• Re: External hard drive

    From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jun 30 12:57:34 2025
    On 30/06/2025 in message <6n056k1ldn287vbt368vh7ffk01fabq1j4@4ax.com>
    Scott wrote:

    I have found a fairly old WD My Book Essential drive (which I think I >previously wiped). I thought this might be useful as a backup drive
    but it won't work at the moment. Three ideas:

    1. Wrong power supply. However, the power supply I am using is for
    another WD My Book drive and it (the drive) lights up inside.
    2. The drive is mechanically faulty. I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.
    3. It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    Any ideas? Thanks.

    MiniTool Partition Wizard Free can be helpful in diagnostics:

    https://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    When you think there's no hope left remember the lobsters in the tank in
    the Titanic's restaurant.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 30 13:53:30 2025
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:40:26 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.

    not sure if "stiction" affects post-90s drive?

    It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    it needs to show in device manager / disk management before it will show
    in file explorer.

    Thank you. It shows in device manager, so I assume this rules out incompatibility of the power supply. Status = this device is working
    properly. It does not show in file explorer. Will this be because it
    is not formatted? How do I format it if it does not show in file
    explorer? I can't image it could be because it was formatted for
    Windows 7?

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jun 30 14:09:40 2025
    On 30/06/2025 13:53, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:40:26 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.

    not sure if "stiction" affects post-90s drive?

    It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    it needs to show in device manager / disk management before it will show
    in file explorer.

    Thank you. It shows in device manager, so I assume this rules out incompatibility of the power supply. Status = this device is working properly. It does not show in file explorer. Will this be because it
    is not formatted?

    It is likely it does not even have a partition on it (a non formatted
    partition would usually show up)

    How do I format it if it does not show in file
    explorer?

    Control Panel -> System and Security -> Administrative tools -> Create
    and format hard disk partitions.

    (Or from a windows explorer window, right click on the entry for "This
    PC" and select "Manage", then click Disk Management under Storage)

    That will then show all the physical drives that the system can see. You
    should be able to create a partition on the drive and then format it.

    I can't image it could be because it was formatted for
    Windows 7?

    Seems unlikely - Win 7 would format typically FAT32 or NTFS - both
    useable on current versions of windows.


    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jun 30 14:06:10 2025
    On 30/06/2025 13:53, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:40:26 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.

    not sure if "stiction" affects post-90s drive?

    It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    it needs to show in device manager / disk management before it will show
    in file explorer.

    Thank you. It shows in device manager, so I assume this rules out incompatibility of the power supply. Status = this device is working properly. It does not show in file explorer. Will this be because it
    is not formatted? How do I format it if it does not show in file
    explorer? I can't image it could be because it was formatted for
    Windows 7?

    Whatever the reason, would you trust an old hard drive which Windows
    doesn't get on with?

    If you want to try something else, download and install Linux Mint on a
    USB stick, and run that as a live version from a USB port of your
    computer (you can do this without installing it on the computer). Run
    "Disks" on Mint with the WD drive plugged into another USB port. Disks
    should be able to tell you if the drive is formatted, and if so, with
    what it is formatted. If the WD drive isn't formatted, Disks should be
    able to do it for you - if it is possible.

    --
    Jeff

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 30 13:34:33 2025
    I have found a fairly old WD My Book Essential drive (which I think I previously wiped). I thought this might be useful as a backup drive
    but it won't work at the moment. Three ideas:

    1. Wrong power supply. However, the power supply I am using is for
    another WD My Book drive and it (the drive) lights up inside.
    2. The drive is mechanically faulty. I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.
    3. It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    Any ideas? Thanks.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jun 30 13:40:26 2025
    Scott wrote:

    I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.

    not sure if "stiction" affects post-90s drive?

    It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    it needs to show in device manager / disk management before it will show
    in file explorer.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to see.my.signature@nowhere.null on Mon Jun 30 14:38:42 2025
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 14:09:40 +0100, John Rumm
    <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    On 30/06/2025 13:53, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:40:26 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.

    not sure if "stiction" affects post-90s drive?

    It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    it needs to show in device manager / disk management before it will show >>> in file explorer.

    Thank you. It shows in device manager, so I assume this rules out
    incompatibility of the power supply. Status = this device is working
    properly. It does not show in file explorer. Will this be because it
    is not formatted?

    It is likely it does not even have a partition on it (a non formatted >partition would usually show up)

    How do I format it if it does not show in file
    explorer?

