• OT: Heathrow substation final report

    From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 2 07:01:30 2025
    <https://www.neso.energy/document/363891/download>

    "An elevated moisture reading in one of SGT3’s bushings had been
    detected in oil samples taken in July 2018. According to National Grid Electricity Transmission’s relevant guidance, such readings indicate ‘an imminent fault and that the bushing should be replaced’. While the
    reading was recorded in National Grid Electricity Transmission’s online system, the mitigations appropriate to its severity were not actioned."

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jul 2 08:54:21 2025
    On 02/07/2025 07:01, Andy Burns wrote:

    <https://www.neso.energy/document/363891/download>

    "An elevated moisture reading in one of SGT3’s bushings had been
    detected in oil samples taken in July 2018. According to National Grid Electricity Transmission’s relevant guidance, such readings indicate ‘an imminent fault and that the bushing should be replaced’. While the
    reading was recorded in National Grid Electricity Transmission’s online system, the mitigations appropriate to its severity were not actioned."

    Hanlon's Razor applies again! Unless, of course, it was Russian
    moisture... :-)

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    Jeff

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to Jeff@invalid.invalid on Wed Jul 2 10:21:02 2025
    In message <1042ojd$3d46p$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
    <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes
    On 02/07/2025 07:01, Andy Burns wrote:
    <https://www.neso.energy/document/363891/download>
    "An elevated moisture reading in one of SGT3’s bushings had been
    detected in oil samples taken in July 2018. According to National Grid
    Electricity Transmission’s relevant guidance, such readings indicate ‘an >> imminent fault and that the bushing should be replaced’. While the
    reading was recorded in National Grid Electricity Transmission’s online
    system, the mitigations appropriate to its severity were not actioned."

    Hanlon's Razor applies again! Unless, of course, it was Russian
    moisture... :-)


    I blame climate change, Donald Trump , or cyclists or maybe the SNP.

    The BBC made a moger of explaining what a bushing was, but I see they've removed that bit.

    Brian
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    Brian Howie

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  • From AnthonyL@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 2 12:30:02 2025
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 07:01:30 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:


    <https://www.neso.energy/document/363891/download>

    "An elevated moisture reading in one of SGT3’s bushings had been
    detected in oil samples taken in July 2018. According to National Grid >Electricity Transmission’s relevant guidance, such readings indicate ‘an >imminent fault and that the bushing should be replaced’. While the
    reading was recorded in National Grid Electricity Transmission’s online >system, the mitigations appropriate to its severity were not actioned."

    From the BBC:

    <quote>The report found that National Grid did not know how crucial
    the North Hyde substation was to Heathrow, even though the airport did
    know.

    "So when they identified those moisture levels back in 2018, what
    should have happened is that the transformer should have been taken
    out of service for a short period of time and that fault effectively
    repaired," he said.

    "That was missed. The moisture got worse over time and ultimately
    that's what caused the fire to happen. The story of our report really
    is probably one of missed opportunities."</quote>

    I hope customers and the suppliers learn that they need to have some understanding of each others roles instead of going for what I call
    "sub system optimisation", which loosely translated means "optimising
    our profits".


    --
    AnthonyL

    Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to AnthonyL on Wed Jul 2 18:28:51 2025
    On 02/07/2025 13:30, AnthonyL wrote:
    I hope customers and the suppliers learn that they need to have some understanding of each others roles instead of going for what I call
    "sub system optimisation", which loosely translated means "optimising
    our profits".

    It's extremely strange. Whenever I have reported a network fault they
    are out there like a shot usually.

    --
    Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
    people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
    they are poor.

    Peter Thompson

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Wed Jul 2 19:23:07 2025
    On 02/07/2025 18:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 02/07/2025 13:30, AnthonyL wrote:
    I hope customers and the suppliers learn that they need to have some
    understanding of each others roles instead of going for what I call
    "sub system optimisation", which loosely translated means "optimising
    our profits".

    It's extremely strange. Whenever I have reported a network fault they
    are out there like a shot usually.

    My experience is that my electricity supplier is very good at short-term
    fixes but not so good at long-term fixes and checks for recurring problems.

    We went through a phase of getting brief (*) 2-second power breaks every summer, especially after it had been windy. Sometimes they would happen
    there or four in the minute, then there would be a gap and then another
    flurry of them. I diagnosed the problem almost immediately - overhanging
    tree branches blowing in the wind, touching the high-voltage 11 kV or 33
    kV lines and tripping a circuit breaker which either reconnected or else triggered a switch over to a different HV feed.

