So...
I hauled down my big piece of wheeled luggage from on top of the
wardrobe for the first time in about three years[1] and directly above
it a piece of the ceiling, in the corner made by the front and side
walls, is falling away.
Suspecting water damage but seeing no tell-tale water marks on the
luggage I went up into the crawl space immediately above the damage.
No sign of water damage there. The loft boards are intact, the joists
are dry and the insulation between the joists appears dry and
untouched. Nothing's been touched up there since I last stowed my
luggage there so the plaster could have fallen away at any time within
the past three years or so and for all I know may have happened
gradually or all at once. I think this is an old lath-and-plaster
ceiling probably with a skim coat over the top. Could the skim just
have decided to separate at that point?
I can't really move the wardrobe to take a proper look until I get
back home again[2] but in the meantime I've laid plastic sheet in that
area of the roof space so that if any water drips from anywhere I
ought to find it.
Any thoughts about what may have been going on?
Thanks,
Nick
[1]I've been flying handluggage only for a while but this time I
can't.
[2]Just in case Burglar Bill is reading this, I'm leaving my two very
large and hungry XL Bully dogs wandering free on the premises while
I'm gone.[3][4]
[3]Just in case the RSPCA are reading this, only joking at [2] above!
[4] Just in case the Police Dangerous Dogs Unit are reading this, the
most dangerous animals on my property at the moment seem to be the
passing cats who shit on my grass.
In message <oaep1kp6icjrdf9ufj7173jks3q89daa0u@4ax.com>, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
So...
I hauled down my big piece of wheeled luggage from on top of the
wardrobe for the first time in about three years[1] and directly
above it a piece of the ceiling, in the corner made by the front and
side walls, is falling away.
Suspecting water damage but seeing no tell-tale water marks on the
luggage I went up into the crawl space immediately above the damage.
No sign of water damage there. The loft boards are intact, the joists
are dry and the insulation between the joists appears dry and
untouched. Nothing's been touched up there since I last stowed my
luggage there so the plaster could have fallen away at any time
within the past three years or so and for all I know may have
happened gradually or all at once. I think this is an old
lath-and-plaster ceiling probably with a skim coat over the top.
Could the skim just have decided to separate at that point?
I can't really move the wardrobe to take a proper look until I get
back home again[2] but in the meantime I've laid plastic sheet in
that area of the roof space so that if any water drips from anywhere
I ought to find it.
Any thoughts about what may have been going on?
Thanks,
Nick
[1]I've been flying handluggage only for a while but this time I
can't.
[2]Just in case Burglar Bill is reading this, I'm leaving my two very
large and hungry XL Bully dogs wandering free on the premises while
I'm gone.[3][4]
[3]Just in case the RSPCA are reading this, only joking at [2] above!
[4] Just in case the Police Dangerous Dogs Unit are reading this, the
most dangerous animals on my property at the moment seem to be the
passing cats who shit on my grass.
I had something like that when I moved in here 30 years ago. .A
plaster and lath ceiling in the downstairs back porch .
The ceiling looked like old water damage and it was not obvious
where it came from . We had an extremely heavy shower one day and
what was happening was the gutter was overflowing into the roof space
and down the inside wall to the downstairs ceiling . The gutter was
actually sloping the wrong way , away from the down pipe . It
happened very infrequently but enough to damage the plaster over time.
I was having some chimney rendering work done and I asked the
roofer to realign the gutter. He was most amused when I went up the scaffolding with a kettle of water to see if it now flowed the right
way. It seemed to the roofer that someone had done a bodged repair
in the distant past that misaligned the slope.
I tore the ceiling down - fortunately it was only about a couple of
metre square, but it was a terribly messy and dusty job. I put in
plaster board with a skim of plaster ( it took me a long time to get
it smooth))
My advice is to check the gutters .
You can get robotic guard dogs that wont incur the wrath of the RSPCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f93akjQW100
Brian
In message <oaep1kp6icjrdf9ufj7173jks3q89daa0u@4ax.com>, Nick Odell ><nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
So...
I hauled down my big piece of wheeled luggage from on top of the
wardrobe for the first time in about three years[1] and directly above
it a piece of the ceiling, in the corner made by the front and side
walls, is falling away.
Suspecting water damage but seeing no tell-tale water marks on the
luggage I went up into the crawl space immediately above the damage.
No sign of water damage there. The loft boards are intact, the joists
are dry and the insulation between the joists appears dry and
untouched. Nothing's been touched up there since I last stowed my
luggage there so the plaster could have fallen away at any time within
the past three years or so and for all I know may have happened
gradually or all at once. I think this is an old lath-and-plaster
ceiling probably with a skim coat over the top. Could the skim just
have decided to separate at that point?
I can't really move the wardrobe to take a proper look until I get
back home again[2] but in the meantime I've laid plastic sheet in that
area of the roof space so that if any water drips from anywhere I
ought to find it.
Any thoughts about what may have been going on?
