• Re: How to buy a kitchen knife?

    From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Clive Page on Fri Mar 7 19:14:24 2025
    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:

    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well.     Does anyone have any ideas?

    Amazon doesn't seem to have any shortage, though I'd expect you might
    need to provide ID on delivery.

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  • From Clive Page@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 7 19:04:39 2025
    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a
    replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen
    knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well. Does anyone have any ideas?


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  • From tim+@21:1/5 to Clive Page on Fri Mar 7 19:32:16 2025
    Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> Wrote in message:r
    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and
    from online sources as well. Does anyone have any ideas?-- Clive Page

    I favour old fashioned carbon steel. Stains easily but a doodle to
    put a fresh edge on.

    https://www.opinel.com/en/kitchen/paring-knives/set-2-paring-knive s-n102-carbon

    Tim
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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Clive Page on Fri Mar 7 21:16:01 2025
    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well.     Does anyone have any ideas?




    Not so. Kitchen knives are on sale everywhere - just look at the range
    in Argos for instance. You cannot buy them if you are underage, or look underage (proof of age may be required).

    I believe what has been banned from general sale is Zombie or fantasy
    knives (knives used in Si-Fi TV series, computer games, films, blades
    over a certain size etc.)

    You just have to decide on what type of kitchen knife you want. 30+
    years ago I went for some expensive Japanese one piece all steel knives
    and I'm still using these today. For this type of knife you may need to
    find specialised on-line seller.
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  • From Clive Page@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 7 21:48:58 2025
    On 07/03/2025 21:16, alan_m wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a
    replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary
    kitchen knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from
    online sources as well.     Does anyone have any ideas?




    Not so. Kitchen knives are on sale everywhere - just look at the range
    in Argos for instance.  You cannot buy them if you are underage, or look underage (proof of age may be required).

    I believe what has been banned from general sale is Zombie or fantasy
    knives (knives used in Si-Fi TV series, computer games, films, blades
    over a certain size etc.)

    You just have to decide on what type of kitchen knife you want. 30+
    years ago I went for some expensive Japanese one piece all steel knives
    and I'm still using these today.  For this type of knife you may need to find  specialised on-line seller.

    Well I tried a fairly large Tescos and they had taken them off display
    so you had to ask at the enquiry desk. The only one they could find was
    larger than we wanted and cost more than expected, so I assumed other supermarkets would be similar. We've used Dunelm before for kitchen
    utensils but now they had only large knives on the shelves (and there
    you had to take a voucher to the cash desk for any knife).

    I hadn't thought of Argos but just looked: I can't find an individual
    knife for sale, all they have is 5 or 6-piece sets which includes a lot
    of stuff I don't want for a rather higher price. May have to use Amazon
    I suppose. Thanks for the suggestions.


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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Clive Page on Fri Mar 7 22:24:46 2025
    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well. Does anyone have any ideas?

    Is there John Lewis locally? See here: <https://www.johnlewis.com/browse/home-garden/food-preparation/kitchen-knives/_/N-dsx#intcmp=ic_20241022_foodprepkitchenknives_cp_hom_a_aw>
    Lots of single knives there.

    Also, is there a kitchenware shop within a reasonable distance. If so,
    they will sell single knives.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Clive Page on Fri Mar 7 22:46:34 2025
    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well.     Does anyone have any ideas?


    https://www.procook.co.uk/shop/knives-scissors/
    This company is a good balance between supermarket shite and overpriced
    'brand' names

    They have many stores around the place. If you have never been, they are
    worth visiting

    https://www.procook.co.uk/stores
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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Fri Mar 7 22:42:03 2025
    On 07/03/2025 22:24, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a
    replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen
    knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well.     Does anyone have any ideas?

    Is there John Lewis locally? See here: <https://www.johnlewis.com/browse/home-garden/food-preparation/kitchen- knives/_/N-dsx#intcmp=ic_20241022_foodprepkitchenknives_cp_hom_a_aw>
    Lots of single knives there.

    Also, is there a kitchenware shop within a reasonable distance. If so,
    they will sell single knives.

    Hart of Stur always have a large range on offer - though not the
    cheapest prices.

    https://www.hartsofstur.com/food-preparation-storage/knives-cutting/kitchen-knives.html

    Come up with 749 items.

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  • From fred@21:1/5 to Clive Page on Fri Mar 7 22:50:21 2025
    Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> wrote in news:m30ua6Fnao8U1
    @mid.individual.net:

    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well. Does anyone have any ideas?


    Lidl had a range of all stainless knives in a couple of weeks ago at a very reasonable 4.99 per large knife or for a pair of smaller paring/vegetable knives. You may be able to still find stock.

    Both they an Aldi have had soem very nice kitchen knives in the past my favourites branded Richardsons of Sheffield which sell for far higher
    prices online.

    Single piece blade and bolster forged together prefered.

    I'd avoid ceramic or coated blades, potentially short lived and gimicky.

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  • From David Wade@21:1/5 to Clive Page on Sat Mar 8 08:56:35 2025
    On 07/03/2025 22:48, Clive Page wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 21:16, alan_m wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a
    replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary
    kitchen knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from
    online sources as well.     Does anyone have any ideas?



    I don't think its the law. We were looking for some replacements in
    Spain and here the selection was equally sparse.




    Not so. Kitchen knives are on sale everywhere - just look at the range
    in Argos for instance.  You cannot buy them if you are underage, or
    look underage (proof of age may be required).

    I believe what has been banned from general sale is Zombie or fantasy
    knives (knives used in Si-Fi TV series, computer games, films, blades
    over a certain size etc.)

    You just have to decide on what type of kitchen knife you want. 30+
    years ago I went for some expensive Japanese one piece all steel
    knives and I'm still using these today.  For this type of knife you
    may need to find  specialised on-line seller.

