I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years. Maybe they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry.
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years. Maybe
they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry.
On 9/05/25 12:04, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years. Maybe
they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry.
Bleached chicken?
On 9 May 2025 at 05:54:21 BST, "Titus G" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 9/05/25 12:04, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:Bleached chicken?
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years. Maybe >>> they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry. >>
No chlorinated chicken or hormone treated beef, apparently.
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years.
Maybe they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry.
On Fri, 9 May 2025 01:04:54 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years.
Maybe they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry.
Why do we have to 'take' anything? Who is going to force me to buy
American produce, or will they be able to disguise the country of
origin? Could they maybe put a Union Jack on it with the words in
small print: 'lovingly imported into the UK' :-)
The Canadians seem to be voting with their feet.
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years. Maybe
they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry.
Re: chlorinated chicken. That's just chicken that's been washed with water >containing a small amount of chlorine. Just like tap water, then, and is
what
already happens with veg imported from the Netherlands.
On Fri, 9 May 2025 01:04:54 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years.
Maybe they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry.
Why do we have to 'take' anything? Who is going to force me to buy
American produce, or will they be able to disguise the country of
origin? Could they maybe put a Union Jack on it with the words in
small print: 'lovingly imported into the UK' :-)
The Canadians seem to be voting with their feet.
Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 09:35:14 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 09/05/2025 in message <m85qu5Fgo6cU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater >>> wrote:
Re: chlorinated chicken. That's just chicken that's been washed with water >>>> containing a small amount of chlorine. Just like tap water, then, and is >>>> what
already happens with veg imported from the Netherlands.
The concern I have seen expressed is that they have lower animal welfare >>> standards which is washed away with chlorine.
What I've seen expressed is that the ever increasing chlorine
component in the wash, allows for ever reducing hygeine standards in
the food production process.
Exactly. UK chicken doesn't need to be washed with disinfectant
because it's produced in a way not to introduce bacterial contamination. If you wash with disinfectant you can get away with more bacteria to begin with because you hope the bleach will kill them. That means you can breed chickens in worse conditions knowing full well they have salmonella/etc because the disinfectant will 'fix it'.
Such chickens are cheaper to breed and so it's inevitable they will be able to out-compete chickens that are kept in better conditions.
Theo
On 9 May 2025 09:35:14 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 09/05/2025 in message <m85qu5Fgo6cU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater >wrote:
Re: chlorinated chicken. That's just chicken that's been washed with water >>containing a small amount of chlorine. Just like tap water, then, and is >>what
already happens with veg imported from the Netherlands.
The concern I have seen expressed is that they have lower animal welfare >standards which is washed away with chlorine.
What I've seen expressed is that the ever increasing chlorine
component in the wash, allows for ever reducing hygeine standards in
the food production process.
On 09/05/2025 01:04, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:Nothing that you have to buy...
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years. Maybe
they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry. >>
Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 09:35:14 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 09/05/2025 in message <m85qu5Fgo6cU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
wrote:
Re: chlorinated chicken. That's just chicken that's been washed with water >> >>containing a small amount of chlorine. Just like tap water, then, and is >> >>what
already happens with veg imported from the Netherlands.
The concern I have seen expressed is that they have lower animal welfare
standards which is washed away with chlorine.
What I've seen expressed is that the ever increasing chlorine
component in the wash, allows for ever reducing hygeine standards in
the food production process.
Exactly. UK chicken doesn't need to be washed with disinfectant
because it's produced in a way not to introduce bacterial contamination. If >you wash with disinfectant you can get away with more bacteria to begin with >because you hope the bleach will kill them. That means you can breed >chickens in worse conditions knowing full well they have salmonella/etc >because the disinfectant will 'fix it'.
Such chickens are cheaper to breed and so it's inevitable they will be able >to out-compete chickens that are kept in better conditions.
On Fri, 9 May 2025 10:04:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher ><tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 09/05/2025 01:04, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:Nothing that you have to buy...
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US >>>>each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send >>>>75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest >>>>of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the >>>>remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years. Maybe >>>they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food >>>industry.
As I am querying upstream, is there any obligation to disclose country
of origin? If they mark it as 'packed in the UK' would people realise
the significance? If you import a calf from the US, how long would it
take to acquire British citizenship?
Maybe somebody will start a 'free from' labelling scheme, but it's very unlikely that a burger from the chippy is going to have it.
