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  • Re: OT: Legacy PC cables

    From Scott@21:1/5 to Joe on Thu Jul 10 10:06:30 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:59:22 +0100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:45:33 +0100
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have moved house and I am having a clear-out. Am I right in thinking
    that *all* legacy cables (eg, serial, parallel, SCART, PS/2 etc) are
    now worthless and responsible recycling is now the only place for
    them?

    Are they WEEE? Can I dump them at Currys :-)

    My local tip, sorry, recycling centre has a bin for cables. And I'm
    typing this on an HP keyboard plugged in on PS/2. My remote temperature >sensor is plugged into my server on serial, albeit through a USB
    adaptor, both ends being XBees. My backup 19" monitor connects by VGA.
    I still have at least one device that charges through mini USB.

    So it depends on what you do.

    I'm not using any of these connection options for this PC. Would it be
    helpful for me to drop them all off at yours as this would give you a
    source of spares and added resilience :-)

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Scott on Thu Jul 10 09:59:22 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:45:33 +0100
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have moved house and I am having a clear-out. Am I right in thinking
    that *all* legacy cables (eg, serial, parallel, SCART, PS/2 etc) are
    now worthless and responsible recycling is now the only place for
    them?

    Are they WEEE? Can I dump them at Currys :-)

    My local tip, sorry, recycling centre has a bin for cables. And I'm
    typing this on an HP keyboard plugged in on PS/2. My remote temperature
    sensor is plugged into my server on serial, albeit through a USB
    adaptor, both ends being XBees. My backup 19" monitor connects by VGA.
    I still have at least one device that charges through mini USB.

    So it depends on what you do.

    --
    Joe

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 10 09:45:33 2025
    I have moved house and I am having a clear-out. Am I right in thinking
    that *all* legacy cables (eg, serial, parallel, SCART, PS/2 etc) are
    now worthless and responsible recycling is now the only place for
    them?

    Are they WEEE? Can I dump them at Currys :-)

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Joe on Thu Jul 10 10:55:42 2025
    On 10/07/2025 09:59, Joe wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:45:33 +0100
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have moved house and I am having a clear-out. Am I right in thinking
    that *all* legacy cables (eg, serial, parallel, SCART, PS/2 etc) are
    now worthless and responsible recycling is now the only place for
    them?

    Are they WEEE? Can I dump them at Currys :-)

    My local tip, sorry, recycling centre has a bin for cables. And I'm
    typing this on an HP keyboard plugged in on PS/2. My remote temperature sensor is plugged into my server on serial, albeit through a USB
    adaptor, both ends being XBees. My backup 19" monitor connects by VGA.
    I still have at least one device that charges through mini USB.

    So it depends on what you do.

    People still do retro computing. Worth ebaying stuff

    --
    How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

    Adolf Hitler

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Thu Jul 10 11:44:37 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 10:55:42 +0100
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 10/07/2025 09:59, Joe wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:45:33 +0100
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have moved house and I am having a clear-out. Am I right in
    thinking that *all* legacy cables (eg, serial, parallel, SCART,
    PS/2 etc) are now worthless and responsible recycling is now the
    only place for them?

    Are they WEEE? Can I dump them at Currys :-)

    My local tip, sorry, recycling centre has a bin for cables. And I'm
    typing this on an HP keyboard plugged in on PS/2. My remote
    temperature sensor is plugged into my server on serial, albeit
    through a USB adaptor, both ends being XBees. My backup 19" monitor connects by VGA. I still have at least one device that charges
    through mini USB.

    So it depends on what you do.

    People still do retro computing. Worth ebaying stuff


    My son in law is having trouble getting hold of GPIB cards for modern
    PCs. He has a large collection of old but perfectly functional test
    equipment, some of it fairly exotic. I've just given him a Tek 465B
    scope.

