Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it
would keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP
addresses thus sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
I asked on the PlusNet forum how to clear the cache and was asked if
I had stuck a paper clip in the green hole when turning it on and
off. I hadn't, nor did I roll my left trouser leg to the knee and tie
a pink ribbon round my leg. Anyway that is fixed now.
In the middle of all this my Mattias keyboard started to die, not all
at once, just key by key until I thought I was going round the bend.
I need a new keyboard. I do have 3 x IBM type M and have plugged one
in via an active adaptor, works fine but is large and has no Windows
key.
Any suggestions for a replacement wired USB keyboard, don't want
loads of funny/fancy keys, but definitely want F1 to F12 active at
boot without having to press a second key. The Mattias was nice but
it did suffer key bounce which was a pain so something different.
Suggestions welcome :-)
Just a quick word that I don't think has been mentioned so far: many
modern computers have a USB port marked for keyboard, and the BIOS is
best behaved if it is used accordingly. Possibly this is the port where
the BIOS expects to see a keyboard during BIOS setup. While an OS is
running, any USB port is OK, of course.
https://preview.redd.it/whats-this-keyboard-looking-symbol-next-to-my-ss-usb-port-v0-lanf5yks9nwe1.jpeg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c3d28ba043267fb299653313f0514dc872025037
I need a new keyboard. I do have 3 x IBM type M and have plugged one in
via an active adaptor, works fine but is large and has no Windows key.
Any suggestions for a replacement wired USB keyboard,
Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it would
keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP addresses thus sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
I asked on the PlusNet forum how to clear the cache and was asked if I
had stuck a paper clip in the green hole when turning it on and off. I hadn't, nor did I roll my left trouser leg to the knee and tie a pink
ribbon round my leg. Anyway that is fixed now.
In the middle of all this my Mattias keyboard started to die, not all at once, just key by key until I thought I was going round the bend.
I need a new keyboard. I do have 3 x IBM type M and have plugged one in
via an active adaptor, works fine but is large and has no Windows key.
Any suggestions for a replacement wired USB keyboard, don't want loads
of funny/fancy keys, but definitely want F1 to F12 active at boot
without having to press a second key. The Mattias was nice but it did
suffer key bounce which was a pain so something different.
Suggestions welcome :-)
Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it would
keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP addresses thus sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
I asked on the PlusNet forum how to clear the cache and was asked if I
had stuck a paper clip in the green hole when turning it on and off. I hadn't, nor did I roll my left trouser leg to the knee and tie a pink
ribbon round my leg. Anyway that is fixed now.
On 11/07/2025 15:29, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it would
keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP addresses thus >>sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
Fixed IP addresses are used and set at the PC and not the router. The only >time a router needs to know an IP address is when you use port forwarding.
I asked on the PlusNet forum how to clear the cache and was asked if I
had stuck a paper clip in the green hole when turning it on and off. I >>hadn't, nor did I roll my left trouser leg to the knee and tie a pink >>ribbon round my leg. Anyway that is fixed now.
I think it would help if you explained the issue? You said you swapped
PCs? What was ignoring your fixed IP address and how was that set?
On 11/07/2025 15:29, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I've been fairly happy with my Cherry MX3000 USB..
Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it would
keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP addresses thus >>sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
I asked on the PlusNet forum how to clear the cache and was asked if I
had stuck a paper clip in the green hole when turning it on and off. I >>hadn't, nor did I roll my left trouser leg to the knee and tie a pink >>ribbon round my leg. Anyway that is fixed now.
In the middle of all this my Mattias keyboard started to die, not all at >>once, just key by key until I thought I was going round the bend.
I need a new keyboard. I do have 3 x IBM type M and have plugged one in
via an active adaptor, works fine but is large and has no Windows key.
Any suggestions for a replacement wired USB keyboard, don't want loads of >>funny/fancy keys, but definitely want F1 to F12 active at boot without >>having to press a second key. The Mattias was nice but it did suffer key >>bounce which was a pain so something different.
Suggestions welcome :-)
Cheap it aint...
The router maintains a list of addresses ( there were dozens there) even though it hadn't supplied them, I don't know why.
Before the swap I had:
Gigabyte Z790 JGMAIN 192.168.1.3
Asus Z170-K JGSERVER 192.168.1.6
After the swap:
Gigabyte Z790 JGSERVER 192.168.1.6
Asus Z170-K JGMAIN 192.168.1.3
The router though has the old addresses cached so using RDP to JGMAIN sent
me to JGSERVER and vice versa.
Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
The router maintains a list of addresses ( there were dozens there) even >>though it hadn't supplied them, I don't know why.
Before the swap I had:
Gigabyte Z790 JGMAIN 192.168.1.3
Asus Z170-K JGSERVER 192.168.1.6
After the swap:
Gigabyte Z790 JGSERVER 192.168.1.6
Asus Z170-K JGMAIN 192.168.1.3
The router though has the old addresses cached so using RDP to JGMAIN sent >>me to JGSERVER and vice versa.
This is not unusual. If the devices have pre-existing DHCP leases the
leases will get reissued with the same IP addresses when the router
reboots,
even if the mapping table config has changed. It's only when the leases >expire will they be issued with new IP addresses.
The solution is to turn off both servers and router at the same time, so
that no current leases exist. Then bring everything back again, at which >point you'll only use the updated mapping table.
On 11/07/2025 in message <104rjql$1kkcb$2@dont-email.me> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/07/2025 15:29, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I've been fairly happy with my Cherry MX3000 USB..
Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it
would keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP
addresses thus sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
I asked on the PlusNet forum how to clear the cache and was asked if
I had stuck a paper clip in the green hole when turning it on and
off. I hadn't, nor did I roll my left trouser leg to the knee and tie
a pink ribbon round my leg. Anyway that is fixed now.
In the middle of all this my Mattias keyboard started to die, not all
at once, just key by key until I thought I was going round the bend.
I need a new keyboard. I do have 3 x IBM type M and have plugged one
in via an active adaptor, works fine but is large and has no Windows
key.
Any suggestions for a replacement wired USB keyboard, don't want
loads of funny/fancy keys, but definitely want F1 to F12 active at
boot without having to press a second key. The Mattias was nice but
it did suffer key bounce which was a pain so something different.
Suggestions welcome :-)
Cheap it aint...
I found some hen's teeth :-)
Looks nice, not too different from the Mattias in price, is it clear of
key bounce?
The router wasn't supplying the addresses (they were fixed) but had them
in some sort of cache which persisted between boots.
On 11/07/2025 15:29, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it would
keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP addresses thus
sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
Fixed IP addresses are used and set at the PC and not the router. The
only time a router needs to know an IP address is when you use port forwarding.
What is key bounce?I've been fairly happy with my Cherry MX3000 USB..
Cheap it aint...
I found some hen's teeth :-)
Looks nice, not too different from the Mattias in price, is it clear of
key bounce?
On 11/07/2025 19:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/07/2025 15:29, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it
would keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP
addresses thus sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
Fixed IP addresses are used and set at the PC and not the router. The
only time a router needs to know an IP address is when you use port
forwarding.
Although it is common to use DCHP on your PCs and other devices and have
the router maintain a list of devices and IP addresses, so that each
device gets allocated the same (static) IP address each time.
Effectively just fixing it from the other end.
On 12/07/2025 10:54, SteveW wrote:
On 11/07/2025 19:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/07/2025 15:29, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it
would keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP
addresses thus sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
Fixed IP addresses are used and set at the PC and not the router.
The only time a router needs to know an IP address is when you use
port forwarding.
Usual bollox from fredxx
If a packet comes in from an external source with such and such IP
address on it, how does the router know where to send it?
On 12/07/2025 in message <104t9ik$22i42$8@dont-email.me> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
What is key bounce?I've been fairly happy with my Cherry MX3000 USB..
Cheap it aint...
I found some hen's teeth :-)
Looks nice, not too different from the Mattias in price, is it clear
of key bounce?
Press the key once and it sends a random number of presses to the PC :-)
Usually only one extra but enough to screw up entering a password.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 11:03:55 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 12/07/2025 10:54, SteveW wrote:It will look up the appropriate entry for the incoming source address in
On 11/07/2025 19:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/07/2025 15:29, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it
would keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP
addresses thus sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
Fixed IP addresses are used and set at the PC and not the router.
The only time a router needs to know an IP address is when you use
port forwarding.
Usual bollox from fredxx
If a packet comes in from an external source with such and such IP
address on it, how does the router know where to send it?
its NAT table, which is extremely ephemeral and not manually
configured. It will then use its ARP table, or make an ARP request, to
find the internal machine.
