I have occasionally used the Timpson's in our local town to get spare
keys cut. I have always been happy with the service.
I need to get a spare key cut, for my neighbour to have access to my
house if necessary, and as I was checking out of Tesco's, I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out about
'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there was zero indication of what the price of any number of keys would be, whether
20p or £20 per item.
The key I need copied is a bog-standard Yale-type door lock 5-tumbler
key.
I followed the instructions, put the key in the little box on the front
of the machine, then turned the key over, and straightened it out when
told to. The machine scanned my key and then told me that it could not
make my key. It gave no explanation, but suggested that I scan a QR
code for a list of nearby shops. Since I a) don't carry a 'smart'
'phone, and b) I know where the shop is in town, I declined this
pointless offer.
Sorry, Timpson's, not impressed.
It's almost as though it was programmed by AI. It tried, but missed the
point entirely.
How come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it going
to yield a profit...
You could use the same argument for not spending money on wheelchair
access, disabled toilets, or any number of assistive technologies....
On 05/04/2025 10:38, Davey wrote:
I have occasionally used the Timpson's in our local town to get spare
keys cut. I have always been happy with the service.
I need to get a spare key cut, for my neighbour to have access to my
house if necessary, and as I was checking out of Tesco's, I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out about
'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there was zero
indication of what the price of any number of keys would be, whether
20p or £20 per item.
The key I need copied is a bog-standard Yale-type door lock 5-tumbler
key.
I followed the instructions, put the key in the little box on the front
of the machine, then turned the key over, and straightened it out when
told to. The machine scanned my key and then told me that it could not
make my key. It gave no explanation, but suggested that I scan a QR
code for a list of nearby shops. Since I a) don't carry a 'smart'
'phone, and b) I know where the shop is in town, I declined this
pointless offer.
Well some statistics show 94% of the population have smart phones. The
QR code would not only list the nearby shops, but also let you get
directions to them...
Sorry, Timpson's, not impressed.
It's almost as though it was programmed by AI. It tried, but missed the
point entirely.
How come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it going to
yield a profit...
On 05/04/2025 10:38, Davey wrote:
I have occasionally used the Timpson's in our local town to get spare
keys cut. I have always been happy with the service.
I need to get a spare key cut, for my neighbour to have access to my
house if necessary, and as I was checking out of Tesco's, I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out about
'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there was zero
indication of what the price of any number of keys would be, whether
20p or £20 per item.
The key I need copied is a bog-standard Yale-type door lock 5-tumbler
key.
I followed the instructions, put the key in the little box on the front
of the machine, then turned the key over, and straightened it out when
told to. The machine scanned my key and then told me that it could not
make my key. It gave no explanation, but suggested that I scan a QR
code for a list of nearby shops. Since I a) don't carry a 'smart'
'phone, and b) I know where the shop is in town, I declined this
pointless offer.
Well some statistics show 94% of the population have smart phones. The
QR code would not only list the nearby shops, but also let you get
directions to them...
Sorry, Timpson's, not impressed.
It's almost as though it was programmed by AI. It tried, but missed the
point entirely.
How come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it going to
yield a profit...
Dave
On 05/04/2025 10:50, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 10:38, Davey wrote:Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I have occasionally used the Timpson's in our local town to get spare
keys cut. I have always been happy with the service.
I need to get a spare key cut, for my neighbour to have access to my
house if necessary, and as I was checking out of Tesco's, I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out about
'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there was zero
indication of what the price of any number of keys would be, whether
20p or £20 per item.
The key I need copied is a bog-standard Yale-type door lock 5-tumbler
key.
I followed the instructions, put the key in the little box on the front
of the machine, then turned the key over, and straightened it out when
told to. The machine scanned my key and then told me that it could not
make my key. It gave no explanation, but suggested that I scan a QR
code for a list of nearby shops. Since I a) don't carry a 'smart'
'phone, and b) I know where the shop is in town, I declined this
pointless offer.
Well some statistics show 94% of the population have smart phones. The
QR code would not only list the nearby shops, but also let you get
directions to them...
Sorry, Timpson's, not impressed.
It's almost as though it was programmed by AI. It tried, but missed the
point entirely.
How come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it going
to yield a profit...
Dave
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food etc. I suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code. Its the one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all versions of IOS.
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food etc. I
suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code. Its the >> one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all
versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
<snip>I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid lockSmart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food etc.
I suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code.
Its the one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and
all all versions of IOS.
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid lock >>> down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food etc. I >>> suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code. Its the >>> one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all
versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
On 05/04/2025 15:31, Tim+ wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid
lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food
etc. I
suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code.
Its the
one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all >>>> versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
What is this 'Google Lens' they mention ?
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid
lock down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order
food etc. I suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a
QR code. Its the one thing that pretty much works across all brands of
phone and all all versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
On 05/04/2025 15:50, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 05/04/2025 15:31, Tim+ wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid lock >>>>> down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food etc. I >>>>> suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code.
Its the
one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all >>>>> versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
What is this 'Google Lens' they mention ?
https://www.hmd.com/en_int/support/nokia-4-2-user-guide/camera-basics
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 10:50, David Wade wrote:
Well some statistics show 94% of the population have smart phones.
The QR code would not only list the nearby shops, but also let you
get directions to them...
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food etc.
I suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code.
Its the one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and
all all versions of IOS.
On 05/04/2025 15:09, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid
lock down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order
food etc. I suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a
QR code. Its the one thing that pretty much works across all brands of
phone and all all versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Google Lens.
On 05/04/2025 11:25, John Rumm wrote:
How come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it going
to yield a profit...
You could use the same argument for not spending money on wheelchair
access, disabled toilets, or any number of assistive technologies....
There are laws requiring reasonable accommodation for the needs of
disabled people. Businesses do as required, despite it costing them
money. There's no law requiring help for people who choose not to carry
a smart phone.
