• Re: Part time local college course for low cost Adobe

    From Theo@21:1/5 to Mike Halmarack on Sat May 17 16:19:35 2025
    Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
    It looks like a part time local college course will cover eligibility
    for the Student version of Adobe Apps.
    At 78, I may sometimes be reluctant to turn up at the college for
    every session. but I'm prepared to show a fairly admirable level of enthusiasm.
    Does anyone on this forum have any experience or ideas on the subject
    that they can share?

    Adobe is a subscription, so it'll only last the duration of the course. Are you prepared to take a course every year to keep it going? Or is one year enough?

    You could have a look at Affinity, who sell Adobe-competitiors without
    the subscription.

    Theo

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Theo on Sun May 18 00:01:39 2025
    On 17/05/2025 16:19, Theo wrote:
    Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
    It looks like a part time local college course will cover eligibility
    for the Student version of Adobe Apps.
    At 78, I may sometimes be reluctant to turn up at the college for
    every session. but I'm prepared to show a fairly admirable level of
    enthusiasm.
    Does anyone on this forum have any experience or ideas on the subject
    that they can share?

    Adobe is a subscription, so it'll only last the duration of the course. Are you prepared to take a course every year to keep it going? Or is one year enough?

    You could have a look at Affinity, who sell Adobe-competitiors without
    the subscription.

    Or if you don't need the latest versions, the the entire CS2 edition of
    all the main tools is effectively available as a "free" perpetual license...

    (they made a cockup turning off their activations servers at some point
    meaning legit owners could not re-install. So they published a version
    that did not need activation, and it leaked. It is still out there).

    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Mike Halmarack on Sun May 18 09:14:50 2025
    On 17/05/2025 11:35, Mike Halmarack wrote:
    It looks like a part time local college course will cover eligibility
    for the Student version of Adobe Apps.
    At 78, I may sometimes be reluctant to turn up at the college for
    every session. but I'm prepared to show a fairly admirable level of enthusiasm.
    Does anyone on this forum have any experience or ideas on the subject
    that they can share?


    What is the local collage offering? I been on training courses
    associated with the software I used to use at work and in general found
    them not to be too useful. For instance, if the software comes with two hundred menu options the training often consists of mainly taking you
    through each one in turn and trying to give some idea of what each does.
    In real life the chances of using more than 10 options on a daily basis
    is rare. The course does not teach how to do a project start to finish,
    even a simple Noddy project.
    On other courses you only get the most benefit if you have the basic,
    and some advanced, experience before you go on the course.
    These days I've found that Youtube tutorials to be a great source of information for software that is commonly available. You can work at
    your own pace and "rewind" back to a procedure to view again.

    What are you attempting to achieve with Adobe?

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Mike Halmarack on Sun May 18 12:35:21 2025
    On Sun, 18 May 2025 11:24:58 +0100
    Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 17 May 2025 16:19:35 +0100 (BST), Theo
    <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
    It looks like a part time local college course will cover
    eligibility for the Student version of Adobe Apps.
    At 78, I may sometimes be reluctant to turn up at the college for
    every session. but I'm prepared to show a fairly admirable level of
    enthusiasm.
    Does anyone on this forum have any experience or ideas on the
    subject that they can share?

    Adobe is a subscription, so it'll only last the duration of the
    course. Are you prepared to take a course every year to keep it
    going? Or is one year enough?

    You could have a look at Affinity, who sell Adobe-competitiors
    without the subscription.

    Theo
    Ive had a look at the Affinity software and have decided to go for
    it. It looks like it will cover my needs, and Adobe Software is a kind
    of monopolistic extortion. Except perhaps, not any more.

    If you ever used any Serif software (DrawPlus, PagePlus, Craft Artist
    etc.), Affinity is a trade name of Serif.

    --
    Joe

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Mike Halmarack on Sun May 18 13:44:43 2025
    On 18/05/2025 07:54, Mike Halmarack wrote:
    On Sun, 18 May 2025 00:01:39 +0100, John Rumm
    <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    On 17/05/2025 16:19, Theo wrote:
    Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
    It looks like a part time local college course will cover eligibility
    for the Student version of Adobe Apps.
    At 78, I may sometimes be reluctant to turn up at the college for
    every session. but I'm prepared to show a fairly admirable level of
    enthusiasm.
    Does anyone on this forum have any experience or ideas on the subject
    that they can share?

    Adobe is a subscription, so it'll only last the duration of the course. Are
    you prepared to take a course every year to keep it going? Or is one year >>> enough?

    You could have a look at Affinity, who sell Adobe-competitiors without
    the subscription.

    Or if you don't need the latest versions, the the entire CS2 edition of
    all the main tools is effectively available as a "free" perpetual license... >>
    (they made a cockup turning off their activations servers at some point
    meaning legit owners could not re-install. So they published a version
    that did not need activation, and it leaked. It is still out there).

