• How to make curved corners in H-section (ali, steel, PVC)

    From Chris Green@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 13 07:53:43 2025
    I'm trying to come up with practical ways of mounting sheets of
    laminated glass in steel panels. These are mostly in the 80cm by 60cm
    sort of area but aren't exactly square and have curved corners, 5cm to
    10cm radius.

    The ideal 'easy' way to mount them would be 'h' section (yes, lower
    case h) with the glass fitted into the bottom of the h and the top of
    the h having holes at intervals to screw to the metalwork.

    The difficult bit is making curved h section material. The best idea
    I have come up with so far is to get full H section PVC, remove one of
    the 'legs' and then bodge the curved corners by various means. However
    this would be laborious, time consuming and probably not very beautiful.

    I've also tried heating the PVC but the corners are too sharp for this
    to be really successful.

    My current solution consists of two strips of PVC cut from large
    sheets of 2mm or 3mm PVC with screws pulling the two strips together
    but it doesn't look particularly good and isn't easy to make watertight.

    Are there any metalworkers who could do this in aluminium? Two pieces
    to slide onto the glass from opposite sides.

    Replacement glass with square corners isn't particularly expensive so
    one could come up with a solution where the glass overlaps the
    existing hole. The moment you add holes in the glass and/or curved
    corners though it gets very expensive.

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  • From Tricky Dicky@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sun Jul 13 09:10:06 2025
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    I'm trying to come up with practical ways of mounting sheets of
    laminated glass in steel panels. These are mostly in the 80cm by 60cm
    sort of area but aren't exactly square and have curved corners, 5cm to
    10cm radius.

    The ideal 'easy' way to mount them would be 'h' section (yes, lower
    case h) with the glass fitted into the bottom of the h and the top of
    the h having holes at intervals to screw to the metalwork.

    The difficult bit is making curved h section material. The best idea
    I have come up with so far is to get full H section PVC, remove one of
    the 'legs' and then bodge the curved corners by various means. However
    this would be laborious, time consuming and probably not very beautiful.

    I've also tried heating the PVC but the corners are too sharp for this
    to be really successful.

    My current solution consists of two strips of PVC cut from large
    sheets of 2mm or 3mm PVC with screws pulling the two strips together
    but it doesn't look particularly good and isn't easy to make watertight.

    Are there any metalworkers who could do this in aluminium? Two pieces
    to slide onto the glass from opposite sides.

    Replacement glass with square corners isn't particularly expensive so
    one could come up with a solution where the glass overlaps the
    existing hole. The moment you add holes in the glass and/or curved
    corners though it gets very expensive.


    I suspect Ali is going to be the most appropriate being the most ductile of
    the metals. You are going to have to knock up a bending machine ideally something like a pipe bender but you might be able to make something
    simpler with a bending arm with two rollers set apart slightly wider than
    the the thickness of the metal to be bent with the dimension from the edge
    of the inner roller to the pivot point approx. The radius you require. The inner roller would have to be able to fit inside the channel of the “h” section. If you cannot get suitable bearings for the rollers or do not have
    a lathe to machine suitable rollers then perhaps stacked washers might do.
    This will have to be mounted on some base plate with a stop for the “h” section to bear against.

    Any Ali extrusion you get will be pretty well stressed so will need to be annealed before bending. The annealing temperature is quite low. Rub a bar
    of soap on the area to bend and heat up with a torch till the soap goes
    brown do not quench but allow it to cool naturally. Ali will work harden
    quite quickly so you may have to anneal each bend a few times also there
    will be some pull through during the bending so a bit of experimenting on
    spare material will establish how much annealing is needed and what to
    allow for pull through.

    I cannot say for certain it would work but faced with your your situation
    the above would be my approach to the problem.

    Richard

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  • From No mail@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sun Jul 13 10:33:15 2025
    Chris Green wrote:
    I'm trying to come up with practical ways of mounting sheets of
    laminated glass in steel panels. These are mostly in the 80cm by 60cm
    sort of area but aren't exactly square and have curved corners, 5cm to
    10cm radius.

    The ideal 'easy' way to mount them would be 'h' section (yes, lower
    case h) with the glass fitted into the bottom of the h and the top of
    the h having holes at intervals to screw to the metalwork.

    The difficult bit is making curved h section material. The best idea
    I have come up with so far is to get full H section PVC, remove one of
    the 'legs' and then bodge the curved corners by various means. However
    this would be laborious, time consuming and probably not very beautiful.

    I've also tried heating the PVC but the corners are too sharp for this
    to be really successful.

    My current solution consists of two strips of PVC cut from large
    sheets of 2mm or 3mm PVC with screws pulling the two strips together
    but it doesn't look particularly good and isn't easy to make watertight.

    Are there any metalworkers who could do this in aluminium? Two pieces
    to slide onto the glass from opposite sides.

    Replacement glass with square corners isn't particularly expensive so
    one could come up with a solution where the glass overlaps the
    existing hole. The moment you add holes in the glass and/or curved
    corners though it gets very expensive.

