• OT: D-I-Y Grammar: It's how you write it that matters

    From Davey@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 6 12:57:12 2025
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From (undesirable
    ingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually wrote:
    "Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with Tesco will
    be free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant, but it's what
    they wrote.

    Mistakes like that lead to chaos in engineering or computing.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Marland@21:1/5 to Davey on Sun Apr 6 13:45:53 2025
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From (undesirable
    ingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually wrote:
    "Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with Tesco will
    be free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant, but it's what
    they wrote.

    Mistakes like that lead to chaos in engineering or computing.


    My missis once caused confusion at a Screwfix counter over a
    misunderstanding of similar sounding words. She grows and shows
    vegetables and one of her fellow gardeners advised her on a technique to
    grow Leeks from seedlings in sleeves and the more rigid pipe insulation of adequate bore an easily obtained sleeve material so a click and collect
    order was placed.
    She was collecting the lengths and someone she knew happened to be behind
    and enquired what he lagging was for “for the Leeks “ she said at which point the assistant overhearing and trying to be helpful said “ excuse me but this product isn’t any good for leaks. The Missis not being on the
    same wavelength as the assistant she continued “Well I’ve been told by a friend it works fine and he won prizes for his Leeks. At that point the assistant just handed over the goods looking baffled.

    GH

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  • From Graham.@21:1/5 to Davey on Mon Apr 7 08:39:47 2025
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> Wrote in message:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From (undesirableingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually wrote:"Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with Tesco willbe free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant, but it's
    whatthey wrote.Mistakes like that lead to chaos in engineering or computing.-- Davey.



    It can't have the meaning you suggest, because both Free & From
    are capitalised making it clear that it is some form of branding.

    --

    Graham.
    %Profound_observation%

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Graham. on Mon Apr 7 09:55:06 2025
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 08:39:47 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
    "Graham. " <graham-usenet@mail.com> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> Wrote in message:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From
    (undesirableingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually
    wrote:"Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with
    Tesco willbe free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant,
    but it's whatthey wrote.Mistakes like that lead to chaos in
    engineering or computing.-- Davey.



    It can't have the meaning you suggest, because both Free & From
    are capitalised making it clear that it is some form of branding.


    Well...
    The website https://thegoodnessproject.co.uk/blog/what-are-free-from-foodsinterestingly says that there is no actual definition of Free-From, and it uses the hyphenated form throughout, which Tesco did not. So I disagree that the
    Tesco 'Free From' indicates some sort of branding, there is none
    involved.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to Davey on Mon Apr 7 10:25:24 2025
    On 06/04/2025 12:57, Davey wrote:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From (undesirable
    ingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually wrote:
    "Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with Tesco will
    be free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant, but it's what
    they wrote.

    Mistakes like that lead to chaos in engineering or computing.


    It's the norm with advertising. Anything goes.


    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to Davey on Mon Apr 7 14:24:46 2025
    On 07/04/2025 09:55, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 08:39:47 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
    "Graham. " <graham-usenet@mail.com> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> Wrote in message:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From
    (undesirableingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually
    wrote:"Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with
    Tesco willbe free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant,
    but it's whatthey wrote.Mistakes like that lead to chaos in
    engineering or computing.-- Davey.



    It can't have the meaning you suggest, because both Free & From
    are capitalised making it clear that it is some form of branding.


    Well...
    The website https://thegoodnessproject.co.uk/blog/what-are-free-from-foodsinterestingly says that there is no actual definition of Free-From, and it uses the hyphenated form throughout, which Tesco did not. So I disagree that the
    Tesco 'Free From' indicates some sort of branding, there is none
    involved.

    It got your attention, so it achieved its purpose.

    --
    Jim the Geordie

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Davey on Mon Apr 7 17:51:09 2025
    On 06/04/2025 12:57, Davey wrote:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From (undesirable
    ingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually wrote:
    "Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with Tesco will
    be free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant, but it's what
    they wrote.

    Mistakes like that lead to chaos in engineering or computing.



    I used to work in a supermarket. The store was undergoing extending to
    become a hypermarket

    There was a weekly staff poster announcing what new product ranges and
    aisles were goign to open.

    One week I saw the annoucement of:

    New! Glutton Free aisle opening on Monday 1st May

    I had visions of the aisle being a few centimetres wide......

