Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Joe wrote:And none of them get single-occupier discount either.
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
No, there are no pensioners on Newsgroups.
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
On 12 Jun 2025 at 23:32:00 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
You can get a reduction if you're on low income - depends a bit on your >personal circumstances and council:
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/council-tax-reduction/
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Good grief. A full state pension for a single person is currently £9000 or >£12000, depending on when you were born.
The CT average band, average rate, is just over £2000.
Something going on there . . .
I managed to convert about £950 per 4 weeks to £2K per annum!
On 13/06/2025 in message <102ggge$3989e$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:
On 12 Jun 2025 at 23:32:00 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
You can get a reduction if you're on low income - depends a bit on your >>personal circumstances and council:
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/council-tax-reduction/
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Good grief. A full state pension for a single person is currently £9000 or >>£12000, depending on when you were born.
The CT average band, average rate, is just over £2000.
Something going on there . . .
Oh dear, sorry :-)
I managed to convert about £950 per 4 weeks to £2K per annum!
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
On 13/06/2025 08:24, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I managed to convert about £950 per 4 weeks to £2K per annum!
Ever thought about getting a job as a "creative accountant"? ;-)
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection and a few glimmers of light. The big users of council
services are former council employees, those who don't own houses and children in education.
As you know.
Scott wrote:
Joe wrote:And none of them get single-occupier discount either.
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
No, there are no pensioners on Newsgroups.
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 18:10:02 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Scott wrote:
Joe wrote:And none of them get single-occupier discount either.
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
No, there are no pensioners on Newsgroups.
I think they do - 25% discount for sole occupation.
On 13/06/2025 08:51, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 13/06/2025 08:24, Jeff Gaines wrote:Belongs in Rachel Thieves position at the least
I managed to convert about £950 per 4 weeks to £2K per annum!
Ever thought about getting a job as a "creative accountant"? ;-)
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection and a few glimmers of light. The big users of council
services are former council employees, those who don't own houses and children in education.
As you know.
On 13/06/2025 09:56, Joe wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100Nonsense. Pensioners might not need much education but they need a LOT
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection and a few glimmers of light. The big users of council
services are former council employees, those who don't own houses and
children in education.
As you know.
of Social Care, which makes them as a group a very heavy burden on
Council Budgets
TW
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection
In article <20250613095638.431052c2@jrenewsid.jretrading.com>,
Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection
I use the roads, too.
Andy Burns wrote:
Scott wrote:
Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
No, there are no pensioners on Newsgroups.
And none of them get single-occupier discount either.
I think they do - 25% discount for sole occupation.
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while
young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a discount
on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the
Council tax.
TW
On 13/06/2025 09:56, Joe wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100Indeed. Its hard to see *what* the council actually does beyond fail to
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection and a few glimmers of light. The big users of council
services are former council employees, those who don't own houses and
children in education.
As you know.
mend potholes, block planning applications (except for wind turbines)
and occasionally empty the bins.
On 13/06/2025 09:56, Joe wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100Nonsense. Pensioners might not need much education but they need a LOT
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection and a few glimmers of light. The big users of council
services are former council employees, those who don't own houses and
children in education.
As you know.
of Social Care, which makes them as a group a very heavy burden on
Council Budgets
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>,
TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a discount
on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a
running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the
Council tax.
TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren when they come to stay.
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Fredxx wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while
young people can't find a place to live
- and now they want a discount
on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the
Council tax.
TW
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>,
TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a discount
on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a
running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the
Council tax.
TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren when they come to stay.
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a discount
on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the
Council tax.
TW
On 13/06/2025 09:56, Joe wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100Nonsense. Pensioners might not need much education but they need a LOT
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection and a few glimmers of light. The big users of council
services are former council employees, those who don't own houses and
children in education.
As you know.
of Social Care, which makes them as a group a very heavy burden on
Council Budgets
On 13/06/2025 08:24, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I managed to convert about £950 per 4 weeks to £2K per annum!
Ever thought about getting a job as a "creative accountant"? ;-)
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>,
TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a discount
on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a
running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the
Council tax.
TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren when they come to stay.
On 13/06/2025 13:30, charles wrote:
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>,
TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote: >>>Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a discount
on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a
running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the
Council tax.
TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren when they come to stay.
Indeed, and they can do what they want with their money and their
property but the OP was asking for a discount for pensioners as if it
was their misfortune to own big houses and deserved some sympathy.
TW
In article <102jr5t$6hk1$1@dont-email.me>, timw@nomailta.co.uk says...
On 13/06/2025 13:30, charles wrote:
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>,Indeed, and they can do what they want with their money and their
TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote: >>>>>Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while >>>> young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a discount >>>> on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a >>>> running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Council tax.
TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren when they >>> come to stay.
property but the OP was asking for a discount for pensioners as if it
was their misfortune to own big houses and deserved some sympathy.
TW
I have a big 'empty nest'. If I don't want it I sell it. I don't expect
the government to subsidise me.
Before winter fuel payments came along I managed. Then the 'nice'
government of the day gave me some money every winter, without me asking
for it. I didn't need it, but it seemed rude not to take it.
Then the 'nasty' government stopped giving me it. Where's my money they
all cried.
My granny gave me pocket money until I was all grown up. I could have
refused it, but she would have been offended. If one day she had not
given me the money, I certainly would NOT have cried "Where's my money, gran!"
Sort of parable init?
On 14/06/2025 06:08 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <102jr5t$6hk1$1@dont-email.me>, timw@nomailta.co.uk says...
On 13/06/2025 13:30, charles wrote:
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>,Indeed, and they can do what they want with their money and their
TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote: >>>>>>Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while >>>>> young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a discount >>>>> on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a >>>>> running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Council tax.
TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren when they >>>> come to stay.
property but the OP was asking for a discount for pensioners as if it
was their misfortune to own big houses and deserved some sympathy.
TW
I have a big 'empty nest'. If I don't want it I sell it. I don't expect
the government to subsidise me.
Before winter fuel payments came along I managed. Then the 'nice'
government of the day gave me some money every winter, without me asking
for it. I didn't need it, but it seemed rude not to take it.
Then the 'nasty' government stopped giving me it. Where's my money they
all cried.
My granny gave me pocket money until I was all grown up. I could have
refused it, but she would have been offended. If one day she had not
given me the money, I certainly would NOT have cried "Where's my money,
gran!"
Sort of parable init?
No.
The WFA became, and so was, a de facto part of the state pension (worth another £3.84 or £5.76 a week according to age). It was something that anyone would have included when stating what their annual income was.
Abolishing it amounted to a reduction in pensioner income. Sugar that
how you will, it was a reduction in income. And all for being part of a demographic that didn't wholeheartedly support Labuor, the
Anti-Pensioner Party.
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower were planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could be open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way - say, those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to pension-related benefits?
On 14 Jun 2025 at 18:35:49 BST, JNugent wrote:
On 14/06/2025 06:08 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <102jr5t$6hk1$1@dont-email.me>, timw@nomailta.co.uk says...
On 13/06/2025 13:30, charles wrote:
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>,Indeed, and they can do what they want with their money and their
TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote: >>>>>>>Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while >>>>>> young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a discount >>>>>> on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a >>>>>> running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the >>>>>> Council tax.
