A week a ago I ordered something. Value couple of hundred.
I got an email acknowledging receipt of order. That was the last I heard
of it from the company.

a n hour or so I decided to check and see what had happened, and theis
website showed me that te order had been given to Evri, with a tracking
number. No email had been sent

Evris website said it had in fact been delivered *two hours or so
earlier* with a photo of it in the road verge *outside* my house.

Of course when I went to look, it wasn't there.

Evri driver didn't bring it into my property.
Evri driver didn't ring my doorbell.
Evri driver lied about where they put it.
Evri driver didn't text me/
Evri driver didn't email me.
Did some random person come along a quite country road on a saturday
afternoon and steal it?

Unlikely.

Evri driver did.

Beware.


--
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:49:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

A week a ago I ordered something. Value couple of hundred.
I got an email acknowledging receipt of order. That was the last I heard
of it from the company.

a n hour or so I decided to check and see what had happened, and theis website showed me that te order had been given to Evri, with a tracking number. No email had been sent

Evris website said it had in fact been delivered *two hours or so
earlier* with a photo of it in the road verge *outside* my house.

Of course when I went to look, it wasn't there.

Evri driver didn't bring it into my property.
Evri driver didn't ring my doorbell.
Evri driver lied about where they put it.
Evri driver didn't text me/
Evri driver didn't email me.
Did some random person come along a quite country road on a saturday afternoon and steal it?

Unlikely.

Evri driver did.

Beware.

Whilst Occams razor supports that, it does raise the question about what
Evris role in all this is ? Especially since it's unlikely they employ
the driver ?

Drivers wouldn't steal if they knew they'd only have one shot until the
courier stopped hiring them ?

In the absence of documentary proof (e.g. a video) is it not as likely
someone* was tailing the driver, looking for the opportunity ?

*Who may or may not be working in concert with a driver who suggests
likely looking deliveries. Which then rather removes the need to tail the
van ?

The only thing you can do is order with a credit card and invoke S75.
Although some debit card providers are quite helpful with recharging.

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:49:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

A week a ago I ordered something. Value couple of hundred.
I got an email acknowledging receipt of order. That was the last I heard
of it from the company.

a n hour or so I decided to check and see what had happened, and theis website showed me that te order had been given to Evri, with a tracking number. No email had been sent

Evris website said it had in fact been delivered *two hours or so
earlier* with a photo of it in the road verge *outside* my house.

Of course when I went to look, it wasn't there.

Evri driver didn't bring it into my property.
Evri driver didn't ring my doorbell.
Evri driver lied about where they put it.
Evri driver didn't text me/
Evri driver didn't email me.
Did some random person come along a quite country road on a saturday afternoon and steal it?

Unlikely.

Evri driver did.

Beware.

Tell the supplier that it was not delivered, their responsibility.

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On 26/07/2025 18:14, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:49:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

A week a ago I ordered something. Value couple of hundred.
I got an email acknowledging receipt of order. That was the last I heard
of it from the company.

a n hour or so I decided to check and see what had happened, and theis
website showed me that te order had been given to Evri, with a tracking
number. No email had been sent

Evris website said it had in fact been delivered *two hours or so
earlier* with a photo of it in the road verge *outside* my house.

Of course when I went to look, it wasn't there.

Evri driver didn't bring it into my property.
Evri driver didn't ring my doorbell.
Evri driver lied about where they put it.
Evri driver didn't text me/
Evri driver didn't email me.
Did some random person come along a quite country road on a saturday
afternoon and steal it?

Unlikely.

Evri driver did.

Beware.

Whilst Occams razor supports that, it does raise the question about what Evris role in all this is ? Especially since it's unlikely they employ
the driver ?

The balance of evidence is that the driver did it - he set up the
minimum context for plausible deniability whilst deliberately failing to
inform me.

Evris responsibility is to the company supplying the goods is to
deliver the parcel into my hands, They failed to do this. They need to
claim on their insurance and sack the driver.

The original company is responsible for delivering the parcel to me.
They failed to do this. It is up to them to reimburse me and claim back
from the driver.

Drivers wouldn't steal if they knew they'd only have one shot until the courier stopped hiring them ?

Plausible deniability. He swears blind it wasn't him, but he is still negligent., He needs to get sacked . But he can sell the package on ebay
for £150 whicjh is probbaly what he makes in two days parcelling

In the absence of documentary proof (e.g. a video) is it not as likely someone* was tailing the driver, looking for the opportunity ?

Not really. Look a bit suspicious, and how would they know that we would
fail to turn in to my drive or put the parcel on my property

*Who may or may not be working in concert with a driver who suggests
likely looking deliveries. Which then rather removes the need to tail the
van ?