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Mon Apr 7 17:51:40 2025
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 14:24:46 +0100
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimsXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    On 07/04/2025 09:55, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 08:39:47 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
    "Graham. " <graham-usenet@mail.com> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> Wrote in message:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From
    (undesirableingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually
    wrote:"Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with
    Tesco willbe free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant,
    but it's whatthey wrote.Mistakes like that lead to chaos in
    engineering or computing.-- Davey.



    It can't have the meaning you suggest, because both Free & From
    are capitalised making it clear that it is some form of branding.


    Well...
    The website https://thegoodnessproject.co.uk/blog/what-are-free-from-foodsinterestingly says that there is no actual definition of Free-From, and it uses
    the hyphenated form throughout, which Tesco did not. So I disagree
    that the Tesco 'Free From' indicates some sort of branding, there
    is none involved.

    It got your attention, so it achieved its purpose.


    But it did not encourage me to buy any of the stuff advertised, if
    anything, the opposite.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to i.love@spam.com on Mon Apr 7 17:54:42 2025
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:51:09 +0100
    SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

    On 06/04/2025 12:57, Davey wrote:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From (undesirable
    ingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually wrote:
    "Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with Tesco
    will be free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant, but
    it's what they wrote.

    Mistakes like that lead to chaos in engineering or computing.



    I used to work in a supermarket. The store was undergoing extending
    to become a hypermarket

    There was a weekly staff poster announcing what new product ranges
    and aisles were goign to open.

    One week I saw the annoucement of:

    New! Glutton Free aisle opening on Monday 1st May

    I had visions of the aisle being a few centimetres wide......

    Nice one. I am reminded of the saying, concerning these people:
    "And they walk amongst us".

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Graham. on Mon Apr 7 19:23:11 2025
    On 07/04/2025 08:39, Graham. wrote:
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> Wrote in message:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From (undesirableingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually wrote:"Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with Tesco willbe free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant, but it's
    whatthey wrote.Mistakes like that lead to chaos in engineering or computing.-- Davey.



    It can't have the meaning you suggest, because both Free & From
    are capitalised making it clear that it is some form of branding.

    I don't think it makes it clear at all.
    Choices of what to capitalise (and to place capitals within 'words')
    seems entirely random these days

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to Davey on Mon Apr 7 19:31:25 2025
    On 07/04/2025 17:51, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 14:24:46 +0100
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimsXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    On 07/04/2025 09:55, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 08:39:47 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
    "Graham. " <graham-usenet@mail.com> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> Wrote in message:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From
    (undesirableingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually
    wrote:"Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with
    Tesco willbe free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant,
    but it's whatthey wrote.Mistakes like that lead to chaos in
    engineering or computing.-- Davey.



    It can't have the meaning you suggest, because both Free & From
    are capitalised making it clear that it is some form of branding.


    Well...
    The website
    https://thegoodnessproject.co.uk/blog/what-are-free-from-foodsinterestingly >>> says that there is no actual definition of Free-From, and it uses
    the hyphenated form throughout, which Tesco did not. So I disagree
    that the Tesco 'Free From' indicates some sort of branding, there
    is none involved.

    It got your attention, so it achieved its purpose.


    But it did not encourage me to buy any of the stuff advertised, if
    anything, the opposite.

    I feel the same if an ad has people dancing, but I usually record most
    stuff to fast-forward the ads, which generally last 4 minutes, and voice control sorts that out for me.

    --
    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Mon Apr 7 19:44:01 2025
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 19:31:25 +0100
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimsXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    On 07/04/2025 17:51, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 14:24:46 +0100
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimsXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    On 07/04/2025 09:55, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 08:39:47 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
    "Graham. " <graham-usenet@mail.com> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> Wrote in message:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From
    (undesirableingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually
    wrote:"Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter
    with Tesco willbe free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what
    they meant, but it's whatthey wrote.Mistakes like that lead to
    chaos in engineering or computing.-- Davey.



    It can't have the meaning you suggest, because both Free & From
    are capitalised making it clear that it is some form of
    branding.

    Well...
    The website
    https://thegoodnessproject.co.uk/blog/what-are-free-from-foodsinterestingly
    says that there is no actual definition of Free-From, and it uses
    the hyphenated form throughout, which Tesco did not. So I disagree
    that the Tesco 'Free From' indicates some sort of branding, there
    is none involved.

    It got your attention, so it achieved its purpose.


