I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.


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On 25/07/2025 15:58, AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

Plus a wooden prop, presumably in view, a constant reminder to get a replacement.

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On 25/07/2025 15:58, AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

Try and force it INTO the crack


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On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 14:58:47 GMT, nospam@please.invalid (AnthonyL)
wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better >suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

If it were me, I'd slather the crack with rapid araldite, both inside
and out, making sure the surfaces are completely dry of course.

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On 25/07/2025 15:58, AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

Before doing anything else, I'd try and work some very thin, runny
superglue (cyanoacrylate) into the crack.

Then anything waterproof over the top.

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On 2025-07-25 15:58, AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

Any liklihood that the crack will propagate to somewhere more
structural? Or is it just sealing required?

nib

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On 26/07/2025 13:43, No mail wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty.  Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack?  Any better
suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

You need Captain Tolley's - great stuff for exactly the problem you have: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Captain-Tolleys-Creeping-Crack-sealer/dp/B003T6EJ9A

Interesting product - never heard of that. Filed for later use.

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AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

You need Captain Tolley's - great stuff for exactly the problem you have: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Captain-Tolleys-Creeping-Crack-sealer/dp/B003T6EJ9A

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 13:03:53 +0100, nib <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk>
wrote:

On 2025-07-25 15:58, AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better
suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

Any liklihood that the crack will propagate to somewhere more
structural? Or is it just sealing required?

nib

Fracture mechanics has it that the stress at a crack tip is almost
infinitely high. It's inversely proportional to the radius of the
crack tip, which approaches zero.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=stress+at+crack+tip

In a similar situation (a large decorative ceramic pot with a crack
across the base), I got the finest glass/ceramic drill I could find
(about 1mm IIRC) and very carefully drilled out each end of the crack
to give a little hole right through. This massively increases the
radius of the crack tip and reduces the stress accordingly.

But if the toilet is going to be replaced within a year, I wouldn't
bother!

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Chris

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 26/07/2025 13:43, No mail wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty.  Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack?  Any better
suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

You need Captain Tolley's - great stuff for exactly the problem you have:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Captain-Tolleys-Creeping-Crack-sealer/dp/B003T6EJ9A >>

Interesting product - never heard of that. Filed for later use.

I think someone here recommended it when I asked about a similar problem
- maybe 5-6 years ago. I used it on a cracked cloakroom washbasin (we
inherited the crack with the house) and the washbasin is still going
strong and waiting for the decorating tuit for that room to reach the
top of the list.

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 13:43:21 +0100, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better
suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

You need Captain Tolley's - great stuff for exactly the problem you have: >https://www.amazon.co.uk/Captain-Tolleys-Creeping-Crack-sealer/dp/B003T6EJ9A

Thanks, before I read your post I had smeared some araldite on the
inside only as I was reluctant to take the cistern off.

However I think I've made an error with trying to shortcut things and
using the same seals, ie the one at the bottom of the syphon and the
doughnut seal where the cistern sits on the bowl and I think water is
seeping there.

So the good news is that the original problem:

Subject: Toilet flush panic - visitors tomorrw
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:16:38 GMT

has been fixed. Just replaced the torn plastic "floor" to the lifting
chamber with a similar thickness piece of plastic.

The bad news is the crack and the seeping. I guess I'm going to have
to take it all apart again and get new seals unless anyone here has a
clever answer.

What I don't know is how tight either joint should be fastened so I
don't know whether I've gone too tight or not tight enough.



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On 26/07/2025 13:03, nib wrote:

On 2025-07-25 15:58, AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty.  Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack?  Any better
suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

Any liklihood that the crack will propagate to somewhere more
structural? Or is it just sealing required?

That was my thought. When the cistern is screwed back to the wall the
crack may just propagate further. The usual way of stopping this is to
drill a small hole at the end of the crack before filling.

Probably some silicone sealant on the inside will do. Fill the drill
hole and a surface smear up the crack.