    Well I tried a fairly large Tescos and they had taken them off display
    so you had to ask at the enquiry desk.  The only one they could find was larger than we wanted and cost more than expected, so I assumed other supermarkets would be similar.   We've used Dunelm before for kitchen utensils but now they had only large knives on the shelves (and there
    you had to take a voucher to the cash desk for any knife).


    which is odd because its the large knives that are banned. I also
    suspect that some of this "coupon" stuff is to prevent shop lifters.
    Knives are expensive, easily stolen, and are probably easy to sell on
    the "black market". Sainsburys seem to list this :-

    https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/kitchen-devils-small-asian-cooks-knife

    which might suffice..

    I hadn't thought of Argos but just looked: I can't find an individual
    knife for sale, all they have is 5 or 6-piece sets which includes a lot
    of stuff I don't want for a rather higher price. May have to use Amazon
    I suppose.   Thanks for the suggestions.



    I think because most Argus stores are in Sainsburys shops so the single
    knives are there..
    ... the last one I bought was in a kind of touristy place, I think in Bourton-on-the-water when we were in the Cotswolds.

    .. which brought to mind "Lakeland" who have this....

    https://www.lakeland.co.uk/72888/lakeland-select-grip-japanese-steel-paring-knife-9cm-blade

    .. hope you get sorted

    Dave

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to David Wade on Sat Mar 8 08:12:26 2025
    David Wade wrote:

    Clive Page wrote:

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary
    kitchen knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from
    online sources as well.     Does anyone have any ideas?

    I don't think its the law.
    I don't think so yet (no legislation including the word 'knife' this
    year) but it seems like the intention ...

    <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg85lkpz0zo>

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  • From nib@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Mar 8 09:08:44 2025
    On 2025-03-07 22:24, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a
    replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen
    knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well.     Does anyone have any ideas?

    Is there John Lewis locally? See here: <https://www.johnlewis.com/browse/home-garden/food-preparation/kitchen- knives/_/N-dsx#intcmp=ic_20241022_foodprepkitchenknives_cp_hom_a_aw>
    Lots of single knives there.

    Also, is there a kitchenware shop within a reasonable distance. If so,
    they will sell single knives.


    Yes, noticed when I was looking for cutlery recently, that in the local
    John Lewis all of the non-table knives were in a separate glass cabinet
    in the kitchenware area.

    nib

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to David Wade on Sat Mar 8 08:17:21 2025
    On 08/03/2025 07:56, David Wade wrote:


    which is odd because its the large knives that are banned.

    Large kitchen knives are not banned.




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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Mar 8 10:21:15 2025
    On Fri, 07 Mar 2025 22:24:46 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    Is there John Lewis locally?

    "Do you sell filleting knives ?"
    "What are they then ?"

    John Lewis, Tamworth, 2019.

    "Do you sell filleting knives ?"
    <Assistant spends 2-3 minutes looking up and down the display>
    "Do you know who makes them ?"

    John Lewis, Grand Central, Birmingham, 2019.

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to nib on Sat Mar 8 10:24:16 2025
    On Sat, 08 Mar 2025 09:08:44 +0000, nib wrote:

    On 2025-03-07 22:24, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a
    replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary
    kitchen knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from
    online sources as well.     Does anyone have any ideas?

    Is there John Lewis locally? See here:
    <https://www.johnlewis.com/browse/home-garden/food-preparation/kitchen-
    knives/_/N-dsx#intcmp=ic_20241022_foodprepkitchenknives_cp_hom_a_aw>
    Lots of single knives there.

    Also, is there a kitchenware shop within a reasonable distance. If so,
    they will sell single knives.


    Yes, noticed when I was looking for cutlery recently, that in the local
    John Lewis all of the non-table knives were in a separate glass cabinet
    in the kitchenware area.

    John Lewis managed to really piss me off when, after perusing about 20
    £300+ bean2cup coffee machines, they didn't sell milk thermometers (the
    use of which was shown on one of the cards) or a frothing jug.
    Demonstrated clearly that they weren't serious about selling.

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Clive Page on Sat Mar 8 10:18:58 2025
    On Fri, 07 Mar 2025 21:48:58 +0000, Clive Page wrote:

    On 07/03/2025 21:16, alan_m wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    Well I tried a fairly large Tescos and they had taken them off display
    so you had to ask at the enquiry desk.

    Generally, all supermarkets and other outlets have the same limited
    ranges. Admittedly in any colour you like. It seems colour coordination
    is more important than functionality.

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  • From Nick Odell@21:1/5 to Clive Page on Sat Mar 8 11:14:55 2025
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 19:04:39 +0000, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> wrote:

    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a >replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen >knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well. Does anyone have any ideas?

    Our local old-fashioned town ironmonger stocks an assortment of
    knives. And so do the ironmongers in the two adjacent towns.

    Nick

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 8 10:17:34 2025
    On Fri, 07 Mar 2025 21:16:01 +0000, alan_m wrote:

    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    [quoted text muted]


    Not so. Kitchen knives are on sale everywhere

    Not really.

    I had a long long search for a filleting knife.

    And as for a grapefruit knife ("Do what mate ?").

    And people wonder why real shops are dying.

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Mar 8 17:07:53 2025
    On Fri, 07 Mar 2025 19:14:24 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:

    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a
    replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary
    kitchen knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from
    online sources as well.     Does anyone have any ideas?

    Amazon doesn't seem to have any shortage, though I'd expect you might
    need to provide ID on delivery.

    I've just bought a Kitchen Devil combined bread/carving knife from Amazon.
    Two goes at delivery because the first driver didn't ring the doorbell and
    just pretended that there was nobody home.

    Small paring knives have been dropped off with no ID requested.
    I assume that they get picky above a certain size.
    [Not sure this complies legally, though.]

    Anyway, I can recommend Kitchen Devil via Amazon.

    Another good place for quality knives is Ikea if you have one within a reasonable distance.