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:My council tax is twice my state pension.
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents. >>>>>>>
TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren when they >>>>> come to stay.
property but the OP was asking for a discount for pensioners as if it
was their misfortune to own big houses and deserved some sympathy.
TW
I have a big 'empty nest'. If I don't want it I sell it. I don't expect
the government to subsidise me.
Before winter fuel payments came along I managed. Then the 'nice'
government of the day gave me some money every winter, without me asking >>> for it. I didn't need it, but it seemed rude not to take it.
Then the 'nasty' government stopped giving me it. Where's my money they
all cried.
My granny gave me pocket money until I was all grown up. I could have
refused it, but she would have been offended. If one day she had not
given me the money, I certainly would NOT have cried "Where's my money,
gran!"
Sort of parable init?
No.
The WFA became, and so was, a de facto part of the state pension (worth
another £3.84 or £5.76 a week according to age). It was something that
anyone would have included when stating what their annual income was.
Abolishing it amounted to a reduction in pensioner income. Sugar that
how you will, it was a reduction in income. And all for being part of a
demographic that didn't wholeheartedly support Labuor, the
Anti-Pensioner Party.
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower were
planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could be open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way - say, those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to pension-related benefits?
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower were >>planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could
be
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way - say, >those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to >pension-related benefits?
On 15/06/2025 08:51, RJH wrote:
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could >>beAh. More steal from the rich and give to the public sector eh?
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way - say, >>those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to >>pension-related benefits?
I think you belong in a communist country
On 14 Jun 2025 at 18:35:49 BST, JNugent wrote:
On 14/06/2025 06:08 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <102jr5t$6hk1$1@dont-email.me>, timw@nomailta.co.uk says...
On 13/06/2025 13:30, charles wrote:
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>, TimWIndeed, and they can do what they want with their money and their
<timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> FredxxSome pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms
wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:My council tax is twice my state pension.
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents. >>>>>>
while young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a >>>>> discount on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses?
They can take a running jump and move to a nice little flat if they >>>>> don't like the Council tax. TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren when >>>> they come to stay.
property but the OP was asking for a discount for pensioners as if it
was their misfortune to own big houses and deserved some sympathy.
TW
I have a big 'empty nest'. If I don't want it I sell it. I don't
expect the government to subsidise me. Before winter fuel payments
came along I managed. Then the 'nice' government of the day gave me
some money every winter, without me asking for it. I didn't need it,
but it seemed rude not to take it. Then the 'nasty' government stopped
giving me it. Where's my money they all cried. My granny gave me
pocket money until I was all grown up. I could have refused it, but
she would have been offended. If one day she had not given me the
money, I certainly would NOT have cried "Where's my money, gran!" Sort
of parable init?
No.
The WFA became, and so was, a de facto part of the state pension (worth another £3.84 or £5.76 a week according to age). It was something that anyone would have included when stating what their annual income was.
Abolishing it amounted to a reduction in pensioner income. Sugar that
how you will, it was a reduction in income. And all for being part of a demographic that didn't wholeheartedly support Labuor, the
Anti-Pensioner Party.
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower were planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could
be open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way -
say, those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement
to pension-related benefits?
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could be open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way - say, those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to pension-related benefits?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection and a few glimmers of light. The big users of council
services are former council employees, those who don't own houses and children in education.
As you know.
On 14 Jun 2025 at 18:35:49 BST, JNugent wrote:
On 14/06/2025 06:08 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <102jr5t$6hk1$1@dont-email.me>, timw@nomailta.co.uk says...
On 13/06/2025 13:30, charles wrote:
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>,Indeed, and they can do what they want with their money and their
TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote: >>>>>>>Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while >>>>>> young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a discount >>>>>> on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a >>>>>> running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the >>>>>> Council tax.
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:My council tax is twice my state pension.
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents. >>>>>>>
TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren when they >>>>> come to stay.
property but the OP was asking for a discount for pensioners as if it
was their misfortune to own big houses and deserved some sympathy.
TW
I have a big 'empty nest'. If I don't want it I sell it. I don't expect
the government to subsidise me.
Before winter fuel payments came along I managed. Then the 'nice'
government of the day gave me some money every winter, without me asking >>> for it. I didn't need it, but it seemed rude not to take it.
Then the 'nasty' government stopped giving me it. Where's my money they
all cried.
My granny gave me pocket money until I was all grown up. I could have
refused it, but she would have been offended. If one day she had not
given me the money, I certainly would NOT have cried "Where's my money,
gran!"
Sort of parable init?
No.
The WFA became, and so was, a de facto part of the state pension (worth
another £3.84 or £5.76 a week according to age). It was something that
anyone would have included when stating what their annual income was.
Abolishing it amounted to a reduction in pensioner income. Sugar that
how you will, it was a reduction in income. And all for being part of a
demographic that didn't wholeheartedly support Labuor, the
Anti-Pensioner Party.
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower were
planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could be open to means testing?
Especially if it can be done in a simple way - say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to pension-related benefits?
On 15/06/2025 08:51, RJH wrote:
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits
could be
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way -
say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to
pension-related benefits?
Those with income of >100k already pay back the amount of the state
pension in the way of income tax.
Those with savings _WAY LESS_ than 1 million already lose entitlement to pension related benefits.
On 15/06/2025 10:27 AM, alan_m wrote:
On 15/06/2025 08:51, RJH wrote:
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits
could be
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way -
say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to
pension-related benefits?
Those with income of >100k already pay back the amount of the state
pension in the way of income tax.
Those with savings _WAY LESS_ than 1 million already lose entitlement to
pension related benefits.
You must mean the means-tested Pension Credit.
Savings don't affect the ordinary State Pension, and neither should they.
On 15/06/2025 08:51, RJH wrote:
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could be >> open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way - say, >> those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to
pension-related benefits?
Those with income of >100k already pay back the amount of the state
pension in the way of income tax.
Those with savings _WAY LESS_ than 1 million already lose entitlement to pension related benefits.
On 15/06/2025 in message <102lu2h$pkch$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower were
planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could
be
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way - say, >> those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to
pension-related benefits?
As long as contributions are adjusted. I paid other people's pensions for
36 years, why should I now see my own pension reduced?
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could
be open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way -
say, those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement
to pension-related benefits?
It is taxable, you know?
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 15/06/2025 10:27 AM, alan_m wrote:
On 15/06/2025 08:51, RJH wrote:
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits
could be open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a
simple way - say, those with a declared income >100k or savings
1m lose entitlement to pension-related benefits?
Those with income of >100k already pay back the amount of the state
pension in the way of income tax.
Those with savings _WAY LESS_ than 1 million already lose entitlement to >>> pension related benefits.
You must mean the means-tested Pension Credit.
Savings don't affect the ordinary State Pension, and neither should they.
When it comes to care costs savings do matter.
My mother had to pay her
total care costs of £1800 per month until her assets diminished to £23250 at which point she got assistance with the costs on a sliding scale until
she hit if I recall assets of £8450 at which point all her care costs were met by the local council. Basically you are left with enough money to be buried and mark your grave.
