• Re: Broken bit in microwave oven

    From David Wade@21:1/5 to PeterC on Mon Mar 31 18:22:26 2025
    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:
    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's never had more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium, but obviously not metal, and clips into 2 little hook-type things.
    I can't see any way of repairing it - and would be wary of using wrong material. I don't know what it's called so can't look for a new one - looks like new oven time!

    Any ideas, please?

    Often there are "Parts Catalogues" for Domestic Appliances which show
    all the parts in exploded views. This is the one for my NEFF..

    https://www.neff-home.com/uk/supportdetail/product/C17MR02G0/91#/Tabs=section-spareparts/

    Dave

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to PeterC on Mon Mar 31 19:01:35 2025
    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:
    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's never had more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium, but obviously not metal, and clips into 2 little hook-type things.
    I can't see any way of repairing it - and would be wary of using wrong material. I don't know what it's called so can't look for a new one - looks like new oven time!

    Any ideas, please?

    <https://www.amazon.co.uk/microwave-waveguide-cover/s?k=microwave+waveguide+cover>

    --
    Jeff

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Mar 31 19:26:22 2025
    On 31/03/2025 19:12, Andy Burns wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:

    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's
    never had
    more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium

    I though they were mica?

    I don't think they "do" anything apart from keep stuff out of the tube
    side?


    Yes it's a mica sheet and generic sheets are available from many sources

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=Microwave+mica+sheet

    Although it flakes a bit it's possible to cut them to size with scissors
    or a sharp craft knife. Possibly worth getting two sheets - on to
    practice on. You may be lucky and find a sheet cut for the microwave model.

    What I found is that if a food cover is not used on fatty food the fat
    sticks to the mica and over time carbonises which in turn results in a
    burn hole in the sheet.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Mon Mar 31 20:06:40 2025
    On 31/03/2025 19:01, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:
    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's
    never had
    more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium, but obviously not metal, and clips
    into 2
    little hook-type things.
    I can't see any way of repairing it - and would be wary of using wrong
    material. I don't know what it's called so can't look for a new one -
    looks
    like new oven time!

    Any ideas, please?

    <https://www.amazon.co.uk/microwave-waveguide-cover/s?k=microwave+waveguide+cover>

    Handy to know. Ta.

    --
    “It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on
    intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is
    futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into,
    we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a
    power-directed system of thought.”
    Sir Roger Scruton

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Pamela on Mon Mar 31 20:20:26 2025
    On Mon, 3/31/2025 3:18 PM, Pamela wrote:
    On 19:26 31 Mar 2025, alan_m said:
    On 31/03/2025 19:12, Andy Burns wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:

    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's
    never had more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation. It
    looks like textured aluminium

    I though they were mica?

    I don't think they "do" anything apart from keep stuff out of the
    tube side?


    Yes it's a mica sheet and generic sheets are available from many
    sources

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=Microwave+mica+sheet

    Although it flakes a bit it's possible to cut them to size with
    scissors or a sharp craft knife. Possibly worth getting two sheets -
    on to practice on. You may be lucky and find a sheet cut for the
    microwave model.

    What I found is that if a food cover is not used on fatty food the fat
    sticks to the mica and over time carbonises which in turn results in a
    burn hole in the sheet.

    Over-enthusiastic cleaning of my microwave resulted in the protective mica sheet coming loose. I taped it into position and have been more careful
    about not dislodging it.

    However the OP's mica sheet has broken in half and needs replacing.

    I notice some advice sites suggest keeping an eye on the sheet for burns or holes although I'm not sure how they would have occurred.


    This vid shows a typical defect.

    "Replacement guide" [ This just shows the square guide output, and there is no cutoff filter there ]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP7JjS8T-Nw

    You should buy more than one, while you practice cutting them.
    Since these are 90% mica and 10% resin, they're not nearly
    as evil as raw mica sheet is. Raw mica flakes with little
    provocation.

    If you get a "factory" one, then it is pre-cut. The only way
    you can foul up then, is if the microwave design requires you
    to "bend" the item to fit into the holder.