On 05/04/2025 16:38, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 15:50, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 05/04/2025 15:31, Tim+ wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since
Covid lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food >>>>>> etc. I
suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR
code. Its the
one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and
all all
versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
What is this 'Google Lens' they mention ?
https://www.hmd.com/en_int/support/nokia-4-2-user-guide/camera-basics
I click the unhelpful 'four squares' icon, then the equally
unintuitive 'circle in a square' icon with 'Lens' underneath, and
nothing happens.
(and really, we are supposed to watch a video and read a page of a
manual in a Tesco to be told 'timpson.co.uk' ?)
On 05/04/2025 12:10, GB wrote:
On 05/04/2025 11:25, John Rumm wrote:
How come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it going
to yield a profit...
You could use the same argument for not spending money on wheelchair
access, disabled toilets, or any number of assistive technologies....
There are laws requiring reasonable accommodation for the needs of
disabled people. Businesses do as required, despite it costing them
money. There's no law requiring help for people who choose not to
carry a smart phone.
The moral case remains much the same - there will be many who are unable
to use a mobile because of disability.
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food etc.
I suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code.
Its the one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and
all all versions of IOS.
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid lock >>> down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food etc. I >>> suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code. Its the >>> one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all
versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
Tim
It works in the Google Camera app which I think it's pretty standard on Android.
On 05/04/2025 17:49, John Rumm wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:10, GB wrote:I can't, if I don't carry reading glasses with me.
On 05/04/2025 11:25, John Rumm wrote:
How come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it
going to yield a profit...
You could use the same argument for not spending money on wheelchair
access, disabled toilets, or any number of assistive technologies....
There are laws requiring reasonable accommodation for the needs of
disabled people. Businesses do as required, despite it costing them
money. There's no law requiring help for people who choose not to
carry a smart phone.
The moral case remains much the same - there will be many who are
unable to use a mobile because of disability.
Do I count as an invalid who is being discriminated against?
On 05/04/2025 17:49, John Rumm wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:10, GB wrote:I can't, if I don't carry reading glasses with me.
On 05/04/2025 11:25, John Rumm wrote:
There are laws requiring reasonable accommodation for the needs ofHow come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it going >>>>> to yield a profit...
You could use the same argument for not spending money on wheelchair
access, disabled toilets, or any number of assistive technologies....
disabled people. Businesses do as required, despite it costing them
money. There's no law requiring help for people who choose not to
carry a smart phone.
The moral case remains much the same - there will be many who are
unable to use a mobile because of disability.
Do I count as an invalid who is being discriminated against?
On 05/04/2025 19:59, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 05/04/2025 17:49, John Rumm wrote:Of course.
On 05/04/2025 12:10, GB wrote:I can't, if I don't carry reading glasses with me.
On 05/04/2025 11:25, John Rumm wrote:
There are laws requiring reasonable accommodation for the needs ofHow come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it
going to yield a profit...
You could use the same argument for not spending money on wheelchair >>>>> access, disabled toilets, or any number of assistive technologies.... >>>>
disabled people. Businesses do as required, despite it costing them
money. There's no law requiring help for people who choose not to
carry a smart phone.
The moral case remains much the same - there will be many who are
unable to use a mobile because of disability.
Do I count as an invalid who is being discriminated against?
Basically The ModernWorld™ requires that you carry a £1000 I-phone with you at all times in order to be able to interact with society.
On 5 Apr 2025 at 20:18:51 BST, "The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 05/04/2025 19:59, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 05/04/2025 17:49, John Rumm wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:10, GB wrote:
On 05/04/2025 11:25, John Rumm wrote:
There are laws requiring reasonable accommodation for the needs ofHow come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it
going to yield a profit...
You could use the same argument for not spending money on wheelchair >>>>>> access, disabled toilets, or any number of assistive technologies.... >>>>>
disabled people. Businesses do as required, despite it costing them
money. There's no law requiring help for people who choose not to
carry a smart phone.
The moral case remains much the same - there will be many who are
unable to use a mobile because of disability.
I can't, if I don't carry reading glasses with me.Of course.
Do I count as an invalid who is being discriminated against?
Basically The ModernWorld™ requires that you carry a £1000 I-phone with >> you at all times in order to be able to interact with society.
Quite. Well, my view is knickers to that. Which is why I went back to using my
£30 clamshell and put my main number back on it.
However it has to be said that WhatsApp is, annoyingly, quite useful. So I followed Theo's advice and use my old iPhone as a burner with an O2 PAYG SIM for WhatsApp only.
I stoutly resist attempts to force me to download apps.
On 05/04/2025 21:21, Tim Streater wrote:
On 5 Apr 2025 at 20:18:51 BST, "The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 05/04/2025 19:59, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 05/04/2025 17:49, John Rumm wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:10, GB wrote:
On 05/04/2025 11:25, John Rumm wrote:
There are laws requiring reasonable accommodation for the needs of >>>>>> disabled people. Businesses do as required, despite it costing them >>>>>> money. There's no law requiring help for people who choose not to >>>>>> carry a smart phone.How come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it >>>>>>>> going to yield a profit...
You could use the same argument for not spending money on wheelchair >>>>>>> access, disabled toilets, or any number of assistive technologies.... >>>>>>
The moral case remains much the same - there will be many who are
unable to use a mobile because of disability.
There are also many with impaired vision who would find a QR code useful instead of having to type a URL. I know many who rely on their
Smartphones to navigate the world. It has speech recognition so they
don't have to type.
I can't, if I don't carry reading glasses with me.Of course.
Do I count as an invalid who is being discriminated against?
Basically The ModernWorld™ requires that you carry a £1000 I-phone with >>> you at all times in order to be able to interact with society.
Not really. You can get a re-furbished phone that works well for under
£200, probably yes.