    Control Panel -> System and Security -> Administrative tools -> Create
    and format hard disk partitions.

    (Or from a windows explorer window, right click on the entry for "This
    PC" and select "Manage", then click Disk Management under Storage)

    That will then show all the physical drives that the system can see. You >should be able to create a partition on the drive and then format it.

    Thanks. 'Windows tools' I assume. It says to initialise. MBR or GPT?
    'Disk 2' is not in the main list. Does this reassure me it is the one
    to be initialised.

    I can't image it could be because it was formatted for
    Windows 7?

    Seems unlikely - Win 7 would format typically FAT32 or NTFS - both
    useable on current versions of windows.

    I thought that too. Your other advice seems to be the answer.

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jun 30 18:09:38 2025
    On 30/06/2025 14:38, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 14:09:40 +0100, John Rumm
    <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    On 30/06/2025 13:53, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:40:26 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.

    not sure if "stiction" affects post-90s drive?

    It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    it needs to show in device manager / disk management before it will show >>>> in file explorer.

    Thank you. It shows in device manager, so I assume this rules out
    incompatibility of the power supply. Status = this device is working
    properly. It does not show in file explorer. Will this be because it
    is not formatted?

    It is likely it does not even have a partition on it (a non formatted
    partition would usually show up)

    How do I format it if it does not show in file
    explorer?

    Control Panel -> System and Security -> Administrative tools -> Create
    and format hard disk partitions.

    (Or from a windows explorer window, right click on the entry for "This
    PC" and select "Manage", then click Disk Management under Storage)

    That will then show all the physical drives that the system can see. You
    should be able to create a partition on the drive and then format it.

    Thanks. 'Windows tools' I assume. It says to initialise. MBR or GPT?

    Depends on how you want to use the drive. For general compatibility and
    ease of access on multiple machines, go for the older Master Boot Record
    style partition (MBR).

    If you want to boot from the drive on a modern PC with a UEFI bios, then
    you would probably need to make it GUID Partition Table (GPT) for a
    modern system to actually recognise it.

    'Disk 2' is not in the main list. Does this reassure me it is the one
    to be initialised.

    The top list will only show actual volumes - i.e. formatted partitions
    that are (usually) associated with a drive letter (although windows does
    not actually require driver letters these days, it is common to use them
    for compatibility with older software).

    Note that you can have multiple partitions on one physical drive - so
    you might have (say) 4 logical volumes mapped onto one physical disk
    shown in the lower pane.

    If you right click on the physical disk in the lower pane, and select "Properties" it will give you extra info about the disk - typically
    including the manufacturer and model. That can give you the assurance
    that you are playing with the right drive. Note that drives on external
    USB interfaces might have their identity obscured by the USB interface
    adaptor.

    So in short, if you want a big lump of space to tote files about, make
    the disk MBR, put one "primary" partition on it to fill all the
    available space, and then format it as FAT32.

    If you to preserve information like file ownership, alternate date
    streams etc, then format it as NTFS.

    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jun 30 18:36:57 2025
    On 30/06/2025 13:53, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:40:26 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.

    not sure if "stiction" affects post-90s drive?

    It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    it needs to show in device manager / disk management before it will show
    in file explorer.

    Thank you. It shows in device manager, so I assume this rules out incompatibility of the power supply. Status = this device is working properly. It does not show in file explorer. Will this be because it
    is not formatted? How do I format it if it does not show in file
    explorer? I can't image it could be because it was formatted for
    Windows 7?

    Disk manager has the facility to format it. Pervious it may have been
    formatted to something windows doesn't recognised - perhaps ext3/4 as
    used by a lot of PVRs.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 30 18:39:34 2025
    On 30/06/2025 18:36, alan_m wrote:
    On 30/06/2025 13:53, Scott wrote:


    Thank you. It shows in device manager, so I assume this rules out
    incompatibility of the power supply. Status = this device is working
    properly. It does not show in file explorer. Will this be because it
    is not formatted? How do I format it if it does not show in file
    explorer? I can't image it could be because it was formatted for
    Windows 7?

    Disk manager has the facility to format it. Pervious it may have been formatted to something windows doesn't recognised - perhaps ext3/4 as
    used by a lot of PVRs.



