• Portable aircon, fixed wall vent?

    From David@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 12 11:42:35 2025
    I am encountering a reluctance to have velcro on the outside of the
    casement window as it is unsightly when the window vent isn't fitted
    (which will be most of the year).

    Has anyone fitted a wall vent to connect to the ducting at the back of the aircon?

    Big hole in the wall, don't think I have a hole saw that big.

    Cheers



    Dave R



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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to David on Sat Jul 12 13:17:15 2025
    On 12/07/2025 12:42, David wrote:
    I am encountering a reluctance to have velcro on the outside of the
    casement window as it is unsightly when the window vent isn't fitted
    (which will be most of the year).

    Has anyone fitted a wall vent to connect to the ducting at the back of the aircon?

    Big hole in the wall, don't think I have a hole saw that big.

    Rent one

    Cheers



    Dave R




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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to David on Sat Jul 12 13:22:21 2025
    On 12/07/2025 12:42, David wrote:
    I am encountering a reluctance to have velcro on the outside of the
    casement window as it is unsightly when the window vent isn't fitted
    (which will be most of the year).

    Has anyone fitted a wall vent to connect to the ducting at the back of the aircon?

    Big hole in the wall, don't think I have a hole saw that big.

    Cheers

    Put the velcro on the inside "like what I have done" (to paraphrase
    Morecambe and Wise). White velcro on white PVC is not obviously visible, particularly behind a net curtain. You don't need full lengths - I fix
    my polycarb panel to the frame with a dozen 2cm square pieces.

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  • From David@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Sat Jul 12 13:24:39 2025
    On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 13:17:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 12/07/2025 12:42, David wrote:
    I am encountering a reluctance to have velcro on the outside of the
    casement window as it is unsightly when the window vent isn't fitted
    (which will be most of the year).

    Has anyone fitted a wall vent to connect to the ducting at the back of
    the aircon?

    Big hole in the wall, don't think I have a hole saw that big.

    Rent one

    What, a through wall vent?

    How would that work?

    Alternatively if you are suggesting that I rent a portable aircon unit,
    that still leave me with the problem of venting it to the outside.

    More information would be helpful.

    Cheers



    Dave R


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  • From David@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Jul 12 13:25:19 2025
    On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 13:22:21 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 12/07/2025 12:42, David wrote:
    I am encountering a reluctance to have velcro on the outside of the
    casement window as it is unsightly when the window vent isn't fitted
    (which will be most of the year).

    Has anyone fitted a wall vent to connect to the ducting at the back of
    the aircon?

    Big hole in the wall, don't think I have a hole saw that big.

    Cheers

    Put the velcro on the inside "like what I have done" (to paraphrase
    Morecambe and Wise). White velcro on white PVC is not obviously visible, particularly behind a net curtain. You don't need full lengths - I fix
    my polycarb panel to the frame with a dozen 2cm square pieces.

    Interesting.
    Will give that a go.

    Thanks



    Dave R


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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Jul 12 14:51:08 2025
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 12/07/2025 12:42, David wrote:
    I am encountering a reluctance to have velcro on the outside of the casement window as it is unsightly when the window vent isn't fitted
    (which will be most of the year).

    Has anyone fitted a wall vent to connect to the ducting at the back of the aircon?

    Big hole in the wall, don't think I have a hole saw that big.

    I wouldn't do that, it'll be a big source of cold in the winter. Even if
    you block it up it won't be as well sealed as the existing wall.

    Cheers

    Put the velcro on the inside "like what I have done" (to paraphrase
    Morecambe and Wise). White velcro on white PVC is not obviously visible, particularly behind a net curtain. You don't need full lengths - I fix
    my polycarb panel to the frame with a dozen 2cm square pieces.

    I would use full lengths so you get a good seal, otherwise those gaps will
    be how the AC unit is pulling back your recently-heated air back into the
    room.

    Make a fake window pane out of thin perspex with a hole for the hose and it works as a window too.

    A slightly more serious option would be to get a double glazed sealed unit
    and ask a glazing firm to cut a 'cat flap hole' of an appropriate dimension (the supplier will probably be able to do this). Then swap it for the
    sealed unit in your window for the summer and swap back the original one for the winter. Assuming you can get at the beading easily to remove the panel.

    Theo

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to David on Sat Jul 12 15:24:19 2025
    David wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 13:17:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 12/07/2025 12:42, David wrote:
    I am encountering a reluctance to have velcro on the outside of the
    casement window as it is unsightly when the window vent isn't fitted
    (which will be most of the year).

    Has anyone fitted a wall vent to connect to the ducting at the back of
    the aircon?

    Big hole in the wall, don't think I have a hole saw that big.

    Rent one

    What, a through wall vent?

    I think he meant rent a GBFO hole-saw

    How would that work?

    Alternatively if you are suggesting that I rent a portable aircon unit,
    that still leave me with the problem of venting it to the outside.