On Thu, 8 May 2025 22:52:46 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 5/8/2025 8:04 PM, Sam Plusnet wrote:English Cheddar is clearly the best cheese in the world. So, there's
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:If I had to guess, based on a reduction in Wisconsin cheese in prepared
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years. Maybe >>> they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry. >>
foods here, you'll be eating Wisconsin Cheese :-) That has to go somewhere. >>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_cheese
"In 2014, Wisconsin produced 2.9 billion pounds of cheese,
accounting for 25.4% of all cheese produced in the U.S."
Perhaps you will receive American cars... with cheese wheels in the back seat.
As part of your balance of trade.
Paul
going to be no problem with such considerations in this household.
I do think it's both sad and damaging that this "Arrangement", as it develops, is going to drive a wedge between the British and Europe,
and Canada too, in terms of trade and diplomacy.
On 09/05/2025 11:31, Theo wrote:
Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:All chickens and eggs have salmonella.
On 9 May 2025 09:35:14 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 09/05/2025 in message <m85qu5Fgo6cU1@mid.individual.net> Tim
Streater
wrote:
Re: chlorinated chicken. That's just chicken that's been washed
with water
containing a small amount of chlorine. Just like tap water, then,
and is
what
already happens with veg imported from the Netherlands.
The concern I have seen expressed is that they have lower animal
welfare
standards which is washed away with chlorine.
What I've seen expressed is that the ever increasing chlorine
component in the wash, allows for ever reducing hygeine standards in
the food production process.
Exactly. UK chicken doesn't need to be washed with disinfectant
because it's produced in a way not to introduce bacterial
contamination. If
you wash with disinfectant you can get away with more bacteria to
begin with
because you hope the bleach will kill them. That means you can breed
chickens in worse conditions knowing full well they have salmonella/etc
because the disinfectant will 'fix it'.
Such chickens are cheaper to breed and so it's inevitable they will be
able
to out-compete chickens that are kept in better conditions.
Theo
I am coming to the conclusion that the more processed the food is the
worse it tastes overall
On 09/05/2025 in message <m85qu5Fgo6cU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater wrote:
Re: chlorinated chicken. That's just chicken that's been washed with water >> containing a small amount of chlorine. Just like tap water, then, and is
what
already happens with veg imported from the Netherlands.
The concern I have seen expressed is that they have lower animal welfare standards which is washed away with chlorine.
On 09 May 2025 11:31:08 +0100 (BST), Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:Is salmonella poisoning from chicken and pork not an issue in the UK
On 9 May 2025 09:35:14 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 09/05/2025 in message <m85qu5Fgo6cU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater >>>> wrote:
Re: chlorinated chicken. That's just chicken that's been washed with water
containing a small amount of chlorine. Just like tap water, then, and is >>>>> what
already happens with veg imported from the Netherlands.
The concern I have seen expressed is that they have lower animal welfare >>>> standards which is washed away with chlorine.
What I've seen expressed is that the ever increasing chlorine
component in the wash, allows for ever reducing hygeine standards in
the food production process.
Exactly. UK chicken doesn't need to be washed with disinfectant
because it's produced in a way not to introduce bacterial contamination. If >> you wash with disinfectant you can get away with more bacteria to begin with >> because you hope the bleach will kill them. That means you can breed
chickens in worse conditions knowing full well they have salmonella/etc
because the disinfectant will 'fix it'.
Such chickens are cheaper to breed and so it's inevitable they will be able >> to out-compete chickens that are kept in better conditions.
also? Why do they always tell you to cook them thoroughly?
On 09/05/2025 10:25, Theo wrote:
Maybe somebody will start a 'free from' labelling scheme, but it's very
unlikely that a burger from the chippy is going to have it.
Consumer pressure may force it. Quite a few milk producers, that sell
their milk, are now including on the packaging that their herds are not
being fed anti-flatulence additives.
On 09/05/2025 10:25, Theo wrote:
Maybe somebody will start a 'free from' labelling scheme, but it's very
unlikely that a burger from the chippy is going to have it.
Consumer pressure may force it. Quite a few milk producers, that sell
their milk, are now including on the packaging that their herds are not
being fed anti-flatulence additives.
On 09/05/2025 10:25, Theo wrote:
Maybe somebody will start a 'free from' labelling scheme, but it's very unlikely that a burger from the chippy is going to have it.
Consumer pressure may force it. Quite a few milk producers, that sell
their milk, are now including on the packaging that their herds are not
being fed anti-flatulence additives.
Love it or hate it social media these days can influence a large
percentage of the population and it it only takes a campaign saying that brand X pies contain USA chlorinated chicken and/or USA beef fed with
growth hormones and sales will be lost.