What Fredxx means is that the only IP addresses that need to be
deliberately configured in the router by a human are connected with
port forwarding, 'DMZ' and similar, when DHCP can also be forced to
give the specified addresses to particular computers.
But the typical domestic router needs no manual configuration in most
cases, and a fixed IP address can be configured on the client machine.
It's just usually a better idea to use a DHCP reservation.
On 11/07/2025 15:29, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I've been fairly happy with my Cherry MX3000 USB..
Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it would
keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP addresses thus
sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
I asked on the PlusNet forum how to clear the cache and was asked if I
had stuck a paper clip in the green hole when turning it on and off. I
hadn't, nor did I roll my left trouser leg to the knee and tie a pink
ribbon round my leg. Anyway that is fixed now.
In the middle of all this my Mattias keyboard started to die, not all
at once, just key by key until I thought I was going round the bend.
I need a new keyboard. I do have 3 x IBM type M and have plugged one in
via an active adaptor, works fine but is large and has no Windows key.
Any suggestions for a replacement wired USB keyboard, don't want loads
of funny/fancy keys, but definitely want F1 to F12 active at boot
without having to press a second key. The Mattias was nice but it did
suffer key bounce which was a pain so something different.
Suggestions welcome :-)
Cheap it aint...
I don't use the numpad much, so bought a TKL one
Andy Burns wrote:
I don't use the numpad much, so bought a TKL one
Specifically a Durgod Taurus K320
<https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B08MDDSJCG>
Other layouts and colours available
Gigabyte Z790 JGMAIN 192.168.1.3
Asus Z170-K JGSERVER 192.168.1.6
After the swap:
Gigabyte Z790 JGSERVER 192.168.1.6
Asus Z170-K JGMAIN 192.168.1.3
The router though has the old addresses cached so using RDP to JGMAIN
sent me to JGSERVER and vice versa.
On 11/07/2025 20:46, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Gigabyte Z790 JGMAIN 192.168.1.3
Asus Z170-K JGSERVER 192.168.1.6
After the swap:
Gigabyte Z790 JGSERVER 192.168.1.6
Asus Z170-K JGMAIN 192.168.1.3
The router though has the old addresses cached so using RDP to JGMAIN
sent me to JGSERVER and vice versa.
You just need to flush incorrect entries out of the router's dns host
table, they were placed there by previous DHCP requests which you have disabled for the PCs in question.
Then you need to adjust the size of the DHCP pool, so that your chosen 'static' hard assigned IP addresses are never issued in future by DHCP.
Alternatively, you can reserve these addresses in your router as
infinite leases for the PCs, enable DHCP on the PC interfaces and live
in peace....
BTW Make sure you save the router config in NVRAM, so it don't
disappear on the next power cut....
Has anyone ever written a decent dummies guide to ISP routers and wifi? Sounds like it could be a best seller?
On 11/07/2025 20:46, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Gigabyte Z790 JGMAIN 192.168.1.3
Asus Z170-K JGSERVER 192.168.1.6
After the swap:
Gigabyte Z790 JGSERVER 192.168.1.6
Asus Z170-K JGMAIN 192.168.1.3
The router though has the old addresses cached so using RDP to JGMAIN
sent me to JGSERVER and vice versa.
You just need to flush incorrect entries out of the router's dns host
table, they were placed there by previous DHCP requests which you have >disabled for the PCs in question.
Then you need to adjust the size of the DHCP pool, so that your chosen >'static' hard assigned IP addresses are never issued in future by DHCP.
Alternatively, you can reserve these addresses in your router as infinite >leases for the PCs, enable DHCP on the PC interfaces and live in peace....
BTW Make sure you save the router config in NVRAM, so it don't disappear
on the next power cut....
Has anyone ever written a decent dummies guide to ISP routers and wifi? >Sounds like it could be a best seller?
Andy Burns wrote:
I don't use the numpad much, so bought a TKL one
Specifically a Durgod Taurus K320
<https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B08MDDSJCG>
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in news:mdihbrFgrigU1 @mid.individual.net:
Andy Burns wrote:
I don't use the numpad much, so bought a TKL one
Specifically a Durgod Taurus K320
<https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B08MDDSJCG>
Thanks, I am a num keyp user but it's nice to have a brand recommendation
as I'm due a replacement.
