• Re: OT Heath and Safety

    From GB@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 1 20:55:30 2025
    On 01/05/2025 20:21, alan_m wrote:

    Having watched  few episodes of Digging for Britain over the past few
    weeks I note that on quite a few sites all the members of the
    archaeology dig crews are wearing hard hats, safety glasses and hi-vis
    tops and trousers. Aerial shots show the only "machinery" is a shovel,
    trowel and a wheel barrow. No deep holes and flat landscape.

    Is this Elfin Safety gone mad?



    It's not half as mad as the building site next door to us, where they
    were operating heavy machinery, and there was no PPE being worn.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 1 20:21:57 2025
    Having watched few episodes of Digging for Britain over the past few
    weeks I note that on quite a few sites all the members of the
    archaeology dig crews are wearing hard hats, safety glasses and hi-vis
    tops and trousers. Aerial shots show the only "machinery" is a shovel,
    trowel and a wheel barrow. No deep holes and flat landscape.

    Is this Elfin Safety gone mad?

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 2 02:38:12 2025
    On 01/05/2025 20:21, alan_m wrote:

    Having watched  few episodes of Digging for Britain over the past few
    weeks I note that on quite a few sites all the members of the
    archaeology dig crews are wearing hard hats, safety glasses and hi-vis
    tops and trousers. Aerial shots show the only "machinery" is a shovel,
    trowel and a wheel barrow. No deep holes and flat landscape.

    Is this Elfin Safety gone mad?

    Given that is being 'televised', and people just love to pick on stuff[1]:

    "Won't someone think of all the kiddies who will watch this and...!"

    I would be astonished if they didn't go the safe route (read that
    however you choose).

    [1] Of course, this thread shows that they are on a hiding to nothing
    whatever they do.

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Fri May 2 14:09:29 2025
    In message <m7hvukFber7U1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
    <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> writes

    Having watched few episodes of Digging for Britain over the past few
    weeks I note that on quite a few sites all the members of the
    archaeology dig crews are wearing hard hats, safety glasses and hi-vis
    tops and trousers. Aerial shots show the only "machinery" is a shovel,
    trowel and a wheel barrow. No deep holes and flat landscape.

    Is this Elfin Safety gone mad?


    I've got all my PPE from my work days However I did have to return the
    ear defenders and anti-laser googles . The full Monty apart from those.
    Maybe I should use it for going down to the shops - well you never know.

    I quite fancy this

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61+ITT-eJZL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

    It would be useful for the next pandemic.

    Brian
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  • From Tricky Dicky@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Fri May 2 15:09:14 2025
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    Having watched few episodes of Digging for Britain over the past few
    weeks I note that on quite a few sites all the members of the
    archaeology dig crews are wearing hard hats, safety glasses and hi-vis
    tops and trousers. Aerial shots show the only "machinery" is a shovel,
    trowel and a wheel barrow. No deep holes and flat landscape.

    Is this Elfin Safety gone mad?


    I suppose some digs are deeper and it is probably easier to have one rule
    to cover all circumstances rather than making individual risk assessments
    as which PPE is required.

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 2 18:01:21 2025
    On 01/05/2025 20:21, alan_m wrote:

    Having watched  few episodes of Digging for Britain over the past few
    weeks I note that on quite a few sites all the members of the
    archaeology dig crews are wearing hard hats, safety glasses and hi-vis
    tops and trousers. Aerial shots show the only "machinery" is a shovel,
    trowel and a wheel barrow. No deep holes and flat landscape.

    Is this Elfin Safety gone mad?

    Even back in the '90s, when I was supervising the installation of the
    controls on new sewage works scraper bridges, one of the electricians
    struggled to make terminations inside a control panel, with his hard-hat
    on. After repeated problems, he took it off and was immediately pounced
    on by site management. There were no cranes on site, no work within 100m
    of him and the panel was the highest point on the site! There was no
    common sense, even then.

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to brian on Fri May 2 20:24:52 2025
    On 02/05/2025 14:09, brian wrote:
    In message <m7hvukFber7U1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> writes

    Having watched  few episodes of Digging for Britain over the past few
    weeks I note that on quite a few sites all the members of the
    archaeology dig crews are wearing hard hats, safety glasses and hi-vis
    tops and trousers. Aerial shots show the only "machinery" is a shovel,
    trowel and a wheel barrow. No deep holes and flat landscape.

    Is this Elfin Safety gone mad?


    I've got all my PPE from my work days  However I did have to return the
    ear defenders and anti-laser googles  . The full Monty apart from those. Maybe I should use it for going down to the shops - well you never know.

    I quite fancy this

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61+ITT-eJZL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

    It would be useful for the next pandemic.

    You might not need to wait that long.
    It's been terribly sunny these last few days and I would rate that lot
    as Sun Protection Factor 120.


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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Tricky Dicky on Sat May 3 07:39:23 2025
    On 02/05/2025 16:09, Tricky Dicky wrote:
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    Having watched few episodes of Digging for Britain over the past few
    weeks I note that on quite a few sites all the members of the
    archaeology dig crews are wearing hard hats, safety glasses and hi-vis
    tops and trousers. Aerial shots show the only "machinery" is a shovel,
    trowel and a wheel barrow. No deep holes and flat landscape.

    Is this Elfin Safety gone mad?


    I suppose some digs are deeper and it is probably easier to have one rule
    to cover all circumstances rather than making individual risk assessments
    as which PPE is required.


    The TV program covers various digs in the same episode and no PPE to
    that extent, no hard hats, no safety glasses, no hi-vis on the other digs.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Sat May 3 22:30:24 2025
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 02/05/2025 16:09, Tricky Dicky wrote:
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    Having watched few episodes of Digging for Britain over the past few
    weeks I note that on quite a few sites all the members of the
    archaeology dig crews are wearing hard hats, safety glasses and hi-vis
    tops and trousers. Aerial shots show the only "machinery" is a shovel,
    trowel and a wheel barrow. No deep holes and flat landscape.

    Is this Elfin Safety gone mad?


    I suppose some digs are deeper and it is probably easier to have one rule to cover all circumstances rather than making individual risk assessments as which PPE is required.


    The TV program covers various digs in the same episode and no PPE to
    that extent, no hard hats, no safety glasses, no hi-vis on the other digs.

    Some of the sites they do are for HS2, road projects, etc. Perhaps those projects have blanket rules about PPE? eg railway hi viz is orange, so if
    you see orange on a railway project it's likely to have been mandated by the project management. Often the rules apply to both direct employees and contractors - the archaeologists might be working for a consultancy like
    Oxford Archaeology, but as they're contractors then the standard PPE rules
    will apply.

    Theo

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