• Re: Washing machine dolly

    From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Theo on Sat Apr 12 12:02:08 2025
    On 12/04/2025 11:31, Theo wrote:
    Looking for some wheels to put a stacked washing machine and tumble dryer
    on, so it's possible to pull them out to access pipework behind. There are various things designed for this:

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/appliance-roller-set-545kg/39158 https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8411220
    and of course much Chinesium on Amazon

    but reviews are universally awful - they seem barely fit for purpose.

    Want something reasonably low profile for looks (although height isn't critical) and with a brake to stop it moving around on spin cycle.

    Is something that'll hold the weight without breaking too much to ask? Is there something else in a different field that I could repurpose? Or should I learn how to weld and DIY?

    Thanks
    Theo

    Some kind of fork lift cart might be more sensible

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 12 11:31:42 2025
    Looking for some wheels to put a stacked washing machine and tumble dryer
    on, so it's possible to pull them out to access pipework behind. There are various things designed for this:

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/appliance-roller-set-545kg/39158 https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8411220
    and of course much Chinesium on Amazon

    but reviews are universally awful - they seem barely fit for purpose.

    Want something reasonably low profile for looks (although height isn't critical) and with a brake to stop it moving around on spin cycle.

    Is something that'll hold the weight without breaking too much to ask? Is there something else in a different field that I could repurpose? Or should
    I learn how to weld and DIY?

    Thanks
    Theo

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  • From Fredxx@21:1/5 to Theo on Sat Apr 12 13:12:56 2025
    On 12/04/2025 12:22, Theo wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 12/04/2025 11:31, Theo wrote:
    Looking for some wheels to put a stacked washing machine and tumble dryer >>> on, so it's possible to pull them out to access pipework behind. There are >>> various things designed for this:

    Some kind of fork lift cart might be more sensible

    I suppose a 600x600mm pallet and a pallet truck is possible, but neither cheap nor pretty, and you'd have to find somewhere to store the truck.

    If you don't mind it raised off the ground then why not make the dolly a permanent fixture?

    https://www.toolstation.com/roughneck-dolly/p99817 https://www.toolstation.com/plywood-dolly/p94010

    I recently got some from Amazon.

    Or get some wheels with locking devices and make your own with some ply?

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sat Apr 12 12:22:40 2025
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 12/04/2025 11:31, Theo wrote:
    Looking for some wheels to put a stacked washing machine and tumble dryer on, so it's possible to pull them out to access pipework behind. There are various things designed for this:

    Some kind of fork lift cart might be more sensible

    I suppose a 600x600mm pallet and a pallet truck is possible, but neither
    cheap nor pretty, and you'd have to find somewhere to store the truck.

    Theo

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Theo on Sat Apr 12 13:50:32 2025
    On 12/04/2025 11:31, Theo wrote:
    Looking for some wheels to put a stacked washing machine and tumble dryer
    on, so it's possible to pull them out to access pipework behind. There are various things designed for this:

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/appliance-roller-set-545kg/39158 https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8411220
    and of course much Chinesium on Amazon

    but reviews are universally awful - they seem barely fit for purpose.

    Want something reasonably low profile for looks (although height isn't critical) and with a brake to stop it moving around on spin cycle.

    Is something that'll hold the weight without breaking too much to ask? Is there something else in a different field that I could repurpose? Or should I learn how to weld and DIY?

    Thanks
    Theo

    I was wondering if it would be possible to use some PTFE as sliders to
    pull the WM/TD out.

    On each side on the floor there could be two rods of 10 mm diameter side
    by side in some 20mm wide aluminium "u" channel, and as long as the
    depth of the lower unit. Resting on top of those two rods would be
    another 10 diameter rod on which the WM rested - perhaps screwed lightly
    to the base of the WM if necessary just to keep it in place. That should
    allow the units to slide out easily. If you could then access the pipes
    behind from the top that might do the job.

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Apr 12 13:58:54 2025
    On 12 Apr 2025 at 13:50:32 BST, Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 12/04/2025 11:31, Theo wrote:
    Looking for some wheels to put a stacked washing machine and tumble dryer
    on, so it's possible to pull them out to access pipework behind. There are >> various things designed for this:

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/appliance-roller-set-545kg/39158
    https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8411220
    and of course much Chinesium on Amazon

    but reviews are universally awful - they seem barely fit for purpose.

    Want something reasonably low profile for looks (although height isn't
    critical) and with a brake to stop it moving around on spin cycle.

    Is something that'll hold the weight without breaking too much to ask? Is >> there something else in a different field that I could repurpose? Or should >> I learn how to weld and DIY?

    Thanks
    Theo

    I was wondering if it would be possible to use some PTFE as sliders to
    pull the WM/TD out.


    Curtain track might be just wide enough. Wouldn't exactly wheel out but would be considerably easier than dragging.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Apr 12 15:46:01 2025
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I was wondering if it would be possible to use some PTFE as sliders to
    pull the WM/TD out.

    On each side on the floor there could be two rods of 10 mm diameter side
    by side in some 20mm wide aluminium "u" channel, and as long as the
    depth of the lower unit. Resting on top of those two rods would be
    another 10 diameter rod on which the WM rested - perhaps screwed lightly
    to the base of the WM if necessary just to keep it in place. That should allow the units to slide out easily. If you could then access the pipes behind from the top that might do the job.

