• H7 headlight bulb - so much choice! Which is "best"?

    From David@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 18 16:49:22 2025
    I've blown a headlight bulb in my 2009 VW Touareg.
    Manual says H7.
    Checking on line, there is a bewildering variety of choices.

    LED or halogen (I assume)

    Some are "super bright" or for example Philips Racing Vision GT200 H7
    +200%.
    Osram Night Breaker Laser H7, +150% more brightness.

    The lights aren't that effective, but that could be the reflectors and
    lenses.

    Are these extra bright bulbs worth it?

    I assume that I would have to replace both sides if I went away from
    standard bulbs.

    Because you have to remove the whole headlight unit to replace the bulbs,
    I am weighing up getting someone like Halfords to do the swap.

    Ho hum



    Dave R

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to David on Tue Mar 18 17:10:54 2025
    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
    I've blown a headlight bulb in my 2009 VW Touareg.
    Manual says H7.
    Checking on line, there is a bewildering variety of choices.

    LED or halogen (I assume)

    LED headlights are illegal unless the car is designed for them.

    Some are "super bright" or for example Philips Racing Vision GT200 H7
    +200%.
    Osram Night Breaker Laser H7, +150% more brightness.

    The lights aren't that effective, but that could be the reflectors and lenses.

    Are these extra bright bulbs worth it?

    Do you actually need the lights to be brighter? There appears to be an arms race into making headlights brighter which is just dazzling more drivers.

    Are the lenses clouded - could they do with a buff?

    I assume that I would have to replace both sides if I went away from
    standard bulbs.

    Yes, otherwise it would look very odd and the beam pattern would be
    weird.

    Because you have to remove the whole headlight unit to replace the bulbs,
    I am weighing up getting someone like Halfords to do the swap.

    Possibly wise, especially if they'll include fitting in the price of the
    bulbs.

    Theo

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  • From Gordy@21:1/5 to David on Tue Mar 18 18:58:50 2025
    On 18/03/2025 16:49, David wrote:
    I've blown a headlight bulb in my 2009 VW Touareg.
    Manual says H7.
    Checking on line, there is a bewildering variety of choices.

    LED or halogen (I assume)

    Some are "super bright" or for example Philips Racing Vision GT200 H7
    +200%.
    Osram Night Breaker Laser H7, +150% more brightness.

    The lights aren't that effective, but that could be the reflectors and lenses.

    Are these extra bright bulbs worth it?

    I assume that I would have to replace both sides if I went away from
    standard bulbs.

    Because you have to remove the whole headlight unit to replace the bulbs,
    I am weighing up getting someone like Halfords to do the swap.

    Ho hum



    Dave R

    The Headlamps on my 2012 Seat Toledo are awful (also H7), I have tried
    130% brighter and they didn't seem to make much difference.

    For some reason the Seat seems to eat bulbs, but as main and dipped beam
    both use H7 I usually go for a pack of 10 standard lamps off ebay

    Not much help, but my experience.

    On a side note I don't really know why the lights are so bad, they seem misaligned to me and point too far to the left, but I ask at every MOT
    if the alignment is OK and it always is. Interestingly looking at the
    first MOT 3 years from when it was new headlight alignment was the only
    thing it failed on

    Gordon

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Theo on Tue Mar 18 18:16:55 2025
    On 18 Mar 2025 17:10:54 +0000 (GMT)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
    I've blown a headlight bulb in my 2009 VW Touareg.
    Manual says H7.
    Checking on line, there is a bewildering variety of choices.

    LED or halogen (I assume)

    LED headlights are illegal unless the car is designed for them.

    Some are "super bright" or for example Philips Racing Vision GT200
    H7 +200%.
    Osram Night Breaker Laser H7, +150% more brightness.

    The lights aren't that effective, but that could be the reflectors
    and lenses.

    Are these extra bright bulbs worth it?