    But it did not encourage me to buy any of the stuff advertised, if anything, the opposite.

    I feel the same if an ad has people dancing, but I usually record
    most stuff to fast-forward the ads, which generally last 4 minutes,
    and voice control sorts that out for me.


    This was a static image, so no dancing involved, Thankfully.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to Davey on Tue Apr 8 15:02:24 2025
    On 07/04/2025 17:51, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 14:24:46 +0100
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimsXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    On 07/04/2025 09:55, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 08:39:47 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
    "Graham. " <graham-usenet@mail.com> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> Wrote in message:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From
    (undesirableingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually
    wrote:"Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with
    Tesco willbe free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant,
    but it's whatthey wrote.Mistakes like that lead to chaos in
    engineering or computing.-- Davey.



    It can't have the meaning you suggest, because both Free & From
    are capitalised making it clear that it is some form of branding.


    Well...
    The website
    https://thegoodnessproject.co.uk/blog/what-are-free-from-foodsinterestingly >>> says that there is no actual definition of Free-From, and it uses
    the hyphenated form throughout, which Tesco did not. So I disagree
    that the Tesco 'Free From' indicates some sort of branding, there
    is none involved.

    It got your attention, so it achieved its purpose.


    But it did not encourage me to buy any of the stuff advertised, if
    anything, the opposite.


    There's no such thing as bad advertising.
    Even after things have gone drastically wrong the marketing men will
    tell you that the name will be remembered.


    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to wasbit on Tue Apr 8 15:08:18 2025
    On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 15:02:24 +0100
    wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:

    On 07/04/2025 17:51, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 14:24:46 +0100
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimsXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    On 07/04/2025 09:55, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 08:39:47 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
    "Graham. " <graham-usenet@mail.com> wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> Wrote in message:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From
    (undesirableingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually
    wrote:"Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter
    with Tesco willbe free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what
    they meant, but it's whatthey wrote.Mistakes like that lead to
    chaos in engineering or computing.-- Davey.



    It can't have the meaning you suggest, because both Free & From
    are capitalised making it clear that it is some form of
    branding.

    Well...
    The website
    https://thegoodnessproject.co.uk/blog/what-are-free-from-foodsinterestingly
    says that there is no actual definition of Free-From, and it uses
    the hyphenated form throughout, which Tesco did not. So I disagree
    that the Tesco 'Free From' indicates some sort of branding, there
    is none involved.

    It got your attention, so it achieved its purpose.


    But it did not encourage me to buy any of the stuff advertised, if anything, the opposite.


    There's no such thing as bad advertising.
    Even after things have gone drastically wrong the marketing men will
    tell you that the name will be remembered.



    I think I will remember the name 'Tesco' with or without this
    particular spot of advertising. And if they can't get basic grammar
    right, what else might they be getting wrong?

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to wasbit on Tue Apr 8 19:41:32 2025
    wasbit wrote:

    There's no such thing as bad advertising.
    Even after things have gone drastically wrong the marketing men will
    tell you that the name will be remembered.
    The name may be remembered,but if it no longer exists, what's the point?
    How many of these have you heard of?

    <https://signetjewelers.com/brands>

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Graham. on Wed Apr 9 11:13:47 2025
    On 07/04/2025 02:39, Graham. wrote:

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> Wrote in message:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From (undesirableingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually wrote:"Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with Tesco willbe free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant, but it's
    whatthey wrote.Mistakes like that lead to chaos in engineering or computing.-- Davey.



    It can't have the meaning you suggest, because both Free & From
    are capitalised making it clear that it is some form of branding.

    Inverted commas around the brand name would definitely help in prose,
    though whether that is a good idea in an advertising strapline is
    another matter.

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software.
    www.avg.com

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to wasbit on Thu Apr 10 19:41:29 2025
    On 08/04/2025 15:02, wasbit wrote:
    On 07/04/2025 17:51, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 14:24:46 +0100
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimsXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    On 07/04/2025 09:55, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 08:39:47 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
    "Graham. " <graham-usenet@mail.com> wrote:
       Davey <davey@example.invalid> Wrote in message:
    Tesco has issued an advert. for some Free-From
    (undesirableingredients) Easter treats. Only, they actually
    wrote:"Free From Easter treats", which to me says that Easter with >>>>>> Tesco willbe free of any Easter Treats. Not quite what they meant, >>>>>> but it's whatthey wrote.Mistakes like that lead to chaos in
    engineering or computing.-- Davey.