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:So fucking learn to cook, eejit
On 09/05/2025 10:25, Theo wrote:
Maybe somebody will start a 'free from' labelling scheme, but it's very
unlikely that a burger from the chippy is going to have it.
Consumer pressure may force it. Quite a few milk producers, that sell
their milk, are now including on the packaging that their herds are not
being fed anti-flatulence additives.
When you go down the chippy, where do you get to read the labels on their ingredients? Telling you the kind of fish in the fish and chips is about as far as it goes, but less likely to say where it came from and whether it was sustainably caught.
Yes there are schemes like MSC that fancier outlets subscribe to, but I
doubt your common or garden fried chicken shop is going to be queuing
up to join them.
Love it or hate it social media these days can influence a large
percentage of the population and it it only takes a campaign saying that
brand X pies contain USA chlorinated chicken and/or USA beef fed with
growth hormones and sales will be lost.
*If* you get to see a brand. But a lot of food consumed in restaurants, takeaways and the like is unbranded.
Theo
On 09/05/2025 12:41, alan_m wrote:
On 09/05/2025 10:25, Theo wrote:
Maybe somebody will start a 'free from' labelling scheme, but it's very
unlikely that a burger from the chippy is going to have it.
Consumer pressure may force it. Quite a few milk producers, that sell
their milk, are now including on the packaging that their herds are not
being fed anti-flatulence additives.
There might be some tree huggers where reducing bovine methane
production is a good thing?
On 9/05/25 12:04, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years. Maybe
they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry.
Bleached chicken?
On Fri, 9 May 2025 01:04:54 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years.
Maybe they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry.
Why do we have to 'take' anything? Who is going to force me to buy
American produce, or will they be able to disguise the country of
origin? Could they maybe put a Union Jack on it with the words in
small print: 'lovingly imported into the UK' :-)
The Canadians seem to be voting with their feet.
On Thu, 5/8/2025 8:04 PM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years. Maybe they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry.
If I had to guess, based on a reduction in Wisconsin cheese in prepared
foods here, you'll be eating Wisconsin Cheese :-) That has to go somewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_cheese
"In 2014, Wisconsin produced 2.9 billion pounds of cheese,
accounting for 25.4% of all cheese produced in the U.S."
Perhaps you will receive American cars... with cheese wheels in the back seat.
As part of your balance of trade.
Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 09:35:14 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 09/05/2025 in message <m85qu5Fgo6cU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater >>> wrote:
Re: chlorinated chicken. That's just chicken that's been washed with water >>>> containing a small amount of chlorine. Just like tap water, then, and is >>>> what
already happens with veg imported from the Netherlands.
The concern I have seen expressed is that they have lower animal welfare >>> standards which is washed away with chlorine.
What I've seen expressed is that the ever increasing chlorine
component in the wash, allows for ever reducing hygeine standards in
the food production process.
Exactly. UK chicken doesn't need to be washed with disinfectant
because it's produced in a way not to introduce bacterial contamination. If you wash with disinfectant you can get away with more bacteria to begin with because you hope the bleach will kill them. That means you can breed chickens in worse conditions knowing full well they have salmonella/etc because the disinfectant will 'fix it'.
Such chickens are cheaper to breed and so it's inevitable they will be able to out-compete chickens that are kept in better conditions.
On 09/05/2025 03:52, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 5/8/2025 8:04 PM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years.
Maybe they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food
industry.
If I had to guess, based on a reduction in Wisconsin cheese in prepared
foods here, you'll be eating Wisconsin Cheese :-) That has to go
somewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_cheese
"In 2014, Wisconsin produced 2.9 billion pounds of cheese,
accounting for 25.4% of all cheese produced in the U.S."
Perhaps you will receive American cars... with cheese wheels in the
back seat.
As part of your balance of trade.
I see no problem with American cars being sent here. I just cannot
imagine why anyone would buy something which is unsuited to UK roads.
On 09/05/2025 11:31, Theo wrote:
Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 09:35:14 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 09/05/2025 in message <m85qu5Fgo6cU1@mid.individual.net> Tim
Streater
wrote:
Re: chlorinated chicken. That's just chicken that's been washed
with water
containing a small amount of chlorine. Just like tap water, then,
and is
what
already happens with veg imported from the Netherlands.
The concern I have seen expressed is that they have lower animal
welfare
standards which is washed away with chlorine.
What I've seen expressed is that the ever increasing chlorine
component in the wash, allows for ever reducing hygeine standards in
the food production process.