Comes to the same thing in the end. The driver is at best criminally
negligent, and at worse a thief. And I would not be surprised if someone
at Evri control is involved too. The complete absence of communication
is suspicious

The only thing you can do is order with a credit card and invoke S75. Although some debit card providers are quite helpful with recharging.

Oh no need for that. The company that supplied the goods is responsible
for delivering them to me. This they have failed to do. They are liable.

I'll keep you updated.
On another note, Aliexpress seller sold me two bits of electrical stuff.
One caught fire on switch on. I sent one back and kept the other. They
refunded the whole order amount.
Second one is way outside its claimed specifications, but still useful...


--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."

George Santayana

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On 26/07/2025 18:22, Smolley wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:49:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

A week a ago I ordered something. Value couple of hundred.
I got an email acknowledging receipt of order. That was the last I heard
of it from the company.

a n hour or so I decided to check and see what had happened, and theis
website showed me that te order had been given to Evri, with a tracking
number. No email had been sent

Evris website said it had in fact been delivered *two hours or so
earlier* with a photo of it in the road verge *outside* my house.

Of course when I went to look, it wasn't there.

Evri driver didn't bring it into my property.
Evri driver didn't ring my doorbell.
Evri driver lied about where they put it.
Evri driver didn't text me/
Evri driver didn't email me.
Did some random person come along a quite country road on a saturday
afternoon and steal it?

Unlikely.

Evri driver did.

Beware.

Tell the supplier that it was not delivered, their responsibility.

Have done.

Some years ago Amazon threw a parcel into the garden where I didn't
discover it until long after I had got a replacement pair of items.

Courier drivers are underpaid cunts for the most part. In the end
however people wont use services that ned up costing them money. Used to
run a box shifting operation some years ago. We tried everyone and
settled on the one that delivered parcels when it said it would in a
proper condition.

Ok so the customer paid 50p more on a £70 and up parcel. So what?


--
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

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On 7/26/2025 5:49 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

A week a ago I ordered something. Value couple of hundred.
I got an email acknowledging receipt of order. That was the last I heard
of it from the company.

a n hour or so I decided to check and see what had happened, and theis website showed me that te order had been given to Evri, with a tracking number. No email had been sent

Evris website said it had in fact been delivered *two hours or so
earlier* with a photo of it in the road verge *outside* my house.

Of course when I went to look, it wasn't there.

Evri driver didn't bring it into my property.
Evri driver didn't ring my doorbell.
Evri driver lied about where they put it.
Evri driver didn't text me/
Evri driver didn't email me.
Did some random person come along a quite country road on a saturday afternoon and steal it?

Unlikely.

Evri driver did.

Beware.

Some Evri drivers are simply incompetent.

Over the past few weeks, four items addressed to us,have been delivered
to the property across the road from us. The first parcel arrived while
the owners were not in residence. It was found in a room in an
unoccupied cottage near the main house, used for storage. The owner
found it when he went to fetch something. The driver had found an
unlocked window, and shoved the parcel in. The next one was left outside
the door of the main house.

For the next two, the driver walked through the front door and left the packages in the house. The owners were home, but the bell wasn't rung,
nobody knocked on the door, or called out. There were two gardeners
outside, but he ignored them, and they didn't know it was Evri, as there
was no name on the vehicle.
The driver also failed, twice! during this period, to pick up an item
which was being returned - no call, no message, no email.

This is a very rural area, with only one road into and out of the
village. Both our properties have big, easy to read signs giving the
house name. Theirs is the first house on the right, ours is the first
one on the left,a bit farther north. This information is included in the address box for our orders.

We did eventually get all our packages.

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:49:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

A week a ago I ordered something. Value couple of hundred.
I got an email acknowledging receipt of order. That was the last I heard
of it from the company.

a n hour or so I decided to check and see what had happened, and theis >website showed me that te order had been given to Evri, with a tracking >number. No email had been sent

Evris website said it had in fact been delivered *two hours or so
earlier* with a photo of it in the road verge *outside* my house.

Of course when I went to look, it wasn't there.

Evri driver didn't bring it into my property.
Evri driver didn't ring my doorbell.
Evri driver lied about where they put it.
Evri driver didn't text me/
Evri driver didn't email me.
Did some random person come along a quite country road on a saturday >afternoon and steal it?

Unlikely.

Evri driver did.

Beware.

If it's small enough to slip through my letterbox I order it to be
delivered to my house. If it's too big for that then I order using
"Click & Collect." So far, so good......