    It can't have the meaning you suggest, because both Free & From
       are capitalised making it clear that it is some form of branding. >>>>
    Well...
    The website
    https://thegoodnessproject.co.uk/blog/what-are-free-from-
    foodsinterestingly
    says that there is no actual definition of Free-From, and it uses
    the hyphenated form throughout, which Tesco did not. So I disagree
    that the Tesco 'Free From' indicates some sort of branding, there
    is none involved.
    It got your attention, so it achieved its purpose.


    But it did not encourage me to buy any of the stuff advertised, if
    anything, the opposite.


    There's no such thing as bad advertising.
    Even after things have gone drastically wrong the marketing men will
    tell you that the name will be remembered.

    Ratner? I do remember that name.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Thomas Prufer@21:1/5 to i.love@spam.com on Sun Apr 27 08:40:03 2025
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:51:09 +0100, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

    There was a weekly staff poster announcing what new product ranges and
    aisles were goign to open.

    One week I saw the annoucement of:

    New! Glutton Free aisle opening on Monday 1st May

    Recently seen in Leftpondia on the aisle marker sign:

    "Organic Water"


    Thomas "I sure hope not" Prufer

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invali on Sun Apr 27 07:54:40 2025
    On 27 Apr 2025 at 07:40:03 BST, "Thomas Prufer" <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:51:09 +0100, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

    There was a weekly staff poster announcing what new product ranges and
    aisles were goign to open.

    One week I saw the annoucement of:

    New! Glutton Free aisle opening on Monday 1st May

    Recently seen in Leftpondia on the aisle marker sign:

    "Organic Water"

    Thomas "I sure hope not" Prufer

    :-)

    What these fools dont understand is that all food is organic. If it weren't, eating it would do us no good.

    --
    All of science is either physics or stamp-collecting.

    Ernest Rutherford

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  • From nib@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Sun Apr 27 09:23:16 2025
    On 2025-04-27 08:54, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 27 Apr 2025 at 07:40:03 BST, "Thomas Prufer" <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:51:09 +0100, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

    There was a weekly staff poster announcing what new product ranges and
    aisles were goign to open.

    One week I saw the annoucement of:

    New! Glutton Free aisle opening on Monday 1st May

    Recently seen in Leftpondia on the aisle marker sign:

    "Organic Water"

    Thomas "I sure hope not" Prufer

    :-)

    What these fools dont understand is that all food is organic. If it weren't, eating it would do us no good.


    True, but doesn't "organic" as used on food labels have a specific
    definition different from just the basic "natural"? Specifically that
    it's _only_ organic with no synthetic components, even if those
    components might be recognised by an organic chemist, and produced only
    by certain processes.

    Although oddly, some of the chemicals that are permitted on organic
    crops are what a chemist would call inorganic.

    Suspect these days it's mainly a marketing trick though.

    nib

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to nib on Sun Apr 27 11:23:05 2025
    On 27 Apr 2025 at 09:23:16 BST, "nib" <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> wrote:

    On 2025-04-27 08:54, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 27 Apr 2025 at 07:40:03 BST, "Thomas Prufer"
    <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:51:09 +0100, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

    There was a weekly staff poster announcing what new product ranges and >>>> aisles were goign to open.

    One week I saw the annoucement of:

    New! Glutton Free aisle opening on Monday 1st May

    Recently seen in Leftpondia on the aisle marker sign:

    "Organic Water"

    Thomas "I sure hope not" Prufer

    :-)

    What these fools dont understand is that all food is organic. If it weren't, >> eating it would do us no good.

    True, but doesn't "organic" as used on food labels have a specific
    definition different from just the basic "natural"? Specifically that
    it's _only_ organic with no synthetic components, even if those
    components might be recognised by an organic chemist, and produced only
    by certain processes.

    Although oddly, some of the chemicals that are permitted on organic
    crops are what a chemist would call inorganic.

    Suspect these days it's mainly a marketing trick though.

    Strictly, organic means "made with carbon" - which includes oil. The use of
    the word "organic" for food created a certain way is just theft of a term
    which had a perfectly good well-understood meaning previously.

    Thus, any food is organic.

    --
    I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed whole academic subjects, such as 'gender
    studies', devoted to it.