Exactly. UK chicken doesn't need to be washed with disinfectant
because it's produced in a way not to introduce bacterial
contamination. If
you wash with disinfectant you can get away with more bacteria to
begin with
because you hope the bleach will kill them. That means you can breed
chickens in worse conditions knowing full well they have salmonella/etc
because the disinfectant will 'fix it'.
Such chickens are cheaper to breed and so it's inevitable they will be
able
to out-compete chickens that are kept in better conditions.
You make it sound Darwinian.
Survival of the nastiest.
Perhaps you will receive American cars... with cheese wheels in the back >>seat.
As part of your balance of trade.
I see no problem with American cars being sent here. I just cannot
imagine why anyone would buy something which is unsuited to UK roads.
On 09/05/2025 in message <vztTP.87541$2cJc.83323@fx15.ams1> Sam Plusnet wrote:
Perhaps you will receive American cars... with cheese wheels in the
back seat.
As part of your balance of trade.
I see no problem with American cars being sent here. I just cannot
imagine why anyone would buy something which is unsuited to UK roads.
They are actually unsuitable for driving so nobody will want one.
On 09/05/2025 in message <vztTP.87541$2cJc.83323@fx15.ams1> Sam Plusnet wrote:
Perhaps you will receive American cars... with cheese wheels in the back >>> seat.
As part of your balance of trade.
I see no problem with American cars being sent here. I just cannot
imagine why anyone would buy something which is unsuited to UK roads.
They are actually unsuitable for driving so nobody will want one.
On 09/05/2025 21:31, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 09/05/2025 11:31, Theo wrote:I just made a chicken pilao. Out of frozen chicken breasts, They weren't cheap and they tasted of next to nothing.
Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 09:35:14 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 09/05/2025 in message <m85qu5Fgo6cU1@mid.individual.net> Tim
Streater
wrote:
Re: chlorinated chicken. That's just chicken that's been washed
with water
containing a small amount of chlorine. Just like tap water, then,
and is
what
already happens with veg imported from the Netherlands.
The concern I have seen expressed is that they have lower animal
welfare
standards which is washed away with chlorine.
What I've seen expressed is that the ever increasing chlorine
component in the wash, allows for ever reducing hygeine standards in
the food production process.
Exactly. UK chicken doesn't need to be washed with disinfectant
because it's produced in a way not to introduce bacterial
contamination. If
you wash with disinfectant you can get away with more bacteria to
begin with
because you hope the bleach will kill them. That means you can breed
chickens in worse conditions knowing full well they have salmonella/etc
because the disinfectant will 'fix it'.
Such chickens are cheaper to breed and so it's inevitable they will be
able to out-compete chickens that are kept in better conditions.
You make it sound Darwinian.
Survival of the nastiest.
Interesting. Strikes me, from a very limited snapshot, that you're quite a nationalist, protectionist, insular country? Isn't the headline 'buy Canadian,
and if not Canadian, anything else, but never US' likely to fly? I'd have thought that might work for dairy, and maybe most foods?
Of course, that doesn't help your exports . . .
On Fri, 5/9/2025 3:50 AM, Scott wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 01:04:54 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:Why do we have to 'take' anything? Who is going to force me to buy
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years.
Maybe they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry. >>
American produce, or will they be able to disguise the country of
origin? Could they maybe put a Union Jack on it with the words in
small print: 'lovingly imported into the UK' :-)
The Canadians seem to be voting with their feet.
We won't be able to stop it (I'm Canadian).
They will smash our dairy industry, by flooding the market
with cheap milk and dairy products.
Our industry runs on a quota system. A small dairy farmer
in Quebec with 100 head of cows, can run a dairy operation,
knowing what his price will be, and what his inputs cost. This
is intended to stabilize the industry, and allow small farmers
to continue to farm.
the Americans are factory-farmers. They want to compete against
other factory-farmers, so that the whole world has cows-in-crates
making milk. Our small diary farmers will be kicked to the curb,
factories will take over, with large number of head.
One reason this is a trade issue for us, is there are separatist
sentiments in parts of the country. Where the farmers are located,
they will complain bitterly if their stabilized system is removed.
It's not that they don't like competition, it's that they
will all lose their farms when the new trade deal gives them
away as a chattel (they won't be able to sell their milk at
a price that pays for the feed). And then that part of the country
will be "unhappy" with the treatment. Unhappy farm hands
wandering the streets.
This means our Prime Minister is between a rock and a hard place.
