I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid
of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to
be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view?usp=sharing

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On 13/03/2025 17:05, Steve wrote:

the roots of whatever was there before are proving to be very reluctant
to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

6 ton digger

--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

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Steve <none@wanted.com> wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid
of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to
be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view?usp=sharing

Sodium Chlorate used to be the go to substance for things like that but has been banned in the UK for many years. I used some when it was still
available and legal to use for ground clearance and it cleared everything
and nothing of what was there before ever came back. I do not know if there
is anything to replace it other than the likes of Roundup but that actually needs the plant to be growing and have leaves to absorb the chemicals to
kill the roots.

Richard

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On 3/13/25 17:05, Steve wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid of
the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to be
very reluctant to come out.

What do you mean? The roots keep sprouting new growth, or they are tough
to pull out?

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On 13/03/2025 17:05, Steve wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid
of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to
be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view?usp=sharing

Hire a stump grinder. If, however, the border is full of stones and
builder's rubble, you'll probably end up paying a lot more by breaking
the teeth on it.

Another possibility is to cover the border with heavy-duty black
polythene weighed or staked down for at least six months.

--
Jeff

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Pancho presented the following explanation :

On 3/13/25 17:05, Steve wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid of
the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to be very >> reluctant to come out.

What do you mean? The roots keep sprouting new growth, or they are tough to pull out?

OK, you got me - I'm not doing the job myself because of an injury but
my mate is doing it and all he told me was what I wrote in the OP.

I suppose it could well be both. The roots are definitely too tough
(and too intertwined) to pull out. You can also see some new green
growth at the top end by the white van so....

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On 13/03/2025 19:27, Fredxx wrote:

On 13/03/2025 17:05, Steve wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid
of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to
be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard
weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/
view? usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/
view? usp=sharing

At first read I immediately thought of Glyphosate but after the pictures
it looks as if you'd first need to pick up all the twigs.

If there's a modest size of growth then I would cut the shoot and spot
withy neat Glyphosate. Anything larger and I would drill a well or
multiple wells depending on size and fill each with neat Glyphosate.

I would suggest SBK

https://www.therange.co.uk/garden/pest-control-and-weed-killer/weed-killer/sbk-tough-weed-killer-concentrate/#245911

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Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:

If there's a modest size of growth then I would cut the shoot and spot
withy neat Glyphosate. Anything larger and I would drill a well or
multiple wells depending on size and fill each with neat Glyphosate.

If there was any size of root there are concentrated glyphosate capsules
called 'ecoplugs' you can hammer into wood like a wall plug: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/kill-diseased-trees-by-using-chemicals

but in that picture there it just looks like a tangle of small roots rather than a stump or thick roots. You can wait for it to sprout and then
glyphosate the leaves but it won't remove the woody part.

I suppose you just need mechanical action. You can hack at them with a reciprocating saw into the soil to remove the major stuff, or a stump
grinder if you want to go deeper.

I'm hoping it's not the kind of plant that every time the root is cut it sprouts a new plant? Still have bindweed nightmares...

Theo

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On 13/03/2025 17:05, Steve wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid of
the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to be
very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view? usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view? usp=sharing

At first read I immediately thought of Glyphosate but after the pictures
it looks as if you'd first need to pick up all the twigs.

If there's a modest size of growth then I would cut the shoot and spot
withy neat Glyphosate. Anything larger and I would drill a well or
multiple wells depending on size and fill each with neat Glyphosate.

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On 13/03/2025 19:53, SH wrote:

On 13/03/2025 19:27, Fredxx wrote:

On 13/03/2025 17:05, Steve wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid
of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving
to be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard
weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/
view? usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/
view? usp=sharing

At first read I immediately thought of Glyphosate but after the
pictures it looks as if you'd first need to pick up all the twigs.

If there's a modest size of growth then I would cut the shoot and spot
withy neat Glyphosate. Anything larger and I would drill a well or
multiple wells depending on size and fill each with neat Glyphosate.

I would suggest SBK

https://www.therange.co.uk/garden/pest-control-and-weed-killer/weed- killer/sbk-tough-weed-killer-concentrate/#245911

Some suggest the two. Many articles suggest Glyphosate is more effective
that Triclopyr where the advantage of Triclopyr is doesn't affect grass
and other broadleaf plants.

YMMV

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In article <vqvbjs$3oelj$1@dont-email.me>, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> scribeth thus

On 13/03/2025 17:05, Steve wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid of
the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to be
very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard
weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view?
usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view?
usp=sharing

At first read I immediately thought of Glyphosate but after the pictures
it looks as if you'd first need to pick up all the twigs.

If there's a modest size of growth then I would cut the shoot and spot
withy neat Glyphosate. Anything larger and I would drill a well or
multiple wells depending on size and fill each with neat Glyphosate.