Quite. Well, my view is knickers to that. Which is why I went back to using my
£30 clamshell and put my main number back on it.
However it has to be said that WhatsApp is, annoyingly, quite useful. So I >> followed Theo's advice and use my old iPhone as a burner with an O2 PAYG SIM >> for WhatsApp only.
I stoutly resist attempts to force me to download apps.
I expect your old iPhone will read QR codes and navigate you to the
nearest Timpson's without downloading any apps...
On 05/04/2025 18:14, Theo wrote:
It works in the Google Camera app which I think it's pretty standard on
Android.
No. It doesn't. Not in mine.
On 5 Apr 2025 at 20:18:51 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
Basically The ModernWorld™ requires that you carry a £1000 I-phone with >>> you at all times in order to be able to interact with society.
Not really. You can get a re-furbished phone that works well for under
£200, probably yes.
On 05/04/2025 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 18:14, Theo wrote:I've tried this on 2 ancient Android phones and a 2019 vintage Wileyfox
It works in the Google Camera app which I think it's pretty standard on
Android.
No. It doesn't. Not in mine.
with Linageos (Android *) can read QRcodes and barcodes using the
standard camera app.
A Motorola Moto G6 Play (2020 vintage Android 9) the standard camera app reads QR codes.
A current(ish) Motorola Motog53 Android 14 (updated yesterday with some
OTA stuff, probably AI shite) again, the standard camera app reads QR
codes. And it reads them really fast compared to the other 2.
But if you have a J330 and are still using it, then run, don't walk, to
the BBC and get it on Antiques Roadshow. In fact it was probably a
valuable antique when Arthur Negus was presenting Going For a Song and
he's been dead for 40 years :-)
On Sat, 05 Apr 2025 19:59:36 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 05/04/2025 17:49, John Rumm wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:10, GB wrote:I can't, if I don't carry reading glasses with me.
On 05/04/2025 11:25, John Rumm wrote:
There are laws requiring reasonable accommodation for the needs ofHow come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it going >>>>>> to yield a profit...
You could use the same argument for not spending money on wheelchair >>>>> access, disabled toilets, or any number of assistive technologies.... >>>>>
disabled people. Businesses do as required, despite it costing them
money. There's no law requiring help for people who choose not to
carry a smart phone.
The moral case remains much the same - there will be many who are
unable to use a mobile because of disability.
Do I count as an invalid who is being discriminated against?
I have that probkem but just carry a monocle.
On 05/04/2025 21:35, David Wade wrote:
On 5 Apr 2025 at 20:18:51 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
Basically The ModernWorld™ requires that you carry a £1000 I-phone with >>>> you at all times in order to be able to interact with society.
Not really. You can get a re-furbished phone that works well for under
£200, probably yes.
I think you are missing the point.
A curmudgeonly grumble must have a greatly inflated number attached to it.
On 05/04/2025 21:35, David Wade wrote:
On 5 Apr 2025 at 20:18:51 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
Basically The ModernWorld™ requires that you carry a £1000 I-phone with >>>> you at all times in order to be able to interact with society.
Not really. You can get a re-furbished phone that works well for under
£200, probably yes.
I think you are missing the point.
A curmudgeonly grumble must have a greatly inflated number attached to it.
On 5 Apr 2025 at 21:35:58 BST, "David Wade" <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
wrote:
On 05/04/2025 21:21, Tim Streater wrote:
On 5 Apr 2025 at 20:18:51 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 19:59, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 05/04/2025 17:49, John Rumm wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:10, GB wrote:
On 05/04/2025 11:25, John Rumm wrote:
How come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is
it going to yield a profit...
You could use the same argument for not spending money on
wheelchair access, disabled toilets, or any number of
assistive technologies....
There are laws requiring reasonable accommodation for the
needs of disabled people. Businesses do as required, despite
it costing them money. There's no law requiring help for
people who choose not to carry a smart phone.
The moral case remains much the same - there will be many who
are unable to use a mobile because of disability.
There are also many with impaired vision who would find a QR code
useful instead of having to type a URL. I know many who rely on
their Smartphones to navigate the world. It has speech recognition
so they don't have to type.
I can't, if I don't carry reading glasses with me.Of course.
Do I count as an invalid who is being discriminated against?
Basically The ModernWorld™ requires that you carry a £1000
I-phone with you at all times in order to be able to interact
with society.
Not really. You can get a re-furbished phone that works well for
under £200, probably yes.
Quite. Well, my view is knickers to that. Which is why I went back
to using my £30 clamshell and put my main number back on it.
However it has to be said that WhatsApp is, annoyingly, quite
useful. So I followed Theo's advice and use my old iPhone as a
burner with an O2 PAYG SIM for WhatsApp only.
I stoutly resist attempts to force me to download apps.
I expect your old iPhone will read QR codes and navigate you to the
nearest Timpson's without downloading any apps...
I have no particular interest in going to any Timpson's. And I know
where the nearest one is, anyway.
On the occasions that I have been to visit a branch of Timpson's, I
have always been satisfied with the service. In this case, it would
have been more helpful, to more people, if they had presented a
list of nearby branches instead of a QR Code. There is only one
branch in town that is manned, unless you drive for nearly 20
miles, so the list would not have been too big.
It would, but that would require a visit to update when branches
open/close. With a QR Code can you satisfy 90% of your customers,
with a list that can be updated automatically. Why would you create
work for something that will deliver little reward. If you are really
why don't you e-mail the Chief Exec, he is apparently very customer
focused..
https://www.ceoemail.com/s.php?id=ceo-10726
On 5 Apr 2025 20:44:08 GMT
Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2025 at 21:35:58 BST, "David Wade" <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
wrote:
On 05/04/2025 21:21, Tim Streater wrote:
On 5 Apr 2025 at 20:18:51 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 19:59, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 05/04/2025 17:49, John Rumm wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:10, GB wrote:
On 05/04/2025 11:25, John Rumm wrote:
How come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is >>>>>>>>>> it going to yield a profit...
