• Re: Energy Direct Debit

    From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sat Jun 21 13:12:52 2025
    On 21/06/2025 13:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because
    my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my
    usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?

    My experience with EDF electricity is that they like to keep it
    permanently in credit but not so much that I get tempted to pay in arrears.

    If they have a million customers all on credit 50 quid in credit, its a
    nice little earner.


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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 12:09:13 2025
    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because
    my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my
    usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Most people have heard of Karl Marx the philosopher but few know of his
    sister Onya the Olympic runner.
    Her name is still mentioned at the start of every race.

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sat Jun 21 13:13:31 2025
    On 21/06/2025 13:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because
    my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my
    usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?


    eh? Don't they do that as a public service (tm) to avoid folks going
    suddenly broke in the winter? Payments will usually be based on an
    estimate of the amount of energy you'll use over a year, and divided.

    --
    Adrian C

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Adrian Caspersz on Sat Jun 21 13:33:33 2025
    On 21/06/2025 13:13, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 21/06/2025 13:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced
    because my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because
    my usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?


    eh? Don't they do that as a public service (tm) to avoid folks going
    suddenly broke in the winter? Payments will usually be based on an
    estimate of the amount of energy you'll use over a year, and divided.


    Allegedly.

    Its strange how they always end up in credit...

    --
    “A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
    who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
    “We did this ourselves.”

    ― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sat Jun 21 14:12:04 2025
    On 21/06/2025 13:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because
    my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my
    usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?


    Possibly because prices are going down in July and although it's
    predicted that they go up again but not to last winter's level. This
    assumes that Trump and Netanyahu don't start yet another major Middle
    East war.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 14:53:48 2025
    alan_m wrote:

    Possibly because prices are going down in July and although it's
    predicted that they go up again but not to last winter's level.

    Given that they now alter the price cap every quarter, does it still
    make sense to talk in terms of "per year" costs?

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  • From Pancho@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Jun 21 15:15:23 2025
    On 6/21/25 14:53, Andy Burns wrote:
    alan_m wrote:

    Possibly because prices are going down in July and although it's
    predicted that they go up again but not to last winter's level.

    Given that they now alter the price cap every quarter, does it still
    make sense to talk in terms of "per year" costs?


    Yes, estimated costs. I don't know about other companies, but Bulb are
    cheats, they overcharge and getting a refund is like getting blood out
    of a stone.

    My mother died, it took 2.5 months after they closed the account to get
    the £400 refunded. They pretend they are incompetent, and normally it
    goes in their favour. But... to be fair they did send me two similar
    £400 refund cheques, being honest I have only cashed one.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sat Jun 21 14:51:26 2025
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    My experience with EDF electricity is that they like to keep it
    permanently in credit but not so much that I get tempted to pay in arrears.

    If they have a million customers all on credit 50 quid in credit, its a
    nice little earner.

    Last Winter didn't really eat up my accumulated credit, I'm about two
    months in credit at the moment.

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  • From John@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 14:51:43 2025
    On 21 Jun 2025 12:09:13 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
    wrote:


    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because
    my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my
    usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?

    Do you know what your balance is?
    Scottish Power say that they do not like the balance to get too high
    in either direction. Their definition of too high is different to mine
    so my DD pays less in summer, more in winter, to mirror my usage.

    --
    Regards

    John

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sat Jun 21 15:22:24 2025
    On 21/06/2025 13:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 21/06/2025 13:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced
    because my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because
    my usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?

    My experience with EDF electricity is that they like to keep it
    permanently in credit but not so much that I get tempted to pay in arrears.

    If they have a million customers all on credit 50 quid in credit, its a
    nice little earner.

    We were with OVO, but have just moved to Octopus as OVO have made
    changes that mean that our Ohme EV charger will no longer function with
    their EV tariffs.