Would Salt be of use here?, i put some on a bit of ground last year
nothing has grown there at all!..

Most builders merchants s usually stock it..

--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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On 13/03/2025 17:05, Steve wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid of
the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to be
very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view?usp=sharing

It looks like a cherry and root suckers have sprung up. Clear debris and
mow as tight to the ground as you can. Then to assist composting ;-)
place some neat ammonium sulfamate crystals in holes drilled round the
cambium of the stump and cover with a slice off the stump. Mix some in a *plastic* watering can with rose and apply to cut surfaces of suckers.

I use Dax Root-out to add a bit of nitrogen to the compost process but
am unsure if that brand is still available.

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ajh wrote:

I use Dax Root-out to add a bit of nitrogen to the compost process but
am unsure if that brand is still available.

Don't think they exist any more, used to be good on brambles or other
woody stuff, but you can buy generic for use as a compost accelerator
(just not as a weedkiller, oh no, definitely not)

e.g.

<https://mistralni.co.uk/products/ammonium-sulphamate>

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On 14/03/2025 13:01, Andy Burns wrote:

ajh wrote:

I use Dax Root-out to add a bit of nitrogen to the compost process but
am unsure if that brand is still available.

Don't think they exist any more, used to be good on brambles or other
woody stuff, but you can buy generic for use as a compost accelerator
(just not as a weedkiller, oh no, definitely not)

Perzactly

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Steve explained :

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view?usp=sharing

Thanks everyone.

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 17:05:19 GMT, Steve <none@wanted.com> wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid
of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to
be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard >weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view?usp=sharing

German eBay sells this:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/254124341558

which is not a herbicide, nor to be abused as such, but is used only to clear stone paths of growth and algae. Wegerein translates to "path clear".

Scroll down to read the ingredients.

Depending on the stuff you use, *nothing* will grow there for a long time, so beware.

No idea if they will ship to you.


Thomas Prufer

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On 15/03/2025 09:14, Thomas Prufer wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 17:05:19 GMT, Steve <none@wanted.com> wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid
of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to
be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard
weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view?usp=sharing

German eBay sells this:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/254124341558

which is not a herbicide, nor to be abused as such, but is used only to clear stone paths of growth and algae. Wegerein translates to "path clear".

Scroll down to read the ingredients.

It's sodium chlorate. Given that it's banned in the UK, importing it
might be a really bad idea.

Depending on the stuff you use, *nothing* will grow there for a long time, so beware.

No idea if they will ship to you.

Thomas Prufer

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On 13/03/2025 18:25, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 13/03/2025 17:05, Steve wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid
of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to
be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard
weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view?usp=sharing

Hire a stump grinder. If, however, the border is full of stones and
builder's rubble, you'll probably end up paying a lot more by breaking
the teeth on it.

Yippee, right through Virgins cables just below the surface :-)

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On 15/03/2025 20:52, Andrew wrote:

On 13/03/2025 18:25, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 13/03/2025 17:05, Steve wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid
of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to
be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard
weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/
view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/
view?usp=sharing

Hire a stump grinder. If, however, the border is full of stones and
builder's rubble, you'll probably end up paying a lot more by breaking
the teeth on it.

Yippee, right through Virgins cables just below the surface :-)

I believe thats referred to as breaking virgins in......

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On 15/03/2025 20:52, Andrew wrote:

On 13/03/2025 18:25, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 13/03/2025 17:05, Steve wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid
of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to
be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard
weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view?usp=sharing

Hire a stump grinder. If, however, the border is full of stones and
builder's rubble, you'll probably end up paying a lot more by breaking
the teeth on it.

Yippee, right through Virgins cables just below the surface :-)

A spade will do that just as well, but it won't get rid of hundreds of
roots so easily. The OP would have to check where any cable is before penetrating the soil more than a few cm, whether by spade or grinder.

--
Jeff

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 19:00:49 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

On 15/03/2025 09:14, Thomas Prufer wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 17:05:19 GMT, Steve <none@wanted.com> wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid
of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to
be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard
weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view?usp=sharing

German eBay sells this:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/254124341558

which is not a herbicide, nor to be abused as such, but is used only to clear
stone paths of growth and algae. Wegerein translates to "path clear".

Scroll down to read the ingredients.

It's sodium chlorate.

Yes, I know that. Didn't want to shout&wave it about.

Given that it's banned in the UK, importing it
might be a really bad idea.

Sodium chlorate is also banned in Germany *as a herbicide*. This is not a herbicide, they specifically tell you not to apply it as a herbicide, but only as an algae/moss/lichen killer on pathways and stone flags, and tell you that herbicide us is banned.