    Cheers



    DaveR


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  • From Malcolm Loades@21:1/5 to Clive Page on Sat Mar 8 16:56:14 2025
    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well. Does anyone have any ideas?
    TK Maxx always have a great selection and at big discounts. My go to
    shop for kitchen knives.

    Malcolm

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to David on Sat Mar 8 22:11:36 2025
    On 08/03/2025 17:07, David wrote:
    good place for quality knives is Ikea

    Ikea and quality in the same sentence?
    Bless!
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    returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 9 09:02:16 2025
    On 08/03/2025 10:17, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Fri, 07 Mar 2025 21:16:01 +0000, alan_m wrote:

    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    [quoted text muted]


    Not so. Kitchen knives are on sale everywhere

    Not really.

    I had a long long search for a filleting knife.


    Try a tackle shop that sell sea fishing gear. Doesn't have to be near
    the sea. I got mine from a tackle shop that is about as far from the sea
    as you can get.



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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sun Mar 9 08:57:19 2025
    On 08/03/2025 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 17:07, David wrote:
    good place for quality knives is Ikea

    Ikea and quality in the same sentence?
    Bless!


    Egg box construction and paper laminate is quality these days :)

    Some of their thin hardboard they use for the backs of the cabinets/bookshelves/chest of drawers etc. is a lot better than can be
    found is some of the sheds :)

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 9 09:38:59 2025
    On 08/03/2025 10:17, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Fri, 07 Mar 2025 21:16:01 +0000, alan_m wrote:

    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    [quoted text muted]


    Not so. Kitchen knives are on sale everywhere

    Not really.

    I had a long long search for a filleting knife.

    And as for a grapefruit knife ("Do what mate ?").

    And people wonder why real shops are dying.

    A filleting knife is hardly a top seller so I wouldn't expect many
    places to give it shelf space except perhaps in a specialised cookware shop.

    A quick Google for grapefruit knife brings up many hits.

    Yes, real shop die because no-one used them. It much like some old
    buildings in the town where I live "that must be saved by the council"
    because "I went there regularly 50 years ago and it was busy" but I
    still live in the town but haven't been back to the building for 49 years.

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 9 10:11:36 2025
    On 08/03/2025 08:17, alan_m wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 07:56, David Wade wrote:


    which is odd because its the large knives that are banned.

    Large kitchen knives are not banned.



    What's the point (erm) of a kitchen knife having a point?

    By the time things get to the kitchen, they are dead?

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Adrian Caspersz on Sun Mar 9 10:25:54 2025
    On 09/03/2025 10:11, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 08:17, alan_m wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 07:56, David Wade wrote:


    which is odd because its the large knives that are banned.

    Large kitchen knives are not banned.



    What's the point (erm) of a kitchen knife having a point?

    By the time things get to the kitchen, they are dead?

    They still need stabbing from time to time
    To make sure

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sun Mar 9 12:55:21 2025
    On 09/03/2025 10:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 09/03/2025 10:11, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 08:17, alan_m wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 07:56, David Wade wrote:


    which is odd because its the large knives that are banned.

    Large kitchen knives are not banned.



    What's the point (erm) of a kitchen knife having a point?

    By the time things get to the kitchen, they are dead?

    They still need stabbing from time to time
    To make sure

    Doesn't always work...

    "They stab it with their steely knives
    But they just can't kill the beast"

    (With acknowledgements to The Eagles) ;-)

    --
    Jeff

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  • From David@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sun Mar 9 13:13:13 2025
    On Sat, 08 Mar 2025 22:11:36 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 08/03/2025 17:07, David wrote:
    good place for quality knives is Ikea

    Ikea and quality in the same sentence?
    Bless!

    Have you ever been to Ikea and looked closely at the kitchen knives?
    Or are you just having a bad day?

    Cheers


    Dave R

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Adrian Caspersz on Sun Mar 9 09:42:46 2025
    On Sun, 3/9/2025 6:11 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 08:17, alan_m wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 07:56, David Wade wrote:


    which is odd because its the large knives that are banned.

    Large kitchen knives are not banned.



    What's the point (erm) of a kitchen knife having a point?

    By the time things get to the kitchen, they are dead?


    Let's see you cut a Winter Squash. The green ones,
    the skin on them is like armor. You have to push the
    point of a knife into them, to start the cut. You
    can't get through one of these, by "sawing at it".
    I'm pretty sure a band saw would work.

    [The seed company, in PEI, Canada]

    https://www.veseys.com/media/catalog/product/cache/image/700x700/e9c3970ab036de70892d86c6d221abfe/s/w/sweetmamasquash-sweetmamasquash-image-18680-sweet%20mama%20aas.jpg

    I use the paring knife with the shortest blade
    for this work, so I don't snap off the blade while
    cutting one.

    [Picture] The handle part is longer than the blade
    The blade is serrated, but is damaged from cutting squash.
    Even the blade edge gets turned.

    https://i.postimg.cc/K8TBfkjY/paring-knife-grocery-aisle.jpg

    You can cut them in half, and cook a half. You scoop out
    the "brains", just like when dealing with pumpkin.

    But to get more of the good bits from it, you can also *peel*
    a dry squash. Even that paring knife isn't up to the task,
    and there is a high risk of cutting yourself while working
    an item like that. The vegetable peeler is no match for
    the skin either.

    The green coloured parts are bitter, so when preparing
    the material, if the intention is to mash it after it is
    cooked, there can't be any green colour in it. That's
    how you know how much to peel off it.

    I don't eat more than two of those a season, as the
    preparation time is just not worth it. And there is a
    reasonably high risk of cutting yourself.

    Paul

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Mar 9 21:27:45 2025
    On 09/03/2025 13:42, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 3/9/2025 6:11 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 08:17, alan_m wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 07:56, David Wade wrote:


    which is odd because its the large knives that are banned.

    Large kitchen knives are not banned.



    What's the point (erm) of a kitchen knife having a point?

    By the time things get to the kitchen, they are dead?