On 15/06/2025 08:51 AM, RJH wrote:
On 14 Jun 2025 at 18:35:49 BST, JNugent wrote:
On 14/06/2025 06:08 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <102jr5t$6hk1$1@dont-email.me>, timw@nomailta.co.uk says... >>>>>
On 13/06/2025 13:30, charles wrote:
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>,Indeed, and they can do what they want with their money and their
TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote: >>>>>>>>Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while >>>>>>> young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a discount >>>>>>> on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a >>>>>>> running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the >>>>>>> Council tax.
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:My council tax is twice my state pension.
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents. >>>>>>>>
TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren when they
come to stay.
property but the OP was asking for a discount for pensioners as if it >>>>> was their misfortune to own big houses and deserved some sympathy.
TW
I have a big 'empty nest'. If I don't want it I sell it. I don't expect >>>> the government to subsidise me.
Before winter fuel payments came along I managed. Then the 'nice'
government of the day gave me some money every winter, without me asking >>>> for it. I didn't need it, but it seemed rude not to take it.
Then the 'nasty' government stopped giving me it. Where's my money they >>>> all cried.
My granny gave me pocket money until I was all grown up. I could have
refused it, but she would have been offended. If one day she had not
given me the money, I certainly would NOT have cried "Where's my money, >>>> gran!"
Sort of parable init?
No.
The WFA became, and so was, a de facto part of the state pension (worth
another £3.84 or £5.76 a week according to age). It was something that >>> anyone would have included when stating what their annual income was.
Abolishing it amounted to a reduction in pensioner income. Sugar that
how you will, it was a reduction in income. And all for being part of a
demographic that didn't wholeheartedly support Labuor, the
Anti-Pensioner Party.
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower were
planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could be >> open to means testing?
Absolutely not. The state pension is not a means-tested benefit and was
never intended to be one, right back to Lloyd-George. Making it
means-tested (and doing that to the WFA was the first step on that road) would be a breach of contract. The whole idea is that a pensioner gets
state pension (circa £10,000 to c. £11500, depending on whether it is
the "old" or "new" pension) and arranges other income to boost it up to
a level on which they can live, via a private or work pension,
investments or even work after the age of retirement.
Especially if it can be done in a simple way - say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to
pension-related benefits?
That already happens with Pension Credit (the latest incarnation of
National Assistance, Supplementary Pension, Income Support). One's
income has to be quite low (in modern terms) in order to be entitled to
that.
But why this obsession with rich people getting what they too have paid
in for via a lifetime of National Insurance?
It's not as though they won't be paying 45% of it straight back in
income tax, is it?
On 15 Jun 2025 at 10:13:49 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 15/06/2025 in message <102lu2h$pkch$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower were >>>>planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could >>>be
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way - >>>say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to >>>pension-related benefits?
As long as contributions are adjusted. I paid other people's pensions for >>36 years, why should I now see my own pension reduced?
OK, that's fine (of course).
I just happen to think that the UK is a highly unequal society, and some >redress won't do any harm.
If you and others want to keep your (relatively) vast income and wealth to >yourselves, fill your boots.
On 15/06/2025 10:27 AM, alan_m wrote:
On 15/06/2025 08:51, RJH wrote:
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits
could be
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way -
say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to
pension-related benefits?
Those with income of >100k already pay back the amount of the state
pension in the way of income tax.
Those with savings _WAY LESS_ than 1 million already lose entitlement to pension related benefits.
You must mean the means-tested Pension Credit.
Savings don't affect the ordinary State Pension, and neither should they.
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 15/06/2025 10:27 AM, alan_m wrote:
On 15/06/2025 08:51, RJH wrote:
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits
could be open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a
simple way - say, those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m
lose entitlement to pension-related benefits?
Those with income of >100k already pay back the amount of the state
pension in the way of income tax.
Those with savings _WAY LESS_ than 1 million already lose entitlement to >>> pension related benefits.
You must mean the means-tested Pension Credit.
Savings don't affect the ordinary State Pension, and neither should they.
Saving don't, but the interest from the savings might. Depends on how much you have got saved.
I have a big 'empty nest'. If I don't want it I sell it. I don't expect
the government to subsidise me.
Before winter fuel payments came along I managed. Then the 'nice'
government of the day gave me some money every winter, without me asking
for it. I didn't need it, but it seemed rude not to take it.
Then the 'nasty' government stopped giving me it. Where's my money they
all cried.
On 15/06/2025 in message <102m7s0$rtsn$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:
On 15 Jun 2025 at 10:13:49 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 15/06/2025 in message <102lu2h$pkch$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower were >>>>> planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could >>>> be
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way -
say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to
pension-related benefits?
As long as contributions are adjusted. I paid other people's pensions for >>> 36 years, why should I now see my own pension reduced?
OK, that's fine (of course).
I just happen to think that the UK is a highly unequal society, and some
redress won't do any harm.
If you and others want to keep your (relatively) vast income and wealth to >> yourselves, fill your boots.
I, and many others like me, had parents who worked their socks off to
ensure I got a decent education and I benefited from the 11 plus and
grammar school system. I was only educated to O-level standard but in a 36 year career I spent 12 tears studying in my own time to get professional qualifications.
Any fat-arsed, scrounging socialist scumbag who thinks it's OK to just
take that from me had better be ready for a fight.
On 15 Jun 2025 at 12:11:54 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 15/06/2025 in message <102m7s0$rtsn$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:
On 15 Jun 2025 at 10:13:49 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 15/06/2025 in message <102lu2h$pkch$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower were >>>>>>planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits >>>>>could
be
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way - >>>>>say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to >>>>>pension-related benefits?
As long as contributions are adjusted. I paid other people's pensions >>>>for
36 years, why should I now see my own pension reduced?
OK, that's fine (of course).
I just happen to think that the UK is a highly unequal society, and some >>>redress won't do any harm.
If you and others want to keep your (relatively) vast income and wealth >>>to
yourselves, fill your boots.
I, and many others like me, had parents who worked their socks off to >>ensure I got a decent education and I benefited from the 11 plus and >>grammar school system. I was only educated to O-level standard but in a 36 >>year career I spent 12 tears studying in my own time to get professional >>qualifications.
Not everybody has had your life advantages. Sounds as though you feel that >the
UK is pretty meritocratic, and opportunities are equal. I disagree, but
hey.
On 14/06/2025 06:08 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <102jr5t$6hk1$1@dont-email.me>, timw@nomailta.co.uk says...
On 13/06/2025 13:30, charles wrote:
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>,Indeed, and they can do what they want with their money and their
    TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> FredxxSome pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms
wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
while
young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a discount >>>>> on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a >>>>> running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the
Council tax.
TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren when
they
come to stay.
property but the OP was asking for a discount for pensioners as if it
was their misfortune to own big houses and deserved some sympathy.
TW
I have a big 'empty nest'. If I don't want it I sell it. I don't expect
the government to subsidise me.
Before winter fuel payments came along I managed. Then the 'nice'
government of the day gave me some money every winter, without me asking
for it. I didn't need it, but it seemed rude not to take it.
Then the 'nasty' government stopped giving me it. Where's my money they
all cried.