    You can stick your caliper on it, and measure the thickness
    of the original. A holder designed for a particular thickness of sheet,
    might not tolerate a thin one (wobbles a bit). Or a thick sheet
    might not fit at all.

    And the Panny one with the one screw, don't over-tighten that.
    This is not a job for a mechanic with an air-wrench. You can
    apply a lot of pressure to mica -- but it should be uniform
    pressure, not trying to tear a hole through the sheet. The
    screw would bruise all around the hole, if overtightened.

    By using one screw, there is no issue with the sheet going
    to high temperature during a run. There is enough slack it
    can expand (whatever the tempco is).

    Paul

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  • From PeterC@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 31 18:07:47 2025
    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's never had more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium, but obviously not metal, and clips into 2 little hook-type things.
    I can't see any way of repairing it - and would be wary of using wrong material. I don't know what it's called so can't look for a new one - looks like new oven time!

    Any ideas, please?
    --
    Peter.
    The gods will stay away
    whilst religions hold sway

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to PeterC on Mon Mar 31 19:12:55 2025
    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:

    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's never had more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium

    I though they were mica?

    I don't think they "do" anything apart from keep stuff out of the tube side?

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  • From Graham.@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 1 16:50:48 2025

    You should buy more than one, while you practice cutting them.
    Since these are 90% mica and 10% resin, they're not nearly
    as evil as raw mica sheet is. Raw mica flakes with little
    provocation.

    If you get a "factory" one, then it is pre-cut. The only way
    you can foul up then, is if the microwave design requires you
    to "bend" the item to fit into the holder.

    You can stick your caliper on it, and measure the thickness
    of the original. A holder designed for a particular thickness of sheet,
    might not tolerate a thin one (wobbles a bit). Or a thick sheet
    might not fit at all.

    And the Panny one with the one screw, don't over-tighten that.
    This is not a job for a mechanic with an air-wrench. You can
    apply a lot of pressure to mica -- but it should be uniform
    pressure, not trying to tear a hole through the sheet. The
    screw would bruise all around the hole, if overtightened.

    By using one screw, there is no issue with the sheet going
    to high temperature during a run. There is enough slack it
    can expand (whatever the tempco is).

    Paul

    I thought they were natural mica, I didn't know they had a resin
    component.
    We used to buy sheets of it and cut to size.

    Fun fact, a stack of sheets makes an awesome Rolf Harris Wobble-Board.

    --
    G

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  • From PeterC@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Tue Apr 1 17:39:11 2025
    On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 19:01:35 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:
    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's never had >> more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium, but obviously not metal, and clips into 2 >> little hook-type things.
    I can't see any way of repairing it - and would be wary of using wrong
    material. I don't know what it's called so can't look for a new one - looks >> like new oven time!

    Any ideas, please?

    <https://www.amazon.co.uk/microwave-waveguide-cover/s?k=microwave+waveguide+cover>

    Great - now I know what it's called I can look for one (or more - mine has
    to be flexed to get it in).
    --
    Peter.
    The gods will stay away
    whilst religions hold sway

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  • From PeterC@21:1/5 to David Wade on Tue Apr 1 17:37:21 2025
    On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 18:22:26 +0100, David Wade wrote:

    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:
    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's never had >> more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium, but obviously not metal, and clips into 2 >> little hook-type things.
    I can't see any way of repairing it - and would be wary of using wrong
    material. I don't know what it's called so can't look for a new one - looks >> like new oven time!

    Any ideas, please?

    Often there are "Parts Catalogues" for Domestic Appliances which show
    all the parts in exploded views. This is the one for my NEFF..

    https://www.neff-home.com/uk/supportdetail/product/C17MR02G0/91#/Tabs=section-spareparts/

    Dave

    Cheers, I'll have a searh.
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    Peter.
    The gods will stay away
    whilst religions hold sway

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Apr 2 11:23:03 2025
    On 31/03/2025 19:12, Andy Burns wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:

    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's
    never had
    more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium

    I though they were mica?

    I don't think they "do" anything apart from keep stuff out of the tube
    side?