    Let's see you cut a Winter Squash. The green ones,
    the skin on them is like armor. You have to push the
    point of a knife into them, to start the cut. You
    can't get through one of these, by "sawing at it".
    I'm pretty sure a band saw would work.

    Or try opening packaging. Yes, you can use a Stanley knife, but I don't
    keep one of those in the kitchen and the blade will just rust if washed.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to David on Mon Mar 10 10:54:21 2025
    On 09/03/2025 13:13, David wrote:
    On Sat, 08 Mar 2025 22:11:36 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 08/03/2025 17:07, David wrote:
    good place for quality knives is Ikea

    Ikea and quality in the same sentence?
    Bless!

    Have you ever been to Ikea and looked closely at the kitchen knives?
    Or are you just having a bad day?

    Everything I have ever seen from Ikea - I have never purchased anything
    myself - has been of shit quality. I see no reason why their knives
    would be any different

    I sleep on an Ikea bed which is falling to pieces. A gift from a
    previous occupant
    I should hot glue it back together sometime

    Cheers


    Dave R


    --
    “A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
    who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
    “We did this ourselves.”

    ― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to Clive Page on Mon Mar 10 11:55:17 2025
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 19:04:39 +0000, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> wrote:

    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a >replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen >knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well. Does anyone have any ideas?

    I bought a hacksaw on Saturday. I had to wait while the assistant
    called the supervisor and took a photo of the supervisor's identity
    badge as part of the sale.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Mar 10 12:20:50 2025
    On 10/03/2025 11:55, Scott wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 19:04:39 +0000, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> wrote:

    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a
    replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen
    knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well. Does anyone have any ideas?

    I bought a hacksaw on Saturday. I had to wait while the assistant
    called the supervisor and took a photo of the supervisor's identity
    badge as part of the sale.

    How old was the assistant? If underage they themselves are not permitted
    to sell certain items (such as alcohol and perhaps blades) without the
    physical presence of a supervisor.

    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Mon Mar 10 12:16:54 2025
    On 10/03/2025 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 09/03/2025 13:13, David wrote:
    On Sat, 08 Mar 2025 22:11:36 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 08/03/2025 17:07, David wrote:
    good place for quality knives is Ikea

    Ikea and quality in the same sentence?
    Bless!

    Have you ever been to Ikea and looked closely at the kitchen knives?
    Or are you just having a bad day?

    Everything I have ever seen from Ikea - I have never purchased anything myself - has been of shit quality. I see no reason why their knives
    would be any different


    In many cases its just functional if not subject to abuse.

    I've got some of their box type storage units that I use both to hold
    storage boxes and as a bookcase. Chipboard covered in a plastic
    laminate. They look reasonable good, hold the weight of books without
    deforming but I wouldn't use it as a step to stand on :) Overall crap
    quality but looks good and is functional but I only paid around £100 for
    3 units in one of their sales.

    I had a couple of their coffee tables. Egg box construction as a core
    and a surprisingly thick robust veneer and overall light weight. They
    lasted well for about 5 years indoors and a further 5 years in a shed
    until they got damp. Again they were dirt cheap.
    Lack @ £10
    Top: Particleboard, Fibreboard, Plastic edging, Printed and embossed
    acrylic paint, Clear acrylic lacquer
    Filling material: Honeycomb structure paper filling (min. 70% recycled)
    Leg: Particleboard, Fibreboard, Paper foil

    I have one of their white chest of drawers. It is heavy and well
    designed. The drawers slide in and out with ease and some thought has
    gone into the construction of the drawers. I would rate this as medium
    quality.



    --
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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 12:30:39 2025
    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 12:20:50 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 10/03/2025 11:55, Scott wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 19:04:39 +0000, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> wrote:

    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a
    replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen >>> knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well. Does anyone have any ideas?

    I bought a hacksaw on Saturday. I had to wait while the assistant
    called the supervisor and took a photo of the supervisor's identity
    badge as part of the sale.

    How old was the assistant? If underage they themselves are not permitted
    to sell certain items (such as alcohol and perhaps blades) without the >physical presence of a supervisor.

    Good point. I offered her my driving licence but she declined so the
    issue may well have been with her. It reminds me of the time approval
    was needed at Waitrose to buy a Keira Knightley DVD to establish that
    I was over 12.

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  • From David Wade@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Mon Mar 10 13:35:19 2025
    On 10/03/2025 11:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 09/03/2025 13:13, David wrote:
    On Sat, 08 Mar 2025 22:11:36 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 08/03/2025 17:07, David wrote:
    good place for quality knives is Ikea

    Ikea and quality in the same sentence?
    Bless!

    Have you ever been to Ikea and looked closely at the kitchen knives?
    Or are you just having a bad day?

    Everything I have ever seen from Ikea - I have never purchased anything myself - has been of shit quality. I see no reason why their knives
    would be any different


    Unlike many stores, IKEA often offers a range of qualities. I have lots
    of IVAR shelving and Billy bookcases. There are solid, last well and
    reasonably priced.

    They also sell cheaper shelving and book cases, but they are also poorer quality...


    I sleep on an Ikea bed which is falling to pieces. A gift from a
    previous occupant
    I should hot glue it back together sometime

    I am currently also sleeping on an Ikea bed. It is a "cheapy" but it has
    a steel frame and isn't going to fall apart any time soon.

    https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/kleppstad-bed-frame-white-vissle-beige-40492675/

    .. not sure about their knives, look like "mid range" but I am still
    using a "Masterclass" set I bought years ago...


    Cheers


    Dave R



    Dave

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 15:26:50 2025
    alan_m wrote:

    In many cases its just functional if not subject to abuse.

    I think Ikea cost-engineer all their products to the bone, as you say
    they do stand up to normal use, but not to abuse.

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to tnp@invalid.invalid on Mon Mar 10 17:21:28 2025
    On 10 Mar 2025 at 10:54:21 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
    <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 09/03/2025 13:13, David wrote:
    On Sat, 08 Mar 2025 22:11:36 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 08/03/2025 17:07, David wrote:
    good place for quality knives is Ikea

    Ikea and quality in the same sentence?
    Bless!