    --
    Joe

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Scott on Thu Jul 10 11:39:41 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 10:06:30 +0100
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:59:22 +0100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:45:33 +0100
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have moved house and I am having a clear-out. Am I right in
    thinking that *all* legacy cables (eg, serial, parallel, SCART,
    PS/2 etc) are now worthless and responsible recycling is now the
    only place for them?

    Are they WEEE? Can I dump them at Currys :-)

    My local tip, sorry, recycling centre has a bin for cables. And I'm
    typing this on an HP keyboard plugged in on PS/2. My remote
    temperature sensor is plugged into my server on serial, albeit
    through a USB adaptor, both ends being XBees. My backup 19" monitor >connects by VGA. I still have at least one device that charges
    through mini USB.

    So it depends on what you do.

    I'm not using any of these connection options for this PC. Would it be helpful for me to drop them all off at yours as this would give you a
    source of spares and added resilience :-)

    I have a source of spares. The only cables I've thrown away so far have
    been a couple of VGAs and a Centronix. Oh, and SCARTs, they are the
    work of the Devil and I was glad to stop using them. I still have a bit
    of a Centronix cable, they are an excellent source of thin wires with
    many different colour codes.

    --
    Joe

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Joe on Thu Jul 10 11:59:36 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 11:39:41 +0100
    Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    Oh, and SCARTs, they are the work of the Devil

    Never was a truer word spoken. Aren't they French?

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to tnp@invalid.invalid on Thu Jul 10 12:25:18 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 10:55:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 10/07/2025 09:59, Joe wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:45:33 +0100
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have moved house and I am having a clear-out. Am I right in thinking
    that *all* legacy cables (eg, serial, parallel, SCART, PS/2 etc) are
    now worthless and responsible recycling is now the only place for
    them?

    Are they WEEE? Can I dump them at Currys :-)

    My local tip, sorry, recycling centre has a bin for cables. And I'm
    typing this on an HP keyboard plugged in on PS/2. My remote temperature
    sensor is plugged into my server on serial, albeit through a USB
    adaptor, both ends being XBees. My backup 19" monitor connects by VGA.
    I still have at least one device that charges through mini USB.

    So it depends on what you do.

    People still do retro computing. Worth ebaying stuff

    Thanks. I think I'll give that a go.

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Joe on Thu Jul 10 12:20:23 2025
    On 10/07/2025 11:44, Joe wrote:

    My son in law is having trouble getting hold of GPIB cards for modern
    PCs. He has a large collection of old but perfectly functional test equipment, some of it fairly exotic. I've just given him a Tek 465B
    scope.


    Google GPIB-USB-HS, especially on chinese sites, unless you want to give
    over £1000 to Farnell....

    Surely someone somewhere has designed something that uses GPIO from a microcontroller or SBC?

    Hmmmmm ...

    http://elektronomikon.org/

    --
    Adrian C

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Joe on Thu Jul 10 14:01:27 2025
    On 10/07/2025 11:39, Joe wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 10:06:30 +0100
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:59:22 +0100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:45:33 +0100
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have moved house and I am having a clear-out. Am I right in
    thinking that *all* legacy cables (eg, serial, parallel, SCART,
    PS/2 etc) are now worthless and responsible recycling is now the
    only place for them?

    Are they WEEE? Can I dump them at Currys :-)

    My local tip, sorry, recycling centre has a bin for cables. And I'm
    typing this on an HP keyboard plugged in on PS/2. My remote
    temperature sensor is plugged into my server on serial, albeit
    through a USB adaptor, both ends being XBees. My backup 19" monitor
    connects by VGA. I still have at least one device that charges
    through mini USB.

    So it depends on what you do.

    I'm not using any of these connection options for this PC. Would it be
    helpful for me to drop them all off at yours as this would give you a
    source of spares and added resilience :-)

    I have a source of spares. The only cables I've thrown away so far have
    been a couple of VGAs and a Centronix. Oh, and SCARTs, they are the
    work of the Devil and I was glad to stop using them. I still have a bit
    of a Centronix cable, they are an excellent source of thin wires with
    many different colour codes.