    Using Disk Management:

    1. Open Disk Management:
    Search for "Disk Management" in the Windows search bar and open the application.

    2. Locate the Disk:
    Identify the disk you want to detect. It may appear as "Unknown" or "Not Initialized" if it's new or not formatted.

    3. Initialize and Format:
    If the disk is new or uninitialized, right-click on it and select
    "Initialize Disk". Then, right-click and choose "New Simple Volume" to
    format the drive with a file system (like NTFS) and assign a drive letter.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to see.my.signature@nowhere.null on Mon Jun 30 18:49:45 2025
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:09:38 +0100, John Rumm
    <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    On 30/06/2025 14:38, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 14:09:40 +0100, John Rumm
    <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    On 30/06/2025 13:53, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:40:26 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.

    not sure if "stiction" affects post-90s drive?

    It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    it needs to show in device manager / disk management before it will show >>>>> in file explorer.

    Thank you. It shows in device manager, so I assume this rules out
    incompatibility of the power supply. Status = this device is working
    properly. It does not show in file explorer. Will this be because it
    is not formatted?

    It is likely it does not even have a partition on it (a non formatted
    partition would usually show up)

    How do I format it if it does not show in file
    explorer?

    Control Panel -> System and Security -> Administrative tools -> Create
    and format hard disk partitions.

    (Or from a windows explorer window, right click on the entry for "This
    PC" and select "Manage", then click Disk Management under Storage)

    That will then show all the physical drives that the system can see. You >>> should be able to create a partition on the drive and then format it.

    Thanks. 'Windows tools' I assume. It says to initialise. MBR or GPT?

    Depends on how you want to use the drive. For general compatibility and
    ease of access on multiple machines, go for the older Master Boot Record >style partition (MBR).

    If you want to boot from the drive on a modern PC with a UEFI bios, then
    you would probably need to make it GUID Partition Table (GPT) for a
    modern system to actually recognise it.

    'Disk 2' is not in the main list. Does this reassure me it is the one
    to be initialised.

    The top list will only show actual volumes - i.e. formatted partitions
    that are (usually) associated with a drive letter (although windows does
    not actually require driver letters these days, it is common to use them
    for compatibility with older software).

    Note that you can have multiple partitions on one physical drive - so
    you might have (say) 4 logical volumes mapped onto one physical disk
    shown in the lower pane.

    If you right click on the physical disk in the lower pane, and select >"Properties" it will give you extra info about the disk - typically
    including the manufacturer and model. That can give you the assurance
    that you are playing with the right drive. Note that drives on external
    USB interfaces might have their identity obscured by the USB interface >adaptor.

    So in short, if you want a big lump of space to tote files about, make
    the disk MBR, put one "primary" partition on it to fill all the
    available space, and then format it as FAT32.

    If you to preserve information like file ownership, alternate date
    streams etc, then format it as NTFS.

    Great, thanks. This was my assumption but I wanted to check in case I
    trashed the wrong drive. Why FAT32 though when the rest of the PC is
    NTFS?

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 30 18:50:37 2025
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:36:57 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 30/06/2025 13:53, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:40:26 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.

    not sure if "stiction" affects post-90s drive?

    It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    it needs to show in device manager / disk management before it will show >>> in file explorer.

    Thank you. It shows in device manager, so I assume this rules out
    incompatibility of the power supply. Status = this device is working
    properly. It does not show in file explorer. Will this be because it
    is not formatted? How do I format it if it does not show in file
    explorer? I can't image it could be because it was formatted for
    Windows 7?

    Disk manager has the facility to format it. Pervious it may have been >formatted to something windows doesn't recognised - perhaps ext3/4 as
    used by a lot of PVRs.

    Great, I think this will be tonight's entertainment.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk on Mon Jun 30 20:19:33 2025
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:50:37 +0100, Scott
    <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:36:57 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 30/06/2025 13:53, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:40:26 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.

    not sure if "stiction" affects post-90s drive?

    It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    it needs to show in device manager / disk management before it will show >>>> in file explorer.

    Thank you. It shows in device manager, so I assume this rules out
    incompatibility of the power supply. Status = this device is working
    properly. It does not show in file explorer. Will this be because it
    is not formatted? How do I format it if it does not show in file
    explorer? I can't image it could be because it was formatted for
    Windows 7?

    Disk manager has the facility to format it. Pervious it may have been >>formatted to something windows doesn't recognised - perhaps ext3/4 as
    used by a lot of PVRs.

    Great, I think this will be tonight's entertainment.