You could use the same argument for not spending money on
wheelchair access, disabled toilets, or any number of
assistive technologies....
There are laws requiring reasonable accommodation for the
needs of disabled people. Businesses do as required, despite
it costing them money. There's no law requiring help for
people who choose not to carry a smart phone.
The moral case remains much the same - there will be many who
are unable to use a mobile because of disability.
There are also many with impaired vision who would find a QR code
useful instead of having to type a URL. I know many who rely on
their Smartphones to navigate the world. It has speech recognition
so they don't have to type.
I can't, if I don't carry reading glasses with me.Of course.
Do I count as an invalid who is being discriminated against?
Basically The ModernWorld™ requires that you carry a £1000
I-phone with you at all times in order to be able to interact
with society.
Not really. You can get a re-furbished phone that works well for
under £200, probably yes.
Quite. Well, my view is knickers to that. Which is why I went back
to using my £30 clamshell and put my main number back on it.
However it has to be said that WhatsApp is, annoyingly, quite
useful. So I followed Theo's advice and use my old iPhone as a
burner with an O2 PAYG SIM for WhatsApp only.
I stoutly resist attempts to force me to download apps.
I expect your old iPhone will read QR codes and navigate you to the
nearest Timpson's without downloading any apps...
I have no particular interest in going to any Timpson's. And I know
where the nearest one is, anyway.
On the occasions that I have been to visit a branch of Timpson's, I have always been satisfied with the service. In this case, it would have
been more helpful, to more people, if they had presented a list of
nearby branches instead of a QR Code. There is only one branch in
town that is manned, unless you drive for nearly 20 miles, so the list
would not have been too big.
Davey wrote:As well as a QR code, they could print a simple URL that people could
it would have been more helpful, to more people, if they hadpresented a list of nearby branches instead of a QR Code.
that would require a visit to update when branches open/ close. With
a QR Code can you satisfy 90% of your customers, with a list
that can be updated automatically.
On 05/04/2025 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 18:14, Theo wrote:I've tried this on 2 ancient Android phones and a 2019 vintage Wileyfox
It works in the Google Camera app which I think it's pretty standard on
Android.
No. It doesn't. Not in mine.
with Linageos (Android *) can read QRcodes and barcodes using the
standard camera app.
A Motorola Moto G6 Play (2020 vintage Android 9) the standard camera app reads QR codes.
A current(ish) Motorola Motog53 Android 14 (updated yesterday with some
OTA stuff, probably AI shite) again, the standard camera app reads QR
codes. And it reads them really fast compared to the other 2.
But if you have a J330 and are still using it, then run, don't walk, to
the BBC and get it on Antiques Roadshow. In fact it was probably a
valuable antique when Arthur Negus was presenting Going For a Song and
he's been dead for 40 years :-)
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Nick Finnigan wrote:
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
There are apps for that ... hundreds of them ...
On the occasions that I have been to visit a branch of Timpson's, I
have always been satisfied with the service. In this case, it would
have been more helpful, to more people, if they had presented a
list of nearby branches instead of a QR Code. There is only one
branch in town that is manned, unless you drive for nearly 20
miles, so the list would not have been too big.
It would, but that would require a visit to update when branches
open/close. With a QR Code can you satisfy 90% of your customers,
with a list that can be updated automatically. Why would you create
work for something that will deliver little reward. If you are really
why don't you e-mail the Chief Exec, he is apparently very customer
focused..
https://www.ceoemail.com/s.php?id=ceo-10726
David Wade wrote:
Davey wrote:
it would have been more helpful, to more people, if they hadpresented a list of nearby branches instead of a QR Code.
that would require a visit to update when branches open/ close. WithAs well as a QR code, they could print a simple URL that people could memorise, scribble down or take a photo of ...
a QR Code can you satisfy 90% of your customers, with a list
that can be updated automatically.
<https://timpson.co.uk/stores>
If you allow location access in your browser, it might even find one
close to you, or close to your ISP's head office!
On 05/04/2025 18:14, Theo wrote:
It works in the Google Camera app which I think it's pretty standard on
Android.
No. It doesn't. Not in mine.
On 05/04/2025 11:25, John Rumm wrote:
How come? Why do something special for 6% of the market. Is it going
to yield a profit...
You could use the same argument for not spending money on wheelchair
access, disabled toilets, or any number of assistive technologies....
There are laws requiring reasonable accommodation for the needs of
disabled people. Businesses do as required, despite it costing them
money. There's no law requiring help for people who choose not to carry
a smart phone.
On 05/04/2025 15:31, Tim+ wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid
lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food
etc. I
suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code.
Its the
one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all >>>> versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
Tim
Not for a J330 that actually represents what my phone comes with
Last updated in 2021 apparently.
On 05/04/2025 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 15:31, Tim+ wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid
lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food
etc. I
suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code.
Its the
one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all >>>>> versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
Tim
Not for a J330 that actually represents what my phone comes with
Last updated in 2021 apparently.
The world marches on. Feel free to fall behind and become a bitter person.
I can be accused of being a Luddite in the past, and certainly not the
first to get a mod-con. I recently bought a nice S/H Xiaomi phone for
£50 and put LineageOS on it.
I suggest you update your mobile PDQ.
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 15:31, Tim+ wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid >>>>>> lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food >>>>>> etc. I
suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code. >>>>>> Its the
one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all >>>>>> versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
Tim
Not for a J330 that actually represents what my phone comes with
Last updated in 2021 apparently.
The world marches on. Feel free to fall behind and become a bitter person. >>
I can be accused of being a Luddite in the past, and certainly not the
first to get a mod-con. I recently bought a nice S/H Xiaomi phone for
£50 and put LineageOS on it.