My granny gave me pocket money until I was all grown up. I could have
refused it, but she would have been offended. If one day she had not
given me the money, I certainly would NOT have cried "Where's my money,
gran!"
Sort of parable init?
No.
The WFA became, and so was, a de facto part of the state pension (worth another £3.84 or £5.76 a week according to age). It was something that anyone would have included when stating what their annual income was.
Abolishing it amounted to a reduction in pensioner income.
In article <102lu2h$pkch$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 14 Jun 2025 at 18:35:49 BST, JNugent wrote:
On 14/06/2025 06:08 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <102jr5t$6hk1$1@dont-email.me>, timw@nomailta.co.uk says... >>>>>
On 13/06/2025 13:30, charles wrote:
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>, TimWIndeed, and they can do what they want with their money and their
<timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx >>>>>>>> wrote:Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms >>>>>>> while young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a >>>>>>> discount on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses?
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:My council tax is twice my state pension.
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents. >>>>>>>>
They can take a running jump and move to a nice little flat if they >>>>>>> don't like the Council tax. TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren when >>>>>> they come to stay.
property but the OP was asking for a discount for pensioners as if it >>>>> was their misfortune to own big houses and deserved some sympathy.
TW
I have a big 'empty nest'. If I don't want it I sell it. I don't
expect the government to subsidise me. Before winter fuel payments
came along I managed. Then the 'nice' government of the day gave me
some money every winter, without me asking for it. I didn't need it,
but it seemed rude not to take it. Then the 'nasty' government stopped >>>> giving me it. Where's my money they all cried. My granny gave me
pocket money until I was all grown up. I could have refused it, but
she would have been offended. If one day she had not given me the
money, I certainly would NOT have cried "Where's my money, gran!" Sort >>>> of parable init?
No.
The WFA became, and so was, a de facto part of the state pension (worth
another £3.84 or £5.76 a week according to age). It was something that >>> anyone would have included when stating what their annual income was.
Abolishing it amounted to a reduction in pensioner income. Sugar that
how you will, it was a reduction in income. And all for being part of a
demographic that didn't wholeheartedly support Labuor, the
Anti-Pensioner Party.
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower were
planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could
be open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way -
say, those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement
to pension-related benefits?
It is taxable, you know?
On 13/06/2025 10:50 AM, TimW wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Fredxx wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while
young people can't find a place to live
Do "young people who can't find a place to live" expect to be the
householder of a "large house with loads of spare bedrooms" (I assume
you mean two spare bedrooms)?
- and now they want a discount
on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a
running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the
Council tax.
TW
Is the council tax a charge for services (whether provided or
unprovided), or is it the manifestation of an act of spite against
people who have more money than... well... then you?
On 12 Jun 2025 at 23:32:00 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
You can get a reduction if you're on low income - depends a bit on your personal circumstances and council:
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/council-tax-reduction/
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Good grief. A full state pension for a single person is currently £9000 or £12000, depending on when you were born.
On 15 Jun 2025 at 12:11:54 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 15/06/2025 in message <102m7s0$rtsn$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:
On 15 Jun 2025 at 10:13:49 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 15/06/2025 in message <102lu2h$pkch$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower were >>>>>> planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could >>>>> be
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way - >>>>> say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to >>>>> pension-related benefits?
As long as contributions are adjusted. I paid other people's pensions for >>>> 36 years, why should I now see my own pension reduced?
OK, that's fine (of course).
I just happen to think that the UK is a highly unequal society, and some >>> redress won't do any harm.
If you and others want to keep your (relatively) vast income and wealth to >>> yourselves, fill your boots.
I, and many others like me, had parents who worked their socks off to
ensure I got a decent education and I benefited from the 11 plus and
grammar school system. I was only educated to O-level standard but in a 36 >> year career I spent 12 tears studying in my own time to get professional
qualifications.
Not everybody has had your life advantages.
TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 13/06/2025 09:56, Joe wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100Nonsense. Pensioners might not need much education but they need a LOT
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection and a few glimmers of light. The big users of council
services are former council employees, those who don't own houses and
children in education.
As you know.
of Social Care, which makes them as a group a very heavy burden on
Council Budgets
TW
If only UK state pensions were as generous as most of western Europe then there would no need for WFA, pension credit or other discounts
In article <20250613095638.431052c2@jrenewsid.jretrading.com>,
Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection
I use the roads, too.
On 13/06/2025 10:56, TimW wrote:
On 13/06/2025 09:56, Joe wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100Nonsense. Pensioners might not need much education but they need a LOT
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection and a few glimmers of light. The big users of council
services are former council employees, those who don't own houses and
children in education.
As you know.
of Social Care, which makes them as a group a very heavy burden on
Council Budgets
Which is why Social Care should be removed from Council Tax and funded,
as per need, from Central Government taxes/NHS funds.
On 15 Jun 2025 at 10:13:49 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 15/06/2025 in message <102lu2h$pkch$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower
were planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits
could be open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a
simple way - say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to
pension-related benefits?
As long as contributions are adjusted. I paid other people's pensions
for 36 years, why should I now see my own pension reduced?
OK, that's fine (of course).
I just happen to think that the UK is a highly unequal society, and some redress won't do any harm.
If you and others want to keep your (relatively) vast income and wealth
to yourselves, fill your boots.
But your EV doesn't attract car 'tax' (yet)
On 13/06/2025 11:30, charles wrote:
In article <20250613095638.431052c2@jrenewsid.jretrading.com>,
Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:53:30 +0100
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
Is that liquid wealth or do you mean the houses they live in?
Children, grandchildren etc. never stop being dependants.
Pensioners use virtually no council services, just the odd bin
collection
I use the roads, too.
But your EV doesn't attract car 'tax' (yet) and you avoid paying
fuel duty too, plus the 20% vat thereon.
On 13/06/2025 07:29, RJH wrote:
On 12 Jun 2025 at 23:32:00 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
You can get a reduction if you're on low income - depends a bit on your
personal circumstances and council:
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/council-tax-reduction/
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Good grief. A full state pension for a single person is currently
£9000 or
£12000, depending on when you were born.
Err, no. It primarily depends on whether you retired before or after
April 2016?,
and also on the *number of years* NI credits that you have
earned (35 needed post-2016), and then take account of the number
of years that you were contracted-out of SERPS, which is most public
service employees. They sacrifice some of their state pension
(= Contracted Out Deduction) but get far more from their occupational
pension (paid from 60?) than they 'lose' from the COD.
In article <mb7jttFqum5U2@mid.individual.net>,
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 15/06/2025 10:27 AM, alan_m wrote:
On 15/06/2025 08:51, RJH wrote:
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits
could be
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way -
say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to
pension-related benefits?
Those with income of >100k already pay back the amount of the state
pension in the way of income tax.
Those with savings _WAY LESS_ than 1 million already lose entitlement to >>> pension related benefits.
You must mean the means-tested Pension Credit.
Savings don't affect the ordinary State Pension, and neither should they.
Saving don't, but the interest from the savings might. Depends on how much you have got saved.
Not everybody has had your life advantages. Sounds as though you feel that the
UK is pretty meritocratic, and opportunities are equal. I disagree, but hey.