    Have you ever been to Ikea and looked closely at the kitchen knives?
    Or are you just having a bad day?

    Everything I have ever seen from Ikea - I have never purchased anything myself - has been of shit quality. I see no reason why their knives
    would be any different

    I sleep on an Ikea bed which is falling to pieces. A gift from a
    previous occupant
    I should hot glue it back together sometime

    Odd, one of my Ikea double beds is 45 years old. The other, around 30. Both still going strong.

    --
    The truth of the matter is that we Scots have always been more divided amongst ourselves than pitted against the English. Scottish history before the Union of Parliaments is a gloomy, violent tale of murders, feuds, and tribal revenge. Only after the Act
    of Union did Highlanders and Lowlanders, Picts and Celts, begin to recognise one another as fellow citizens.

    Tam Dalyell

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to tim@streater.me.uk on Mon Mar 10 18:00:02 2025
    In article <m38lcoFsa25U1@mid.individual.net>, Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    On 10 Mar 2025 at 10:54:21 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 09/03/2025 13:13, David wrote:
    On Sat, 08 Mar 2025 22:11:36 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 08/03/2025 17:07, David wrote:
    good place for quality knives is Ikea

    Ikea and quality in the same sentence? Bless!

    Have you ever been to Ikea and looked closely at the kitchen knives?
    Or are you just having a bad day?

    Everything I have ever seen from Ikea - I have never purchased anything myself - has been of shit quality. I see no reason why their knives
    would be any different

    I sleep on an Ikea bed which is falling to pieces. A gift from a
    previous occupant I should hot glue it back together sometime

    Odd, one of my Ikea double beds is 45 years old. The other, around 30.
    Both still going strong.

    when my daughter was ordained (about 25 years ago). the officiating bishop,
    in his sermon, said "We are told that 60% of children are concieved in an
    IKEA bed. It must be a very big bed."

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4t
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to wasbit on Mon Mar 10 18:36:55 2025
    On 09/03/2025 09:02, wasbit wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 10:17, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Fri, 07 Mar 2025 21:16:01 +0000, alan_m wrote:

    On 07/03/2025 19:04, Clive Page wrote:
    [quoted text muted]


    Not so. Kitchen knives are on sale everywhere

    Not really.

    I had a long long search for a filleting knife.


    Try a tackle shop that sell sea fishing gear. Doesn't have to be near
    the sea. I got mine from a tackle shop that is about as far from the sea
    as you can get.

    My wife has one of these: <https://www.zwilling.com/uk/zwilling-four-star-18-cm-filleting-knife-31073-181-0/31073-181-0.html?cgid=cutlery_boning-fillet-knives>
    but it's very expensive.

    But if I was buying a filleting knife I would go for the the Victorinox
    option. <https://www.hartsofstur.com/victorinox-swiss-classic-black-20cm-flexible-filleting-knife-6871320b.html>
    It's cheaper and like using several other knives in their range.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 18:39:04 2025
    On 10/03/2025 12:20, alan_m wrote:
    On 10/03/2025 11:55, Scott wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 19:04:39 +0000, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> wrote:

    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a
    replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen >>> knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well.     Does anyone have any ideas?

    I bought a hacksaw on Saturday. I had to wait while the assistant
    called the supervisor and took a photo of the supervisor's identity
    badge as part of the sale.

    How old was the assistant? If underage they themselves are not permitted
    to sell certain items (such as alcohol and perhaps blades) without the physical presence of a supervisor.

    It normally only requires someone over 18 to verbally okay the under 18 assistant to go ahead with the sale. Anything more is likely something
    the shop has put in place themselves.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 20:03:18 2025
    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 18:39:04 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
    wrote:

    On 10/03/2025 12:20, alan_m wrote:
    On 10/03/2025 11:55, Scott wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 19:04:39 +0000, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> wrote:

    I recently broke the blade of a knife in our kitchen and we need a
    replacement for peeling fruit, chopping vegetables, etc.

    I presume it's as a result of recent knife attacks that ordinary kitchen >>>> knives seem to have vanished from the usual shops and from online
    sources as well. Does anyone have any ideas?

    I bought a hacksaw on Saturday. I had to wait while the assistant
    called the supervisor and took a photo of the supervisor's identity
    badge as part of the sale.

    How old was the assistant? If underage they themselves are not permitted
    to sell certain items (such as alcohol and perhaps blades) without the
    physical presence of a supervisor.

    It normally only requires someone over 18 to verbally okay the under 18 >assistant to go ahead with the sale. Anything more is likely something
    the shop has put in place themselves.

    That's what I thought, that pharmacy only medicines can be sold by an
    assistant provided the pharmacist is present and 'approves'.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to SteveW on Mon Mar 10 19:56:46 2025
    SteveW wrote:

    It normally only requires someone over 18 to verbally okay the under 18 assistant to go ahead with the sale. Anything more is likely something
    the shop has put in place themselves.

    And we know how much they like doing that sort of thing, e.g. it's legal
    for children of any age to buy 0.5% shandy, yet Tesco still want to ID
    me for buying 0% beer

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Mar 10 21:15:02 2025
    In article <m38ug0Ftg3qU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    SteveW wrote:

    It normally only requires someone over 18 to verbally okay the under 18 assistant to go ahead with the sale. Anything more is likely something
    the shop has put in place themselves.

    And we know how much they like doing that sort of thing, e.g. it's legal
    for children of any age to buy 0.5% shandy, yet Tesco still want to ID
    me for buying 0% beer

    Sainsburys likewise - I'm 84!

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4t
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Mar 12 00:00:23 2025
    On 10/03/2025 19:56, Andy Burns wrote:
    SteveW wrote:

    It normally only requires someone over 18 to verbally okay the under
    18 assistant to go ahead with the sale. Anything more is likely
    something the shop has put in place themselves.