I suggest you update your mobile PDQ.
Although not related to the smart phone V non-smart phone debate only in
the way that users are being pushed towards communication methods that they do not want to use and that is the trend for companies only offering to contact them using social media. I have never nor ever wish to use the
likes of faceache or twatter yet several times I have found that to contact some companies that has been the only method. First it was the withdrawal
of phone numbers now it seems email too.
On 05/04/2025 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 18:14, Theo wrote:I've tried this on 2 ancient Android phones and a 2019 vintage Wileyfox
It works in the Google Camera app which I think it's pretty standard
on Android.
No. It doesn't. Not in mine.
with Linageos (Android *) can read QRcodes and barcodes using the
standard camera app.
A Motorola Moto G6 Play (2020 vintage Android 9) the standard camera app reads QR codes.
A current(ish) Motorola Motog53 Android 14 (updated yesterday with some
OTA stuff, probably AI shite) again, the standard camera app reads QR
codes. And it reads them really fast compared to the other 2.
But if you have a J330 and are still using it, then run, don't walk, to
the BBC and get it on Antiques Roadshow. In fact it was probably a
valuable antique when Arthur Negus was presenting Going For a Song and
he's been dead for 40 years :-)
On 05/04/2025 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 15:31, Tim+ wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid
lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food
etc. I
suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code.
Its the
one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all >>>>> versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
Not for a J330 that actually represents what my phone comes with
Last updated in 2021 apparently.
The world marches on. Feel free to fall behind and become a bitter person.
I can be accused of being a Luddite in the past, and certainly not the
first to get a mod-con. I recently bought a nice S/H Xiaomi phone for
£50 and put LineageOS on it.
I suggest you update your mobile PDQ.
On Sat, 05 Apr 2025 23:45:42 +0100, mm0fmf wrote:
On 05/04/2025 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 18:14, Theo wrote:I've tried this on 2 ancient Android phones and a 2019 vintage Wileyfox
It works in the Google Camera app which I think it's pretty standard
on Android.
No. It doesn't. Not in mine.
with Linageos (Android *) can read QRcodes and barcodes using the
standard camera app.
A Motorola Moto G6 Play (2020 vintage Android 9) the standard camera app
reads QR codes.
A current(ish) Motorola Motog53 Android 14 (updated yesterday with some
OTA stuff, probably AI shite) again, the standard camera app reads QR
codes. And it reads them really fast compared to the other 2.
But if you have a J330 and are still using it, then run, don't walk, to
the BBC and get it on Antiques Roadshow. In fact it was probably a
valuable antique when Arthur Negus was presenting Going For a Song and
he's been dead for 40 years :-)
This has led me to test my phone.
realme 6 Pro
Android 11
The built in camera App does not read QR codes.
I had to install a 3rd party App.
So not all Android phones.
On 06/04/2025 10:11, Davey wrote:
On 5 Apr 2025 20:44:08 GMT
Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On the occasions that I have been to visit a branch of Timpson's, I have
always been satisfied with the service. In this case, it would have
been more helpful, to more people, if they had presented a list of
nearby branches instead of a QR Code. There is only one branch in
town that is manned, unless you drive for nearly 20 miles, so the list
would not have been too big.
It would, but that would require a visit to update when branches
open/close. With a QR Code can you satisfy 90% of your customers, with a
list that can be updated automatically. Why would you create work for something that will deliver little reward. If you are really why don't you e-mail the Chief Exec, he is apparently very customer focused..
On 06/04/2025 10:46, David Wade wrote:
On 06/04/2025 10:11, Davey wrote:
On 5 Apr 2025 20:44:08 GMT
Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On the occasions that I have been to visit a branch of Timpson's, I have >>> always been satisfied with the service. In this case, it would have
been more helpful, to more people, if they had presented a list of
nearby branches instead of a QR Code. There is only one branch in
town that is manned, unless you drive for nearly 20 miles, so the list
would not have been too big.
It would, but that would require a visit to update when branches
open/close. With a QR Code can you satisfy 90% of your customers, with
a list that can be updated automatically. Why would you create work
for something that will deliver little reward. If you are really why
don't you e-mail the Chief Exec, he is apparently very customer focused..
I don't know what this Self-service key machine looks like, but I was imagining it would be capable having an updated list of branches without
a visit, and displaying them at least as well as a mobile phone would.
On 6 Apr 2025 at 13:19:45 BST, "Fredxx" <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 15:31, Tim+ wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid >>>>>> lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food >>>>>> etc. I
suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code. >>>>>> Its the
one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all >>>>>> versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
Not for a J330 that actually represents what my phone comes with
Last updated in 2021 apparently.
The world marches on. Feel free to fall behind and become a bitter person. >>
I can be accused of being a Luddite in the past, and certainly not the
first to get a mod-con. I recently bought a nice S/H Xiaomi phone for
£50 and put LineageOS on it.
I suggest you update your mobile PDQ.
The salient point here is the number of apps and the pressure to use them. Every damn car park company has its own app, there's 3 or 4 for the NHS, there'll be one for every bank, for every sporting event and so it goes on. Pretty soon you have 50 apps on the phone and suddenly there's an app management issue. I've put a stop to that by turning my iPhone 6S into a WhatsApp burner with an O2 PAYG SIM, and the main mobile number back on the Doro.
SWMBO uses hers rather more, so we got her a new shiny yesterday (iPhone 16e).
Her old 6S was down to a battery life of under 24 hours.
On 05/04/2025 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 15:31, Tim+ wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid
lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food
etc. I
suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code.
Its the
one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all
all
versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
Tim
Not for a J330 that actually represents what my phone comes with
Last updated in 2021 apparently.
The world marches on. Feel free to fall behind and become a bitter person.