On 14/06/2025 18:35, JNugent wrote:
On 14/06/2025 06:08 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <102jr5t$6hk1$1@dont-email.me>, timw@nomailta.co.uk says...
On 13/06/2025 13:30, charles wrote:
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>,Indeed, and they can do what they want with their money and their
TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> FredxxSome pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms
wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:My council tax is twice my state pension.
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents. >>>>>>>
while
young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a
discount
on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can
take a
running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the >>>>>> Council tax.
TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren
when they
come to stay.
property but the OP was asking for a discount for pensioners as if it
was their misfortune to own big houses and deserved some sympathy.
TW
I have a big 'empty nest'. If I don't want it I sell it. I don't expect
the government to subsidise me.
Before winter fuel payments came along I managed. Then the 'nice'
government of the day gave me some money every winter, without me asking >>> for it. I didn't need it, but it seemed rude not to take it.
Then the 'nasty' government stopped giving me it. Where's my money they
all cried.
My granny gave me pocket money until I was all grown up. I could have
refused it, but she would have been offended. If one day she had not
given me the money, I certainly would NOT have cried "Where's my money,
gran!"
Sort of parable init?
No.
The WFA became, and so was, a de facto part of the state pension
(worth another £3.84 or £5.76 a week according to age). It was
something that anyone would have included when stating what their
annual income was.
Abolishing it amounted to a reduction in pensioner income.
Nonsense. The triple lock meant that pensioners did far better
over the last 25 years than low income workers did.
The WFA was simply a bribe by Gordon Brown to buy pensioners votes.
On 13/06/2025 15:35, JNugent wrote:
On 13/06/2025 10:50 AM, TimW wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Fredxx wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms while
young people can't find a place to live
Do "young people who can't find a place to live" expect to be the
householder of a "large house with loads of spare bedrooms" (I assume
you mean two spare bedrooms)?
- and now they want a discount
on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can take a
running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the
Council tax.
TW
Is the council tax a charge for services (whether provided or
unprovided), or is it the manifestation of an act of spite against
people who have more money than... well... then you?
In many areas, as much as 25% of council tax receipts simply pays
the gold-plated pensions of retired council employees.
On 15 Jun 2025 at 10:27:33 BST, alan_m wrote:
On 15/06/2025 08:51, RJH wrote:
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could be
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way - say, >>> those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to
pension-related benefits?
Those with income of >100k already pay back the amount of the state
pension in the way of income tax.
Those with savings _WAY LESS_ than 1 million already lose entitlement to
pension related benefits.
Ah OK, didn't know that. Do you have link etc?
Nonsense. The triple lock meant that pensioners did far better
over the last 25 years than low income workers did.
The WFA was simply a bribe by Gordon Brown to buy pensioners votes.
On 13/06/2025 07:29, RJH wrote:
On 12 Jun 2025 at 23:32:00 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
You can get a reduction if you're on low income - depends a bit on your
personal circumstances and council:
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/council-tax-reduction/
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Good grief. A full state pension for a single person is currently £9000 or >> £12000, depending on when you were born.
Err, no. It primarily depends on whether you retired before or after
April 2016?,
and also on the *number of years* NI credits that you have
earned (35 needed post-2016), and then take account of the number
of years that you were contracted-out of SERPS, which is most public
service employees. They sacrifice some of their state pension
(= Contracted Out Deduction) but get far more from their occupational
pension (paid from 60?) than they 'lose' from the COD.
Not everybody has had your life advantages.
Apart from those kids who ?benefited from a private-school
education, *everyone* had the same opportunities. If
far too many simply dreamed through school and didn't bother
(or worse still spent their school days actually interfering
with those fellow pupils who wanted to make an effort) then
that is their problem.
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 10:38:56 +0000, RJH wrote:
On 15 Jun 2025 at 10:13:49 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 15/06/2025 in message <102lu2h$pkch$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower
were planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits
could be open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a
simple way - say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to
pension-related benefits?
As long as contributions are adjusted. I paid other people's pensions
for 36 years, why should I now see my own pension reduced?
OK, that's fine (of course).
I just happen to think that the UK is a highly unequal society, and some
redress won't do any harm.
If you and others want to keep your (relatively) vast income and wealth
to yourselves, fill your boots.
I had been an agency worker from 1962 to 2003, had a bit of a heart do, so
I had to retire. I didn't bother with a long term pension, but I try one
in 1970, but it only lasted for a month. I subsequently forgot about it, until I was sent a cheque for £2500 in 2006.
I just happen to think that the UK is a highly unequal society, and some redress won't do any harm.
On 15/06/2025 11:36, RJH wrote:
On 15 Jun 2025 at 10:27:33 BST, alan_m wrote:
On 15/06/2025 08:51, RJH wrote:
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits could be
open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a simple way - say, >>>> those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to
pension-related benefits?
Those with income of >100k already pay back the amount of the state
pension in the way of income tax.
Those with savings _WAY LESS_ than 1 million already lose entitlement to >>> pension related benefits.
Ah OK, didn't know that. Do you have link etc?
Pension credit tops up a pension for a single person if the pension
plus other income is less than £11.8K/year,
For the purposes of this means tested benefit savings of £1 million
count as an income of around £103K/year (not counting any interest)
https://www.gov.uk/pension-credit/eligibility
Under the paragraph "Your savings and investments" Note the income
amounts they assume is per week.
What doesn't count as income to claim pension credit is other means
tested state benefits.
(or worse still spent their school days actually interfering
with those fellow pupils who wanted to make an effort) then
that is their problem.
Parents working their socks off and studying in my home time are life advantages? That sounds like commie propaganda.
Do you believe that there's sexism, racism, religious intolerance, disability (mental and physical) discrimination, ageism and homophobia (for example) in UK society? And those characteristics can work against, say, a job applicant or a child at school despite laws and policies in place to prevent discrimination?
If you do, then not everyone has the same opportunities.
If you don't, OK. Your mind is probably made up. If you fancy an alternative view, I'd recommend one of the most formative books I've read: The Rise of Meritocracy by Michael Young. Satirises it all very nicely.
On 15/06/2025 17:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Parents working their socks off and studying in my home time are life
advantages? That sounds like commie propaganda.
It is.
Remember the basic tenets of Marxism:
Anyone who has more than you is privileged.
You are poor because you are oppressed.
So there is no point in working to better yourself. Only in working to
take away their money
I had been an agency worker from 1962 to 2003, had a bit of a heart do, so >> I had to retire. I didn't bother with a long term pension, but I try one
in 1970, but it only lasted for a month. I subsequently forgot about it,
until I was sent a cheque for £2500 in 2006.
Similar - but not quite as good! My mum pressurised me into taking out a pension 40 years ago. I paid into it for about a year, about £500. Worth £8000
now, were I to cash it in.
On 16/06/2025 08:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/06/2025 17:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Parents working their socks off and studying in my home time are life
advantages? That sounds like commie propaganda.
It is.
Remember the basic tenets of Marxism:
Anyone who has more than you is privileged.
You are poor because you are oppressed.
So there is no point in working to better yourself. Only in working to
take away their money
I thought it was, "To those, according to their needs; from those,
according to their abilities"?