    Do you actually need the lights to be brighter? There appears to be
    an arms race into making headlights brighter which is just dazzling
    more drivers.

    The old Construction and Use laws specified brightness in optical units,
    and this was generally 'interpreted' to lamp power. I don't know what
    the current, no doubt EU, regulations say but if they are sane they
    will also specify in optical units. Unusually bright lamps, even of
    the same technology, may not be legal.

    Are the lenses clouded - could they do with a buff?

    I assume that I would have to replace both sides if I went away
    from standard bulbs.

    Yes, otherwise it would look very odd and the beam pattern would be
    weird.

    Because you have to remove the whole headlight unit to replace the
    bulbs, I am weighing up getting someone like Halfords to do the
    swap.

    Possibly wise, especially if they'll include fitting in the price of
    the bulbs.


    I believe there is one fairly common car, I forget which, where it is
    necessary to remove the alternator to replace one headlight bulb.
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    Joe

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Gordy on Tue Mar 18 19:15:06 2025
    Gordy wrote:

    The Headlamps on my 2012 Seat Toledo are awful (also H7), I have tried
    130% brighter

    Are the 130% ones still 55W, or actually 71W?

    Is the "brighter" just a special bluey whiteness from a coloured sleeve?

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  • From Tim+@21:1/5 to Joe on Tue Mar 18 18:22:27 2025
    Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    I believe there is one fairly common car, I forget which, where it is necessary to remove the alternator to replace one headlight bulb.

    Not a new phenomenon though. I believe that the Citroen DS headlight bulbs
    were a nightmare. ;-)

    Generally though, most bulb replacement has got easier over the years (in
    my experience).

    Tim

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Joe on Tue Mar 18 18:41:22 2025
    Joe wrote:

    I don't know what the current, no doubt EU, regulations say

    More likely UN than EU

    <https://unece.org/transportvehicle-regulations/working-party-lighting-and-light-signalling-introduction>

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Gordy on Tue Mar 18 21:24:40 2025
    Gordy <joe.blogs@home.com> wrote:
    On a side note I don't really know why the lights are so bad, they seem misaligned to me and point too far to the left, but I ask at every MOT
    if the alignment is OK and it always is. Interestingly looking at the
    first MOT 3 years from when it was new headlight alignment was the only
    thing it failed on

    Headlights are designed to light the verge more than light oncoming
    traffic - ie they point to the left by design. Are you sure they aren't
    doing what they're designed to?

    Theo

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  • From me9@21:1/5 to Gordy on Tue Mar 18 22:01:26 2025
    Gordy <joe.blogs@home.com> wrote:

    For some reason the Seat seems to eat bulbs, but as main and dipped beam
    both use H7 I usually go for a pack of 10 standard lamps off ebay

    Not much help, but my experience.

    My Nissan ate bulbs, from not long out of warranty. After about 4 years the battery failed. A new battery was fitted. No more bulb failures while I had
    the car (another 5 years).
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Mar 19 06:36:34 2025
    On 18/03/2025 21:24, Theo wrote:
    Gordy <joe.blogs@home.com> wrote:
    On a side note I don't really know why the lights are so bad, they seem
    misaligned to me and point too far to the left, but I ask at every MOT
    if the alignment is OK and it always is. Interestingly looking at the
    first MOT 3 years from when it was new headlight alignment was the only
    thing it failed on

    Headlights are designed to light the verge more than light oncoming
    traffic - ie they point to the left by design. Are you sure they aren't doing what they're designed to?

    Theo
    I think 'MOT compliant' and 'usable on unlit roads with oncoming traffic
    ' have never been the same thing...

    And age makes the problem worse. Old eyes don't adapt to rapid light
    changes very well and cataracts make things even worse...

    Worst of all are country roads with no white lines at all. Where the
    edge of the road and its centre are completely undistinguishable...