I can be accused of being a Luddite in the past, and certainly not the
first to get a mod-con. I recently bought a nice S/H Xiaomi phone for
£50 and put LineageOS on it.
I suggest you update your mobile PDQ.
On 05/04/2025 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 18:14, Theo wrote:
It works in the Google Camera app which I think it's pretty standard on
Android.
No. It doesn't. Not in mine.
Sometimes it has to be enabled in the camera app.
Alternatively get an App such as "QR Scanner". It isn't rocket science.
On 06/04/2025 13:31, Fredxx wrote:
On 05/04/2025 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Turnip doesn't have a camera app in his vintage phone, he's got the daguerreotype app. They don't do a QR scanner for that.
On 05/04/2025 18:14, Theo wrote:
It works in the Google Camera app which I think it's pretty standard on >>>> Android.
No. It doesn't. Not in mine.
Sometimes it has to be enabled in the camera app.
Alternatively get an App such as "QR Scanner". It isn't rocket science.
On 6 Apr 2025 at 13:19:45 BST, "Fredxx" <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 15:31, Tim+ wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid >>>>>> lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food >>>>>> etc. I
suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code. >>>>>> Its the
one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all >>>>>> versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
Not for a J330 that actually represents what my phone comes with
Last updated in 2021 apparently.
The world marches on. Feel free to fall behind and become a bitter person. >>
I can be accused of being a Luddite in the past, and certainly not the
first to get a mod-con. I recently bought a nice S/H Xiaomi phone for
£50 and put LineageOS on it.
I suggest you update your mobile PDQ.
The salient point here is the number of apps and the pressure to use them. Every damn car park company has its own app, there's 3 or 4 for the NHS, there'll be one for every bank, for every sporting event and so it goes on. Pretty soon you have 50 apps on the phone and suddenly there's an app management issue. I've put a stop to that by turning my iPhone 6S into a WhatsApp burner with an O2 PAYG SIM, and the main mobile number back on the Doro.
SWMBO uses hers rather more, so we got her a new shiny yesterday (iPhone 16e).
Her old 6S was down to a battery life of under 24 hours.
On 06/04/2025 14:27, Tim Streater wrote:
On 6 Apr 2025 at 13:19:45 BST, "Fredxx" <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 15:31, Tim+ wrote:
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/04/2025 14:19, David Wade wrote:
On 05/04/2025 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Smart phones of themselves do not read QR codes
I don't know of a Smartphone that can't read a QR code. Since Covid >>>>>>> lock
down and the use of QR codes to log access, read menus, order food >>>>>>> etc. I
suggest most any one with a Smartphone knows how to scan a QR code. >>>>>>> Its the
one thing that pretty much works across all brands of phone and all all >>>>>>> versions of IOS.
I have here a Nokia 4.2. How should I use it to scan a QR code?
Um, plenty of youtube videos showing you how.
Not for a J330 that actually represents what my phone comes with
Last updated in 2021 apparently.
The world marches on. Feel free to fall behind and become a bitter person. >>>
I can be accused of being a Luddite in the past, and certainly not the
first to get a mod-con. I recently bought a nice S/H Xiaomi phone for
£50 and put LineageOS on it.
I suggest you update your mobile PDQ.
The salient point here is the number of apps and the pressure to use them. >> Every damn car park company has its own app, there's 3 or 4 for the NHS,
there'll be one for every bank, for every sporting event and so it goes on. >> Pretty soon you have 50 apps on the phone and suddenly there's an app
management issue. I've put a stop to that by turning my iPhone 6S into a
WhatsApp burner with an O2 PAYG SIM, and the main mobile number back on the >> Doro.
I do my best to limit Apps too. But with banks they're a necessary evil
and more reason to avoid such car parks. I don't use an App for the NHS
but a desktop browser.
This thread was about QR codes.
To be fair Apps are optional where there is generally an alternative non-mobile access but will be a bigger pain.
SWMBO uses hers rather more, so we got her a new shiny yesterday (iPhone 16e).
Her old 6S was down to a battery life of under 24 hours.
I presume a battery change is not a practical solution? I see the list
price of an iPhone 16E is 6 times the cost of the most expensive phone I
have ever purchased.
I do my best to limit Apps too. But with banks they're a necessary evil
and more reason to avoid such car parks. I don't use an App for the NHS
but a desktop browser.
On 6 Apr 2025 at 22:16:25 BST, "Fredxx" <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
I do my best to limit Apps too. But with banks they're a necessary evil
and more reason to avoid such car parks. I don't use an App for the NHS
but a desktop browser.
SWMBO is being forced by the NHS (it would seem) to use an app for Patient Access rather than her desktop.
I see the NHS web site wants to send you a text but you don't need an
app. I have a passkey set up which is device specific, but seems to
bypass the need for 2FA
...... I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out about
'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there was zero indication of what the price of any number of keys would be, whether
20p or £20 per item.
I presume a battery change is not a practical solution? I see the list
price of an iPhone 16E is 6 times the cost of the most expensive phone I
have ever purchased.
She was already on her second battery for the 6S. Conversely, so am I on my 6S, but my replacement battery lasts several days.
On 05/04/2025 10:38, Davey wrote:
...... I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out about
'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there was zero indication of what the price of any number of keys would be, whether
20p or £20 per item.
If it had displayed the price you'd probably have walked away. I
needed a third front door key so visited a Timpson's shop. I can't
recall what the price was but it was high enough for me to rethink
whether I really needed a third key. When home I checked Toolstation
and was able to buy a replacement cylinder with 3 keys for less than Timpson's want to cut just one key!
Malcolm
On 05/04/2025 10:38, Davey wrote:
...... I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out about
'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there was zero
indication of what the price of any number of keys would be, whether
20p or £20 per item.
If it had displayed the price you'd probably have walked away. I needed
a third front door key so visited a Timpson's shop. I can't recall
what the price was but it was high enough for me to rethink whether I
really needed a third key. When home I checked Toolstation and was able
to buy a replacement cylinder with 3 keys for less than Timpson's want
to cut just one key!