    We had credit built up with OVO and I had recently looked at getting it refunded, but their online system won't let you go below a credit level
    of 3 months payments! I could have phoned up and organised it that way,
    but then the charger change happened.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to email@here.invalid on Sat Jun 21 14:30:02 2025
    In article <mbnlvbFj7k8U1@mid.individual.net>, Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> wrote:
    On 21/06/2025 13:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced
    because my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?


    eh? Don't they do that as a public service (tm) to avoid folks going
    suddenly broke in the winter? Payments will usually be based on an
    estimate of the amount of energy you'll use over a year, and divided.

    Years ago BG worked out the useage over 5 quarters (the duplicated one
    being a winter one) and then divided by 12. Have they changed?

    --
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    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Peter Johnson@21:1/5 to email@here.invalid on Sat Jun 21 15:40:22 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 13:13:31 +0100, Adrian Caspersz
    <email@here.invalid> wrote:

    On 21/06/2025 13:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because
    my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my
    usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?


    eh? Don't they do that as a public service (tm) to avoid folks going
    suddenly broke in the winter? Payments will usually be based on an
    estimate of the amount of energy you'll use over a year, and divided.

    Two years ago EDF reduced my direct debit but I thought they'd got it
    wrong so I increased it. Six months later they reimbursed the amount
    I'd overpaid, because they hadn't got it wrong.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Pancho on Sat Jun 21 15:21:04 2025
    Pancho wrote:

    I don't know about other companies, but Bulb are cheats, they overcharge
    and getting a refund is like getting blood out of a stone.

    It didn't use to be too difficult to get a refund from E.on Previous.

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  • From nick@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sat Jun 21 16:16:11 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 12:09:13 +0000, Jeff Gaines wrote:


    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because
    my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my
    usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?

    Do you prefer to have it averaged over the year and let the energy
    company keep your account in credit all the time?

    I pay by DD every month but I pay off the total amount of that month's
    bill. That way at the end of the transaction nobody owes nobody else
    nuffink for nuffink.

    Nick

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to John on Sat Jun 21 17:36:29 2025
    On 21/06/2025 14:51, John wrote:
    On 21 Jun 2025 12:09:13 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
    wrote:


    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because
    my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my
    usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?

    Do you know what your balance is?
    Scottish Power say that they do not like the balance to get too high
    in either direction. Their definition of too high is different to mine
    so my DD pays less in summer, more in winter, to mirror my usage.

    Of course too high in their favour and you find another supplier. too
    high in yours and you might not pay.

    --
    Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
    guns, why should we let them have ideas?

    Josef Stalin

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to nick on Sat Jun 21 18:24:20 2025
    On 21/06/2025 17:16, nick wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 12:09:13 +0000, Jeff Gaines wrote:


    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because
    my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my
    usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?

    Do you prefer to have it averaged over the year and let the energy
    company keep your account in credit all the time?

    I pay by DD every month but I pay off the total amount of that month's
    bill. That way at the end of the transaction nobody owes nobody else
    nuffink for nuffink.

    Nick

    That suggests you have a smart meter and/or provide self readings every
    month.

    Many people resist the smart meter, or it doesn't work, so energy
    companies may only get a reading every 12 to 18 months.

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  • From nick@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 20:24:44 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 17:24:20 +0000, alan_m wrote:

    On 21/06/2025 17:16, nick wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 12:09:13 +0000, Jeff Gaines wrote:


    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because >>> my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my
    usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?

    Do you prefer to have it averaged over the year and let the energy
    company keep your account in credit all the time?

    I pay by DD every month but I pay off the total amount of that month's
    bill. That way at the end of the transaction nobody owes nobody else
    nuffink for nuffink.

    Nick

    That suggests you have a smart meter and/or provide self readings every month.

    Er... Nope/not quite.

    Many people resist the smart meter, or it doesn't work, so energy
    companies may only get a reading every 12 to 18 months.