He cannot afford to give away the diary industry, from a national
unity perspective. Yet the Americans will of course, insist.
If I were a farmer right now in Quebec, I would be packing
my bags for retirement. You have to consider what employment
possibilities exist in rural areas.
The trade deal is "mostly about giving things away", like some
sort of "going out of business sale".
Since I cannot see this happening, there will be no deal, and... tariffs.
And, we will be trading with someone else. Maybe the people
in Antarctica need our softwood lumber. we can trade that
tariffed Penguin Poop with them.
As nothing seems to have been signed ...
On 08/05/2025 in message <i53q1kl7qugfbu5s75d18banobqc8criuc@4ax.com>
Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I think we will have a better idea once Starmer has extracted his head
from Trump's arse and can talk coherently again.
On 9 May 2025 at 20:25:02 BST, Paul wrote:
On Fri, 5/9/2025 3:50 AM, Scott wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 01:04:54 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US >>>>> each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send >>>>> 75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest >>>>> of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years.
Maybe they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry.
Why do we have to 'take' anything? Who is going to force me to buy
American produce, or will they be able to disguise the country of
origin? Could they maybe put a Union Jack on it with the words in
small print: 'lovingly imported into the UK' :-)
The Canadians seem to be voting with their feet.
We won't be able to stop it (I'm Canadian).
They will smash our dairy industry, by flooding the market
with cheap milk and dairy products.
Our industry runs on a quota system. A small dairy farmer
in Quebec with 100 head of cows, can run a dairy operation,
knowing what his price will be, and what his inputs cost. This
is intended to stabilize the industry, and allow small farmers
to continue to farm.
the Americans are factory-farmers. They want to compete against
other factory-farmers, so that the whole world has cows-in-crates
making milk. Our small diary farmers will be kicked to the curb,
factories will take over, with large number of head.
One reason this is a trade issue for us, is there are separatist
sentiments in parts of the country. Where the farmers are located,
they will complain bitterly if their stabilized system is removed.
It's not that they don't like competition, it's that they
will all lose their farms when the new trade deal gives them
away as a chattel (they won't be able to sell their milk at
a price that pays for the feed). And then that part of the country
will be "unhappy" with the treatment. Unhappy farm hands
wandering the streets.
This means our Prime Minister is between a rock and a hard place.
He cannot afford to give away the diary industry, from a national
unity perspective. Yet the Americans will of course, insist.
If I were a farmer right now in Quebec, I would be packing
my bags for retirement. You have to consider what employment
possibilities exist in rural areas.
The trade deal is "mostly about giving things away", like some
sort of "going out of business sale".
Since I cannot see this happening, there will be no deal, and... tariffs.
And, we will be trading with someone else. Maybe the people
in Antarctica need our softwood lumber. we can trade that
tariffed Penguin Poop with them.
Interesting. Strikes me, from a very limited snapshot, that you're quite a nationalist, protectionist, insular country? Isn't the headline 'buy Canadian,
and if not Canadian, anything else, but never US' likely to fly? I'd have thought that might work for dairy, and maybe most foods?
Of course, that doesn't help your exports . . .
On 09/05/2025 01:04, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:Nothing that you have to buy...
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years.
Maybe they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food
industry.
On Fri, 5/9/2025 3:50 AM, Scott wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 01:04:54 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:Why do we have to 'take' anything? Who is going to force me to buy
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years.
Maybe they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry. >>
American produce, or will they be able to disguise the country of
origin? Could they maybe put a Union Jack on it with the words in
small print: 'lovingly imported into the UK' :-)
The Canadians seem to be voting with their feet.
We won't be able to stop it (I'm Canadian).
They will smash our dairy industry, by flooding the market
with cheap milk and dairy products.
Our industry runs on a quota system. A small dairy farmer
in Quebec with 100 head of cows, can run a dairy operation,
knowing what his price will be, and what his inputs cost. This
is intended to stabilize the industry, and allow small farmers
to continue to farm.
the Americans are factory-farmers. They want to compete against
other factory-farmers, so that the whole world has cows-in-crates
making milk. Our small diary farmers will be kicked to the curb,
factories will take over, with large number of head.
One reason this is a trade issue for us, is there are separatist
sentiments in parts of the country. Where the farmers are located,
they will complain bitterly if their stabilized system is removed.
It's not that they don't like competition, it's that they
will all lose their farms when the new trade deal gives them
away as a chattel (they won't be able to sell their milk at
a price that pays for the feed). And then that part of the country
will be "unhappy" with the treatment. Unhappy farm hands
wandering the streets.