    Roger Scruton

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Thomas Prufer on Sun Apr 27 16:37:11 2025
    On 27/04/2025 07:40, Thomas Prufer wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:51:09 +0100, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

    There was a weekly staff poster announcing what new product ranges and
    aisles were goign to open.

    One week I saw the annoucement of:

    New! Glutton Free aisle opening on Monday 1st May

    Recently seen in Leftpondia on the aisle marker sign:

    "Organic Water"


    Thomas "I sure hope not" Prufer

    D2O or just perfectly distilled/deionised ?

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  • From Another John@21:1/5 to nib on Mon Apr 28 11:16:09 2025
    On 27 Apr 2025 at 09:23:16 BST, "nib" <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> wrote:

    On 2025-04-27 08:54, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 27 Apr 2025 at 07:40:03 BST, "Thomas Prufer"
    <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:51:09 +0100, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

    There was a weekly staff poster announcing what new product ranges and >>>> aisles were goign to open.

    One week I saw the annoucement of:

    New! Glutton Free aisle opening on Monday 1st May

    Recently seen in Leftpondia on the aisle marker sign:

    "Organic Water"

    Thomas "I sure hope not" Prufer

    :-)

    What these fools dont understand is that all food is organic. If it weren't, >> eating it would do us no good.


    True, but doesn't "organic" as used on food labels have a specific
    definition different from just the basic "natural"? Specifically that
    it's _only_ organic with no synthetic components, even if those
    components might be recognised by an organic chemist, and produced only
    by certain processes.

    Although oddly, some of the chemicals that are permitted on organic
    crops are what a chemist would call inorganic.

    Suspect these days it's mainly a marketing trick though.

    nib

    [re: your last sentence] Exactly. As a friend of mine said to me recently -- interrupting my fulminating about "people" buying "stuff" [that, in most
    cases, they cannot afford]:

    "But John! These days it's ALL about marketing, and nothing but! Forget quality. Forget "can't afford". Forget any personal judgement at all! The whole human race is now run by Marketing!"

    In that context "Organic Water" is perfectly acceptable ... in a Trumpian sense.

    Cheers [down the hatch!]

    John

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Another John on Mon Apr 28 13:27:14 2025
    On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 11:16:09 GMT
    Another John <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 27 Apr 2025 at 09:23:16 BST, "nib" <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 2025-04-27 08:54, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 27 Apr 2025 at 07:40:03 BST, "Thomas Prufer"
    <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:51:09 +0100, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

    There was a weekly staff poster announcing what new product
    ranges and aisles were goign to open.

    One week I saw the annoucement of:

    New! Glutton Free aisle opening on Monday 1st May

    Recently seen in Leftpondia on the aisle marker sign:

    "Organic Water"

    Thomas "I sure hope not" Prufer

    :-)

    What these fools dont understand is that all food is organic. If
    it weren't, eating it would do us no good.


    True, but doesn't "organic" as used on food labels have a specific definition different from just the basic "natural"? Specifically
    that it's _only_ organic with no synthetic components, even if those components might be recognised by an organic chemist, and produced
    only by certain processes.

    Although oddly, some of the chemicals that are permitted on organic
    crops are what a chemist would call inorganic.

    Suspect these days it's mainly a marketing trick though.

    nib

    [re: your last sentence] Exactly. As a friend of mine said to me
    recently -- interrupting my fulminating about "people" buying "stuff"
    [that, in most cases, they cannot afford]:

    "But John! These days it's ALL about marketing, and nothing but!
    Forget quality. Forget "can't afford". Forget any personal judgement
    at all! The whole human race is now run by Marketing!"

    In that context "Organic Water" is perfectly acceptable ... in a
    Trumpian sense.

    Cheers [down the hatch!]

    John

    That sounds like Eddie in Absolutely Fabulous describing PR: "Well,
    it's PR, isn't it? We all need PR".

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Thomas Prufer@21:1/5 to Andrew on Mon Apr 28 19:14:17 2025
    On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 16:37:11 +0100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 27/04/2025 07:40, Thomas Prufer wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:51:09 +0100, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

    There was a weekly staff poster announcing what new product ranges and
    aisles were goign to open.

    One week I saw the annoucement of:

    New! Glutton Free aisle opening on Monday 1st May

    Recently seen in Leftpondia on the aisle marker sign:

    "Organic Water"


    Thomas "I sure hope not" Prufer

    D2O or just perfectly distilled/deionised ?