On 16/06/2025 08:42, RJH wrote:
Do you believe that there's sexism, racism, religious intolerance,
disability (mental and physical) discrimination, ageism and
homophobia (for example) in UK society? And those characteristics
can work against, say, a job applicant or a child at school despite
laws and policies in place to prevent discrimination?
So can being a fat arsed lazy slob with no personal hygiene
Don't you think that a deaf dumb and blind idiot with no education
should be allowed to operate on your brain, because herai8ng, speech,
sight, and intelligence are all 'privilege'
Christ on a bike, discrimination is how you *choose* a person for a job.
And you take *everything * into account that is relevant to the job.
If you do, then not everyone has the same opportunities.
Of *course* not everybody has the same opportunities. Are you mental?
I am not built like a Kenyan long distance runner. I have standards of
moral behaviour, so I could never be a Labour politician.
Discrimination is what enables you tell food from poison, light from
dark, Your mother from your girlfriend...
If you want a world without discrimination try being an amoeba.
If you don't, OK. Your mind is probably made up. If you fancy an
alternative view, I'd recommend one of the most formative books I've read: The
Rise of Meritocracy by Michael Young. Satirises it all very nicely.
Oh gawd.
Try this, instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsdsK-Am0WY
On 15 Jun 2025 at 17:37:52 BST, Andrew wrote:
Not everybody has had your life advantages.
Apart from those kids who ?benefited from a private-school
education, *everyone* had the same opportunities. If
far too many simply dreamed through school and didn't bother
(or worse still spent their school days actually interfering
with those fellow pupils who wanted to make an effort) then
that is their problem.
Do you believe that there's sexism, racism, religious intolerance, disability (mental and physical) discrimination, ageism and homophobia (for example) in UK society?
And those characteristics can work against, say, a job applicant
or a child at school despite laws and policies in place to prevent discrimination?
If you do, then not everyone has the same opportunities.
If you don't, OK. Your mind is probably made up. If you fancy an alternative view, I'd recommend one of the most formative books I've read: The Rise of Meritocracy by Michael Young. Satirises it all very nicely.
On 16/06/2025 09:16 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/06/2025 08:42, RJH wrote:
Do you believe that there's sexism, racism, religious intolerance,
disability (mental and physical) discrimination, ageism and
homophobia (for example) in UK society? And those characteristics
can work against, say, a job applicant or a child at school despite
laws and policies in place to prevent discrimination?
So can being a fat arsed lazy slob with no personal hygiene
Don't you think that a deaf dumb and blind idiot with no education
should be allowed to operate on your brain, because herai8ng, speech,
sight, and intelligence are all 'privilege'
Christ on a bike, discrimination is how you *choose* a person for a job.
And you take *everything * into account that is relevant to the job.
If you do, then not everyone has the same opportunities.
Of *course* not everybody has the same opportunities. Are you mental?
I am not built like a Kenyan long distance runner. I have standards of
moral behaviour, so I could never be a Labour politician.
Discrimination is what enables you tell food from poison, light from
dark, Your mother from your girlfriend...
If you want a world without discrimination try being an amoeba.
If you don't, OK. Your mind is probably made up. If you fancy an
alternative view, I'd recommend one of the most formative books I've read: The
Rise of Meritocracy by Michael Young. Satirises it all very nicely.
Oh gawd.
Try this, instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsdsK-Am0WY
The best post of yours I've ever seen.
On 16/06/2025 08:42, RJH wrote:
Do you believe that there's sexism, racism, religious intolerance, disabilitySo can being a fat arsed lazy slob with no personal hygiene
(mental and physical) discrimination, ageism and homophobia (for example) in >> UK society? And those characteristics can work against, say, a job applicant >> or a child at school despite laws and policies in place to prevent
discrimination?
Don't you think that a deaf dumb and blind idiot with no education
should be allowed to operate on your brain, because herai8ng, speech,
sight, and intelligence are all 'privilege'
Christ on a bike, discrimination is how you *choose* a person for a job.
And you take *everything * into account that is relevant to the job.
If you do, then not everyone has the same opportunities.
Of *course* not everybody has the same opportunities. Are you mental?
I am not built like a Kenyan long distance runner. I have standards of
moral behaviour, so I could never be a Labour politician.
Discrimination is what enables you tell food from poison, light from
dark, Your mother from your girlfriend...
If you want a world without discrimination try being an amoeba.
If you don't, OK. Your mind is probably made up. If you fancy an alternative >> view, I'd recommend one of the most formative books I've read: The Rise of >> Meritocracy by Michael Young. Satirises it all very nicely.
Oh gawd.
Try this, instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsdsK-Am0WY
On 15/06/2025 11:38, RJH wrote:
I just happen to think that the UK is a highly unequal society, and some
redress won't do any harm.
Hey rob.
Which you like to be :
(a) as poor as your neighbour?
(b) poorer than your neighbour, but richer than you otherwise would be?
On 16 Jun 2025 at 08:54:41 BST, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/06/2025 11:38, RJH wrote:
I just happen to think that the UK is a highly unequal society, and some >>> redress won't do any harm.
Hey rob.
Which you like to be :
(a) as poor as your neighbour?
(b) poorer than your neighbour, but richer than you otherwise would be?
No idea. I'd like to think we all had enough.
On 16 Jun 2025 at 08:54:41 BST, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Indeed.
On 15/06/2025 11:38, RJH wrote:
I just happen to think that the UK is a highly unequal society, and some >>> redress won't do any harm.
Hey rob.
Which you like to be :
(a) as poor as your neighbour?
(b) poorer than your neighbour, but richer than you otherwise would be?
No idea.
On 16 Jun 2025 at 09:16:46 BST, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/06/2025 08:42, RJH wrote:
Do you believe that there's sexism, racism, religious intolerance, disabilitySo can being a fat arsed lazy slob with no personal hygiene
(mental and physical) discrimination, ageism and homophobia (for example) in
UK society? And those characteristics can work against, say, a job applicant
or a child at school despite laws and policies in place to prevent
discrimination?
Don't you think that a deaf dumb and blind idiot with no education
should be allowed to operate on your brain, because herai8ng, speech,
sight, and intelligence are all 'privilege'
Christ on a bike, discrimination is how you *choose* a person for a job.
And you take *everything * into account that is relevant to the job.
If you do, then not everyone has the same opportunities.
Of *course* not everybody has the same opportunities. Are you mental?
I am not built like a Kenyan long distance runner. I have standards of
moral behaviour, so I could never be a Labour politician.
Discrimination is what enables you tell food from poison, light from
dark, Your mother from your girlfriend...
If you want a world without discrimination try being an amoeba.
If you don't, OK. Your mind is probably made up. If you fancy an alternative
view, I'd recommend one of the most formative books I've read: The Rise of >>> Meritocracy by Michael Young. Satirises it all very nicely.
Oh gawd.
Try this, instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsdsK-Am0WY
And that, in a nutshell, is your explanation for inequality?
On 15/06/2025 17:31, Andrew wrote:
Nonsense. The triple lock meant that pensioners did far better
over the last 25 years than low income workers did.