    And we know how much they like doing that sort of thing, e.g. it's legal
    for children of any age to buy 0.5% shandy, yet Tesco still want to ID
    me for buying 0% beer

    I've pointed out the stupidity of wasting my time and theirs in doing an
    age check at the self-service tills when I am buying 0% beer in our
    local Sainsburys.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to SteveW on Tue Mar 11 21:21:18 2025
    On Sun, 3/9/2025 5:27 PM, SteveW wrote:
    On 09/03/2025 13:42, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 3/9/2025 6:11 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 08:17, alan_m wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 07:56, David Wade wrote:


    which is odd because its the large knives that are banned.

    Large kitchen knives are not banned.



    What's the point (erm) of a kitchen knife having a point?

    By the time things get to the kitchen, they are dead?


    Let's see you cut a Winter Squash. The green ones,
    the skin on them is like armor. You have to push the
    point of a knife into them, to start the cut. You
    can't get through one of these, by "sawing at it".
    I'm pretty sure a band saw would work.

    Or try opening packaging. Yes, you can use a Stanley knife, but I don't keep one of those in the kitchen and the blade will just rust if washed.

    I keep those in the kitchen.
    A Stanley. And a box cutter.

    Not for food prep though.

    Paul

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 12 08:59:15 2025
    On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 00:00:23 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
    wrote:

    On 10/03/2025 19:56, Andy Burns wrote:
    SteveW wrote:

    It normally only requires someone over 18 to verbally okay the under
    18 assistant to go ahead with the sale. Anything more is likely
    something the shop has put in place themselves.

    And we know how much they like doing that sort of thing, e.g. it's legal
    for children of any age to buy 0.5% shandy, yet Tesco still want to ID
    me for buying 0% beer

    I've pointed out the stupidity of wasting my time and theirs in doing an
    age check at the self-service tills when I am buying 0% beer in our
    local Sainsburys.

    Is it not the case that persons under 18 are not allowed to buy
    alcohol free beer in case it encourages a liking for the real thing?
    If so, the requirement to check will be the same irrespective of
    alcohol content.

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Mar 12 08:59:22 2025
    On 12/03/2025 01:21, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 3/9/2025 5:27 PM, SteveW wrote:
    On 09/03/2025 13:42, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 3/9/2025 6:11 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 08:17, alan_m wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 07:56, David Wade wrote:


    which is odd because its the large knives that are banned.

    Large kitchen knives are not banned.



    What's the point (erm) of a kitchen knife having a point?

    By the time things get to the kitchen, they are dead?


    Let's see you cut a Winter Squash. The green ones,
    the skin on them is like armor. You have to push the
    point of a knife into them, to start the cut. You
    can't get through one of these, by "sawing at it".
    I'm pretty sure a band saw would work.

    Or try opening packaging. Yes, you can use a Stanley knife, but I don't keep one of those in the kitchen and the blade will just rust if washed.

    I keep those in the kitchen.
    A Stanley. And a box cutter.

    Not for food prep though.

    By chance, I do happen to have a Stanley knife in the kitchen at the
    moment - but that is just because it hasn't made it out to the garage yet.

    After opening supermarket meat packaging, I'd want to wash the knife, so
    while I could keep a Stanley knife in the kitchen, the blade and
    internal mechanism would soon rust.

    Meanwhile, I've always got kitchen knives with sharp points to pierce
    packaging and their stainless-steel blades will last.

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Scott on Wed Mar 12 09:09:58 2025
    On 12/03/2025 08:59, Scott wrote:
    On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 00:00:23 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
    wrote:

    On 10/03/2025 19:56, Andy Burns wrote:
    SteveW wrote:

    It normally only requires someone over 18 to verbally okay the under
    18 assistant to go ahead with the sale. Anything more is likely
    something the shop has put in place themselves.

    And we know how much they like doing that sort of thing, e.g. it's legal >>> for children of any age to buy 0.5% shandy, yet Tesco still want to ID
    me for buying 0% beer

    I've pointed out the stupidity of wasting my time and theirs in doing an
    age check at the self-service tills when I am buying 0% beer in our
    local Sainsburys.

    Is it not the case that persons under 18 are not allowed to buy
    alcohol free beer in case it encourages a liking for the real thing?
    If so, the requirement to check will be the same irrespective of
    alcohol content.

    I've just looked it up and apparently that is the case, but it is only a voluntary ban, there is nothing in law to prevent such sales. It appears
    that it is only applied because the 0% beers often look life the
    alcoholic versions and so, while children cannot buy a 0% Becks Blue or Heineken at the big retailers (small shops often do allow it), they CAN
    (as always) buy a a 0.5%, 2-litre bottle of Shandy.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Scott on Wed Mar 12 10:16:18 2025
    Scott wrote:

    Is it not the case that persons under 18 are not allowed to buy
    alcohol free beer in case it encourages a liking for the real thing?
    If so, the requirement to check will be the same irrespective of
    alcohol content.

    In the eyes of the Licensing laws, anything with <= 0.5% alcohol is out
    of scope. Didn't every sweet shop in the land sell Top Deck shandy?

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Mar 12 11:16:36 2025
    On 12/03/2025 01:21, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 3/9/2025 5:27 PM, SteveW wrote:


    Or try opening packaging. Yes, you can use a Stanley knife, but I don't keep one of those in the kitchen and the blade will just rust if washed.

    I keep those in the kitchen.
    A Stanley. And a box cutter.

    I also have a couple of folding Stanley blade type knives in my kitchen
    drawers for opening a variety of packages but not for food preparation.

    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to SteveW on Wed Mar 12 23:25:18 2025
    On 09/03/2025 21:27, SteveW wrote:
    On 09/03/2025 13:42, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 3/9/2025 6:11 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 08:17, alan_m wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 07:56, David Wade wrote:


    which is odd because its the large knives that are banned.

    Large kitchen knives are not banned.