Nick

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On 26/07/2025 18:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 26/07/2025 18:22, Smolley wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:49:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

A week a ago I ordered something. Value couple of hundred.
I got an email acknowledging receipt of order. That was the last I heard >>> of it from the company.

a n hour or so I decided to check and see what had happened, and theis
website showed me that te order had been given to Evri, with a tracking
number. No email had been sent

Evris website said it had in fact been delivered *two hours or so
earlier* with a photo of it in the road verge *outside* my house.

Of course when I went to look, it wasn't there.

Evri driver didn't bring it into my property.
Evri driver didn't ring my doorbell.
Evri driver lied about where they put it.
Evri driver didn't text me/
Evri driver didn't email me.
Did some random person come along a quite country road on a saturday
afternoon and steal it?

Unlikely.

Evri driver did.

Beware.

Tell the supplier that it was not delivered, their responsibility.

Have done.

Some years ago Amazon threw a parcel into the garden where I didn't
discover it until long after I had got a replacement pair of items.

Courier drivers are underpaid cunts for the most part. In the end
however people wont use services that ned up costing them money. Used to
run a box shifting operation some years ago. We tried everyone and
settled on the one that delivered parcels when it said it would in a
proper condition.

Ok so the customer paid 50p more on a £70 and up parcel. So what?

Maybe you just live in a location where the pittance that the
delivery guy gets, makes them cut corners to complete their
round.

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:49:05 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

A week a ago I ordered something. Value couple of hundred.
I got an email acknowledging receipt of order. That was the last I
heard of it from the company.

a n hour or so I decided to check and see what had happened, and
theis website showed me that te order had been given to Evri, with a
tracking number. No email had been sent

Evris website said it had in fact been delivered *two hours or so
earlier* with a photo of it in the road verge *outside* my house.

Of course when I went to look, it wasn't there.

Evri driver didn't bring it into my property.
Evri driver didn't ring my doorbell.
Evri driver lied about where they put it.
Evri driver didn't text me/
Evri driver didn't email me.
Did some random person come along a quite country road on a saturday afternoon and steal it?

Unlikely.

Evri driver did.

Beware.

As I have mentioned before, here Evri are the best of the couriers. it
all depends on the driver. We are lucky, the previous driver was
excellent, now he has retired to the warehouse, his replacement is
just as good.
Now, as for FedEx, worse then useless, and that's their depots and
systems. They once left a box of frozen meat outside my front door,
destined for a house of the same name but in the next village, and
certainly with a different Postcode. The local driver is good, but he
is the exception.
And I recently had Amazon deliver a thin-ish package, I was 6 feet
from the front door, the driver never knocked, just shoved the package
through the letter box, where it got jammed. His delivery report said
"Handed to customer".

It's a crap-shoot.

--
Davey.

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On 27/07/2025 10:36, Andrew wrote:

On 26/07/2025 18:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 26/07/2025 18:22, Smolley wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:49:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

A week a ago I ordered something. Value couple of hundred.
I got an email acknowledging receipt of order. That was the last I
heard
of it from the company.

a n hour or so I decided to check and see what had happened, and theis >>>> website showed me that te order had been given to Evri, with a tracking >>>> number. No email had been sent

Evris website said it had in fact been delivered *two hours or so
earlier* with a photo of it in the road verge *outside* my house.

Of course when I went to look, it wasn't there.

Evri driver didn't bring it into my property.
Evri driver didn't ring my doorbell.
Evri driver lied about where they put it.
Evri driver didn't text me/
Evri driver didn't email me.
Did some random person come along a quite country road on a saturday
afternoon and steal it?

Unlikely.

Evri driver did.

Beware.

Tell the supplier that it was not delivered, their responsibility.

Have done.

Some years ago Amazon threw a parcel into the garden where I didn't
discover it until long after I had got a replacement pair of items.

Courier drivers are underpaid cunts for the most part. In the end
however people wont use services that ned up costing them money. Used
to run a box shifting operation some years ago. We tried everyone and
settled on the one that delivered parcels when it said it would in a
proper condition.

Ok so the customer paid 50p more on a £70 and up parcel. So what?

Maybe you just live in a location where the pittance that the
delivery guy gets, makes them cut corners to complete their
round.

The really odd thing is that I had an Evri delivery (from Ali express) a
couple of days earlier and the guy put it in a sane place and emailed me
a pictiure , and so did Ali Express.

In this case I have had no communication from Evri or the sender to say
that the parcel was in fact delivered.

I had to look on Evris site to see a photo of where they (said they)
left it.