    It says the device is not ready.

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Scott on Tue Jul 1 01:05:12 2025
    On 30/06/2025 18:49, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:09:38 +0100, John Rumm
    <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    On 30/06/2025 14:38, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 14:09:40 +0100, John Rumm
    <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    On 30/06/2025 13:53, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:40:26 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> >>>>> wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.

    not sure if "stiction" affects post-90s drive?

    It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does >>>>>>> not show in File Explorer.

    it needs to show in device manager / disk management before it will show >>>>>> in file explorer.

    Thank you. It shows in device manager, so I assume this rules out
    incompatibility of the power supply. Status = this device is working >>>>> properly. It does not show in file explorer. Will this be because it >>>>> is not formatted?

    It is likely it does not even have a partition on it (a non formatted
    partition would usually show up)

    How do I format it if it does not show in file
    explorer?

    Control Panel -> System and Security -> Administrative tools -> Create >>>> and format hard disk partitions.

    (Or from a windows explorer window, right click on the entry for "This >>>> PC" and select "Manage", then click Disk Management under Storage)

    That will then show all the physical drives that the system can see. You >>>> should be able to create a partition on the drive and then format it.

    Thanks. 'Windows tools' I assume. It says to initialise. MBR or GPT?

    Depends on how you want to use the drive. For general compatibility and
    ease of access on multiple machines, go for the older Master Boot Record
    style partition (MBR).

    If you want to boot from the drive on a modern PC with a UEFI bios, then
    you would probably need to make it GUID Partition Table (GPT) for a
    modern system to actually recognise it.

    'Disk 2' is not in the main list. Does this reassure me it is the one
    to be initialised.

    The top list will only show actual volumes - i.e. formatted partitions
    that are (usually) associated with a drive letter (although windows does
    not actually require driver letters these days, it is common to use them
    for compatibility with older software).

    Note that you can have multiple partitions on one physical drive - so
    you might have (say) 4 logical volumes mapped onto one physical disk
    shown in the lower pane.

    If you right click on the physical disk in the lower pane, and select
    "Properties" it will give you extra info about the disk - typically
    including the manufacturer and model. That can give you the assurance
    that you are playing with the right drive. Note that drives on external
    USB interfaces might have their identity obscured by the USB interface
    adaptor.

    So in short, if you want a big lump of space to tote files about, make
    the disk MBR, put one "primary" partition on it to fill all the
    available space, and then format it as FAT32.

    If you to preserve information like file ownership, alternate date
    streams etc, then format it as NTFS.

    Great, thanks. This was my assumption but I wanted to check in case I
    trashed the wrong drive. Why FAT32 though when the rest of the PC is
    NTFS?

    It depends on your use case. If it is just being used on the one windows
    PC - then NTFS is fine.

    If you want it to work across multiple platforms and be readable on a
    variety of systems in addition to windows PCs then FAT32 can be read and written by pretty much anything. Support for NTFS on other platforms is
    less universal.



    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Scott on Tue Jul 1 02:48:07 2025
    On Mon, 6/30/2025 3:19 PM, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:50:37 +0100, Scott
    <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:36:57 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 30/06/2025 13:53, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:40:26 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    I would be surprised if a drive
    could become faulty due to non-use.

    not sure if "stiction" affects post-90s drive?

    It needs to be initialised or whatever after being wiped. It does
    not show in File Explorer.

    it needs to show in device manager / disk management before it will show >>>>> in file explorer.

    Thank you. It shows in device manager, so I assume this rules out
    incompatibility of the power supply. Status = this device is working
    properly. It does not show in file explorer. Will this be because it
    is not formatted? How do I format it if it does not show in file
    explorer? I can't image it could be because it was formatted for
    Windows 7?

    Disk manager has the facility to format it. Pervious it may have been
    formatted to something windows doesn't recognised - perhaps ext3/4 as
    used by a lot of PVRs.

    Great, I think this will be tonight's entertainment.

    It says the device is not ready.


    This is an example video of the disassembly of one of those.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhEk0w5wqko

    That happens to be a "shuck-able" drive. The drive has an actual SATA
    connector on it, like ordinary drives at the computer store for internal computer usage would have. The "adapter" PCB is a bolt-on in this particular example video.

    The companies also make hard drives, where instead of a SATA connector showing, the controller only shows a USB connector on the hard drive controller board. And then, those drives are permanently compromised by their fixed USB connection.
    The USB hardware needs "S.M.A.R.T Passthrough" as a feature, in order to
    read out the "drive health".