    What's the point (erm) of a kitchen knife having a point?

    By the time things get to the kitchen, they are dead?


    Let's see you cut a Winter Squash. The green ones,
    the skin on them is like armor. You have to push the
    point of a knife into them, to start the cut. You
    can't get through one of these, by "sawing at it".
    I'm pretty sure a band saw would work.

    Or try opening packaging. Yes, you can use a Stanley knife, but I don't
    keep one of those in the kitchen and the blade will just rust if washed.

    One single comment for that Japanese knife on the Sainsburys
    website -

    "I would rate -1 if I could It was first wash in Dishwasher and came out
    with rust marks."

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu Mar 13 08:45:08 2025
    On 12/03/2025 23:25, Andrew wrote:

    One single comment for that Japanese knife on the Sainsburys
    website -

    "I would rate -1 if I could It was first wash in Dishwasher and came out
    with rust marks."

    All my knives (cheap and expensive), except one are free of rust.

    The exception is an expensive Japanese made fillet knife. I have 5 other
    knives made by the same manufacturer which over many decades of being
    left in water or a drained sink show no signs of rust. Why is this one
    knife different - probably because its made from a different grade of (stainless) steel to make the blade very flexible/bendy.

    If I use this one knife it is hand washed and dried immediately.

    --
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  • From Timatmarford@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu Mar 13 08:16:21 2025
    On 12/03/2025 23:25, Andrew wrote:
    On 09/03/2025 21:27, SteveW wrote:
    On 09/03/2025 13:42, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 3/9/2025 6:11 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 08:17, alan_m wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 07:56, David Wade wrote:


    which is odd because its the large knives that are banned.

    Large kitchen knives are not banned.



    What's the point (erm) of a kitchen knife having a point?

    By the time things get to the kitchen, they are dead?


    Let's see you cut a Winter Squash. The green ones,
    the skin on them is like armor. You have to push the
    point of a knife into them, to start the cut. You
    can't get through one of these, by "sawing at it".
    I'm pretty sure a band saw would work.

    Or try opening packaging. Yes, you can use a Stanley knife, but I
    don't keep one of those in the kitchen and the blade will just rust if
    washed.

    One single comment for that Japanese knife on the Sainsburys
    website -

    "I would rate -1 if I could It was first wash in Dishwasher and came out
    with rust marks."
    Hmm. We have that problem with a set of Japanese stainless cutlery
    purchased around 1970. Still in use but occasionally there will be rust
    spots on the knives from the dishwasher. Only the hardened blades. Forks
    and spoons are fine.


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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 09:12:34 2025
    On 13/03/2025 08:45, alan_m wrote:
    On 12/03/2025 23:25, Andrew wrote:

    One single comment for that Japanese knife on the Sainsburys
    website -

    "I would rate -1 if I could It was first wash in Dishwasher and came
    out with rust marks."

    All my knives (cheap and expensive), except one are free of rust.

    The exception is an expensive Japanese made fillet knife. I have 5 other knives made by the same manufacturer which over many decades of being
    left in water or a drained sink show no signs of rust. Why is this one
    knife different - probably because its made from a different grade of (stainless) steel to make the blade very flexible/bendy.

    If I use this one knife it is hand washed and dried immediately.

    I have a vague recollection that the best knives, that retain the
    sharpest edge, are carbon steel, not stainless steel and so will need to
    be washed and dried immediately.

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  • From Nick Odell@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 11:00:36 2025
    On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 09:12:34 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
    wrote:

    On 13/03/2025 08:45, alan_m wrote:
    On 12/03/2025 23:25, Andrew wrote:

    One single comment for that Japanese knife on the Sainsburys
    website -

    "I would rate -1 if I could It was first wash in Dishwasher and came
    out with rust marks."

    All my knives (cheap and expensive), except one are free of rust.

    The exception is an expensive Japanese made fillet knife. I have 5 other
    knives made by the same manufacturer which over many decades of being
    left in water or a drained sink show no signs of rust. Why is this one
    knife different - probably because its made from a different grade of
    (stainless) steel to make the blade very flexible/bendy.

    If I use this one knife it is hand washed and dried immediately.

    I have a vague recollection that the best knives, that retain the
    sharpest edge, are carbon steel, not stainless steel and so will need to
    be washed and dried immediately.

    My stainless steel knives just sort of look after themselves but my
    two best kitchen knives are high carbon steel. My mother's old kitchen
    knife (and my grandmother's before) is totally black but beautifully
    efficient. The other one was made for me from a truck suspension leaf
    spring by a Patagonian Gaucho and is a real Crocodile Dundee "call
    that a knife?" type knife and will slice through anything.

    Nick

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to SteveW on Thu Mar 13 10:33:00 2025
    On 13/03/2025 09:12, SteveW wrote:
    On 13/03/2025 08:45, alan_m wrote:
    On 12/03/2025 23:25, Andrew wrote:

    One single comment for that Japanese knife on the Sainsburys
    website -

    "I would rate -1 if I could It was first wash in Dishwasher and came
    out with rust marks."

    All my knives (cheap and expensive), except one are free of rust.

    The exception is an expensive Japanese made fillet knife. I have 5
    other knives made by the same manufacturer which over many decades of
    being left in water or a drained sink show no signs of rust. Why is
    this one knife different - probably because its made from a different
    grade of (stainless) steel to make the blade very flexible/bendy.

    If I use this one knife it is hand washed and dried immediately.

    I have a vague recollection that the best knives, that retain the
    sharpest edge, are carbon steel, not stainless steel and so will need to
    be washed and dried immediately.


    I do have to sharpen my expensive stainless steel knives on a regular
    basis but its only a couple of strokes through the fine grade sharpener
    - grinding wheels running in a water bath.

    --
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to SteveW on Thu Mar 13 13:00:23 2025
    On 13/03/2025 09:12, SteveW wrote:
    On 13/03/2025 08:45, alan_m wrote:
    On 12/03/2025 23:25, Andrew wrote:

    One single comment for that Japanese knife on the Sainsburys
    website -

    "I would rate -1 if I could It was first wash in Dishwasher and came
    out with rust marks."