    I think it was just water in drinking quality (i.e. the usual minerals, no more that XYZ unwanted stuff) with extra adjectives and poetic description: "Finest Water brought to you from Himalayan Springs where it gladly runs downhill".

    I see Fiji Water comes in different sizes, described as:

    330mL Events, Offices, & Kid-Friendly
    500mL Everyday Hydration
    700mL Active Lifestyle
    1.0L Traveling & General Hydration
    1.5L Ongoing Hydration



    Thomas Prufer

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Davey on Mon Apr 28 19:28:54 2025
    On 28/04/2025 13:27, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 11:16:09 GMT
    Another John <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 27 Apr 2025 at 09:23:16 BST, "nib" <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 2025-04-27 08:54, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 27 Apr 2025 at 07:40:03 BST, "Thomas Prufer"
    <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:51:09 +0100, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

    There was a weekly staff poster announcing what new product
    ranges and aisles were goign to open.

    One week I saw the annoucement of:

    New! Glutton Free aisle opening on Monday 1st May

    Recently seen in Leftpondia on the aisle marker sign:

    "Organic Water"

    Thomas "I sure hope not" Prufer

    :-)

    What these fools dont understand is that all food is organic. If
    it weren't, eating it would do us no good.


    True, but doesn't "organic" as used on food labels have a specific
    definition different from just the basic "natural"? Specifically
    that it's _only_ organic with no synthetic components, even if those
    components might be recognised by an organic chemist, and produced
    only by certain processes.

    Although oddly, some of the chemicals that are permitted on organic
    crops are what a chemist would call inorganic.

    Suspect these days it's mainly a marketing trick though.

    nib

    [re: your last sentence] Exactly. As a friend of mine said to me
    recently -- interrupting my fulminating about "people" buying "stuff"
    [that, in most cases, they cannot afford]:

    "But John! These days it's ALL about marketing, and nothing but!
    Forget quality. Forget "can't afford". Forget any personal judgement
    at all! The whole human race is now run by Marketing!"

    In that context "Organic Water" is perfectly acceptable ... in a
    Trumpian sense.

    Cheers [down the hatch!]

    John

    That sounds like Eddie

    Ah! The shipboard computer in HHGTTG.

    in Absolutely Fabulous describing PR: "Well,
    it's PR, isn't it? We all need PR".

    Oh! That Eddie.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Sam Plusnet on Tue Apr 29 11:49:14 2025
    On 28/04/2025 19:28, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 28/04/2025 13:27, Davey wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 11:16:09 GMT
    Another John <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 27 Apr 2025 at 09:23:16 BST, "nib" <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 2025-04-27 08:54, Tim Streater wrote:
    On 27 Apr 2025 at 07:40:03 BST, "Thomas Prufer"
    <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:51:09 +0100, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:
    There was a weekly staff poster announcing what new product
    ranges and aisles were goign to open.

    One week I saw the annoucement of:

    New! Glutton Free aisle opening on Monday 1st May

    Recently seen in Leftpondia on the aisle marker sign:

    "Organic Water"

    Thomas "I sure hope not" Prufer

    :-)

    What these fools dont understand is that all food is organic. If
    it weren't, eating it would do us no good.

    True, but doesn't "organic" as used on food labels have a specific
    definition different from just the basic "natural"? Specifically
    that it's _only_ organic with no synthetic components, even if those
    components might be recognised by an organic chemist, and produced
    only by certain processes.

    Although oddly, some of the chemicals that are permitted on organic
    crops are what a chemist would call inorganic.

    Suspect these days it's mainly a marketing trick though.

    nib

    [re: your last sentence] Exactly. As a friend of mine said to me
    recently -- interrupting my fulminating about "people" buying "stuff"
    [that, in most cases, they cannot afford]:

    "But John! These days it's ALL about marketing, and nothing but!
    Forget quality. Forget "can't afford". Forget any personal judgement
    at all!  The whole human race is now run by Marketing!"

    In that context "Organic Water" is perfectly acceptable ... in a
    Trumpian sense.

    Cheers [down the hatch!]

    John

    That sounds like Eddie

    Ah! The shipboard computer in HHGTTG.

    in Absolutely Fabulous describing PR: "Well,
    it's PR, isn't it? We all need PR".

    Oh!  That Eddie.


    One of my favourite fantasy fucks of all time...
    --
    "Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
    conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
    windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

    Alan Sokal

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