Now all I need is one for a decent mouse, I tried the Accuratus Upright 2
but the wheel action failed in no time due to a cheap and nasty rotary encoder:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008USAM4S
Still looking . . .
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in news:mdihbrFgrigU1 @mid.individual.net:
Andy Burns wrote:
I don't use the numpad much, so bought a TKL one
Specifically a Durgod Taurus K320
<https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B08MDDSJCG>
Thanks, I am a num keyp user but it's nice to have a brand recommendation
as I'm due a replacement.
Now all I need is one for a decent mouse, I tried the Accuratus Upright 2
but the wheel action failed in no time due to a cheap and nasty rotary encoder:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008USAM4S
Still looking . . .
On 2025-07-11, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
I need a new keyboard. I do have 3 x IBM type M and have plugged one
in via an active adaptor, works fine but is large and has no Windows
key.
Any suggestions for a replacement wired USB keyboard,
Lack of WinKey was why my Model Ms are now gathering dust.
Control-Escape does the trick. My model M keyboards drive SWMBO bananas.
She runs away. I don't use them for anything else.
Jeff Gaines wrote:
I need a new keyboard. I do have 3 x IBM type M and have plugged one in
via an active adaptor, works fine but is large and has no Windows key.
Any suggestions for a replacement wired USB keyboard,
Lack of WinKey was why my Model Ms are now gathering dust.
Andy Burns wrote:Ctrl-esc does work to invoke the start menu like Win, unfortunately it
Lack of WinKey was why my Model Ms are now gathering dust.
Control-Escape does the trick.
On 15/07/2025 20:05, fred wrote:
Thanks, I am a num keyp user but it's nice to have a brand
recommendation as I'm due a replacement.
Now all I need is one for a decent mouse, I tried the Accuratus
Upright 2 but the wheel action failed in no time due to a cheap and
nasty rotary encoder:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008USAM4S
Still looking . . .
I prefer the Logitech ERGO series of trackball mice, but it's very
much a matter of personal preference.
I bought the model with an add-on plate which increases the mouse's inclination by an extra 20 degrees - but I still found that
insufficient for my comfort and added another wedge to bring it to a
point where my wrist sits in a comfortable position.
On 11/07/2025 15:29, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I've been fairly happy with my Cherry MX3000 USB..
Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it would
keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP addresses thus >>sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
I asked on the PlusNet forum how to clear the cache and was asked if I
had stuck a paper clip in the green hole when turning it on and off. I >>hadn't, nor did I roll my left trouser leg to the knee and tie a pink >>ribbon round my leg. Anyway that is fixed now.
In the middle of all this my Mattias keyboard started to die, not all at >>once, just key by key until I thought I was going round the bend.
I need a new keyboard. I do have 3 x IBM type M and have plugged one in
via an active adaptor, works fine but is large and has no Windows key.
Any suggestions for a replacement wired USB keyboard, don't want loads of >>funny/fancy keys, but definitely want F1 to F12 active at boot without >>having to press a second key. The Mattias was nice but it did suffer key >>bounce which was a pain so something different.
Suggestions welcome :-)
Cheap it aint...
On 11/07/2025 in message <104rjql$1kkcb$2@dont-email.me> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/07/2025 15:29, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I've been fairly happy with my Cherry MX3000 USB..
Nightmare day today, having swapped 2 x PCs my router decided it
would keep part of the old information and ignore my fixed IP
addresses thus sending me to the wrong PC using remote desktop.
I asked on the PlusNet forum how to clear the cache and was asked if
I had stuck a paper clip in the green hole when turning it on and
off. I hadn't, nor did I roll my left trouser leg to the knee and tie
a pink ribbon round my leg. Anyway that is fixed now.
In the middle of all this my Mattias keyboard started to die, not all
at once, just key by key until I thought I was going round the bend.
I need a new keyboard. I do have 3 x IBM type M and have plugged one
in via an active adaptor, works fine but is large and has no Windows
key.
Any suggestions for a replacement wired USB keyboard, don't want
loads of funny/fancy keys, but definitely want F1 to F12 active at
boot without having to press a second key. The Mattias was nice but
it did suffer key bounce which was a pain so something different.
Suggestions welcome :-)
Cheap it aint...
This has just arrived:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/167385662374
It seems to be genuine but is cheaper than many others so don't know how genuine it is, paperwork looks OK.
Works OK and feels nice.
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