    More information would be helpful.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to David on Sat Jul 12 15:25:40 2025
    On 12/07/2025 14:24, David wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 13:17:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 12/07/2025 12:42, David wrote:
    I am encountering a reluctance to have velcro on the outside of the
    casement window as it is unsightly when the window vent isn't fitted
    (which will be most of the year).

    Has anyone fitted a wall vent to connect to the ducting at the back of
    the aircon?

    Big hole in the wall, don't think I have a hole saw that big.

    Rent one

    What, a through wall vent?

    No. A sodding big hole saw


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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Theo on Sat Jul 12 17:27:47 2025
    On 12/07/2025 14:51, Theo wrote:
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 12/07/2025 12:42, David wrote:
    I am encountering a reluctance to have velcro on the outside of the
    casement window as it is unsightly when the window vent isn't fitted
    (which will be most of the year).

    Has anyone fitted a wall vent to connect to the ducting at the back of the >>> aircon?

    Big hole in the wall, don't think I have a hole saw that big.

    I wouldn't do that, it'll be a big source of cold in the winter. Even if
    you block it up it won't be as well sealed as the existing wall.

    Cheers

    Put the velcro on the inside "like what I have done" (to paraphrase
    Morecambe and Wise). White velcro on white PVC is not obviously visible,
    particularly behind a net curtain. You don't need full lengths - I fix
    my polycarb panel to the frame with a dozen 2cm square pieces.

    I would use full lengths so you get a good seal, otherwise those gaps will
    be how the AC unit is pulling back your recently-heated air back into the room.

    The gap is minute in comparison to the air which will come in under the
    door to replace that vented by the a/c unit. If you wanted to fill the
    gap it would be better to use some foam-backed adhesive tape. It is bad
    enough trying to pull the polycarb sheet away from the small amount of
    velcro I use - trying to pull the sheet away from more than 300cm of
    velcro would be very difficult!

    Make a fake window pane out of thin perspex with a hole for the hose and it works as a window too.

    But not as effective as insulating as twin-walled polycarb. The sheet
    material I used is fairly transparent.

    A slightly more serious option would be to get a double glazed sealed unit and ask a glazing firm to cut a 'cat flap hole' of an appropriate dimension (the supplier will probably be able to do this). Then swap it for the
    sealed unit in your window for the summer and swap back the original one for the winter. Assuming you can get at the beading easily to remove the panel.

    How easy is it to remove the moving part of the casement window and
    replace it with the vented one? Or did you mean replacing the inner unit
    in the same way as might be necessary if it had "blown" and started to
    get condensation inside?

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Jul 12 22:16:16 2025
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 12/07/2025 14:51, Theo wrote:

    I would use full lengths so you get a good seal, otherwise those gaps will be how the AC unit is pulling back your recently-heated air back into the room.

    The gap is minute in comparison to the air which will come in under the
    door to replace that vented by the a/c unit. If you wanted to fill the
    gap it would be better to use some foam-backed adhesive tape. It is bad enough trying to pull the polycarb sheet away from the small amount of
    velcro I use - trying to pull the sheet away from more than 300cm of
    velcro would be very difficult!

    I did a full seal with a sheet of 2mm acrylic, it was fine to remove. I'd
    have thought anything with a small amount of flex in it would be ok. You
    can always slide something in the gap if you want.

    Make a fake window pane out of thin perspex with a hole for the hose and it works as a window too.

    But not as effective as insulating as twin-walled polycarb. The sheet material I used is fairly transparent.

    Acrylic is clear like glazing, so you can use it as a glass replacement. A sheet of cast polycarb would be similar.

    If you're actively pulling uncooled air into the room I don't think the insulation value is going to matter. I suppose it might make a small difference when the AC unit is off.

    A slightly more serious option would be to get a double glazed sealed unit and ask a glazing firm to cut a 'cat flap hole' of an appropriate dimension (the supplier will probably be able to do this). Then swap it for the sealed unit in your window for the summer and swap back the original one for
    the winter. Assuming you can get at the beading easily to remove the panel.

    How easy is it to remove the moving part of the casement window and
    replace it with the vented one? Or did you mean replacing the inner unit
    in the same way as might be necessary if it had "blown" and started to
    get condensation inside?

    The latter. Just swap the glazed unit, not the moving frame.

    Theo

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  • From Colin Macleod@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 15 13:58:53 2025
    David <wibble@btinternet.com> posted:

    I am encountering a reluctance to have velcro on the outside of the
    casement window as it is unsightly when the window vent isn't fitted
    (which will be most of the year).

    Has anyone fitted a wall vent to connect to the ducting at the back of the aircon?

    I was in a similar situation, but since I'm in a top-floor flat with a loft above I made a substitute loft hatch with a six-inch round hole and fed the aircon hose through that so that it blows out into the loft space. This works quite well. I do have a plan to extend the run inside the loft so it blows
    out through the gap at the eaves, but haven't quite got round to doing that yet.

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    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.

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