    - Square corners and overlapping the hole is obviously the simplest, and probably the most watertight.
    - Bending (as described by Richard) might work, but annealing will
    change the appearance. Probably best to go to a metal fabricator.
    - Search for "aluminium curved corner joint" to see whether you can find
    or adapt anything.
    - Make a laminated assembly from sheet aluminium

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sun Jul 13 12:10:21 2025
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    I'm trying to come up with practical ways of mounting sheets of
    laminated glass in steel panels. These are mostly in the 80cm by 60cm
    sort of area but aren't exactly square and have curved corners, 5cm to
    10cm radius.

    Does it need to be a continuous piece? I'm thinking of something along the lines of drainpipe sections, where you slot straight pieces into 90-ish degree bend pieces.

    It wouldn't be hard to 3D print corner pieces - cheapest is in some kind of plastic but printing services can produce metal too. Then just use existing aluminium or PVC section for the straight pieces. If you did them in
    plastic you could make the corners a feature, or just paint everything to match. You could design something to hide square corners, perhaps by overlaying a smoother or more ornate corner motif, and each corner can be
    for a custom angle to fit a specific spot.

    Theo

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  • From Simon Simple@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sun Jul 13 12:51:16 2025
    On 13/07/2025 07:53, Chris Green wrote:
    I'm trying to come up with practical ways of mounting sheets of
    laminated glass in steel panels. These are mostly in the 80cm by 60cm
    sort of area but aren't exactly square and have curved corners, 5cm to
    10cm radius.

    The ideal 'easy' way to mount them would be 'h' section (yes, lower
    case h) with the glass fitted into the bottom of the h and the top of
    the h having holes at intervals to screw to the metalwork.

    The difficult bit is making curved h section material. The best idea
    I have come up with so far is to get full H section PVC, remove one of
    the 'legs' and then bodge the curved corners by various means. However
    this would be laborious, time consuming and probably not very beautiful.

    I've also tried heating the PVC but the corners are too sharp for this
    to be really successful.

    My current solution consists of two strips of PVC cut from large
    sheets of 2mm or 3mm PVC with screws pulling the two strips together
    but it doesn't look particularly good and isn't easy to make watertight.

    Are there any metalworkers who could do this in aluminium? Two pieces
    to slide onto the glass from opposite sides.

    Replacement glass with square corners isn't particularly expensive so
    one could come up with a solution where the glass overlaps the
    existing hole. The moment you add holes in the glass and/or curved
    corners though it gets very expensive.

    Would rubber work, eg...

    https://www.par-direct.co.uk/products/SEXH

    ...and many others. Might not be man enough. Another way might be
    aluminium, slotted and shaped with a hacksaw and file, bent, then the
    gaps filled with Aluminium solder and dressed.

    To my surprise, I've found aluminium solder quite easy to use using a
    small blowtorch.

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    SS

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Dicky on Sun Jul 13 13:23:57 2025
    Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    I'm trying to come up with practical ways of mounting sheets of
    laminated glass in steel panels. These are mostly in the 80cm by 60cm
    sort of area but aren't exactly square and have curved corners, 5cm to
    10cm radius.

    The ideal 'easy' way to mount them would be 'h' section (yes, lower
    case h) with the glass fitted into the bottom of the h and the top of
    the h having holes at intervals to screw to the metalwork.

    The difficult bit is making curved h section material. The best idea
    I have come up with so far is to get full H section PVC, remove one of
    the 'legs' and then bodge the curved corners by various means. However
    this would be laborious, time consuming and probably not very beautiful.

    I've also tried heating the PVC but the corners are too sharp for this
    to be really successful.

    My current solution consists of two strips of PVC cut from large
    sheets of 2mm or 3mm PVC with screws pulling the two strips together
    but it doesn't look particularly good and isn't easy to make watertight.

    Are there any metalworkers who could do this in aluminium? Two pieces
    to slide onto the glass from opposite sides.

    Replacement glass with square corners isn't particularly expensive so
    one could come up with a solution where the glass overlaps the
    existing hole. The moment you add holes in the glass and/or curved
    corners though it gets very expensive.


    I suspect Ali is going to be the most appropriate being the most ductile of the metals. You are going to have to knock up a bending machine ideally something like a pipe bender but you might be able to make something
    simpler with a bending arm with two rollers set apart slightly wider than
    the the thickness of the metal to be bent with the dimension from the edge
    of the inner roller to the pivot point approx. The radius you require. The inner roller would have to be able to fit inside the channel of the “h” section. If you cannot get suitable bearings for the rollers or do not have
    a lathe to machine suitable rollers then perhaps stacked washers might do. This will have to be mounted on some base plate with a stop for the “h” section to bear against.