    Possibly... there will be about 120kg loading, plus a bit more dynamic load when spinning. Would such an arrangement survive, or would the rods deform?
    I don't have a good feel for how 'squishy' PTFE bar is.

    You might have to screw the bottom channel to the floor, in case it slips
    out of place (sideways)? Or otherwise fasten the rods together.

    Theo

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Fredxx on Sat Apr 12 16:01:23 2025
    Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
    If you don't mind it raised off the ground then why not make the dolly a permanent fixture?

    https://www.toolstation.com/roughneck-dolly/p99817 https://www.toolstation.com/plywood-dolly/p94010

    I recently got some from Amazon.

    Or get some wheels with locking devices and make your own with some ply?

    Hmm, I suppose some ply and some 'roller glides' might do it: https://www.hafele.co.uk/en/products/furniture-fittings-living-commercial-solutions/table-fittings/glides-castors/38/?SearchParameter=%26checkbox_fs_facet_glides_castors_product_type%3DRoller%2BGlides%26%40P.FF.followSearch%3D9959

    Takes 65kg so 4 of those should be enough. Needs an 18mm pocket so likely
    25mm ply. Or to make something out of batten. Slightly tricky to align
    their push fit pockets with the WM feet which are usually at the far corners
    of the 600mm without putting all the weight on the corners of the ply and
    risk snapping.

    Theo

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Theo on Sat Apr 12 16:29:58 2025
    Theo wrote:

    You might have to screw the bottom channel to the floor, in case it slips
    out of place (sideways)?

    I remember one site, they had an extra server room for on-site backups
    etc. It wasn't really big enough, but The sparkies came up with the
    idea of "trapping" the wheels of the 19" rack within a couple of lengths
    of unistrut, so it could be moved back and forwards for access, without wandering sideways.

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Theo on Sat Apr 12 19:02:12 2025
    On 12/04/2025 15:46, Theo wrote:
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I was wondering if it would be possible to use some PTFE as sliders to
    pull the WM/TD out.

    On each side on the floor there could be two rods of 10 mm diameter side
    by side in some 20mm wide aluminium "u" channel, and as long as the
    depth of the lower unit. Resting on top of those two rods would be
    another 10 diameter rod on which the WM rested - perhaps screwed lightly
    to the base of the WM if necessary just to keep it in place. That should
    allow the units to slide out easily. If you could then access the pipes
    behind from the top that might do the job.

    Possibly... there will be about 120kg loading, plus a bit more dynamic load when spinning. Would such an arrangement survive, or would the rods deform?
    I don't have a good feel for how 'squishy' PTFE bar is.

    You might have to screw the bottom channel to the floor, in case it slips
    out of place (sideways)? Or otherwise fasten the rods together.

    Assuming the tumble dryer and the washing machine are suitably fastened together, I wonder where the centre of gravity is - and what are the
    chances of things toppling over whilst being wheeled/slid out of place.

    If the two things are not fastened together (relying on gravity alone),
    the risks of mishap would be higher.


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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Theo on Sat Apr 12 19:33:50 2025
    On 12/04/2025 15:46, Theo wrote:
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I was wondering if it would be possible to use some PTFE as sliders to
    pull the WM/TD out.

    On each side on the floor there could be two rods of 10 mm diameter side
    by side in some 20mm wide aluminium "u" channel, and as long as the
    depth of the lower unit. Resting on top of those two rods would be
    another 10 diameter rod on which the WM rested - perhaps screwed lightly
    to the base of the WM if necessary just to keep it in place. That should
    allow the units to slide out easily. If you could then access the pipes
    behind from the top that might do the job.

    Possibly... there will be about 120kg loading, plus a bit more dynamic load when spinning. Would such an arrangement survive, or would the rods deform?
    I don't have a good feel for how 'squishy' PTFE bar is.

    The wiki reports that it is subject to creep, and its yield strength is
    23MPa. That is more than that of aluminium (15 - 20MPa). But it is used
    in bearings, so must have some strength.

    You might have to screw the bottom channel to the floor, in case it slips
    out of place (sideways)? Or otherwise fasten the rods together.

    Quite possibly. I was only suggesting an off-the-wall idea.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Sam Plusnet on Sat Apr 12 21:19:36 2025
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    Assuming the tumble dryer and the washing machine are suitably fastened together, I wonder where the centre of gravity is - and what are the
    chances of things toppling over whilst being wheeled/slid out of place.

    If the two things are not fastened together (relying on gravity alone),
    the risks of mishap would be higher.

    That's a good point. The 'unofficial' stacking kits seem to have a ratchet strap that goes over the whole stack, perhaps it needs to go around the
    dolly too.

    Theo

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  • From Marland@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Apr 13 07:01:28 2025
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Theo wrote:

    You might have to screw the bottom channel to the floor, in case it slips
    out of place (sideways)?

    I remember one site, they had an extra server room for on-site backups
    etc. It wasn't really big enough, but The sparkies came up with the
    idea of "trapping" the wheels of the 19" rack within a couple of lengths
    of unistrut, so it could be moved back and forwards for access, without wandering sideways.


    I have used the the wall supports from Spur style shelving and some castors that fit within it to guide dollys that support storage boxes in my shed,ensures they slide out with no deviation so they can be placed
    millimetres apart. That let me get an extra bay of double stacked 50L boxes in,before the guides the box handles invariable touched and caught making
    the task frustrating.

    GH

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