The OP could check the intricacies of the ban, and then try to click on the offer and see if the ship to UK, and get his money back if it doesn't arrive.


Thomas Prufer

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In article <vr63b0$1cjjs$1@dont-email.me>,
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/03/2025 20:52, Andrew wrote:

On 13/03/2025 18:25, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 13/03/2025 17:05, Steve wrote:

I'm clearing an area at the front of the house (including getting rid
of the tree) but the roots of whatever was there before are proving to >>> be very reluctant to come out.

The only other idea I can come up with is to poison them and sort it
that way. I know that I'll need something stronger than your standard
weedkiller but I've no idea what. Any suggestions?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWnuLFf8jitwvB_ifOUYMUoTefulc1rL/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18zILFyKZ3xWgp4bULdFv1886hNQnMps_/view?usp=sharing

Hire a stump grinder. If, however, the border is full of stones and
builder's rubble, you'll probably end up paying a lot more by breaking
the teeth on it.

Yippee, right through Virgins cables just below the surface :-)

A spade will do that just as well, but it won't get rid of hundreds of
roots so easily. The OP would have to check where any cable is before penetrating the soil more than a few cm, whether by spade or grinder.

when a builder at a plot just down the road removed a tree & its roots, he discovered - too late - that the tree's roots had grown round the
electricity feed for 5 houses. A big 'BANG' and we were supplied with a
diesel genny for 5 days! Mind you it was installed at about 1am!

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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On 16/03/2025 09:52, Thomas Prufer wrote:

It's sodium chlorate.

Yes, I know that. Didn't want to shout&wave it about.

Given that it's banned in the UK, importing it
might be a really bad idea.

Sodium chlorate is also banned in Germany *as a herbicide*. This is not a herbicide, they specifically tell you not to apply it as a herbicide, but only
as an algae/moss/lichen killer on pathways and stone flags, and tell you that herbicide us is banned.

The OP could check the intricacies of the ban, and then try to click on the offer and see if the ship to UK, and get his money back if it doesn't arrive.

I'd be worried that it does ship, and the recipient gets arrested.

The issue with it in the UK is not herbicide usage. Nobody gives a damn
whether you turn your garden into a wilderness. It's a very strong
oxidising agent, and a well-known constituent of home-made bombs.

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On 16/03/2025 20:10, GB wrote:

On 16/03/2025 09:52, Thomas Prufer wrote:

It's sodium chlorate.

Yes, I know that. Didn't want to shout&wave it about.

Given that it's banned in the UK, importing it
might be a really bad idea.

Sodium chlorate is also banned in Germany *as a herbicide*. This is not a
herbicide, they specifically tell you not to apply it as a herbicide,
but only
as an algae/moss/lichen killer on pathways and stone flags, and tell
you that
herbicide us is banned.

The OP could check the intricacies of the ban, and then try to click
on the
offer and see if the ship to UK, and get his money back if it doesn't
arrive.

I'd be worried that it does ship, and the recipient gets arrested.

The issue with it in the UK is not herbicide usage. Nobody gives a damn whether you turn your garden into a wilderness. It's a very strong
oxidising agent, and a well-known constituent of home-made bombs.

You can make a dilute solution merely by boiling bleach (sodium
hypochlorite)


--
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

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On 16/03/2025 20:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You can make a dilute solution merely by boiling bleach (sodium
hypochlorite)

Does bleach work as a weedkiller?










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GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

I'd be worried that it does ship, and the recipient gets arrested.

The issue with it in the UK is not herbicide usage. Nobody gives a damn whether you turn your garden into a wilderness. It's a very strong
oxidising agent, and a well-known constituent of home-made bombs.

I’ve still got a scar from teenage explosion experiments, they took a long time to fill with the NaClO3 and sugar mixture through the top but a bulb
from a sparklets soda syphon made a reasonable torpedo at least till it got metal fatigue and exploded with an impressive waterspout in the pond at my mates parents. It was forty years before we explained to his Mum why her
ducks had suddenly flow away.
Bit of shrapnel hit me fortunately on the Patella and ricochetted off ,
could have been worse if it had hit something soft or an eye. Had to
convince Mother the bloodied knee was caused by cycling into a barbed wire fence, At the same event where we confessed about the ducks Mother remarked
I knew it was really one of your bombs, she had heard it from 2 miles away.

I suppose kids today with no access to such things may be safer,OTOH some
have to turn to drugs to
put some excitement into their lives.

GH

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On 16/03/2025 20:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You can make a dilute solution merely by boiling bleach (sodium
hypochlorite)

JOOI If you mix bleach with table salt (sodium chloride) does it make
any sodium chlorate?

