm not sure that examining poo with a standard eyeball is necessarily
going to detect bowel cancer unless it's in the latter stages.

Symptoms such as looser stools, constipation, diarrhoea or having to use
the toilet more etc. don't need an examining shelf.

I've had a large chunk of bowel removed because of growths which
fortunately turned out to be pre-cancerous. Apart from having a large
scar, I can't say it's been a major problem, but I am glad it got picked
up in time.

I don't have a continental toilet, but it might be a good idea.

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On Wed, 05 Mar 2025 21:35:50 +0000, alan_m wrote:

I'm of an age where I get bowel cancer tests every two years.

I'm not sure that examining poo with a standard eyeball is necessarily
going to detect bowel cancer unless it's in the latter stages.

I thought Germans did that because of worms from pork.

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In article <m2rudmF9paU1@mid.individual.net>,
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 05/03/2025 20:54, GB wrote:

On 03/03/2025 09:54, alan_m wrote:

I've had a square continental style toilet with an internal shelf at
the front. You tend to always poo on the shelf and _always_ need a
brush to clean up after a flush.

The Germans love to scrutinise their poo, but it means that they pick up
on bowel cancer sooner, and the mortality rate is significantly lower as
a result.

I'm of an age where I get bowel cancer tests every two years.

I'm not sure that examining poo with a standard eyeball is necessarily
going to detect bowel cancer unless it's in the latter stages.

I always understood, the shelf was to look for worms.

Symptoms such as looser stools, constipation, diarrhoea or having to use
the toilet more etc. don't need an examining shelf.

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GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

On 05/03/2025 21:35, alan_m wrote:

On 05/03/2025 20:54, GB wrote:

On 03/03/2025 09:54, alan_m wrote:

I've had a square continental style toilet with an internal shelf at
the front. You tend to always poo on the shelf and _always_ need a
brush to clean up after a flush.

The Germans love to scrutinise their poo, but it means that they pick
up on bowel cancer sooner, and the mortality rate is significantly
lower as a result.

I'm of an age where I get bowel cancer tests every two years.

I'm not sure that examining poo with a standard eyeball is necessarily
going to detect bowel cancer unless it's in the latter stages.

Symptoms such as looser stools, constipation, diarrhoea or having to use
the toilet more etc. don't need an examining shelf.

I've had a large chunk of bowel removed because of growths which
fortunately turned out to be pre-cancerous. Apart from having a large
scar, I can't say it's been a major problem, but I am glad it got picked
up in time.

I don't have a continental toilet, but it might be a good idea.

You really don’t want one. Have turds sticking up iceberg style above the water makes for a very stinky loo.

Tim

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On 05/03/2025 21:35, alan_m wrote:

On 05/03/2025 20:54, GB wrote:

On 03/03/2025 09:54, alan_m wrote:

I've had a square continental style toilet with an internal shelf at
the front. You tend to always poo on the shelf and _always_ need a
brush to clean up after a flush.

The Germans love to scrutinise their poo, but it means that they pick
up on bowel cancer sooner, and the mortality rate is significantly
lower as a result.

I'm of an age where I get bowel cancer tests every two years.

I'm not sure that examining poo with a standard eyeball is necessarily
going to detect bowel cancer unless it's in the latter stages.

Symptoms such as looser stools, constipation, diarrhoea or having to use
the toilet more etc. don't need an examining shelf.

Germans like their pork. I thought that they were obsessed with
detecting tape worms, which are more dangerous from undercooked
pork -

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001391.htm

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On 02/03/2025 10:21, Jeff Gaines wrote:

I am thinking about upgrading my bathroom to make it more usable. Since
I moved here I have found the bath a bit of a squeeze and the shower the
same so I thought I'd look for a standard size bath or bath/shower.

I discovered that the bath is a standard 1700x700, it is not the bath
that is under sized :-(

Any views/comments about combined bath/shower? There seems a very wide
choice including the walk in type which I should probably think about, knowing what to avoid would be useful.

Off to look at diets...

We had a walk in shower installed to replace the bath in our downstairs bathroom. It's great.

The upstairs bathroom has a short bath. The only time I ever used it was
while we had the downstairs one redone. I couldn't wash my knees, but
apart from that it was fine!

(When we bought the house there was no upstairs bathroom at all.
Sacrificing a tiny room for an upstairs toilet was a great move!)

Andy

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Ghandi.

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