    Thanks, It's quite hard to find in my limited on-line world.
    In my search for it I keep seeing that it's a problem to run on
    anything other than older computers and OS's.

    Seemed ok to me when I tried it just now (running in windows sandbox):

    https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:PsCs2onWin10.png

    (Many of the reported problems relate to not being able install and
    activate the CD that you bought - you need the official Adobe patched
    version that comes with a serial number and does not do online activation)



    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Mike Halmarack on Sun May 18 13:46:13 2025
    On 18/05/2025 07:50, Mike Halmarack wrote:
    On 17 May 2025 16:19:35 +0100 (BST), Theo
    <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
    It looks like a part time local college course will cover eligibility
    for the Student version of Adobe Apps.
    At 78, I may sometimes be reluctant to turn up at the college for
    every session. but I'm prepared to show a fairly admirable level of
    enthusiasm.
    Does anyone on this forum have any experience or ideas on the subject
    that they can share?

    Adobe is a subscription, so it'll only last the duration of the course. Are >> you prepared to take a course every year to keep it going? Or is one year >> enough?

    You could have a look at Affinity, who sell Adobe-competitiors without
    the subscription.

    Theo

    I did subscribe to Adobe software for several years, before I
    retired. So I'm used to it.
    I'm now looking at affinity as you suggested, thanks.

    Also worth looking at the recent 3.x release of GIMP - they have made
    the UI very much like Ps now, and PSD file format compatibility is also
    much improved.


    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Mike Halmarack on Sun May 18 16:17:30 2025
    On 18 May 2025 at 11:21:32 BST, Mike Halmarack wrote:

    On Sun, 18 May 2025 09:14:50 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 17/05/2025 11:35, Mike Halmarack wrote:
    It looks like a part time local college course will cover eligibility
    for the Student version of Adobe Apps.
    At 78, I may sometimes be reluctant to turn up at the college for
    every session. but I'm prepared to show a fairly admirable level of
    enthusiasm.
    Does anyone on this forum have any experience or ideas on the subject
    that they can share?


    What is the local collage offering? I been on training courses
    associated with the software I used to use at work and in general found
    them not to be too useful. For instance, if the software comes with two
    hundred menu options the training often consists of mainly taking you
    through each one in turn and trying to give some idea of what each does.
    In real life the chances of using more than 10 options on a daily basis
    is rare. The course does not teach how to do a project start to finish,
    even a simple Noddy project.
    On other courses you only get the most benefit if you have the basic,
    and some advanced, experience before you go on the course.
    These days I've found that Youtube tutorials to be a great source of
    information for software that is commonly available. You can work at
    your own pace and "rewind" back to a procedure to view again.

    What are you attempting to achieve with Adobe?

    As far as the particular college course is concerned, I was thinking
    of the simplest and least demanding of any kind, just so I could
    qualify for the student Adobe subscription prices.


    I find the pro-level software has steep learning curves. I can just about get
    a handle on Photoshop for example. Then have to relearn most of it if I don't use it for a month or so. I used to teach GIS (at a basic level) and found I'd forgotten most of it when I tried recently. Of course (hopefully!) YMMV.

    At the moment I just want to produce a local magazine, though I would
    develop several more projects based on the availability of suitable
    software.


    Sounds like you'll need DTP - InDesign I think is Adobe's stab. I find old copies of PageMaker work prefectly well. I think it's PM6 I've got running on W10.

    But I use a Mac most of time. I had to do a few A4 info sheets and similar recently - Apple's Pages worked perfectly well, with some very usable
    templates including newsletters. (Even) I can use that pretty much from standing.

    I thinks YouTube is absolutely amazing for instructional videos.
    So I purchased 4K Video Downloader so as to have them available
    offline and without adverts.

    Excellent. Now for some newsletters :-)
    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

    "Men who believe absurdities will commit atrocities."
    -- Voltaire

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Mike Halmarack on Sun May 18 19:56:35 2025
    On Sun, 18 May 2025 13:47:02 +0100
    Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 May 2025 12:35:21 +0100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 May 2025 11:24:58 +0100
    Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 17 May 2025 16:19:35 +0100 (BST), Theo
    <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
    It looks like a part time local college course will cover
    eligibility for the Student version of Adobe Apps.
    At 78, I may sometimes be reluctant to turn up at the college
    for every session. but I'm prepared to show a fairly admirable
    level of enthusiasm.
    Does anyone on this forum have any experience or ideas on the
    subject that they can share?

    Adobe is a subscription, so it'll only last the duration of the
    course. Are you prepared to take a course every year to keep it
    going? Or is one year enough?

    You could have a look at Affinity, who sell Adobe-competitiors
    without the subscription.