    *******

    We don't need to pay attention to the video right now, except to be
    familiar with the internal parts. A USB to SATA converter, a SATA drive.
    In other cases, the drive is "native USB" and not as useful to us.

    *******

    The drive was ready at one point, because the drive identity command will
    not run, unless the drive is spinning and the firmware has been
    loaded off the platter. The controller board bolted to the hard drive,
    has a small ROM that the CPU on the drive uses. This is the "bootstrap code". It does not contain an ATA/ATAPI command interpreter, rendering the drive rather "dumb". when the power comes on, the bootstrap loads, the drive
    works the heads off the landing ramp, and when the spindle is up to speed (Listen with your ear for "humming" indicating a motor is working),
    the heads load onto the platters. And maybe 2MB of additional code is loaded off the platter. This can include critical data structures, a "map" which
    maps spared out sectors (stored in the cache RAM), plus the ATA command set code.

    (If you hold your ear to an enclosure, and you hear "deedle-dee deedle0-dee",
    the spindle is stuck. the spindle seizes when the lubricant in the motor is gone.)

    At this point, if the computer (via USB or via SATA) asks the drive
    "who are you", it would answer WD10PURP or whatever. It would send
    a string which is the drive model number.

    And basically at this point then, the work necessary to bring up
    the command interpreter, has "proven in" that the heads are intact,
    the platter spins, and so on.

    Now, if the drive "goes to sleep", it has a different state. The
    controller firmware is still loaded. The power does not go off on
    the controller board. But the controller, if it wants, can spin
    down the drive. On occasion, a drive design, is unable to "wake"
    properly, and it may give a "drive not ready" status. Which means
    the drive technically works, but some sort of firmware bug prevents
    continued operation. (While Windows Device Manager shows some
    "Power Save" tick boxes for keyboard and mouse, presumably the
    drive does not show any of those.)

    External drives use "aggressive sleep" to control the enclosure
    temperature. On some drives, this was set as low as five seconds,
    which is just "silly". The drive is allowed to load and unload
    the heads, at least 300,000 times. You can see that aggressive
    sleep, could eat into that lifetime count. The problem is,
    the OS occasionally "pokes" the drive to see if it is still
    present, and this ruins the utility of the drive-implemented sleep.

    If you use the HDTune "bad block scan", that serves to read the platter surface.

    https://www.hdtune.com/download.html

    https://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe

    If S.M.A.R.T Passthrough is not working, the Health page will remain
    blank, and possibly a minus sign will appear where the drive temperature
    should be, indicating the temperature cannot be read over USB. HDTune Free
    is an "old" program, does not know about SSD drives particularly,
    but it serves an occasional purpose.

    HDTune runs as Administrator, because it is doing low level access to
    a storage device. You could cable up the drive, start HDTune, then flip
    the power switch on the enclosure, then keep checking the HDTune
    menu for the drive identifier. Click "Start" in the Error Scan
    menu item, and see how long (or if) the drive will run, for a
    "surface scan".

    That's an example of a fairly simple activity. By reading continuously,
    if the drive even stays "ready" for a few seconds, you may be able
    to read it for an hour or two (it can't enter sleep state, if
    the user keeps reading). The drive enclosure (being fan-free of
    course), gets pretty warm when you do this. The purpose of doing
    a scan, is to get some idea whether the thing is full of bad blocks,
    has a few, or is "green all the way".

    Removing the drive from the enclosure, does not remove the
    aggressive sleep behavior. Not necessarily. There may be a command
    for that, but it's been a while since I've needed to work at
    that level on a drive.

    But seeing as your drive is reporting Not Ready, something is up
    with the power state. And the sleep behavior is not a response
    to temperature either. Even if the room was refrigerated, the
    hardware would continue to irritate you with that behavior.
    It used to be that only laptop drives went to sleep instantly.

    The drive body is typically rated for around 60C max. The disk
    writing operations are temperature-compensated. The drive has
    always had a need to measure the temperature, as part of operations
    of the dense ones. Older drives with only megabytes of data,
    the flying height was 1000x what it is now. A temperature of
    60C though, is not a good permanent state for the motor,
    as a higher operating temperature can cause the lubricant to
    escape the motor. The seals on modern motors are very good, so
    let's hope that is no longer an issue.

    Paul

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