    All my knives (cheap and expensive), except one are free of rust.

    The exception is an expensive Japanese made fillet knife. I have 5
    other knives made by the same manufacturer which over many decades of
    being left in water or a drained sink show no signs of rust. Why is
    this one knife different - probably because its made from a different
    grade of (stainless) steel to make the blade very flexible/bendy.

    If I use this one knife it is hand washed and dried immediately.

    I have a vague recollection that the best knives, that retain the
    sharpest edge, are carbon steel, not stainless steel and so will need to
    be washed and dried immediately.

    +1.

    --
    To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 13:57:13 2025
    On 13/03/2025 10:33, alan_m wrote:
    On 13/03/2025 09:12, SteveW wrote:
    On 13/03/2025 08:45, alan_m wrote:
    On 12/03/2025 23:25, Andrew wrote:

    One single comment for that Japanese knife on the Sainsburys
    website -

    "I would rate -1 if I could It was first wash in Dishwasher and came
    out with rust marks."

    All my knives (cheap and expensive), except one are free of rust.

    The exception is an expensive Japanese made fillet knife. I have 5
    other knives made by the same manufacturer which over many decades of
    being left in water or a drained sink show no signs of rust. Why is
    this one knife different - probably because its made from a different
    grade of (stainless) steel to make the blade very flexible/bendy.

    If I use this one knife it is hand washed and dried immediately.

    I have a vague recollection that the best knives, that retain the
    sharpest edge, are carbon steel, not stainless steel and so will need
    to be washed and dried immediately.


    I do have to sharpen my expensive stainless steel knives on a regular
    basis but its only a couple of strokes through the fine grade sharpener
    -  grinding wheels running in a water bath.


    I had thought of getting one of those diamond sharpening blocks
    specifically for sharpening those stainless-steel kitchen knives
    that are supposed to 'never need sharpening'.

    Does anyone use these for kitchen knives ?.

    I usually resort to using my Norton wetstone block with the
    proper oil but I struggle to keep the angle correct.

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu Mar 13 15:44:39 2025
    On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 13:57:13 +0000
    Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 13/03/2025 10:33, alan_m wrote:
    On 13/03/2025 09:12, SteveW wrote:
    On 13/03/2025 08:45, alan_m wrote:
    On 12/03/2025 23:25, Andrew wrote:

    One single comment for that Japanese knife on the Sainsburys
    website -

    "I would rate -1 if I could It was first wash in Dishwasher and
    came out with rust marks."

    All my knives (cheap and expensive), except one are free of rust.

    The exception is an expensive Japanese made fillet knife. I have
    5 other knives made by the same manufacturer which over many
    decades of being left in water or a drained sink show no signs of
    rust. Why is this one knife different - probably because its made
    from a different grade of (stainless) steel to make the blade
    very flexible/bendy.

    If I use this one knife it is hand washed and dried immediately.

    I have a vague recollection that the best knives, that retain the
    sharpest edge, are carbon steel, not stainless steel and so will
    need to be washed and dried immediately.


    I do have to sharpen my expensive stainless steel knives on a
    regular basis but its only a couple of strokes through the fine
    grade sharpener
    -  grinding wheels running in a water bath.


    I had thought of getting one of those diamond sharpening blocks
    specifically for sharpening those stainless-steel kitchen knives
    that are supposed to 'never need sharpening'.

    Does anyone use these for kitchen knives ?.

    I usually resort to using my Norton wetstone block with the
    proper oil but I struggle to keep the angle correct.

    There are many sharpening jigs available, and instructions to make
    several more. I have a jig for chisels and plane blades but never got
    as far as knives.

    --
    Joe

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Timatmarford on Fri Mar 14 19:16:56 2025
    On 13/03/2025 08:16, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 12/03/2025 23:25, Andrew wrote:
    On 09/03/2025 21:27, SteveW wrote:
    On 09/03/2025 13:42, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 3/9/2025 6:11 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 08:17, alan_m wrote:
    On 08/03/2025 07:56, David Wade wrote:


    which is odd because its the large knives that are banned.

    Large kitchen knives are not banned.



    What's the point (erm) of a kitchen knife having a point?

    By the time things get to the kitchen, they are dead?


    Let's see you cut a Winter Squash. The green ones,
    the skin on them is like armor. You have to push the
    point of a knife into them, to start the cut. You
    can't get through one of these, by "sawing at it".
    I'm pretty sure a band saw would work.

    Or try opening packaging. Yes, you can use a Stanley knife, but I
    don't keep one of those in the kitchen and the blade will just rust
    if washed.

    One single comment for that Japanese knife on the Sainsburys
    website -

    "I would rate -1 if I could It was first wash in Dishwasher and came
    out with rust marks."
    Hmm. We have that problem with a set of Japanese stainless cutlery
    purchased around 1970. Still in use but occasionally there will be rust
    spots on the knives from the dishwasher. Only the hardened blades. Forks
    and spoons are fine.

    We get that occasionally.
    I suspect it happens when two items touch whilst in the dishwasher and
    some form of galvanic action ensues.
    I _think_ the blades are made from a different grade of stainless.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Vir Campestris@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 24 21:13:10 2025
    On 07/03/2025 21:16, alan_m wrote:
    You just have to decide on what type of kitchen knife you want. 30+
    years ago I went for some expensive Japanese one piece all steel knives
    and I'm still using these today.  For this type of knife you may need to find  specialised on-line seller.

    Back in the 70s when I was a student I splashed out on a nice kitchen
    knife. Carbon steel, and a **** to keep looking nice. But it's still
    sharp and used daily. The edge has got a bit wavy, and I am considering grinding it straight.

    A good knife should last a lifetime.

    Andy

    --
    Do not listen to rumour, but, if you do, do not believe it.
    Ghandi.

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