Malcolm
On 06/04/2025 17:01, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 06/04/2025 10:46, David Wade wrote:snip <
On 06/04/2025 10:11, Davey wrote:
On 5 Apr 2025 20:44:08 GMT
Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
I just checked and I can't buy a paper map of any of the towns in
Trafford, so really its going to be the mobile...
I have occasionally used the Timpson's in our local town to get spare
keys cut. I have always been happy with the service.
I need to get a spare key cut, for my neighbour to have access to my
house if necessary, and as I was checking out of Tesco's, I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out about
'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there was zero indication of what the price of any number of keys would be, whether
20p or £20 per item.
The key I need copied is a bog-standard Yale-type door lock 5-tumbler
key.
I followed the instructions, put the key in the little box on the front
of the machine, then turned the key over, and straightened it out when
told to. The machine scanned my key and then told me that it could not
make my key. It gave no explanation, but suggested that I scan a QR
code for a list of nearby shops. Since I a) don't carry a 'smart'
'phone, and b) I know where the shop is in town, I declined this
pointless offer.
Sorry, Timpson's, not impressed.
It's almost as though it was programmed by AI. It tried, but missed the
point entirely.
David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2025 23:45:42 +0100, mm0fmf wrote:
On 05/04/2025 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2025 18:14, Theo wrote:I've tried this on 2 ancient Android phones and a 2019 vintage Wileyfox
It works in the Google Camera app which I think it's pretty standard >>>>> on Android.
No. It doesn't. Not in mine.
with Linageos (Android *) can read QRcodes and barcodes using the
standard camera app.
A Motorola Moto G6 Play (2020 vintage Android 9) the standard camera app >>> reads QR codes.
A current(ish) Motorola Motog53 Android 14 (updated yesterday with some
OTA stuff, probably AI shite) again, the standard camera app reads QR
codes. And it reads them really fast compared to the other 2.
But if you have a J330 and are still using it, then run, don't walk, to
the BBC and get it on Antiques Roadshow. In fact it was probably a
valuable antique when Arthur Negus was presenting Going For a Song and
he's been dead for 40 years :-)
This has led me to test my phone.
realme 6 Pro
Android 11
The built in camera App does not read QR codes.
I had to install a 3rd party App.
So not all Android phones.
Is your phone OS up to date? I vaguely recall only getting automatic QR recognition after an update.
Tim
On 06/04/2025 20:39, mm0fmf wrote:
On 06/04/2025 13:31, Fredxx wrote:
On 05/04/2025 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Turnip doesn't have a camera app in his vintage phone, he's got the
On 05/04/2025 18:14, Theo wrote:
It works in the Google Camera app which I think it's pretty
standard on
Android.
No. It doesn't. Not in mine.
Sometimes it has to be enabled in the camera app.
Alternatively get an App such as "QR Scanner". It isn't rocket science.
daguerreotype app. They don't do a QR scanner for that.
He just said he had a J330 which I assume is better known as a Samsung J3.
On 06/04/2025 13:31, Fredxx wrote:
On 05/04/2025 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Turnip doesn't have a camera app in his vintage phone, he's got the daguerreotype app. They don't do a QR scanner for that.
On 05/04/2025 18:14, Theo wrote:
It works in the Google Camera app which I think it's pretty standard on >>>> Android.
No. It doesn't. Not in mine.
Sometimes it has to be enabled in the camera app.
Alternatively get an App such as "QR Scanner". It isn't rocket science.
On 06/04/2025 23:03, Tim Streater wrote:
On 6 Apr 2025 at 22:16:25 BST, "Fredxx" <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
I do my best to limit Apps too. But with banks they're a necessary evil
and more reason to avoid such car parks. I don't use an App for the NHS
but a desktop browser.
SWMBO is being forced by the NHS (it would seem) to use an app for Patient >> Access rather than her desktop.
Do you have any details?
On 7 Apr 2025 at 00:30:24 BST, "David Wade" <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
On 06/04/2025 23:03, Tim Streater wrote:
On 6 Apr 2025 at 22:16:25 BST, "Fredxx" <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
I do my best to limit Apps too. But with banks they're a necessary evil >>>> and more reason to avoid such car parks. I don't use an App for the NHS >>>> but a desktop browser.
SWMBO is being forced by the NHS (it would seem) to use an app for Patient >>> Access rather than her desktop.
Do you have any details?
She's being told (at PA login attempt) that she has to download an authenticator app or go via the NHS login.
it ends in a loop (after she enters username/password), with her entering the NHS number, DoB, and postcode - then it says Oh, you already have an NHS login, use that to login. And round and round.
In my case when I use PA I get sent a 2FA code to my clamshell, which is just what that phone is for. I also get nagged about the authenticator app, but I'm
"allowed" to ignore it and be reminded next time.
On 2025-04-07 09:03, Malcolm Loades wrote:
On 05/04/2025 10:38, Davey wrote:
...... I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out about
'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there was zero
indication of what the price of any number of keys would be, whether
20p or £20 per item.
If it had displayed the price you'd probably have walked away. I
needed a third front door key so visited a Timpson's shop. I can't
recall what the price was but it was high enough for me to rethink
whether I really needed a third key. When home I checked Toolstation
and was able to buy a replacement cylinder with 3 keys for less than
Timpson's want to cut just one key!
Malcolm
The last Yale-type key I had cut was just under 8 pounds. That was last September at a small shop in Stony Stratford. How does that compare?
On 07/04/2025 09:54, nib wrote:
On 2025-04-07 09:03, Malcolm Loades wrote:
On 05/04/2025 10:38, Davey wrote:
...... I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out
about 'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there
was zero indication of what the price of any number of keys would
be, whether 20p or £20 per item.