Thanks,
Nick
[1]I've been flying handluggage only for a while but this time I
can't.
[2]Just in case Burglar Bill is reading this, I'm leaving my two very
large and hungry XL Bully dogs wandering free on the premises while
I'm gone.[3][4]
[3]Just in case the RSPCA are reading this, only joking at [2] above!
[4] Just in case the Police Dangerous Dogs Unit are reading this, the
most dangerous animals on my property at the moment seem to be the
passing cats who shit on my grass.
I had something like that when I moved in here 30 years ago. .A plaster
and lath ceiling in the downstairs back porch .
The ceiling looked like old water damage and it was not obvious where
it came from . We had an extremely heavy shower one day and what was >happening was the gutter was overflowing into the roof space and down
the inside wall to the downstairs ceiling . The gutter was actually
sloping the wrong way , away from the down pipe . It happened very >infrequently but enough to damage the plaster over time.
I was having some chimney rendering work done and I asked the roofer to
realign the gutter. He was most amused when I went up the scaffolding
with a kettle of water to see if it now flowed the right way. It seemed
to the roofer that someone had done a bodged repair in the distant past
that misaligned the slope.
I tore the ceiling down - fortunately it was only about a couple of
metre square, but it was a terribly messy and dusty job. I put in
plaster board with a skim of plaster ( it took me a long time to get it >smooth))
My advice is to check the gutters .
You can get robotic guard dogs that wont incur the wrath of the RSPCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f93akjQW100
On Fri, 9 May 2025 08:25:39 +0100, brian <nospam@b-howie.co.uk> wrote:
In message <oaep1kp6icjrdf9ufj7173jks3q89daa0u@4ax.com>, Nick Odell >><nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writesGood point about the gutters. I'll check next time it is raining.
So...
I hauled down my big piece of wheeled luggage from on top of the
wardrobe for the first time in about three years[1] and directly above
it a piece of the ceiling, in the corner made by the front and side >>>walls, is falling away.
Suspecting water damage but seeing no tell-tale water marks on the >>>luggage I went up into the crawl space immediately above the damage.
No sign of water damage there. The loft boards are intact, the joists
are dry and the insulation between the joists appears dry and
untouched. Nothing's been touched up there since I last stowed my
luggage there so the plaster could have fallen away at any time within >>>the past three years or so and for all I know may have happened
gradually or all at once. I think this is an old lath-and-plaster
ceiling probably with a skim coat over the top. Could the skim just
have decided to separate at that point?
I can't really move the wardrobe to take a proper look until I get
back home again[2] but in the meantime I've laid plastic sheet in that >>>area of the roof space so that if any water drips from anywhere I
ought to find it.
Any thoughts about what may have been going on?
Thanks,
Nick
[1]I've been flying handluggage only for a while but this time I
can't.
[2]Just in case Burglar Bill is reading this, I'm leaving my two very >>>large and hungry XL Bully dogs wandering free on the premises while
I'm gone.[3][4]
[3]Just in case the RSPCA are reading this, only joking at [2] above!
[4] Just in case the Police Dangerous Dogs Unit are reading this, the >>>most dangerous animals on my property at the moment seem to be the >>>passing cats who shit on my grass.
I had something like that when I moved in here 30 years ago. .A plaster
and lath ceiling in the downstairs back porch .
The ceiling looked like old water damage and it was not obvious where
it came from . We had an extremely heavy shower one day and what was >>happening was the gutter was overflowing into the roof space and down
the inside wall to the downstairs ceiling . The gutter was actually
sloping the wrong way , away from the down pipe . It happened very >>infrequently but enough to damage the plaster over time.
I was having some chimney rendering work done and I asked the roofer to >>realign the gutter. He was most amused when I went up the scaffolding
with a kettle of water to see if it now flowed the right way. It seemed
to the roofer that someone had done a bodged repair in the distant past >>that misaligned the slope.
I tore the ceiling down - fortunately it was only about a couple of
metre square, but it was a terribly messy and dusty job. I put in
plaster board with a skim of plaster ( it took me a long time to get it >>smooth))
My advice is to check the gutters .
You can get robotic guard dogs that wont incur the wrath of the RSPCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f93akjQW100
I live on a hill in a Victorian terrace where each house is about 70cm
lower down the hill than the previous one and we share one surface
water drain per two houses. I have the drain and my neighbour's gutter
drains into my gutter through a short downpipe so there can be quite a
volume of water up there. True, the patch on the ceiling is on that
side.
However: the water appears to run pretty freely into my downpipe while
my neighbour's gutter is regularly getting blocked. To the extent that
water often cascades from there onto the pavement below. But I haven't >noticed any damp problems on that side of the house either.
Nick
On Fri, 9 May 2025 08:25:39 +0100
brian <nospam@b-howie.co.uk> wrote:
You can get robotic guard dogs that wont incur the wrath of the RSPCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f93akjQW100
Brian
But can they re-align gutters?
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