    The electricity company always acted surprised, as if they would never
    have expected this in a million years. One year the response was "well,
    we cut back those trees last year. They've *grown* again." As if the
    concept of trees growing was new to them. Another year they blamed it on
    cattle using a wooden pole as a scratching post - plausible until the
    farmer who owned the field replied on the village Facebook group that
    there hadn't been animals in that field for the whole year.

    Strongly-worded letters to CEOs seemed to do the trick. The only power
    cuts we've had since then have been planned ones that we've been
    notified about in advance, and a long one after a violent storm that
    affected a wide area. Those are understandable and forgivable, but brief repetitive faults are down to poor maintenance and not cutting back
    branches *before* they get anywhere near causing shorts to earth.


    (*) Just long enough that all computer equipment needed to reboot, and
    causing non-recoverable problems with our mesh wifi network which
    sometimes locks-out some nodes if they are all turned back on
    simultaneously - they need to be turned on in a special sequence
    otherwise they stall as they try to auto-negotiate free 2.4 GHz wifi
    channels. I was considering buying UPSes - plural, because each node in
    a different part of the house would need its own. That would need four
    of them: three for "child" nodes and one for the "parent" node and the
    router.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 2 19:47:55 2025
    On 02/07/2025 19:23, NY wrote:
    On 02/07/2025 18:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 02/07/2025 13:30, AnthonyL wrote:
    I hope customers and the suppliers learn that they need to have some
    understanding of each others roles instead of going for what I call
    "sub system optimisation", which loosely translated means "optimising
    our profits".

    It's extremely strange. Whenever I have reported a network fault they
    are out there like a shot usually.

    My experience is that my electricity supplier is very good at short-term fixes but not so good at long-term fixes and checks for recurring problems.

    We went through a phase of getting brief (*) 2-second power breaks every summer, especially after it had been windy. Sometimes they would happen
    there or four in the minute, then there would be a gap and then another flurry of them. I diagnosed the problem almost immediately - overhanging
    tree branches blowing in the wind, touching the high-voltage 11 kV or 33
    kV lines and tripping a circuit breaker which either reconnected or else triggered a switch over to a different HV feed.

    The electricity company always acted surprised, as if they would never
    have expected this in a million years. One year the response was "well,
    we cut back those trees last year. They've *grown* again." As if the
    concept of trees growing was new to them. Another year they blamed it on
     cattle using a wooden pole as a scratching post - plausible until the farmer who owned the field replied on the village Facebook group that
    there hadn't been animals in that field for the whole year.

    Strongly-worded letters to CEOs seemed to do the trick. The only power
    cuts we've had since then have been planned ones that we've been
    notified about in advance, and a long one after a violent storm that
    affected a wide area. Those are understandable and forgivable, but brief repetitive faults are down to poor maintenance and not cutting back
    branches *before* they get anywhere near causing shorts to earth.

    Round here they do exactly that.


    (*) Just long enough that all computer equipment needed to reboot, and causing non-recoverable problems with our mesh wifi network which
    sometimes locks-out some nodes if they are all turned back on
    simultaneously - they need to be turned on in a special sequence
    otherwise they stall as they try to auto-negotiate free 2.4 GHz wifi channels. I was considering buying UPSes - plural, because each node in
    a different part of the house would need its own. That would need four
    of them: three for "child" nodes and one for the "parent" node and the router.

    Well yes. Its a tossup as to whether my CH system comes up clean or not.
    House Server obviously does not and I leave it down until the power is definitely up

    --
    It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 3 07:35:10 2025
    On Wed, 02 Jul 2025 19:23:07 +0100, NY wrote:

    On 02/07/2025 18:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    My experience is that my electricity supplier is very good at short-term fixes but not so good at long-term fixes and checks for recurring
    problems.

    That has the whiff of "different budgets", with the longer term one being
    bleed dry for the shareholders. (See also: water).

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 3 10:39:47 2025
    On 03/07/2025 08:35, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Wed, 02 Jul 2025 19:23:07 +0100, NY wrote:

    On 02/07/2025 18:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    My experience is that my electricity supplier is very good at short-term
    fixes but not so good at long-term fixes and checks for recurring
    problems.

    That has the whiff of "different budgets", with the longer term one being bleed dry for the shareholders. (See also: water).

    Indeed. When I got my supply undergrounded so I could build a second
    storey where the wires had run, I had to stump up part of the bill, but
    not all. There was 'some budget for undergrounding'.

    They cost of maintaining 11kV and 33kv above ground makes sense of
    putting it underground wherever possible, but the capital budget to do
    that doesn't exist.


    --
    In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

    - George Orwell

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