The WFA was simply a bribe by Gordon Brown to buy pensioners votes.
And Gordon Brown tax raid on pension pot dividends is the reason many
pension are a lot worse than they would have been. Without this many pensioners would have been better off and the Government would now be benefitting from higher income tax revenues. :)
On 15/06/2025 05:31 PM, Andrew wrote:
On 14/06/2025 18:35, JNugent wrote:
On 14/06/2025 06:08 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <102jr5t$6hk1$1@dont-email.me>, timw@nomailta.co.uk says... >>>>>
On 13/06/2025 13:30, charles wrote:
In article <102grm1$3btpv$1@dont-email.me>,Indeed, and they can do what they want with their money and their
    TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
On 12/06/2025 23:32, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx >>>>>>>> wrote:Some pensioners live in large houses with loads of spare bedrooms >>>>>>> while
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:My council tax is twice my state pension.
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents. >>>>>>>>
young people can't find a place to live - and now they want a
discount
on the Council Tax they pay on their big empty houses? They can
take a
running jump and move to a nice little flat if they don't like the >>>>>>> Council tax.
TW
The extra bedrooms are used by their children and grandchildren
when they
come to stay.
property but the OP was asking for a discount for pensioners as if it >>>>> was their misfortune to own big houses and deserved some sympathy.
TW
I have a big 'empty nest'. If I don't want it I sell it. I don't expect >>>> the government to subsidise me.
Before winter fuel payments came along I managed. Then the 'nice'
government of the day gave me some money every winter, without me
asking
for it. I didn't need it, but it seemed rude not to take it.
Then the 'nasty' government stopped giving me it. Where's my money they >>>> all cried.
My granny gave me pocket money until I was all grown up. I could have
refused it, but she would have been offended. If one day she had not
given me the money, I certainly would NOT have cried "Where's my money, >>>> gran!"
Sort of parable init?
No.
The WFA became, and so was, a de facto part of the state pension
(worth another £3.84 or £5.76 a week according to age). It was
something that anyone would have included when stating what their
annual income was.
Abolishing it amounted to a reduction in pensioner income.
Nonsense. The triple lock meant that pensioners did far better
over the last 25 years than low income workers did.
Are you REALLY trying to claim that a reduction in pensioner income was
not a reduction in pensioner income? :-)
The WFA was simply a bribe by Gordon Brown to buy pensioners votes.
He might have had that as an aim (who knows?), but the factual reality
was that over the period of the very late 1980s through to the date when
the WFA was instituted, the assistance available with heating costs (via
the Social Fund) was dependent upon weather station measurements in the region where you lived and very winter, some people got payments while
others didn't, with consequent annual "hilarity" on the letters page of
the Guardian, etc. The WFA was at least partly a measure designed to
obviate that yearly trial for the government.
But you probably didn't know that.
On 15/06/2025 05:26 PM, Andrew wrote:
On 13/06/2025 07:29, RJH wrote:
On 12 Jun 2025 at 23:32:00 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote: >>>>
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
You can get a reduction if you're on low income - depends a bit on your
personal circumstances and council:
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/council-tax-reduction/
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Good grief. A full state pension for a single person is currently
£9000 or
£12000, depending on when you were born.
Err, no. It primarily depends on whether you retired before or after
April 2016?,
Not.
The deciding factor is the date on which the citizen reached pension age (whether or not retired).
So "depending on when you were born" was perfectly correct.
On 15 Jun 2025 at 18:20:47 BST, Smolley wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 10:38:56 +0000, RJH wrote:
On 15 Jun 2025 at 10:13:49 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 15/06/2025 in message <102lu2h$pkch$1@dont-email.me> RJH wrote:
And who knows how many other cuts in pensioner income this shower
were planning?
Spite is their middle name.
Yes but. Do you agree that the state pension and pensioner benefits
could be open to means testing? Especially if it can be done in a
simple way - say,
those with a declared income >100k or savings >1m lose entitlement to >>>>> pension-related benefits?
As long as contributions are adjusted. I paid other people's pensions
for 36 years, why should I now see my own pension reduced?
OK, that's fine (of course).
I just happen to think that the UK is a highly unequal society, and some >>> redress won't do any harm.
If you and others want to keep your (relatively) vast income and wealth
to yourselves, fill your boots.
I had been an agency worker from 1962 to 2003, had a bit of a heart do, so >> I had to retire. I didn't bother with a long term pension, but I try one
in 1970, but it only lasted for a month. I subsequently forgot about it,
until I was sent a cheque for £2500 in 2006.
Similar - but not quite as good! My mum pressurised me into taking out a pension 40 years ago. I paid into it for about a year, about £500. Worth £8000
now, were I to cash it in.
On 16/06/2025 11:16, Max Demian wrote:
On 16/06/2025 08:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:It might have started that way, but the weaponized version that today' Leftists use to wreck everything is as I said.
On 15/06/2025 17:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Parents working their socks off and studying in my home time are
life advantages? That sounds like commie propaganda.
It is.
Remember the basic tenets of Marxism:
Anyone who has more than you is privileged.
You are poor because you are oppressed.
So there is no point in working to better yourself. Only in working
to take away their money
I thought it was, "To those, according to their needs; from those,
according to their abilities"?
On 16/06/2025 01:00, JNugent wrote:
On 15/06/2025 05:26 PM, Andrew wrote:As was my reply since reaching SPA depends on whether you hit that
On 13/06/2025 07:29, RJH wrote:
On 12 Jun 2025 at 23:32:00 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote: >>>>>
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
You can get a reduction if you're on low income - depends a bit on your >>>> personal circumstances and council:
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/council-tax-reduction/
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Good grief. A full state pension for a single person is currently
£9000 or £12000, depending on when you were born.
Err, no. It primarily depends on whether you retired before or after
April 2016?,
Not.
The deciding factor is the date on which the citizen reached pension
age (whether or not retired).
So "depending on when you were born" was perfectly correct.
age before or after April 2016
On 16/06/2025 01:06, JNugent wrote:
On 15/06/2025 05:31 PM, Andrew wrote:
On 14/06/2025 18:35, JNugent wrote:
The WFA became, and so was, a de facto part of the state pension
(worth another £3.84 or £5.76 a week according to age). It was
something that anyone would have included when stating what their
annual income was.
Abolishing it amounted to a reduction in pensioner income.
Nonsense. The triple lock meant that pensioners did far better
over the last 25 years than low income workers did.
Are you REALLY trying to claim that a reduction in pensioner incomeIt wasn't a *reduction*, it was a reset, back to their original
was not a reduction in pensioner income? :-)
position, and still far batter off than they were 25 years ago.
The WFA was simply a bribe by Gordon Brown to buy pensioners votes.
He might have had that as an aim (who knows?), but the factual reality
was that over the period of the very late 1980s through to the date
when the WFA was instituted, the assistance available with heating
costs (via the Social Fund) was dependent upon weather station
measurements in the region where you lived and every winter, some
people got payments while others didn't, with consequent annual
"hilarity" on the letters page of the Guardian, etc. The WFA was at
least partly a measure designed to obviate that yearly trial for the
government.