    Smart meter refusnik here. It was all going very well before Covid and
    the energy crisis hit and I'd just have to phone in once or twice a year
    to keep the numbers on track. Although I normally spend a lot of time
    out of the country, Covid saw me unexpectedly locked down overseas for
    nearly nine months and there was an awful lot of hysteresis in the
    energy estimations to take account of this until they got it right
    again. Now the prices are being reset every three months I just phone in
    (0800 free number) at changeover time to keep the figures from drifting
    too far off.

    Nick

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  • From Rob@21:1/5 to nick on Sun Jun 22 10:22:07 2025
    On 21/06/2025 17:16, nick wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 12:09:13 +0000, Jeff Gaines wrote:


    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because
    my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my
    usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?

    Do you prefer to have it averaged over the year and let the energy
    company keep your account in credit all the time?

    I pay by DD every month but I pay off the total amount of that month's
    bill. That way at the end of the transaction nobody owes nobody else
    nuffink for nuffink.

    Nick
    Same here, as long as you have the savings to fund the higher winter
    payments seems a lot simpler. Was simple with 1 email to arrange on Octopus

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  • From Jack Harry Teesdale@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sun Jun 22 15:09:01 2025
    On 21/06/2025 13:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because
    my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my
    usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?

    They will have already calculated on that basis. Most people would be
    glad for a reduction in DD, in most cases suppliers want an increase!

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Teesdale on Sun Jun 22 14:37:20 2025
    On 22/06/2025 in message <10392pt$ifc2$1@dont-email.me> Jack Harry
    Teesdale wrote:

    On 21/06/2025 13:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because
    my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my >>usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?

    They will have already calculated on that basis. Most people would be glad >for a reduction in DD, in most cases suppliers want an increase!

    I don't want a sudden increase in winter which seems inevitable if they do this.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Thanks for teaching me the meaning of plethora, it means a lot.

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  • From Nick Odell@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 22 17:55:08 2025
    On 22 Jun 2025 14:37:20 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    On 22/06/2025 in message <10392pt$ifc2$1@dont-email.me> Jack Harry
    Teesdale wrote:

    On 21/06/2025 13:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    British Gas have proudly told me that my gas DD is being reduced because >>>my usage has dropped.

    Hello, it's summer, I don't have my central heating on in summer.

    Presumably in 3 or 4 months it will go up by a higher amount because my >>>usage has increased.

    Surely they can even it out over the year can't they?

    They will have already calculated on that basis. Most people would be glad >>for a reduction in DD, in most cases suppliers want an increase!

    I don't want a sudden increase in winter which seems inevitable if they do >this.

    I should have thought that rather than pay the same average amount
    through the year, anyone with concerns about being caught short by a
    winter price spike would do better to keep the summer surplus in their
    own interest-bearing bank account until it is needed than to grant it
    as a zero-interest loan to the utility company.

    Nick

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Odell on Sun Jun 22 17:59:33 2025
    On 22/06/2025 in message <sucg5k91mjln4uquem7tomme7pbcehv9lk@4ax.com> Nick Odell wrote:

    I don't want a sudden increase in winter which seems inevitable if they do >>this.

    I should have thought that rather than pay the same average amount
    through the year, anyone with concerns about being caught short by a
    winter price spike would do better to keep the summer surplus in their
    own interest-bearing bank account until it is needed than to grant it
    as a zero-interest loan to the utility company.

    An interest paying account, my grandad told me about those :-)

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

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  • From Nick Odell@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 23 09:39:08 2025
    On 22 Jun 2025 17:59:33 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    On 22/06/2025 in message <sucg5k91mjln4uquem7tomme7pbcehv9lk@4ax.com> Nick >Odell wrote:

    I don't want a sudden increase in winter which seems inevitable if they do >>>this.

    I should have thought that rather than pay the same average amount
    through the year, anyone with concerns about being caught short by a
    winter price spike would do better to keep the summer surplus in their
    own interest-bearing bank account until it is needed than to grant it
    as a zero-interest loan to the utility company.

    An interest paying account, my grandad told me about those :-)

    Works for me in 2025 ;-)

    Nick

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