    Why does it have to be mica? Surely any reasonably heat resistant
    insulator would do. My Daewoo oven has some kind of moulded pale grey panel.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Wed Apr 2 11:33:12 2025
    On 02/04/2025 11:23, Max Demian wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 19:12, Andy Burns wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:

    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's
    never had
    more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium

    I though they were mica?

    I don't think they "do" anything apart from keep stuff out of the tube
    side?

    Why does it have to be mica? Surely any reasonably heat resistant
    insulator would do. My Daewoo oven has some kind of moulded pale grey
    panel.

    Mica has some very good dielectric properties that stop it getting hot.

    Other insulators are not as good

    --
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    returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

    Mark Twain

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  • From Tim+@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Wed Apr 2 11:10:42 2025
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 19:12, Andy Burns wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:

    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's
    never had
    more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium

    I though they were mica?

    I don't think they "do" anything apart from keep stuff out of the tube
    side?

    Why does it have to be mica? Surely any reasonably heat resistant
    insulator would do. My Daewoo oven has some kind of moulded pale grey panel.


    Maybe for dual function microwave ovens that contain a grill element?

    Tim

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Wed Apr 2 13:33:02 2025
    On 02/04/2025 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 02/04/2025 11:23, Max Demian wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 19:12, Andy Burns wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:

    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's
    never had
    more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium

    I though they were mica?

    I don't think they "do" anything apart from keep stuff out of the
    tube side?

    Why does it have to be mica? Surely any reasonably heat resistant
    insulator would do. My Daewoo oven has some kind of moulded pale grey
    panel.

    Mica has some very good dielectric properties that stop it getting hot.

    Other insulators are not as good


    Some consideration has to be given to what gets attached to the surface
    of the cover. Unless the food is religiously covered while cooking the
    surface of the cover is going to get a layer of splattered food,
    especially splattered fat. It's this layer that continues to cook and
    gets hotter while the microwave is on. The most common failure of the
    cover is a burn through where the seed was the splattered food getting carbonised and burning.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Wed Apr 2 18:17:41 2025
    On 02/04/2025 11:23, Max Demian wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 19:12, Andy Burns wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:

    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's
    never had
    more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium

    I though they were mica?

    I don't think they "do" anything apart from keep stuff out of the tube
    side?

    Why does it have to be mica? Surely any reasonably heat resistant
    insulator would do. My Daewoo oven has some kind of moulded pale grey
    panel.

    Here is my microwave guide cover: https://www.flickr.com/photos/22979049@N07/54426815350/

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From PeterC@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 2 18:23:37 2025
    On Wed, 2 Apr 2025 13:33:02 +0100, alan_m wrote:

    On 02/04/2025 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 02/04/2025 11:23, Max Demian wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 19:12, Andy Burns wrote:
    On 31/03/2025 18:07, PeterC wrote:

    The 'window' covering the microwave inlet has broken in half. It's
    never had
    more than a gentle wipe when removing condensation.
    It looks like textured aluminium

    I though they were mica?

    I don't think they "do" anything apart from keep stuff out of the
    tube side?

    Why does it have to be mica? Surely any reasonably heat resistant
    insulator would do. My Daewoo oven has some kind of moulded pale grey
    panel.

    Mica has some very good dielectric properties that stop it getting hot.

    Other insulators are not as good


    Some consideration has to be given to what gets attached to the surface
    of the cover. Unless the food is religiously covered while cooking the surface of the cover is going to get a layer of splattered food,
    especially splattered fat. It's this layer that continues to cook and
    gets hotter while the microwave is on. The most common failure of the
    cover is a burn through where the seed was the splattered food getting carbonised and burning.

    I cook very little fat and always cover food, except for a30 sec warm-up.
    I've found some covers, thanks to informarion posted here. Will continue
    searh after half a bottle of rum has cleared my system!
    --
    Peter.
    The gods will stay away
    whilst religions hold sway

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Wed Apr 2 12:33:21 2025
    Max Demian wrote:

    Why does it have to be mica? Surely any reasonably heat resistant
    insulator would do.

    RF transparent at microwave frequencies, but then (see capenhurst tower)
    so is fibreglass ...

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