This means our Prime Minister is between a rock and a hard place.
He cannot afford to give away the diary industry, from a national
unity perspective. Yet the Americans will of course, insist.
If I were a farmer right now in Quebec, I would be packing
my bags for retirement. You have to consider what employment
possibilities exist in rural areas.
The trade deal is "mostly about giving things away", like some
sort of "going out of business sale".
Since I cannot see this happening, there will be no deal, and... tariffs.
And, we will be trading with someone else. Maybe the people
in Antarctica need our softwood lumber. we can trade that
tariffed Penguin Poop with them.
On Sat, 5/10/2025 7:15 AM, RJH wrote:
On 9 May 2025 at 20:25:02 BST, Paul wrote:
On Fri, 5/9/2025 3:50 AM, Scott wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 01:04:54 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 08/05/2025 21:01, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US >>>>>> each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send >>>>>> 75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest >>>>>> of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
I am told this agreement has been in discussion for over 20 years.
Maybe they covered this at some point.
I was more interested in what we have to take in from the US food industry.
Why do we have to 'take' anything? Who is going to force me to buy
American produce, or will they be able to disguise the country of
origin? Could they maybe put a Union Jack on it with the words in
small print: 'lovingly imported into the UK' :-)
The Canadians seem to be voting with their feet.
We won't be able to stop it (I'm Canadian).
They will smash our dairy industry, by flooding the market
with cheap milk and dairy products.
Our industry runs on a quota system. A small dairy farmer
in Quebec with 100 head of cows, can run a dairy operation,
knowing what his price will be, and what his inputs cost. This
is intended to stabilize the industry, and allow small farmers
to continue to farm.
the Americans are factory-farmers. They want to compete against
other factory-farmers, so that the whole world has cows-in-crates
making milk. Our small diary farmers will be kicked to the curb,
factories will take over, with large number of head.
One reason this is a trade issue for us, is there are separatist
sentiments in parts of the country. Where the farmers are located,
they will complain bitterly if their stabilized system is removed.
It's not that they don't like competition, it's that they
will all lose their farms when the new trade deal gives them
away as a chattel (they won't be able to sell their milk at
a price that pays for the feed). And then that part of the country
will be "unhappy" with the treatment. Unhappy farm hands
wandering the streets.
This means our Prime Minister is between a rock and a hard place.
He cannot afford to give away the diary industry, from a national
unity perspective. Yet the Americans will of course, insist.
If I were a farmer right now in Quebec, I would be packing
my bags for retirement. You have to consider what employment
possibilities exist in rural areas.
The trade deal is "mostly about giving things away", like some
sort of "going out of business sale".
Since I cannot see this happening, there will be no deal, and... tariffs. >>>
And, we will be trading with someone else. Maybe the people
in Antarctica need our softwood lumber. we can trade that
tariffed Penguin Poop with them.
Interesting. Strikes me, from a very limited snapshot, that you're quite a >> nationalist, protectionist, insular country? Isn't the headline 'buy Canadian,
and if not Canadian, anything else, but never US' likely to fly? I'd have
thought that might work for dairy, and maybe most foods?
Of course, that doesn't help your exports . . .
Ah, not particularly.
when it was suggested we become the 51st state, there was
a campaign, on a certain day, to fly the national flag,
as an example of our "nationalism".
Well, guess what happened. Very few people own a national
flag here. Must be our "nationalism" showing. The guy
across the street, managed to affix a good sized flag to
his garage door. But if you looked up and down the street,
there were a couple tiny flags (the kind people stick in
the lawn on Canada day, the equivalent of our Fourth Of July)
but that was it. You can't go to the store and buy a flag
either, it's not a stock item.
In terms of unifying forces here, we have a large influx of
immigrants. They share nothing with us.
If I go to the grocery store,
I can do the whole trip without hearing a word of English (or French)
the whole time. All the staff are Punjabi. A sense of nationalism,
would start with a sense of community, and I can't honestly say
I can even converse with my "fellow citizens". At least I
can talk to the black people, because they speak English.
Take the grocery buggy problem. The grocery buggies have
"electronic wheel locks", to prevent removal from the perimeter
of the premises. There is a sign prominently placed on the glass
(in English) near one exit, saying "buggies not to be taken past this point". And people who should know better, will run at top speed towards
the exit (the electronic wheel lock will engage), then the
buggy is "stuck" in the exit they were using, and there is a crowd of
people waiting to get through the exit :-/ This is the
kind of fucking "community" I live in. A bunch of fucking
foreign morons.