If it had displayed the price you'd probably have walked away. I
needed a third front door key so visited a Timpson's shop. I
can't recall what the price was but it was high enough for me to
rethink whether I really needed a third key. When home I checked
Toolstation and was able to buy a replacement cylinder with 3 keys
for less than Timpson's want to cut just one key!
Malcolm
The last Yale-type key I had cut was just under 8 pounds. That was
last September at a small shop in Stony Stratford. How does that
compare?
I had three cut for a tenner, about 2 years ago, at the local car
parts shop.
You don't need to use a phone. When I asked Patient Access (PA) to
change my Authenticator App it came up with suggestions for Windows and
Mac desktops. There are authenticator apps for Windows in the play
store. Patient Access suggests this search:-
On 05/04/2025 10:38, Davey wrote:
I have occasionally used the Timpson's in our local town to get
spare keys cut. I have always been happy with the service.
I need to get a spare key cut, for my neighbour to have access to my
house if necessary, and as I was checking out of Tesco's, I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out about
'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there was zero indication of what the price of any number of keys would be, whether
20p or £20 per item.
The key I need copied is a bog-standard Yale-type door lock
5-tumbler key.
I followed the instructions, put the key in the little box on the
front of the machine, then turned the key over, and straightened it
out when told to. The machine scanned my key and then told me that
it could not make my key. It gave no explanation, but suggested
that I scan a QR code for a list of nearby shops. Since I a) don't
carry a 'smart' 'phone, and b) I know where the shop is in town, I
declined this pointless offer.
Sorry, Timpson's, not impressed.
It's almost as though it was programmed by AI. It tried, but missed
the point entirely.
Our 2 local branches of Timpson's, one in Sainsburys, are franchises
& very expensive.
A local cobbler's shop is cheaper & cuts keys as you wait.
Robert Dyas & B&Q also have key cutting machines but I have never
used them or seen anyone else using them.
On 7 Apr 2025 at 16:37:21 BST, "David Wade" <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
You don't need to use a phone. When I asked Patient Access (PA) to
change my Authenticator App it came up with suggestions for Windows and
Mac desktops. There are authenticator apps for Windows in the play
store. Patient Access suggests this search:-
Here's more mystery. When I log in to PA, I already have 2FA set up, and I get
a code to my phone, which I then enter. Given this, why does it then start bleating about setting up 2FA when I'm already using it? (and yes, thanks, I now see the list of stores you describe). It's at that point, for me, where I get the option "to be reminded next time" which I always click.
You don't need to use a phone. When I asked Patient Access (PA) to
change my Authenticator App it came up with suggestions for Windows and
Mac desktops. There are authenticator apps for Windows in the play
store. Patient Access suggests this search:-
https://apps.microsoft.com/search?query=authenticator
I think most of these will work with PA. There is also a browser extension..
https://github.com/Authenticator-Extension/Authenticator
which I prefer. I have checked and it works with patient access on a Windows/11 desktop. I have just set it up with Patient Access on Chrome
using the QR code that PA displays on the screen when setting up 2FA. It
has a little tool that lets it capture the QR code and create 2FA codes
for PA. Whichever tool you use make sure you backup the codes
In my case when I use PA I get sent a 2FA code to my clamshell, which is just
what that phone is for. I also get nagged about the authenticator app, but I'm
"allowed" to ignore it and be reminded next time.
I wonder how long they will let you continue....
... but I tend to use an authenticator app on my phone as I have
multiple desktops/laptop PCs. The codes are backed up to my google
account so that is not an issue.
On 07/04/2025 09:54, nib wrote:
On 2025-04-07 09:03, Malcolm Loades wrote:
On 05/04/2025 10:38, Davey wrote:
...... I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out
about 'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there
was zero indication of what the price of any number of keys would
be, whether 20p or £20 per item.
If it had displayed the price you'd probably have walked away. I
needed a third front door key so visited a Timpson's shop. I
can't recall what the price was but it was high enough for me to
rethink whether I really needed a third key. When home I checked
Toolstation and was able to buy a replacement cylinder with 3 keys
for less than Timpson's want to cut just one key!
Malcolm
The last Yale-type key I had cut was just under 8 pounds. That was
last September at a small shop in Stony Stratford. How does that
compare?
I had three cut for a tenner, about 2 years ago, at the local car
parts shop.
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:09:10 +0100
SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 07/04/2025 09:54, nib wrote:The gentleman who took over from Timpson, and now takes care of the
On 2025-04-07 09:03, Malcolm Loades wrote:
On 05/04/2025 10:38, Davey wrote:
...... I saw a
Timpson's Self-service key machine. It brazenly advertised out
about 'three for the price of two', which sounded fair, but there
was zero indication of what the price of any number of keys would
be, whether 20p or £20 per item.
If it had displayed the price you'd probably have walked away. I
needed a third front door key so visited a Timpson's shop. I
can't recall what the price was but it was high enough for me to
rethink whether I really needed a third key. When home I checked
Toolstation and was able to buy a replacement cylinder with 3 keys
for less than Timpson's want to cut just one key!
Malcolm
The last Yale-type key I had cut was just under 8 pounds. That was
last September at a small shop in Stony Stratford. How does that
compare?
I had three cut for a tenner, about 2 years ago, at the local car
parts shop.
running of the shops, has come up Trumps. He had an engineer visit my
local failing machines, he confirmed my complaints, and fixed them. He
also talked to the local manned shop, which is also the local shoe
repair shop, and when I went there yesterday afternoon, he cut my three
keys, refunded my missing £10, and refused the outstanding £4, due to
my unfortunate experience. So I would say that the current management
at Timpson's is definitely on the right track.
For the record, the stabdard price for the Yale-type keys is £7 each,
with three-for-two, which is, I think, not bad at all. They all fit the
lock, with no trouble.
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