    Any Ali extrusion you get will be pretty well stressed so will need to be annealed before bending. The annealing temperature is quite low. Rub a bar
    of soap on the area to bend and heat up with a torch till the soap goes
    brown do not quench but allow it to cool naturally. Ali will work harden quite quickly so you may have to anneal each bend a few times also there
    will be some pull through during the bending so a bit of experimenting on spare material will establish how much annealing is needed and what to
    allow for pull through.

    I cannot say for certain it would work but faced with your your situation
    the above would be my approach to the problem.

    Thanks Richard. That sounds like quite a lot of learning and hard
    work. :-) However it is quite a long term project so it might make
    sense. Thanks for all the details anyway.

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Simon Simple on Sun Jul 13 13:31:40 2025
    Simon Simple <SS@nonononono.co.uk> wrote:
    On 13/07/2025 07:53, Chris Green wrote:
    I'm trying to come up with practical ways of mounting sheets of
    laminated glass in steel panels. These are mostly in the 80cm by 60cm
    sort of area but aren't exactly square and have curved corners, 5cm to
    10cm radius.

    The ideal 'easy' way to mount them would be 'h' section (yes, lower
    case h) with the glass fitted into the bottom of the h and the top of
    the h having holes at intervals to screw to the metalwork.

    The difficult bit is making curved h section material. The best idea
    I have come up with so far is to get full H section PVC, remove one of
    the 'legs' and then bodge the curved corners by various means. However
    this would be laborious, time consuming and probably not very beautiful.

    I've also tried heating the PVC but the corners are too sharp for this
    to be really successful.

    My current solution consists of two strips of PVC cut from large
    sheets of 2mm or 3mm PVC with screws pulling the two strips together
    but it doesn't look particularly good and isn't easy to make watertight.

    Are there any metalworkers who could do this in aluminium? Two pieces
    to slide onto the glass from opposite sides.

    Replacement glass with square corners isn't particularly expensive so
    one could come up with a solution where the glass overlaps the
    existing hole. The moment you add holes in the glass and/or curved
    corners though it gets very expensive.

    Would rubber work, eg...

    https://www.par-direct.co.uk/products/SEXH

    Yes, but have you seen the price of silicone extrusions?! It would
    cost over £100 per window and I have eight to deal with.

    ...and many others. Might not be man enough. Another way might be aluminium, slotted and shaped with a hacksaw and file, bent, then the
    gaps filled with Aluminium solder and dressed.

    To my surprise, I've found aluminium solder quite easy to use using a
    small blowtorch.

    Another approach with aluminium. I think I'll do some searching for
    aluminium extrusions to see what I can find.

    Thanks all.

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  • From Timatmarford@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sun Jul 13 14:16:59 2025
    On 13/07/2025 13:31, Chris Green wrote:
    Simon Simple <SS@nonononono.co.uk> wrote:

    Snip

    ...and many others. Might not be man enough. Another way might be
    aluminium, slotted and shaped with a hacksaw and file, bent, then the
    gaps filled with Aluminium solder and dressed.

    To my surprise, I've found aluminium solder quite easy to use using a
    small blowtorch.

    Another approach with aluminium. I think I'll do some searching for aluminium extrusions to see what I can find.

    Have a look at garden greenhouse suppliers. Lots of window
    frames/glazing bars etc. Cheap:-)

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  • From Thomas Prufer@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Mon Jul 14 08:29:01 2025
    On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 07:53:43 +0100, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    I'm trying to come up with practical ways of mounting sheets of
    laminated glass in steel panels. These are mostly in the 80cm by 60cm
    sort of area but aren't exactly square and have curved corners, 5cm to
    10cm radius.

    The ideal 'easy' way to mount them would be 'h' section (yes, lower
    case h) with the glass fitted into the bottom of the h and the top of
    the h having holes at intervals to screw to the metalwork.

    The difficult bit is making curved h section material. The best idea
    I have come up with so far is to get full H section PVC, remove one of
    the 'legs' and then bodge the curved corners by various means. However
    this would be laborious, time consuming and probably not very beautiful.

    I've also tried heating the PVC but the corners are too sharp for this
    to be really successful.

    How did you heat the PVC? just sorta got it warm, or stuck it in water (sand, oil,...) with a bit more even and higher heat?

    My current solution consists of two strips of PVC cut from large
    sheets of 2mm or 3mm PVC with screws pulling the two strips together
    but it doesn't look particularly good and isn't easy to make watertight.

    Are there any metalworkers who could do this in aluminium? Two pieces
    to slide onto the glass from opposite sides.

    Yes. I worked at a fabricators where the had a machine for bending profiles: three rollers with clearance grooves for the profile bits.

    You'd be better off doing four bits, and cutting the legs to length. Manually bending to exact measure is tricky. An CNC bender will get right, but will be more expensive.

    Replacement glass with square corners isn't particularly expensive so
    one could come up with a solution where the glass overlaps the
    existing hole. The moment you add holes in the glass and/or curved
    corners though it gets very expensive.

    Might actually be the cheapest: Square glass, square frame, new holes in the corners?

    Or find a rubber h-profile that's strong to screw down?


    Thomas Prufer

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