If there was a draft, and those people were called up
for military service, what would we do ???
I'm not an anti-immigrant person. I'm a live and let live person.
But since you asked the question, of what national identity
we have here, I have to explain the situation at ground level.
But in some good news, our SMR project just started. I was
commenting the other day, about how could it possibly be
ready by 2030, with so much heel dragging. And it just started.
What's important, is not the details ($5 billion for 300MW capacity),
its that a government commitment, actually execute. To prove
that government still works. It will be interesting, to see
just how far over budget this one goes :-) Which is the
whole purpose of the exercise -- "SMR taste test". The reason
we are building this, has nothing to do with "capacity expansion",
as reactors will age out and our nameplate rating will drop
with time. From that perspective, we're "running and not
keeping up", if you were honest about it.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/small-modular-reactor-nuclear-power-ontario-construction-1.7529338
One area of the country, is holding off a bit, until they
see how the budget thing goes on this one. And I think that's
important for them, as they pay extra on their bill for the
nuke they already have. And another nuke financial disaster
is not going to look good.
So if you want a cost estimate, in $CDN, that's an example
of what an SMR could cost you. About five billion $CDN per unit,
amortized over the site. When an area of the country only
installs one of those, the price would be a little higher
because it can't share infrastructure. Maybe now we will see
some PowerPoint slides on how it actually works (a BWR).
What's not to be celebrated is the projected Canadian consumption of energy - almost doubling over the next 25 years. That won't end well whichever way it's
spun.
Well, guess what happened. Very few people own a national
flag here. Must be our "nationalism" showing. The guy
across the street, managed to affix a good sized flag to
his garage door. But if you looked up and down the street,
there were a couple tiny flags (the kind people stick in
the lawn on Canada day, the equivalent of our Fourth Of July)
but that was it. You can't go to the store and buy a flag
either, it's not a stock item.
On 11/05/2025 06:57, RJH wrote:
What's not to be celebrated is the projected Canadian consumption of energy -
almost doubling over the next 25 years. That won't end well whichever way it's
spun.
Energy or electricity? The UK will probably use 2x to 3x electricity, compared to current usage, in the 25 years when 30 million cars switch
from fossil fuel to electrical energy and 20 million homes switch from
gas for central heating. This is ignoring a projected increase in the UK population by 9 million.
On 10/05/2025 14:21, Paul wrote:
Well, guess what happened. Very few people own a national
flag here. Must be our "nationalism" showing. The guy
across the street, managed to affix a good sized flag to
his garage door. But if you looked up and down the street,
there were a couple tiny flags (the kind people stick in
the lawn on Canada day, the equivalent of our Fourth Of July)
but that was it. You can't go to the store and buy a flag
either, it's not a stock item.
I think it's much the same in the UK. You may see a few flags around
when, say, England are playing football but these will be the St George Cross rather than the Union flag.
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the rest
of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for the
remainder of the year?
On 08/05/2025 09:01 PM, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the
rest of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for
the remainder of the year?
How many cars does Jaguar Land Rover produce in a year?
On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:58:46 +0100
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 08/05/2025 09:01 PM, Scott wrote:
I hear the President has agreed to allow 100,000 UK cars into the US
each year tariff free. How does this work? If Jaguar Land Rover send
75,000 vehicles in the first week of January, will this mean the
rest of the car industry will only be able to send 25,000 cars for
the remainder of the year?
How many cars does Jaguar Land Rover produce in a year?
A lot fewer now that Jaguar has told its normal market that they are no longer desired customers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/05/08/jaguar-searches-new-advertising-agency-rebrand-derided/
Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
On 09/05/2025 in message <vztTP.87541$2cJc.83323@fx15.ams1> Sam Plusnet
wrote:
Perhaps you will receive American cars... with cheese wheels in the back >>>> seat.
As part of your balance of trade.
I see no problem with American cars being sent here. I just cannot
imagine why anyone would buy something which is unsuited to UK roads.
They are actually unsuitable for driving so nobody will want one.
Alas suitability for our roads disappeared from many owners minds years
ago. Living, as I do, across the road from a primary school, cars these
days are all about status and in general, the bigger the better. I haven’t seen a Hummer yet but it’s only a matter of time before our cul de sac is rendered impassible by one of these based on the purchasing habits of parents.
Generally young Tarquin and Jemima can’t be transported in anything smaller than a Range Rover although those are really becoming terribly common and something with “Porsche” in the name is to be preferred.