But you probably didn't know that.I know that for years, British people retired to the Indian Ocean
French overseas territory of Reunion, also got the 'Winter Fuel
allowance', as did huge numbers living in other hot parts of the
EU.
And for 50 years, todays whinging pensioners jetted off to Spain
for their hols oblivious to the possibility that one day they
would be retired and those absurdly low energy prices of the
60's through to about 15 years ago (when the UK became a net
importer of oil and gas) would actually be replaced by energy
costs related to world prices.
On 16/06/2025 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/06/2025 11:16, Max Demian wrote:
On 16/06/2025 08:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:It might have started that way, but the weaponized version that today'
On 15/06/2025 17:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Parents working their socks off and studying in my home time are
life advantages? That sounds like commie propaganda.
It is.
Remember the basic tenets of Marxism:
Anyone who has more than you is privileged.
You are poor because you are oppressed.
So there is no point in working to better yourself. Only in working
to take away their money
I thought it was, "To those, according to their needs; from those,
according to their abilities"?
Leftists use to wreck everything is as I said.
Amusing, since _yours_ is clearly a "weaponised version" if there ever
was such a thing.
On 16/06/2025 07:42 PM, Andrew wrote:
On 16/06/2025 01:00, JNugent wrote:
On 15/06/2025 05:26 PM, Andrew wrote:As was my reply since reaching SPA depends on whether you hit that
On 13/06/2025 07:29, RJH wrote:
On 12 Jun 2025 at 23:32:00 BST, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:
On 12/06/2025 in message <102fi8n$2tu7l$5@dont-email.me> Fredxx
wrote:
On 12/06/2025 17:53, Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
You can get a reduction if you're on low income - depends a bit on
your
personal circumstances and council:
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/council-tax-reduction/
Bit rich as pensions have the most wealth and least dependents.
My council tax is twice my state pension.
Good grief. A full state pension for a single person is currently
£9000 or £12000, depending on when you were born.
Err, no. It primarily depends on whether you retired before or after
April 2016?,
Not.
The deciding factor is the date on which the citizen reached pension
age (whether or not retired).
So "depending on when you were born" was perfectly correct.
age before or after April 2016
Andrew said that whether you got the old or new pension depended on when
you were born (and that was correct).
You said (if I interpret the attributions correctly!):
"Err, no. It primarily depends on whether you retired before or after
April 2016?, [sic]".
But it doesn't. Irrespective of the date of retirement (which may be
years away), it's purely based on whether you were born before that all important date in April 2016. You can get your old or new pension while
still working if you want it. Retirement is not a requirement.
On 16/06/2025 13:45, RJH wrote:
On 16 Jun 2025 at 09:16:46 BST, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/06/2025 08:42, RJH wrote:
Do you believe that there's sexism, racism, religious intolerance, disabilitySo can being a fat arsed lazy slob with no personal hygiene
(mental and physical) discrimination, ageism and homophobia (for example) in
UK society? And those characteristics can work against, say, a job applicant
or a child at school despite laws and policies in place to prevent
discrimination?
Don't you think that a deaf dumb and blind idiot with no education
should be allowed to operate on your brain, because herai8ng, speech,
sight, and intelligence are all 'privilege'
Christ on a bike, discrimination is how you *choose* a person for a job. >>>
And you take *everything * into account that is relevant to the job.
If you do, then not everyone has the same opportunities.
Of *course* not everybody has the same opportunities. Are you mental?
I am not built like a Kenyan long distance runner. I have standards of
moral behaviour, so I could never be a Labour politician.
Discrimination is what enables you tell food from poison, light from
dark, Your mother from your girlfriend...
If you want a world without discrimination try being an amoeba.
If you don't, OK. Your mind is probably made up. If you fancy an alternative
view, I'd recommend one of the most formative books I've read: The Rise of >>>> Meritocracy by Michael Young. Satirises it all very nicely.
Oh gawd.
Try this, instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsdsK-Am0WY
And that, in a nutshell, is your explanation for inequality?
Hello, is there an intelligent human being in there?
I don't need any excuse for inequality. I'm not God.
Inequality is part of the world.
People who pretend it isn't are living in Lala land.
Similar - but not quite as good! My mum pressurised me into taking out a
pension 40 years ago. I paid into it for about a year, about £500. Worth £8000
now, were I to cash it in.
Now use the ONS inflation graphs to see what that £8K is actually
worth compared to what you claim you paid in.
BTW, most private pension contracts started back then (*)front-loaded commission so that most of your first 2 years (and sometimes longer) contributions vanished as charges, and if you stopped paying in, then
another clause would mean ongoing charges would soon munch through
what was left.
QED, I struggle to believe your claim that you paid in £500 for just one year and still ended up with that amount after 40 years.
(*) Mrs T's pensions changes where people could be (mis)sold private
pensions and contract out of SERPS started in 1988. I started two
in that year under the 'new' rules.
Inequality is part of the world.
People who pretend it isn't are living in Lala land.
High rates of inequality (Gini etc.) are not inevitable and can be
corrected -
often are. The UK, as a 'developed' country, has some of the worst wealth >inequality. Income inequality is merely spectacularly poor.
It's not 'part of the world' or in any way inevitable.
Scott wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Scott wrote:
Joe wrote:
Worth a try.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/706707
No, there are no pensioners on Newsgroups.
And none of them get single-occupier discount either.
I think they do - 25% discount for sole occupation.
If unicode included the SarcMark™ I'd have used it ...
On 16/06/2025 20:41, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 16/06/2025 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/06/2025 11:16, Max Demian wrote:
On 16/06/2025 08:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:It might have started that way, but the weaponized version that
On 15/06/2025 17:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Parents working their socks off and studying in my home time are
life advantages? That sounds like commie propaganda.
It is.
Remember the basic tenets of Marxism:
Anyone who has more than you is privileged.
You are poor because you are oppressed.
So there is no point in working to better yourself. Only in working
to take away their money
I thought it was, "To those, according to their needs; from those,
according to their abilities"?
today' Leftists use to wreck everything is as I said.
Amusing, since _yours_ is clearly a "weaponised version" if there ever
was such a thing.
Well I got it from the hard left. Its not really mine
On 16/06/2025 22:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:I have merely noted how 'Just stop oil' 'Black Lives matter' 'Gender
On 16/06/2025 20:41, Sam Plusnet wrote:Well that isn't really true is it?
On 16/06/2025 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/06/2025 11:16, Max Demian wrote:
On 16/06/2025 08:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:It might have started that way, but the weaponized version that
On 15/06/2025 17:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Parents working their socks off and studying in my home time are >>>>>>> life advantages? That sounds like commie propaganda.
It is.
Remember the basic tenets of Marxism:
Anyone who has more than you is privileged.
You are poor because you are oppressed.
So there is no point in working to better yourself. Only in
working to take away their money
I thought it was, "To those, according to their needs; from those,
according to their abilities"?
today' Leftists use to wreck everything is as I said.
Amusing, since _yours_ is clearly a "weaponised version" if there
ever was such a thing.
Well I got it from the hard left. Its not really mine
You took the original concept and twisted it into a form which suited
your views and approach to life.
Your views are your own, I think most people here accept that, but when
to pretend to speak on behalf of those you oppose...
It isn't cricket.
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