    I had a drawer full of old cables and realised I no longer had equipment
    that used any of them. Put in couple of carrier bags and dumped in the
    small electrical items cage at the local recycling centre (aka the tip)

    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Davey on Thu Jul 10 14:07:35 2025
    On 10/07/2025 11:59, Davey wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 11:39:41 +0100
    Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    Oh, and SCARTs, they are the work of the Devil

    Never was a truer word spoken. Aren't they French?


    +1 I ended up buying the flat wire type with all connections made. The
    flat cable consisted of 21(?) wires each with individual screen braid (I
    use the word braid loosely)

    The cables were a lot more flexible and didn't strain the plug/socket connection.

    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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  • From Indy Jess John@21:1/5 to Joe on Thu Jul 10 15:16:51 2025
    On 10/07/2025 11:44, Joe wrote:


    My son in law is having trouble getting hold of GPIB cards for modern
    PCs. He has a large collection of old but perfectly functional test equipment, some of it fairly exotic. I've just given him a Tek 465B
    scope.

    I found this one.
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166613635041

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Scott on Thu Jul 10 13:42:18 2025
    On Thu, 7/10/2025 4:45 AM, Scott wrote:
    I have moved house and I am having a clear-out. Am I right in thinking
    that *all* legacy cables (eg, serial, parallel, SCART, PS/2 etc) are
    now worthless and responsible recycling is now the only place for
    them?

    Are they WEEE? Can I dump them at Currys :-)


    32% of new copper comes from recycled material.

    So yes, loading it into a recycling bin helps ensure
    we have copper for other things of more value in
    the future. Like that fine new grid we will be getting :-)
    We will need copper for that.

    Copper is now in many ways, in the same class as gold.
    It is quite pricey stuff.

    Paul

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu Jul 10 20:30:13 2025
    On 10/07/2025 18:42, Paul wrote:
    On Thu, 7/10/2025 4:45 AM, Scott wrote:
    I have moved house and I am having a clear-out. Am I right in thinking
    that *all* legacy cables (eg, serial, parallel, SCART, PS/2 etc) are
    now worthless and responsible recycling is now the only place for
    them?

    Are they WEEE? Can I dump them at Currys :-)


    32% of new copper comes from recycled material.

    So yes, loading it into a recycling bin helps ensure
    we have copper for other things of more value in
    the future. Like that fine new grid we will be getting :-)
    We will need copper for that.

    Copper is now in many ways, in the same class as gold.
    It is quite pricey stuff.

    Google's AI, him say:

    "The spot price for gold is currently around $3,322.69 per ounce, while
    copper is trading at approximately $5.56 per pound."

    Even ignoring the different units involved, there is a bit of a price gap.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Davey on Thu Jul 10 22:42:45 2025
    On 10/07/2025 11:59, Davey wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 11:39:41 +0100
    Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    Oh, and SCARTs, they are the work of the Devil

    Never was a truer word spoken. Aren't they French?

    You're thinking of the Peritel standard as that was definately French
    SCART was in fact developed by Sharp for use across Europe and Asia.

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Thu Jul 10 22:43:55 2025
    On 10/07/2025 10:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 10/07/2025 09:59, Joe wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:45:33 +0100
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I have moved house and I am having a clear-out. Am I right in thinking
    that *all* legacy cables (eg, serial, parallel, SCART, PS/2 etc) are
    now worthless and responsible recycling is now the only place for
    them?

    Are they WEEE? Can I dump them at Currys :-)

    My local tip, sorry, recycling centre has a bin for cables. And I'm
    typing this on an HP keyboard plugged in on PS/2. My remote temperature
    sensor is plugged into my server on serial, albeit through a USB
    adaptor, both ends being XBees. My backup 19" monitor connects by VGA.
    I still have at least one device that charges through mini USB.