It's all very peculiar

--
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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On 26/07/2025 22:37, Nick Odell wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:49:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

A week a ago I ordered something. Value couple of hundred.
I got an email acknowledging receipt of order. That was the last I heard
of it from the company.

a n hour or so I decided to check and see what had happened, and theis
website showed me that te order had been given to Evri, with a tracking
number. No email had been sent

Evris website said it had in fact been delivered *two hours or so
earlier* with a photo of it in the road verge *outside* my house.

Of course when I went to look, it wasn't there.

Evri driver didn't bring it into my property.
Evri driver didn't ring my doorbell.
Evri driver lied about where they put it.
Evri driver didn't text me/
Evri driver didn't email me.
Did some random person come along a quite country road on a saturday
afternoon and steal it?

Unlikely.

Evri driver did.

Beware.

If it's small enough to slip through my letterbox I order it to be
delivered to my house. If it's too big for that then I order using
"Click & Collect." So far, so good......

The strange thing is that most dricers now shove it in fromt of te door,
take a [oictire, ring the bell and bugger off.
Then email to say it is delivered.

This one didn't do any of those things - just took a photo which is on
evris website, but was never emailed at all,

Nick

--
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

Frédéric Bastiat

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On 27/07/2025 12:00, Davey wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:49:05 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

A week a ago I ordered something. Value couple of hundred.
I got an email acknowledging receipt of order. That was the last I
heard of it from the company.

a n hour or so I decided to check and see what had happened, and
theis website showed me that te order had been given to Evri, with a
tracking number. No email had been sent

Evris website said it had in fact been delivered *two hours or so
earlier* with a photo of it in the road verge *outside* my house.

Of course when I went to look, it wasn't there.

Evri driver didn't bring it into my property.
Evri driver didn't ring my doorbell.
Evri driver lied about where they put it.
Evri driver didn't text me/
Evri driver didn't email me.
Did some random person come along a quite country road on a saturday
afternoon and steal it?

Unlikely.

Evri driver did.

Beware.

As I have mentioned before, here Evri are the best of the couriers. it
all depends on the driver. We are lucky, the previous driver was
excellent, now he has retired to the warehouse, his replacement is
just as good.
Now, as for FedEx, worse then useless, and that's their depots and
systems. They once left a box of frozen meat outside my front door,
destined for a house of the same name but in the next village, and
certainly with a different Postcode. The local driver is good, but he
is the exception.
And I recently had Amazon deliver a thin-ish package, I was 6 feet
from the front door, the driver never knocked, just shoved the package through the letter box, where it got jammed. His delivery report said
"Handed to customer".

It's a crap-shoot.

All depends on the driver. Round here Royal Mail is solid . Most amazon
stuff gets here but have had a couple of smashed items

But what is bothering me, perhaps needlessly, is the difference between
this and a normal Evri delivery.


--
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

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On 27/07/2025 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The strange thing is that most dricers now shove it in fromt of te door,
take a [oictire, ring the bell and bugger off.
Then email to say it is delivered.

This one didn't do any of those things - just took a photo which is on
evris website, but was never emailed at all,

Someone in our village got CCTV of the driver (don't recall which
company) walking up to the door, putting the parcel down, taking a
photo, then picking it up and walking away.

Andy

--
Do not listen to rumour, but, if you do, do not believe it.
Ghandi.

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Posted on my local FB

Amazon delivery driver in xxx just tried to steal my parcels 😡. Good job I've got a camera doorbell. Saw him at the end of my garden take a
picture of box then walk off with it.. managed to get to his van before
he pulled off. He had my box on his lap and women next to him had my
other parcel. Managed to get both box's off them. Both of them tried to
make out didn't speak English 😡 didn't manage to get reg of van. Been reported to amazon

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 20:42:58 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

The driver also failed, twice! during this period, to pick up an item
which was being returned - no call, no message, no email.

In times of stress, when they are busy, Evri tell their drivers not to
bother with the collections and I have had problems on that score. And
if you try to contact Evri to find out when the collection will be
made you first have to wait a long time on the phone to be answered
and then they can't tell you.
Local Evri droivers have been very reliable with deliveries.

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On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 18:53:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

The original company is responsible for delivering the parcel to me.
They failed to do this. It is up to them to reimburse me and claim back
from the driver.

The original company won't have had a contract with the driver.

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On 28/07/2025 17:25, Peter Johnson wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 20:42:58 +0100, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

The driver also failed, twice! during this period, to pick up an item
which was being returned - no call, no message, no email.

In times of stress, when they are busy, Evri tell their drivers not to
bother with the collections and I have had problems on that score. And
if you try to contact Evri to find out when the collection will be
made you first have to wait a long time on the phone to be answered
and then they can't tell you.
Local Evri droivers have been very reliable with deliveries.

I've never had a problem before with evri

--
“A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
“We did this ourselves.”

― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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