On 10/05/2025 14:21, Paul wrote:
Well, guess what happened. Very few people own a national
flag here. Must be our "nationalism" showing. The guy
across the street, managed to affix a good sized flag to
his garage door. But if you looked up and down the street,
there were a couple tiny flags (the kind people stick in
the lawn on Canada day, the equivalent of our Fourth Of July)
but that was it. You can't go to the store and buy a flag
either, it's not a stock item.
I think it's much the same in the UK. You may see a few flags around
when, say, England are playing football but these will be the St George Cross rather than the Union flag.
On 09/05/2025 21:31, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 09/05/2025 11:31, Theo wrote:I just made a chicken pilao. Out of frozen chicken breasts, They weren't cheap and they tasted of next to nothing.
Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 09:35:14 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 09/05/2025 in message <m85qu5Fgo6cU1@mid.individual.net> Tim
Streater
wrote:
Re: chlorinated chicken. That's just chicken that's been washed
with water
containing a small amount of chlorine. Just like tap water, then,
and is
what
already happens with veg imported from the Netherlands.
The concern I have seen expressed is that they have lower animal
welfare
standards which is washed away with chlorine.
What I've seen expressed is that the ever increasing chlorine
component in the wash, allows for ever reducing hygeine standards in
the food production process.
Exactly. UK chicken doesn't need to be washed with disinfectant
because it's produced in a way not to introduce bacterial
contamination. If
you wash with disinfectant you can get away with more bacteria to
begin with
because you hope the bleach will kill them. That means you can breed
chickens in worse conditions knowing full well they have salmonella/etc
because the disinfectant will 'fix it'.
Such chickens are cheaper to breed and so it's inevitable they will
be able
to out-compete chickens that are kept in better conditions.
You make it sound Darwinian.
Survival of the nastiest.
On 09/05/2025 10:14 PM, Tim+ wrote:
Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
On 09/05/2025 in message <vztTP.87541$2cJc.83323@fx15.ams1> Sam
Plusnet wrote:
Perhaps you will receive American cars... with cheese wheels in
the back seat.
As part of your balance of trade.
I see no problem with American cars being sent here. I just
cannot imagine why anyone would buy something which is unsuited
to UK roads.
They are actually unsuitable for driving so nobody will want one.
Alas suitability for our roads disappeared from many owners minds
years ago. Living, as I do, across the road from a primary school,
cars these days are all about status and in general, the bigger the
better. I haven’t seen a Hummer yet but it’s only a matter of time before our cul de sac is rendered impassible by one of these based
on the purchasing habits of parents.
Generally young Tarquin and Jemima can’t be transported in anything smaller than a Range Rover although those are really becoming
terribly common and something with “Porsche” in the name is to be preferred.
I'm no expert on modern Range Rovers (I still remember when there was
only one model), but one I saw the other day in a nearby car-park
didn't seem big at all. No bigger (and possibly smaller) than a
Citroen Picasso.
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 09/05/2025 10:14 PM, Tim+ wrote:
Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
Sam Plusnet wrote:
Perhaps you will receive American cars... with cheese wheels in
the back seat.
As part of your balance of trade.
I see no problem with American cars being sent here. I just
cannot imagine why anyone would buy something which is unsuited
to UK roads.
They are actually unsuitable for driving so nobody will want one.
Alas suitability for our roads disappeared from many owners minds
years ago. Living, as I do, across the road from a primary school,
cars these days are all about status and in general, the bigger the
better. I haven’t seen a Hummer yet but it’s only a matter of time
before our cul de sac is rendered impassible by one of these based
on the purchasing habits of parents.
Generally young Tarquin and Jemima can’t be transported in anything
smaller than a Range Rover although those are really becoming
terribly common and something with “Porsche” in the name is to be
preferred.
I'm no expert on modern Range Rovers (I still remember when there was
only one model), but one I saw the other day in a nearby car-park
didn't seem big at all. No bigger (and possibly smaller) than a
Citroen Picasso.
Range Rovers are getting rarer.
a) They keep getting stolen and sent abroad, either complete or as
spares
b) People can't afford the insurance, see a)
I'm no expert on modern Range Rovers (I still remember when there was
only one model), but one I saw the other day in a nearby car-park didn't
seem big at all. No bigger (and possibly smaller) than a Citroen Picasso.
JNugent wrote:
I'm no expert on modern Range Rovers (I still remember when there was
only one model), but one I saw the other day in a nearby car-park
didn't seem big at all. No bigger (and possibly smaller) than a
Citroen Picasso.
I don't believe I've ever seen one, but supposedly convertible models exist.
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