    So it depends on what you do.

    People still do retro computing. Worth ebaying stuff



    I've had TWO ebay Listings on for over six months..... no one has bought
    either of my Thor IXOS gold plated scart cables......

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  • From Indy Jess John@21:1/5 to John R Walliker on Thu Jul 10 23:13:56 2025
    On 10/07/2025 17:21, John R Walliker wrote:
    On 10/07/2025 15:16, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 10/07/2025 11:44, Joe wrote:


    My son in law is having trouble getting hold of GPIB cards for modern
    PCs. He has a large collection of old but perfectly functional test
    equipment, some of it fairly exotic. I've just given him a Tek 465B
    scope.

    I found this one.
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166613635041


    That one uses the PCI bus which is not used in modern PCs.  It needs
    to be PCI-e instead.
    John

    Have you considered a converter?
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166544051608

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to i.love@spam.com on Fri Jul 11 10:27:17 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:42:45 +0100
    SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

    On 10/07/2025 11:59, Davey wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 11:39:41 +0100
    Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    Oh, and SCARTs, they are the work of the Devil

    Never was a truer word spoken. Aren't they French?

    You're thinking of the Peritel standard as that was definately French
    SCART was in fact developed by Sharp for use across Europe and Asia.




    OK. My main complaint with them is the lack of any restraint, and no
    inherent grip, so messing about behind the TV set usually results in a
    loosened SCART plug (or two). The HDMI plugs stay put.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Davey on Fri Jul 11 12:12:15 2025
    On 11/07/2025 10:27, Davey wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:42:45 +0100
    SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:
    On 10/07/2025 11:59, Davey wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 11:39:41 +0100
    Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    Oh, and SCARTs, they are the work of the Devil

    Never was a truer word spoken. Aren't they French?

    You're thinking of the Peritel standard as that was definately French
    SCART was in fact developed by Sharp for use across Europe and Asia.

    OK. My main complaint with them is the lack of any restraint, and no
    inherent grip, so messing about behind the TV set usually results in a loosened SCART plug (or two). The HDMI plugs stay put.

    There's also the way that the SCART socket is completely flat, so it's
    hard to locate the socket.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From David Wade@21:1/5 to Davey on Fri Jul 11 12:58:12 2025
    On 11/07/2025 10:27, Davey wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:42:45 +0100
    SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

    On 10/07/2025 11:59, Davey wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 11:39:41 +0100
    Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    Oh, and SCARTs, they are the work of the Devil

    Never was a truer word spoken. Aren't they French?

    You're thinking of the Peritel standard as that was definately French
    SCART was in fact developed by Sharp for use across Europe and Asia.




    OK. My main complaint with them is the lack of any restraint, and no
    inherent grip, so messing about behind the TV set usually results in a loosened SCART plug (or two). The HDMI plugs stay put.


    On the other hand, I often don't have enough strength in a narrow gab to
    remove an HDMI cable as many need a good squeeze...


    --
    Davey.


    Dave

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to max_demian@bigfoot.com on Sat Jul 12 19:10:51 2025
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 12:12:15 +0100, Max Demian
    <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

    On 11/07/2025 10:27, Davey wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:42:45 +0100
    SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:
    On 10/07/2025 11:59, Davey wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 11:39:41 +0100
    Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    Oh, and SCARTs, they are the work of the Devil

    Never was a truer word spoken. Aren't they French?

    You're thinking of the Peritel standard as that was definately French
    SCART was in fact developed by Sharp for use across Europe and Asia.

    OK. My main complaint with them is the lack of any restraint, and no
    inherent grip, so messing about behind the TV set usually results in a
    loosened SCART plug (or two). The HDMI plugs stay put.

    There's also the way that the SCART socket is completely flat, so it's
    hard to locate the socket.

    I could do it, by running my fingers over the series of holes then my
    finger nail round the outside to find out which way round it was.

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