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AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

Unless you are 110% sure it isn’t going to ‘drop’ or otherwise move, causing the crack to spread, and cistern to fall apart, I’d replace it or
fit a isolation valve with a lever and sign to remind people to close it.

Our neighbour had a failure in a toilet cistern while they were away. We
saw water from the overflow but couldn’t contact them. I tried to turn off the outside stopcock, it was stuck. Eventually a plumber managed to do it.
The water damage was unbelievable. They were living in a hotel for months
while repairs were made.

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On 26/07/2025 20:42, AnthonyL wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 13:43:21 +0100, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better
suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

You need Captain Tolley's - great stuff for exactly the problem you have:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Captain-Tolleys-Creeping-Crack-sealer/dp/B003T6EJ9A

Thanks, before I read your post I had smeared some araldite on the
inside only as I was reluctant to take the cistern off.

However I think I've made an error with trying to shortcut things and
using the same seals, ie the one at the bottom of the syphon and the
doughnut seal where the cistern sits on the bowl and I think water is
seeping there.

So the good news is that the original problem:

Subject: Toilet flush panic - visitors tomorrw
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:16:38 GMT

has been fixed. Just replaced the torn plastic "floor" to the lifting chamber with a similar thickness piece of plastic.

The bad news is the crack and the seeping. I guess I'm going to have
to take it all apart again and get new seals unless anyone here has a
clever answer.

What I don't know is how tight either joint should be fastened so I
don't know whether I've gone too tight or not tight enough.

A good trick is to use 'sanitary silicone sealer' and then while not set
screw the fitting down till it squidges out everywhere, then leave to
set and tighten down on the silicone gasket you have just created.




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name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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On 27 Jul 2025 at 13:19:18 BST, AnthonyL wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 13:43:21 +0100, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better
suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

You need Captain Tolley's - great stuff for exactly the problem you have:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Captain-Tolleys-Creeping-Crack-sealer/dp/B003T6EJ9A

Seems to be just the fix I'm looking for an have ordered some, though
I prefer to buy from Ebay.

Cheaper in larger amounts direct:

https://captaintolleyshop.com/collections/oursizes
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 13:43:21 +0100, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better
suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

You need Captain Tolley's - great stuff for exactly the problem you have: >https://www.amazon.co.uk/Captain-Tolleys-Creeping-Crack-sealer/dp/B003T6EJ9A

Seems to be just the fix I'm looking for an have ordered some, though
I prefer to buy from Ebay.

I had used some araldite on the inside only but after seeing water on
the floor I've taken the cistern off, put it over a sink, filled it up
and observed best I can. The crack is more extensive than I though
when I see it from the outside and hopefully Captain Tolley will come
to the rescue.

Also having seen videos of the doughnut I think that trying to resuse
the old one might be a mistake though of course if the toilet is not
being flushed then that can't be the cause of any seepage.


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Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 12:36:48 -0000 (UTC), RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
wrote:

On 27 Jul 2025 at 13:19:18 BST, AnthonyL wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 13:43:21 +0100, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:

I was gently (I thought) re-attaching the close-coupled cistern
(porcelain?) to the wall when "crack", from the fixing hole to just
below the overflow level.

For other reasons I recently bought some milliput epoxy putty. Any
reason why I shouldn't smear a bit of this over the crack? Any better >>>> suggestions?

Toilet is likely to be replaced within the next year.

You need Captain Tolley's - great stuff for exactly the problem you have: >>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Captain-Tolleys-Creeping-Crack-sealer/dp/B003T6EJ9A

Seems to be just the fix I'm looking for an have ordered some, though
I prefer to buy from Ebay.

Cheaper in larger amounts direct:

https://captaintolleyshop.com/collections/oursizes

Indeed and already noted but I'm hoping 60ml will be sufficient for
the one crack of a cistern that I'm intending will be my last such
issue seeing as I've managed to my age without needing it before.


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AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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