    Theo
    Ive had a look at the Affinity software and have decided to go for
    it. It looks like it will cover my needs, and Adobe Software is a
    kind of monopolistic extortion. Except perhaps, not any more.

    If you ever used any Serif software (DrawPlus, PagePlus, Craft Artist >etc.), Affinity is a trade name of Serif.

    Thanks for the info. I wonder how the software you mention here
    compares in function, quality and price with the current suite of
    Affinity programs. It's certainly something else for me to research.

    No, Serif now produces only Affinity applications, all the older
    'legacy' Plus programs are abandoned, and they are old, I used to use
    them a couple of decades ago. What has been annoying is that Craft
    Artist Professional, much more recent, is also abandoned, and many
    people are still using it as there is no real alternative. It would
    have been kind of Serif to open-source it, as it could then be
    maintained by volunteers. I'm sure that very little of the code in it
    is re-used in the Affinity products.

    --
    Joe

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to RJH on Sun May 18 20:19:42 2025
    On 18/05/2025 17:17, RJH wrote:
    I find the pro-level software has steep learning curves. I can just about get a handle on Photoshop for example. Then have to relearn most of it if I don't use it for a month or so. I used to teach GIS (at a basic level) and found I'd
    forgotten most of it when I tried recently. Of course (hopefully!) YMMV.

    At the moment I just want to produce a local magazine, though I would
    develop several more projects based on the availability of suitable
    software.

    Sounds like you'll need DTP - InDesign I think is Adobe's stab. I find old copies of PageMaker work prefectly well. I think it's PM6 I've got running on W10.

    The free option which I find pretty easy to uses is 'Scribus'
    Its well good enough for brochures and flyers.

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/scribus/files/scribus/1.6.4/

    It's basically a layout engine. You have to do graphics maniplulation elsewhere


    But I use a Mac most of time. I had to do a few A4 info sheets and similar recently - Apple's Pages worked perfectly well, with some very usable templates including newsletters. (Even) I can use that pretty much from standing.

    Scribus works on Mac OSX Winders and Linux.

    I thinks YouTube is absolutely amazing for instructional videos.
    So I purchased 4K Video Downloader so as to have them available
    offline and without adverts.
    Excellent. Now for some newsletters 🙂

    --
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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Mike Halmarack on Sun May 18 20:35:03 2025
    On 18/05/2025 13:51, Mike Halmarack wrote:
    On Sun, 18 May 2025 13:44:43 +0100, John Rumm
    <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    On 18/05/2025 07:54, Mike Halmarack wrote:
    On Sun, 18 May 2025 00:01:39 +0100, John Rumm
    <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    On 17/05/2025 16:19, Theo wrote:
    Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:
    It looks like a part time local college course will cover eligibility >>>>>> for the Student version of Adobe Apps.
    At 78, I may sometimes be reluctant to turn up at the college for
    every session. but I'm prepared to show a fairly admirable level of >>>>>> enthusiasm.
    Does anyone on this forum have any experience or ideas on the subject >>>>>> that they can share?

    Adobe is a subscription, so it'll only last the duration of the course. Are
    you prepared to take a course every year to keep it going? Or is one year
    enough?

    You could have a look at Affinity, who sell Adobe-competitiors without >>>>> the subscription.

    Or if you don't need the latest versions, the the entire CS2 edition of >>>> all the main tools is effectively available as a "free" perpetual license...

    (they made a cockup turning off their activations servers at some point >>>> meaning legit owners could not re-install. So they published a version >>>> that did not need activation, and it leaked. It is still out there).

    Thanks, It's quite hard to find in my limited on-line world.
    In my search for it I keep seeing that it's a problem to run on
    anything other than older computers and OS's.

    Seemed ok to me when I tried it just now (running in windows sandbox):

    https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:PsCs2onWin10.png

    (Many of the reported problems relate to not being able install and
    activate the CD that you bought - you need the official Adobe patched
    version that comes with a serial number and does not do online activation)

    I'm sure you're right. I must pursue the possibility with more energy
    and enthusiasm.

    Drop me an email if you need guidance on a source of the right version...

    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Mon May 19 03:57:26 2025
    On 18 May 2025 at 20:19:42 BST, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Sounds like you'll need DTP - InDesign I think is Adobe's stab. I find old >> copies of PageMaker work prefectly well. I think it's PM6 I've got running on
    W10.

    The free option which I find pretty easy to uses is 'Scribus'
    Its well good enough for brochures and flyers.

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/scribus/files/scribus/1.6.4/

    It's basically a layout engine. You have to do graphics maniplulation elsewhere

    But I use a Mac most of time. I had to do a few A4 info sheets and similar >> recently - Apple's Pages worked perfectly well, with some very usable
    templates including newsletters. (Even) I can use that pretty much from
    standing.

    Scribus works on Mac OSX Winders and Linux.

    Indeed it does - looks good, thanks.

    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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