--
TOJ

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On 16/03/2025 20:43, GB wrote:

On 16/03/2025 20:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You can make a dilute solution merely by boiling bleach (sodium
hypochlorite)

Does bleach work as a weedkiller?

I think only by dint of it breaking down to chlorate.

Of course it will scorch plants to shit juts like any strong chemical -
acid alkali - or even plain salt, will.

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On 16/03/2025 22:15, The Other John wrote:

On 16/03/2025 20:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You can make a dilute solution merely by boiling bleach (sodium
hypochlorite)

JOOI If you mix bleach with table salt (sodium chloride) does it make
any sodium chlorate?

I have never heard that it does, no.
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 20:10:45 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

On 16/03/2025 09:52, Thomas Prufer wrote:

It's sodium chlorate.

Yes, I know that. Didn't want to shout&wave it about.

Given that it's banned in the UK, importing it
might be a really bad idea.

Sodium chlorate is also banned in Germany *as a herbicide*. This is not a
herbicide, they specifically tell you not to apply it as a herbicide, but only
as an algae/moss/lichen killer on pathways and stone flags, and tell you that
herbicide us is banned.

The OP could check the intricacies of the ban, and then try to click on the >> offer and see if the ship to UK, and get his money back if it doesn't arrive.

I'd be worried that it does ship, and the recipient gets arrested.

The issue with it in the UK is not herbicide usage. Nobody gives a damn >whether you turn your garden into a wilderness. It's a very strong
oxidising agent, and a well-known constituent of home-made bombs.

It's 30% oxidizer, the 70% rest is probably something to keep it from oxidizing in any rapid ways, mixed with whatever reaction precursors aren't easy to remove.

There was a spate of farmers with self-combusting pants, though...

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/pants-trousers-exploding-new-zealand-sodium-chlorate

Thomas Prufer

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In article <m3p0e3FbsetU1@mid.individual.net>, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> scribeth thus

GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

I'd be worried that it does ship, and the recipient gets arrested.

The issue with it in the UK is not herbicide usage. Nobody gives a damn
whether you turn your garden into a wilderness. It's a very strong
oxidising agent, and a well-known constituent of home-made bombs.

I’ve still got a scar from teenage explosion experiments, they took a long >time to fill with the NaClO3 and sugar mixture through the top but a bulb >from a sparklets soda syphon made a reasonable torpedo at least till it got >metal fatigue and exploded with an impressive waterspout in the pond at my >mates parents. It was forty years before we explained to his Mum why her >ducks had suddenly flow away.
Bit of shrapnel hit me fortunately on the Patella and ricochetted off , >could have been worse if it had hit something soft or an eye. Had to >convince Mother the bloodied knee was caused by cycling into a barbed wire >fence, At the same event where we confessed about the ducks Mother remarked
I knew it was really one of your bombs, she had heard it from 2 miles away.

I suppose kids today with no access to such things may be safer,OTOH some >have to turn to drugs to
put some excitement into their lives.

GH

We used to put the sugar in then a neutral agent cant remember now what
it was might have been salt, then the chlorate then shake it up on
site. We did after a while use electric detonation and there is by the riverside a bloody great hole after what some 50 odd years?

My mate, bloody idiot, had the end of his plimsolls blown off, told him
not to kick one that didn't work as it should.

Good old bad 'ole days they were;)..

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Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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On 16/03/2025 20:43, GB wrote:

On 16/03/2025 20:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You can make a dilute solution merely by boiling bleach (sodium
hypochlorite)

Does bleach work as a weedkiller?

I think the issue is that it kills absolutely everything and hence
frowned upon.

But I suspect sodium chlorate has pretty much the same effect.

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On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:04:02 +0000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:

On 16/03/2025 20:43, GB wrote:

On 16/03/2025 20:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You can make a dilute solution merely by boiling bleach (sodium
hypochlorite)

Does bleach work as a weedkiller?

I think the issue is that it kills absolutely everything and hence
frowned upon.

But I suspect sodium chlorate has pretty much the same effect.

I'd expect that bleach "wears off" as it does when bleaching, while the chlorate
lasts a lot longer.

Thomas Prufer

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On 20/03/2025 07:04, Thomas Prufer wrote:

On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:04:02 +0000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:

On 16/03/2025 20:43, GB wrote:

On 16/03/2025 20:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

You can make a dilute solution merely by boiling bleach (sodium
hypochlorite)

Does bleach work as a weedkiller?

I think the issue is that it kills absolutely everything and hence
frowned upon.

But I suspect sodium chlorate has pretty much the same effect.

I'd expect that bleach "wears off" as it does when bleaching, while the chlorate
lasts a lot longer.

Thomas Prufer

Yes I think so.

Chlorate is a destroyer of the soils ability to transport nutrients to
the plants roots.
It is supposed to bind to the soil and remain active for years

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