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Mar 19 08:30:52 2025
    On 18 Mar 2025 21:24:40 +0000 (GMT)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Gordy <joe.blogs@home.com> wrote:
    On a side note I don't really know why the lights are so bad, they
    seem misaligned to me and point too far to the left, but I ask at
    every MOT if the alignment is OK and it always is. Interestingly
    looking at the first MOT 3 years from when it was new headlight
    alignment was the only thing it failed on

    Headlights are designed to light the verge more than light oncoming
    traffic - ie they point to the left by design. Are you sure they
    aren't doing what they're designed to?


    They should also have a weak beam upwards to the left, to illuminate
    signposts.

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  • From nib@21:1/5 to Joe on Wed Mar 19 09:20:13 2025
    On 2025-03-19 08:30, Joe wrote:
    On 18 Mar 2025 21:24:40 +0000 (GMT)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Gordy <joe.blogs@home.com> wrote:
    On a side note I don't really know why the lights are so bad, they
    seem misaligned to me and point too far to the left, but I ask at
    every MOT if the alignment is OK and it always is. Interestingly
    looking at the first MOT 3 years from when it was new headlight
    alignment was the only thing it failed on

    Headlights are designed to light the verge more than light oncoming
    traffic - ie they point to the left by design. Are you sure they
    aren't doing what they're designed to?


    They should also have a weak beam upwards to the left, to illuminate signposts.


    This sort of shape:

    https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/the-mot-headlamp-aim-test-is-changing/

    nib

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  • From Gordy@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Mar 19 19:24:04 2025
    On 18/03/2025 19:15, Andy Burns wrote:
    Gordy wrote:

    The Headlamps on my 2012 Seat Toledo are awful (also H7), I have tried
    130% brighter

    Are the 130% ones still 55W, or actually 71W?

    Is the "brighter" just a special bluey whiteness from a coloured sleeve?


    I think they were still 55W so I guess it was just the color temp that
    was different

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  • From Gordy@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Mar 19 19:24:21 2025
    On 18/03/2025 21:24, Theo wrote:
    Gordy <joe.blogs@home.com> wrote:
    On a side note I don't really know why the lights are so bad, they seem
    misaligned to me and point too far to the left, but I ask at every MOT
    if the alignment is OK and it always is. Interestingly looking at the
    first MOT 3 years from when it was new headlight alignment was the only
    thing it failed on

    Headlights are designed to light the verge more than light oncoming
    traffic - ie they point to the left by design. Are you sure they aren't doing what they're designed to?

    Theo

    I agree, but I have never had a car that only lights up the verge, it
    should at least light up my side of the road for a distance in front of
    the car

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  • From Malcolm Loades@21:1/5 to Joe on Wed Mar 19 21:44:12 2025
    On 18/03/2025 18:16, Joe wrote:

    I believe there is one fairly common car, I forget which, where it is necessary to remove the alternator to replace one headlight bulb.

    On my 2001 Rover 75 access to the bulb was from inside the wheel arch.
    So difficult that it was only possible after removing the wheel. Bulb
    failures and punctures were never coordinated.

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  • From David@21:1/5 to David on Fri Mar 21 13:05:12 2025
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:49:22 +0000, David wrote:

    I've blown a headlight bulb in my 2009 VW Touareg.
    Manual says H7.
    Checking on line, there is a bewildering variety of choices.

    LED or halogen (I assume)

    Some are "super bright" or for example Philips Racing Vision GT200 H7
    +200%.
    Osram Night Breaker Laser H7, +150% more brightness.

    The lights aren't that effective, but that could be the reflectors and lenses.

    Are these extra bright bulbs worth it?

    I assume that I would have to replace both sides if I went away from
    standard bulbs.

    Because you have to remove the whole headlight unit to replace the
    bulbs,
    I am weighing up getting someone like Halfords to do the swap.

    Ho hum

    Ended up just replacing with a standard Osram bulb.

    Anything else seemed too complicated.

    Cheers



    Dave R



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